Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Rie Sonomura]

I'm just saying it's been a while and there may be a small, dying chance of him changing his mind since then.

At the very least, I think he could of pointed out in Sephiroth's showcase that we were at the halfway point before Ultimate is finished, but he didn't say anything about it.

Didn’t say it in the famitsu column for him either which is where the initial “development is ending” claim originated

 

[N3ON]

I'm just saying it's been a while and there may be a small, dying chance of him changing his mind since then.

At the very least, I think he could of pointed out in Sephiroth's showcase that we were at the halfway point before Ultimate finishes development but he didn't say anything about it.

Yeah, there's a small chance. Small being the operative word that people are kind of glossing over.

But the signs and statements as of now point to that not being the case. So idealism is kind of obscuring reality, as it often does. Sure the characters are making tons of money, and there's room for more, but that in and of itself doesn't always prompt Nintendo to provide additional content, and shouldn't be taken above actual things said by Sakurai.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Only way FP3 is happening is if we get a New Director, or we get a Second Smash Ballot. And I'm confident neither of these will happen.

 

[ForsakenM]

Pokemon has a better chance than Geno at least

I like how you have to make things targeted and personal when I'm simply stating the obvious based on facts that have been gathered.

Imagine hating on characters that people want in 2021, it's honestly such a weak mindset. Also, you are just wrong in general, but I digress...

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For those of you thinking there is no third pass, become open-minded for a moment if you can, and think about these three things:

1. President Furakawa in their most recent meeting talked about how crazy big their profits were from DLC in 2020, mostly from Sw/Sh (once again, gross) and Smash. Logically speaking, you can attribute big Smash sales to Pass 2. He then states they plan on expanding more into this in the future, which doesn't give a time frame and could mean near or distant future or both. I actually have the link to the document that lists these things and I was trying to just pull quotes for you guys but I'm running out of time before work so I'll just link the document here.
   
   
2. Sakurai's statement of Pass 2 being the last of the DLC was in Min Min's Famitsu article, which of course was before Steve. Since his language in that article makes it seem as though the first two passes had all 11 characters chosen well in advance and thus before the massive sales results, it's very well within the realm of possibility that Sakurai could have been reached out to for more DLC after Steve's massive success, or possibly earlier and Sakurai wasn't allowed to talk about it yet or it wasn't concrete yet.
   
   
3. Nintendo has being doing a lot of things other companies have been doing lately, for better or worse, and the new thing with fighting games is passes for more DLC for the same game that go on and on and on. Tekken 7 just announced more DLC as well as Samurai Showdown and just a bit before that Street Fighter 5. Nintendo now understands the profits to be made form DLC, and the Switch has only just hit the middle of it's life cycle, so the opportunity to make more Smash passes is ripe for the picking and Smash always generates the hype and, by the looks of it, the cash money as not only is DLC raking it in but Smash has placed itself as the third-best-selling Switch title over games like Sw/Sh, BotW and Odyssey.

So with all of this in mind, what ACTUAL arguments do you guys have against the overwhelming evidence that we will continue to get more Smash DLC? Keep in mind, this doesn't even factor in that we have only two character slots left for Pass 2 but that credible insiders have heard legitimate things about more than just two characters. I want to have a serious discussion, so I hope to see some good points brought up when I get off work, but honestly the side of 'no more dlc' is a very weak stance to have with little supporting evidence.

The dude was joking

He literally said " I say this facetiously of course"

I'm glad that my joke paid off already. I specifically worded it as such to see if people would wonder if it was the Pokemon in Smash or the Pass 3 that I was joking about.

Clearly, it was the Pokemon, as it has no evidence behind it.

Oh hey, I think it was that Peripuff guy who wanted the source on Furakawa. Here you go bud!

 

[Michele]

Hi there, so this thread is where peoples talk these days, no? I'm back for now.

About the remakes, well I will say that they look fine enough for me. But I find the complaining a bit... Laughable, how should I say it? Peoples wanted DP remakes, but they are suddenly complaining. It is almost like they're never ever satisfied. Are they relatable to Sonic fanbase?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

What makes you so sure Crash won't be in?

Given Pass 2 seems to based on content that was left out of Base game. ARMS and Xenoblade 2 notably that was too late. Talks of Steve being in Base game and negotiated for 5 years, Sephiroth getting in was likely under the condition for Cloud to get in who almost didn't return.

 

[JOJONumber691]

What makes you so sure Crash won't be in?

