Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Michael the Spikester]

Monster Hunter Rise are the same month as Pyra/Mythra, so them and Lloyd are probably both coming back so rip to both.

I would honestly think it'd be Lloyd coming with them due to being a dual sword user as Pyra and Mythra are duo blades for Rex and the fact Xenosaga has a connection to Xenoblade being KOS-MOS is a hidden blade and Tales and Xenosaga being Namco.

There is also a good chance both Lloyd and Monster Hunter could both be in the next round of Miis.

 

[Brother AJ]

Given Pass 2 seems to based on content that was left out of Base game. ARMS and Xenoblade 2 notably that was too late. Talks of Steve being in Base game and negotiated for 5 years, Sephiroth getting in was likely under the condition for Cloud to get in who almost didn't return.

Yea, I still don't understand this thinking. I have seen literally nothing that has confirmed Steve might have been in base game. Just because they're returning to old ideas in no way indicates that this is ALL they're going to do with this pass, as I've said before.

Activision being Western and Greedy ontop of them not having the extremely good relations of Microsoft, Ubisoft, or heck, even Tencent.

I mean... aren't all corporations greedy when you get down to it? They pretty much have to be to exist. Either way, a "greedy" company should really jump at the chance at getting the amazing publicity of Crash in Smash.

As for their relationship with Nintendo, you can't just ignore the constant stream of ports we've been getting. Crash 4 is even getting a special art style to make up for the Switch's lack of power, which Activision did NOT have to do.

Furthermore, you may balk at the Skylanders colab being 5 years ago, but it was still very significant. Plus, that really isn't that long ago. Steve's negotiation started around 5 years ago in case you forgot.

 

[JOJONumber691]

I would honestly think it'd be Lloyd coming with them due to being a dual sword user as Pyra and Mythra are duo blades for Rex and the fact Xenosaga has a connection to Xenoblade being KOS-MOS is a hidden blade and Tales and Xenosaga being Namco.

There is also a good chance both Lloyd and Monster Hunter could both be in the next round of Miis.

I'm thinking both will come with Pyra and Mythra. I just think the timing's perfect for them at the moment.

 

[N3ON]

If the returning Sm4sh Miis are hints who the last two fighters could be? Who could fit Monster Hunter (Rathalos armor and the other) then?

If you see all the Miis as hints you're clearly only looking at select cases.

The MH costumes can show up whenever. With a character that has some relation to them, or without.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Yea, I still don't understand this thinking. I have seen literally nothing that has confirmed Steve might have been in base game. Just because they're returning to old ideas in no way indicates that this is ALL they're going to do with this pass, as I've said before.

As mentioned. Steve had been negotiated for five years, this does certainly suggests he was at some point planned for Base game and even Pass 1.

 

[Brother AJ]

As mentioned. Steve had been negotiated for five years, this does certainly suggests he was at some point planned for Base game and even Pass 1.

Even if we KNEW Steve was supposed to be in base game and they didn't want to save him for later, again, that doesn't mean that's all they're going to do with this pass

 

[N3ON]

You just know one or both of the last two characters is going to be someone who has absolutely no discernable ties to base game content and will prompt some Olympics level mental gymnastics.

"Well they were probably planned for base" being the standard routine.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Yea, I still don't understand the thinking. I have seen literally nothing that has confirmed Steve might have been in base game. Just because they're returning to old ideas in no way indicates that this is ALL they're going to do with this pass, as I've said before.


I mean... aren't all corporations greedy when you get down to it? They pretty much have to be to exist. Either way, a "greedy" company should really jump at the chance at getting the amazing publicity of Crash in Smash.

As for their relationship with Nintendo, you can't just ignore the constant stream of ports weve been getting. Crash 4 is even getting a special art style to make up for the Switch's lack of power, which Activision did NOT have to do.

Furthermore, you may balk at the Skylanders colab being 5 years ago, but it was still very significant. Plus, that really isn't that long ago. Steve's negotiation started around 5 years ago in case you forgot.