Activision being Western and Greedy ontop of them not having the extremely good relations of Microsoft, Ubisoft, or heck, even Tencent.

 

[Louie G.]

God these conversations are already stale lmao, here's hoping the Pyra presentation provides something to shake things up a little further.

Pyra's addition was surprising particularly because she wasn't with Rex, but otherwise speculation remains pretty similar to what it already was. She provides a little more evidence toward these ideas having foundation early on / soon after base game, which (for now) helps clue us in a little further toward how and when these decisions may have been made, but there's only so much to go from there.

I can only talk about why or why not Crash is likely and why Monster Hunter makes infinite amounts of sense so many times. It seems many people have an unspoken understanding that lot of the smaller / dark horse picks are out of the picture too, so we're drawing toward a very repetitive and limited batch of conversations up until at least the next character.

 

[Perkilator]

Activision being Western and Greedy ontop of them not having the extremely good relations of Microsoft, Ubisoft, or heck, even Tencent.

You're clearly not in the loop, because Nintendo has great relations with Activision. They were playfully teasing the announcement of the TH 1+2 Switch pot earlier this week on Twitter.

 

[N3ON]

God these conversations are already stale lmao, here's hoping the Pyra presentation provides something to shake things up a little further.

I think you know as well as I do that we're going to be debating more characters arriving until the bitter end. And I use that adjective advisedly.

"But what if there's more?" is a constant of every Smash conversation since Smash conversations became a thing.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Activision being Western and Greedy ontop of them not having the extremely good relations of Microsoft, Ubisoft, or heck, even Tencent.

I agree with Greedy. But Activision and Nintendo seem to be on great terms. With all these ports and that Skylanders crossover back on the Wii U.
Edit: Damn you Ninjas!

 

[ForsakenM]

Given Pass 2 seems to based on content that was left out of Base game. ARMS and Xenoblade 2 notably that was too late. Talks of Steve being in Base game and negotiated for 5 years, Sephiroth getting in was likely under the condition for Cloud to get in who almost didn't return.

My friend group also thinks that this pass is very much a 2018-early 2019 thing, being dedicated to characters who got cucked around that time.

Pyra and Mythra are a huge example of this, as the hype around them died in 2018 but was strong enough to get them a character later on.

In a way, this is a fan pick, just heavily delayed to the point where most people don't care anymore. XD

 

[Michele]

I think you know as well as I do that we're going to be debating more characters arriving until the bitter end. And I use that adjective advisedly.

"But what if there's more?" is a constant of every Smash conversation since Smash conversations became a thing.

By debating, do you mean like the debate about her being 'yet another anime sword person'? I mean, I've seen it enough when Pyra was revealed... sure, the game where she came from is anime-like but least it's not some generic guy, oh gosh... At least she brings interesting things to table through the help of Mythra

 

[Michael the Spikester]

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Mario Kart 8 Deluxe tho.

 

[N3ON]

By debating, do you mean like the debate about her being 'yet another anime sword person'? I mean, I've seen it enough when Pyra was revealed... sure, the game where she came from is anime-like but least it's not some generic guy, oh gosh... At least she brings interesting things to table through the help of Mythra

I wasn't talking about Pyra and Mythra at all but they obviously do fit the criteria for "anime sword-wielders", for those that make those complaints.

 

[Goombaic]

So with all of this in mind, what ACTUAL arguments do you guys have against the overwhelming evidence that we will continue to get more Smash DLC?

That Sakurai said so? How you bended that into being an argument for an FP3 is weird. Feel like the main point anyway is that talking about FP3 is pointless when we don't know if there even will be one yet. Just wait and see what happens.

Imagine hating on characters that people want in 2021, it's honestly such a weak mindset.

Clearly, it was the Pokemon, as it has no evidence behind it.

I find the irony extremely amusing.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I've said this before, but I feel like the last few newcomers could be virtually any character who is moderately well-known at this point.

After Sephiroth and Pyra/Mythra, I truly don't know what to expect from the DLC anymore.

 

[JOJONumber691]

You're clearly not in the loop, because Nintendo has great relations with Activision. They were playfully teasing the announcement of the TH 1+2 Switch pot earlier this week on Twitter.