Yeah, but one is the Biggest Game of all time, while the other was a dying Franchise with nothing else since that collab and a couple of Switch Ports? Also, Activision overcharged for Crash back in PlayStation All-Stars, with him being $1,000,000. Imagine that Licensing for an Entire Challenger Pack, Characters, Stage, Music, and Background Characters. Crash 4 is a notable thing, sure, but that's only one after 5 years, and was just done by the Developers. I hope I'm wrong, but I JUST don't see it happening.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I like Crash but I don't feel very strongly towards him for Smash. I'm content with first parties now. With an exception being Master Chief. I know Smash has gotten much bigger than Nintendo but despite me not even playing or caring about Arms I really appreciated more 1st party.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Even if we KNEW Steve was supposed to be in base game and they didn't want to save him for later, again, that doesn't mean that's all they're going to do with this pass

With two more fighters left to be revealed, I'm honestly thinking otherwise.

 

[Pillow]

At least the dev team for D/P is more different. If it was just Gamefreak they would've changed the art style, potentially making it jarring for others peoples and making it worse. Would you have rather a different style? AND I think the artstyle helps attract younger audience. But I can see why it would be bad for some peoples. Maybe it might grow on you. Maybe not. Just my personal opinion.

I mean, regarding that open world game it looks like we still have a year to go by, so I hope they improve some things a bit.

I don’t have an affinity for any particular art style. Either something looks good to me, or it doesn’t, and this doesn’t. If you like it, then that’s great.

 

[Technomage]

I know that this isn't a real rule, but how likely do you all think Sakurai would be to add playable roster fighter versions of Assist Trophy characters? I personally don't have much hope for that, since Sakurai didn't make Springman the playable ARMS rep.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I know that this isn't a real rule, but how likely do you all think Sakurai would be to add playable roster fighter versions of Assist Trophy characters? I personally don't have much hope for that, since Sakurai didn't make Springman the playable ARMS rep.

Nor Rex for that matter. That there I think was the death blow for promoted assists and Miis.

 

[SharkLord]

Furthermore, you may balk at the Skylanders colab being 5 years ago, but it was still very significant. Plus, that really isn't that long ago. Steve's negotiation started around 5 years ago in case you forgot.

To be fair, Steve was a special case. A lot of us really did balk at Steve being planned as far back as the base game. A lot of speculation cropped up regarding similar situations, but we haven't gotten any official confirmation for anyone but Steve. It's one of those things we'll only know after the fact.

 

[Golden Icarus]

I know we have multiple reasons to believe that FP3 isn’t happening, but I can’t help thinking that it will.

I know that Nintendo doesn’t operate like most companies, but almost every other fighting game from the past few years have already added 3+ seasons of DLC. MK11, Tekken 7, SFV, DBFZ, etc. And I assure you that none of those games sell as well as Smash does.

Smash is still one of Nintendo’s highest selling games, and its DLC continues to break the internet even two years after Ultimate’s release. I understand that Smash isn’t like most fighting games, but it would be very strange for any fighting game to end DLC this early, especially with no sequel in sight (which is the whole reason Smash 4’s DLC ended). I’m not trying to say that a third fighters pass is likely, just that it would be really really silly to stop after only two.

 

[TheCJBrine]

As mentioned. Steve had been negotiated for five years, this does certainly suggests he was at some point planned for Base game and even Pass 1.

To be fair, it could've just been talks that never came to fruition until FP2, it doesn't necessarily mean he was planned for the basegame. Though, I guess Vergeben helps back that claim if his leaks were based on true stuff (although I think I remember Scoliosis Jones saying something about Vergeben having a bad source with leakbait, and I think there was some dude from Microsoft/Windows who implied Steve was bait or something but I think that was someone Sabi talked too iirc; not sure about the latter).

 

[Michael the Spikester]

To be fair, Steve was a special case. A lot of us really did balk at Steve being planned as far back as the base game. A lot of speculation cropped up regarding similar situations, but we haven't gotten any official confirmation for anyone but Steve. It's one of those things we'll only know after the fact.

And the reason Steve probably didn't make Base was due to technical difficulties at the time given how complex he is.

 

[Dinoman96]

here's a galaxy brain thought

what if anyone who's an assist trophy wouldn't be dlc anyways even if they weren't an at

 

[Technomage]

To be fair, Steve was a special case. A lot of us really did balk at Steve being planned as far back as the base game. A lot of speculation cropped up regarding similar situations, but we haven't gotten any official confirmation for anyone but Steve. It's one of those things we'll only know after the fact.

Actually, I heard that negotiations for Steve started during Smash 4's DLC development.

I know we have multiple reasons to believe that FP3 isn’t happening, but I can’t help thinking that it will.

Yeah, but it could help thinking that it won't, since if you expect the worst-case scenario, you'll never be disappointed by whatever outcome happens.

With that said, while I think there's a small chance of FP3 (based on Sakurai's statements about it), I still wouldn't get my hopes too high up.

 

[SharkLord]

Actually, I heard that negotiations for Steve started during Smash 4's DLC development.

Sorta? He would've been in talks around 2015, which was during Smash 4 DLC. However, that was also the year when SSBU's base game roster was finalized. It kinda blurred together, since they went straight from 4 to Ultimate. Still, if they began talks back then, I think the intent would've been for Ultimate.

 

[N3ON]

To be really fair, we don't know how many characters are in Steve's situation. That's not the kind of stuff they usually tell us.

Sonic and Snake were prior to Brawl. It could be a lot of third-parties are. There could be several in that situation right now, who won't become agreed upon for years, if ever.

And I'm sure there were characters who were in negotiation and talks broke down, who we'll never hear about.

You've got to remember that what we learn is only a small part of the picture, and having the full story would, I'm sure, greatly shake our paradigm.

 

[Ivander]

I know that this isn't a real rule, but how likely do you all think Sakurai would be to add playable roster fighter versions of Assist Trophy characters? I personally don't have much hope for that, since Sakurai didn't make Springman the playable ARMS rep.

Considering Sakurai did look at Spring Man for being the common protagonist pick, I think the possibility is there. Not a high one, but still a possibility.

As for Pass 3 discussion....I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Hey Technomage dont double post. Use the edit button instead.

 

[Technomage]

Hey Technomage dont double post. Use the edit button instead.

Sorry, just expected another person to add a comment. Gotta remember not to expect that, though.

It's just too bad I can't delete my own comments; why's that the case?

 

[SharkLord]

To be really fair, we don't know how many characters are in Steve's situation. That's not the kind of stuff they usually tell us.

Sonic and Snake were prior to Brawl. It could be a lot of third-parties are. There could be several in that situation right now, who won't become agreed upon for years, if ever.

And I'm sure there were characters who were in negotiation and talks broke down, who we'll never hear about.

You've got to remember that what we learn is only a small part of the picture, and having the full story would, I'm sure, greatly shake our paradigm.

So basically, Smash spec is like paleontology

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Sorry, just expected another person to add a comment. Gotta remember not to expect that, though.

It's just too bad I can't delete my own comments; why's that the case?

You can just edit the double post, cut and paste into the post before, and edit the double post to say “oops accidental double post” and report it. They’ll understand if it was an accident.

 

[ForsakenM]

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe tho.

What about it? Yeah its #1 in sales still and likely won't be dethroned, but I never said Smash passed it. I said Smash was #3 and passed other huge games.

So...what is your point?

That Sakurai said so? How you bended that into being an argument for an FP3 is weird. Feel like the main point anyway is that talking about FP3 is pointless when we don't know if there even will be one yet. Just wait and see what happens.


I find the irony extremely amusing.

Sakurai also said he was done with Smash after Melee, and after Brawl. Sakurai used to despise competitive Smash and now he makes changes for it. What is your point here?

In fact, Sakurai has a history of going against his previous statements when Smash is involved, so if anything him saying it was the end of DLC in the past is a neutral point or possibly in favor of more DLC due to his history of going back on things in regards to Smash.

Also, I'm sure you would enjoy the irony, if you understood the concept. If I had followed that statement with 'except for those who want Jonesy, **** all your Fortnite fans!' that would be sweet irony at my hypocrisy...but I didnt say that. All I did was point out that Pokemon has only evidence against getting a DLC character for Smash and make a Smash joke about it, no hate involved.

I have to go into work now, so hopefully you guys can whip up something stronger than unrelated games, already defeated arguments and character assasination when I get back. This may sound arrogant, but I'm serious about wanting a real discussion, as I've yet to have one about this crazy revelation Furakawa has given us.

 

[Shroob]

You just know one or both of the last two characters is going to be someone who has absolutely no discernable ties to base game content and will prompt some Olympics level mental gymnastics.

"Well they were probably planned for base" being the standard routine.

Depends entirely on who gets in tbh.


If say, MonHun somehow survive the Mii Costume wave(s) and the potential Rise Spirit event, people will obviously point to them and say "See?! Base game!"


Likewise, any BIG 3rd party, like Crash, will also, due to the supposed "5 year plan", even if the leak has no discernable way of knowing if it's real or not, if we do get Crash, people will act as if it is.