Of the Pot. Okay, and that's just two Twitter Interns having fun, have these two had any collabs where either of them developed a game from a series owned by the other? Because last I checked, Ubisoft developed Mario + Rabbids and what may as well be Star Fox in Starlink. Tencent is developing Unite ontop of being the Switch's Publisher in China. And Microsoft has Minecraft, which got a Mario Mash-Up Pack, which gave them both an extremely good relationship with each other, alongside how there were probably talks at one point of putting Rare Games on the Wii U Virtual Console in Japan. And what happened between Activision and Nintendo? Skylanders having DK and Bowser 5 years ago? Give me a Break!

 

[Michael the Spikester]

At most I'm expecting a Capcom rep being either Monster Hunter (Rise incarnations) or Chun-Li.

Only because of the armor set of Monster Hunter Miis.

 

[Wademan94]

Lucas/Dawn in BDSP walking around the overworld like:

 

[Dinoman96]

TBH I think the Mario Kart thing was just because the core development team was working on ARMS at the time, which is why they put out Mario Kart 8 Deluxe with a few new additions as a stand in for a new MK game. And then when ARMS was done, they got set to work on the mobile game.

 

[JOJONumber691]

TBH I think the Mario Kart thing was just because the core development team was working on ARMS at the time, which is why they put out Mario Kart 8 Deluxe with a few new additions as a stand in for a new MK game. And then when ARMS was done, they got set to work on the mobile game.

Tour is 9 deal with it!

 

[Wademan94]

Tour is 9 deal with it!

Then let’s get 10 on the Switch

 

[Speed Weed]

It's not gonna be one of these lol.

.....Kinda rude, but okay

 

[Perkilator]

And what happened between Activision and Nintendo? Skylanders having DK and Bowser 5 years ago? Give me a Break!

Switch ports of the N. Sane Trilogy, Nitro Fueled, the Reignited Trilogy, It's About Time and, like I mentioned earlier, Tony Hawk 1+2.

 

[Pillow]

Pokemon Reaction:
D/P remakes look like **** to me. Why bother remaking a classic game if you’re not even going to bother making it look good? Isn’t that the entire purpose?

Snap: looks great, I’m excited. It’s nice to see a pokemon game that isn’t being murdered by having to adhere to the strict schedule of yearly anime and merchandise releases.

Arceus: I’m tentatively hopeful. I like that GF seems willing to try new things, but god does this game look rough and I have doubts that a year of further development will be enough time to fix it.


I don’t think any of these reveals will have any impact on Smash. I’d welcome Decidueye with open arms since I think it’s a cool pokemon, but this direct just made me think that we’re not getting any more pokemon content in FP2.

 

[SharkLord]

Feels like some people are getting tired of discussing only the frontrunners.

Okay then, how about this: Let's talk Kiryu. Yakuza's gotten pretty big and I've been on a Yakuza music fix lately. Yeah, yeah, there's that thing about "Kazuma Kiryu respects women," but wasn't there an interview about how the director would be open to Kiryu in Smash but didn't think Sakurai wanted him? I think we can say the statement about fighting games doesn't apply to Smash.

So yeah. Let's talk about a possible SSBU X Yakuza.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Late but, I want FP3 just so the speculation train will go on for another year or so. It's been a wild ride, I don't really want Ultimate to end lol

 

[TheCJBrine]

To be fair, Sakurai said they had no plans on an FP3, not that there wouldn't be, and he said this before FP2 characters started releasing iirc. So, they could make more plans during FP2, just as they did for FP2 during FP1.

Of course, there's nothing suggesting they'll actually have an FP3, so it's not a sure-thing either. Nintendo may be happy with all the money coming from the DLC, but that doesn't mean they'll push Sakurai further on; they may be satisfied with what they've achieved and end the DLC there.

Personally, while I'd like an FP3 and more characters, I wouldn't mind this being the end of the road; all the bickering and speculation and stuff is tiring, I really should've taken a break from it all tbh. The hype cycle isn't all that nice, it's just fun getting hyped/happy over stuff you like and seeing others happy too, but with it also comes the negative stuff; not the cool and reasonably disappointed people, of course, disappointment is always fine and being skeptical about some things can be good. I also let my stubborn side get involved in silly arguing, even if I still tried to stay respectful and never used rude words although I was heated sometimes, so that didn't help...

 

[N3ON]

At most I'm expecting a Capcom rep being either Monster Hunter (Rise incarnations) or Chun-Li.

Only because of the armor set of Monster Hunter Miis.

Alternatively, we might not even get a Capcom character.