 

[Golden Icarus]

Yeah, but it could help thinking that it won't, since if you expect the worst of it, you'll never be disappointed by whatever outcome happens.

With that said, while I think there's a small chance of FP3 (based on Sakurai's statements about it), I still wouldn't get my hopes too high up.

Of course, and I’ll find joy whether FP2 is the end or not. I’d be happy knowing that Sakurai was able to complete such an ambitious project, and that he’s able to finally rest, or even move onto his next big project.

I just genuinely believe that a fighter pass 3 makes too much sense. Plus, it makes speculation more fun if I can dream about what a potential FP3 might look like.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Of course, and I’ll find joy whether FP2 is the end or not. I’d be happy knowing that Sakurai was able to complete such an ambitious project, and that he’s able to finally rest, or even move onto his next big project.

I just genuinely believe that a fighter pass 3 makes too much sense. Plus, it makes speculation more fun if I can dream about what a potential FP3 might look like.

If we get an FP 3, Pokemon Legends, Ring Fit, and Astral Chain are ABSOLUTELY getting Fighters.

 

[Technomage]

Of course, and I’ll find joy whether FP2 is the end or not. I’d be happy knowing that Sakurai was able to complete such an ambitious project, and that he’s able to finally rest, or even move onto his next big project.

I just genuinely believe that a fighter pass 3 makes too much sense. Plus, it makes speculation more fun if I can dream about what a potential FP3 might look like.

Yeah, while Sakurai is likely to stop working on Ultimate after FP2, that doesn't mean he can't get someone else to take over for him afterwards.

 

[7NATOR]

I like how you have to make things targeted and personal when I'm simply stating the obvious based on facts that have been gathered.

Imagine hating on characters that people want in 2021, it's honestly such a weak mindset. Also, you are just wrong in general, but I digress...

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For those of you thinking there is no third pass, become open-minded for a moment if you can, and think about these three things:

1. President Furakawa in their most recent meeting talked about how crazy big their profits were from DLC in 2020, mostly from Sw/Sh (once again, gross) and Smash. Logically speaking, you can attribute big Smash sales to Pass 2. He then states they plan on expanding more into this in the future, which doesn't give a time frame and could mean near or distant future or both. I actually have the link to the document that lists these things and I was trying to just pull quotes for you guys but I'm running out of time before work so I'll just link the document here.
   
   
2. Sakurai's statement of Pass 2 being the last of the DLC was in Min Min's Famitsu article, which of course was before Steve. Since his language in that article makes it seem as though the first two passes had all 11 characters chosen well in advance and thus before the massive sales results, it's very well within the realm of possibility that Sakurai could have been reached out to for more DLC after Steve's massive success, or possibly earlier and Sakurai wasn't allowed to talk about it yet or it wasn't concrete yet.
   
   
3. Nintendo has being doing a lot of things other companies have been doing lately, for better or worse, and the new thing with fighting games is passes for more DLC for the same game that go on and on and on. Tekken 7 just announced more DLC as well as Samurai Showdown and just a bit before that Street Fighter 5. Nintendo now understands the profits to be made form DLC, and the Switch has only just hit the middle of it's life cycle, so the opportunity to make more Smash passes is ripe for the picking and Smash always generates the hype and, by the looks of it, the cash money as not only is DLC raking it in but Smash has placed itself as the third-best-selling Switch title over games like Sw/Sh, BotW and Odyssey.

So with all of this in mind, what ACTUAL arguments do you guys have against the overwhelming evidence that we will continue to get more Smash DLC? Keep in mind, this doesn't even factor in that we have only two character slots left for Pass 2 but that credible insiders have heard legitimate things about more than just two characters. I want to have a serious discussion, so I hope to see some good points brought up when I get off work, but honestly the side of 'no more dlc' is a very weak stance to have with little supporting evidence.



I'm glad that my joke paid off already. I specifically worded it as such to see if people would wonder if it was the Pokemon in Smash or the Pass 3 that I was joking about.

Clearly, it was the Pokemon, as it has no evidence behind it.