 

[Technomage]

Activision being Western and Greedy ontop of them not having the extremely good relations of Microsoft, Ubisoft, or heck, even Tencent.

Plus, Crash seems to be a mainly Sony franchise, and Japan has pretty much stopped dealing with Sony.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Switch ports of the N. Sane Trilogy, Nitro Fueled, the Reignited Trilogy, It's About Time and, like I mentioned earlier, Tony Hawk 1+2.

Okay, Switch Ports isn't even something that gets you a relationship enough for you to get into Smash when you're also Western and Notorious for your own Greed. If we get a Crash Game by Nintendo, or a Mario Game from Activision, then I'll Change my mind. But for now, I just can't see Crash happening.

 

[Pillow]

Feels like some people are getting tired of discussing only the frontrunners.

Okay then, how about this: Let's talk Kiryu. Yakuza's gotten pretty big and I've been on a Yakuza music fix lately. Yeah, yeah, there's that thing about "Kazuma Kiryu respects women," but wasn't there an interview about how the director would be open to Kiryu in Smash but didn't think Sakurai wanted him? I think we can say the statement about fighting games doesn't apply to Smash.

So yeah. Let's talk about a possible SSBU X Yakuza.

I can’t even imagine how amazing the Kamurocho stage will look if Kiryu gets in. And I’m curious to see how Sakurai would incorporate my favorite, Goro Majima, since sitting in the stage background doing nothing doesn’t really seem like a Majima thing to do.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Alternatively, we might not even get a Capcom character.

If the returning Sm4sh Miis are hints who the last two fighters could be? Who could fit Monster Hunter (Rathalos armor and the other) then?

 

[Perkilator]

Okay, Switch Ports isn't even something that gets you a relationship enough for you to get into Smash when you're also Western and Notorious for your own Greed. If we get a Crash Game by Nintendo, or a Mario Game from Activision, then I'll Change my mind. But for now, I just can't see Crash happening.

Okay, then. If you're that adamant about Crash not happening, then what BS do you have about the others I listed?

 

[RileyXY1]

If the returning Sm4sh Miis are hints who the last two fighters could be? Who could fit Monster Hunter (Rathalos armor and the other) then?

Unless they release the Monster Hunter costumes separately we're gonna get another fighter who doesn't come with any returning costumes.

 

[JOJONumber691]

If the returning Sm4sh Miis are hints who the last two fighters could be? Who could fit Monster Hunter (Rathalos armor and the other) then?

Monster Hunter Rise are the same month as Pyra/Mythra, so them and Lloyd are probably both coming back so rip to both.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

Curious approach by Pokémon Company, instead of doing remakes of previous gen with features from recent ones (like Fire Red/Leaf Green, Heat Gold/Soul Silver and Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire) they go for a 1:1 (almost?) remake with Diamond/Pearl. I think they will save Platinum content for DLC next year. Their heavy work went to this new concept of Pokémon Legends, that it may work (it looked a bit roughed though, but it will release in at least 1 year later, so they have time to polished it and its likely a showcase for next Switch iteration). In addition, I can see them doing another 1:1 remake for Heat Gold/Soul Silver (for 2023). There are the most popular remakes and people really praised them.

 

[Michele]

Pokemon Reaction:
D/P remakes look like **** to me. Why bother remaking a classic game if you’re not even going to bother making it look good? Isn’t that the entire purpose?

Snap: looks great, I’m excited. It’s nice to see a pokemon game that isn’t being murdered by having to adhere to the strict schedule of yearly anime and merchandise releases.

Arceus: I’m tentatively hopeful. I like that GF seems willing to try new things, but god does this game look rough and I have doubts that a year of further development will be enough time to fix it.


I don’t think any of these reveals will have any impact on Smash. I’d welcome Decidueye with open arms since I think it’s a cool pokemon, but this direct just made me think that we’re not getting any more pokemon content in FP2.

At least the dev team for D/P is more different. If it was just Gamefreak they would've changed the art style, potentially making it jarring for others peoples and making it worse. Would you have rather a different style? AND I think the artstyle helps attract younger audience. But I can see why it would be bad for some peoples. Maybe it might grow on you. Maybe not. Just my personal opinion.

I mean, regarding that open world game it looks like we still have a year to go by, so I hope they improve some things a bit.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Okay, then. If you're that adamant about Crash not happening, then what BS do you have about the others I listed?

Okay then, if you think Crash is Inevitable, then what's your BS to back it up then?