Not the Person you replying to, but personally I'm someone that doesn't expect Pass 3, but instead thinks they are either planning an Expansion, or a New game

-During FP1, I don't believe Sakurai said that FP1 was where Development would end. He may have said no plans, but with his statements on FP2, he has said that development would be over, which is pretty strong

I know you mention he only mentioned that Around Min Min, and not afterwards, and yeah it's possible they might change plans, but I also have to say that with the fact that he even said Development would end in the first place, it does seem like they were not leaving FP2 as open-ended as FP1

-Sakurai did say that his Pics of the day posts were winding down, as in there are not much in supply that would be coming. The Pic of the days are Development based picture Sakurai takes for his development staff, so if those are winding down, that does kind of imply Development is waning. He also Mentioned this around the end of last year, so this was after Steve, and I believe after Sephiroth as well


-Negotiations can take awhile, and I think the logic that they may have chose FP1 and FP2 around the same time might prove that. People now are expecting a lot of Big 3rd parties to appear in Smash, So Trying to get those type of characters will take awhile. now not everyone will be in talks for 5 years like Steve was, But alot of time and discussion does go into implementing these characters

Perhaps part of the reason FP1 and FP2 May have been chosen around the same time is that the characters in FP2 were already in discussion or were far in negotations, that it be a waste not to use them in FP2, and it allows the development to continue with no Breaks, because you don't want a delay in Production time. The people working on Smash are contractors, so once they have nothing to do, they go to other projects, which can mess up the team structure

Perhaps they don't have enough time to get be able to finalize everything for a FP3 without having a long pause, and that could mess things up

Of course they could go more of a 1st party route, but with that in mind, here's my next point

-They might find it more beneficial to Focus on the New game or big Expansion rather than just more DLC. Not everyone buys DLC now, as I believe around FP1 it was said the retention rate between people that have Ultimate and also bought DLC was around 20-30%. I have to find that claim though, but if it is true, it does show that there is kind of a drop in the Amount of people that pay attention to DLC, and as More passes and more costs add up, the less retention that comes along

Smash is an expensive game to make. These other Fighting games do have all this DLC, but the amount of effort and time that goes into their DLC is different from Smash. I would say Smash has more that goes into it's DLC than the other Fighting games on the market, in terms of the content the characters come with, Licensing costs (Since on average, The other Fighting games don't have as much guests), and etc.

Really, it's Speculative, but they might find it more beneficial to perhaps focus on planning out what the Next game would be like, perhaps as a Launch title for whatever the Next Console is, or even Switch upgrade. Ultimate does put Sakurai, Nintendo, and etc in a certain situation. Alot of planning is going to have to go to this next game since there will be very High expectations

So they might find it more beneficial, to Their wallets, to save whatever they may have planned to make the Next Smash game as big as it can be, as the impact of the New content might be more beneficial for a New Smash game or Expansion instead of continuing on Smash Ultimate DLC, that will start to see less and less retention as time goes on

Also the point about the Smash team being contractors pops up again because the people making the DLC for the other Fighting games are dedicated teams or branches of the Company, who need to make some type of revenue for the company. To my knowledge the people that make the DBFZ DLC are dedicated members of Arcsys, as in they specifically work at that company. Same goes for SFV, Tekken 7, and etc. Working on those games is really their main livelihood, and if Development were to stop on the DLC, they be working on something like SF6 of Tekken 8 instead, otherwise they'd be doing nothing for the company

The Smash team is a group of contractors, not a Specialized Team working for a Specific company. It's great that they were able to continue to have the same team from Smash 4 to make Ultimate, since the development was continuous, but they aren't a team that is strictly dedicated to Smash, or a Branch that specifically works on Smash. a lot of the people do work on other projects, usually from Namco since that's who a majority of the people working on Smash come from. if they don't work on Smash, they'd just be working on something else as they go off to the wind


With all that in Mind, That's why I'm not really expecting a Pass 3. But Personally I do suspect that there are plans brewing already for what will come next after Ultimate. I think alot of the rumors about Certain characters, like League, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Master Chief, etc might be them currently talking about them having a presence in Smash someday, but perhaps not in FP2

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Activision being Western and Greedy ontop of them not having the extremely good relations of Microsoft, Ubisoft, or heck, even Tencent.

Ok I hate the argument that companies being greedy =\= invalid for smash.

SNK has Tencent, ****ing Tencent who is in leagues with the CCP, owning a large stake in them. Terry is in. Konami’s Treatment of its employees is notably awful. Look how much Konami content we have. Microsoft literally donated money to bush and gore to get a trust lawsuit to go away. We have Steve and Banjo.

Activision Blizzard is no angel. Don’t get me wrong. But to say that just because a company is “greedy” means that a character can’t be in smash is one of the absolute dumbest things you can argue.

It also does not help that Nintendo and Activision have a good working relationship but you do you.

 

[Otoad64]

I know that this isn't a real rule, but how likely do you all think Sakurai would be to add playable roster fighter versions of Assist Trophy characters? I personally don't have much hope for that, since Sakurai didn't make Springman the playable ARMS rep.

I feel like Waluigi has a slim chance and everyone else is dead

 

[Shroob]

Maybe people would be more open to discussing a FP3 if it felt like they weren't being talked down to?

There's a thought.



I'm open to the idea of a FP3. I don't necessarily think that we'll get one, but I'm not against the idea either. If we get one, we get one, if we don't, we don't.



I feel like people shouldn't be forced into believing that "FP3 100% exists and here's why!", just like people shouldn't shoot down the potential of one happening.



FP3 discussion doesn't need to be soo, "Here's why I'm right and you're wrong!", it can be much more chill if both parties are willing to actually listen to one another and consider each other's viewpoints, without being stuck in their own ways and considering themselves correct.


Like I said, I don't think it'll happen, but I'm willing to discuss the possibility of it happening. I'm not out here going "NO, IT'S 100% NOT HAPPENING AND HERE'S WHY!", I'm keeping an open mind about the idea. But, this also applies the opposite as well. If you come in here going "HERE'S WHY IT'S HAPPENING AND IF YOU DISAGREE THEN LOL", then you're going to be met with a heavy amount of pushback, and frankly, people here aren't going to want to deal with you. I can't blame them.


I think the big question is, "What do you gain exclusively by being right about this, that literally no one else also gets?" Because, if we get a FP3, then we all win, and if we don't, we all lose, so why even fight over this when we either all win together, or we all lose together? There's no "HAH, I WAS RIGHT! AREN'T YOU GUYS ASHAMED FOR BEING WRONG?!" here. We all win, or we all lose, nothing in-between.

 

[Technomage]

I feel like Waluigi has a slim chance and everyone else is dead

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[GoodGrief741]

I saw some discussion on the last few pages wondering what the appeal of PlayStation is and I gotta say, I'm simultaneously surprised and unsurprised that Nintendo audiences don't get it.

I saw surprised because the reason to get a PS is pretty much the same reason to get a Nintendo console: they make amazing exclusives. PS4 era Sony, specifically, hit kind of a golden age where they were putting out classics left and right. Look at any GOTY list from the past generation, there's at least one Sony game on it, guaranteed. Sure, they don't put out exclusives at the volume that Nintendo does, but they make up for it in third party support (exclusive and non-exclusive) - a strategy Nintendo seems to be copying, by the way, we all saw the last Direct.

At the same time I'm not surprised that Nintendo fans don't get it because from their perspective Sony's exclusives are all probably the same game. That's unfortunate because it's completely mistaken but hey, people will make sweeping statements about stuff that doesn't appeal to them. Still, they appear to be trying to get back into the "cartoony" market, they even made Ratchet & Clank one of the defining games of the PS5 tech-wise. But I won't lie, losing Japan Studio will probably impact the type of games they made, and is a huge loss to the industry because now we don't have a console maker bankrolling both Japanese and Western devs (well, Asobi Studios is still alive, hopefully they can grow beyond just making tech demos).

 

[N3ON]

So basically, Smash spec is like paleontology

As a dinosaur myself, can confirm.

Depends entirely on who gets in tbh.


If say, MonHun somehow survive the Mii Costume wave(s) and the potential Rise Spirit event, people will obviously point to them and say "See?! Base game!"


Likewise, any BIG 3rd party, like Crash, will also, due to the supposed "5 year plan", even if the leak has no discernable way of knowing if it's real or not, if we do get Crash, people will act as if it is.

Right, I'm saying we'll get a character that, due to lack of existing ties, will have people weave their own to justify their place among the other characters within the pass.

Which will have all the credibility of educated guesswork. Because I think that just because some of the pass entails revisited ideas, doesn't mean that all of it will.

 

[Dinoman96]

Nintendo selecting the DLC characters basically killed any chance Waluigi had tbh

They literally set up a "quality assurance team" for the Mario IP to do things like keeping Waluigi confined to the spinoffs. I don't think they're in any rush to promote him.

 

[Louie G.]

here's a galaxy brain thought

what if anyone who's an assist trophy wouldn't be dlc anyways even if they weren't an at

FWIW I think Bomberman could have had a decent shot, and I’m unsure how much being an AT impacted the decision to skip on Spring Man, but beyond that I doubt any of the others.