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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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Cutie Gwen

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TheCJBrine said:
Kinda wish Final Fantasy’s Black Mage was a fighter.

Smash Flash 2 made him cool. He’s got cool moves.

Also he’s got a cool design.

Anyway I got FF7 on Switch, got to where Aerith was taken and it’s pretty good so far. I’m interested in Black Mage too though so should I get the first game on mobile? Thought about just emulating the original game but eh idk. I don’t have a PSP so can’t get it on that; wish it was on Steam.

Speaking of Steam, did you know FF7 is a little bit cheaper on there than on the Switch right now? smh.
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FF1 is incredibly dated in terms of series standards to the point I'd say 2 captures the feel more than 1. That being said, play IX, the game with Vivi.
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TheCJBrine said:
I’m interested in Black Mage too though so should I get the first game on mobile? Thought about just emulating the original game but eh idk. I don’t have a PSP so can’t get it on that; wish it was on Steam.
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If you're really interested, go for it. But from what I've heard, Final Fantasy is a pioneer in its genre, which means:

Archaic Design: "Prepare for trouble!"
Extreme Difficulty: "And make it double!"
 
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Koopaul said:
Would you feel this philosophy applies to New Super Mario Bros? That they should just continue to make more of those forever? After all, those games sell like crazy. I guess Mario games should just be the same forever. No new ideas. Just fire flowers and flagpoles forever.
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Honestly? That's not a bad place to be with a series, in my opinion. I mean, I like New Super Mario Bros.
 
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SMAASH! Puppy said:
If you're really interested, go for it. But from what I've heard, Final Fantasy is a pioneer in its genre, which means:

Archaic Design: "Prepare for trouble!"
Extreme Difficulty: "And make it double!"
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The first Final Fantasy really isn't that hard. Especially later versions which kept getting easier to the point bosses had to have their HP increased to balance it out. As for its design, it holds up well for an early RPG. Encounter rate is fine, you can get by with minimal grinding and there's not much in its way that feels obtuse to work out. Worst you'll deal with in the original version is bugged equipment and spells which don't make the game harder and not having item descriptions which also isn't that much of a deal breaker.
 
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N3ON said:
I didn't realize how much I enjoy getting new stages as well as characters until Ultimate's base only had four and I was like oh.
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Yeah, that’s one of Ultimate’s lowest points; the piddling number of new stages.

So, I did a little thing: replace some **** stages in Ultimate with either a new stage or a stage absent from Ultimate.

Replace
  1. Rainbow Cruise
  2. Jungle Japes
  3. Yoshi's Island (Melee)
  4. :mky:
  5. :norfair:
  6. :ps2:
  7. :npc:
  8. :skyworld:
  9. :75M:
  10. Mario Bros.
  11. :hanenbow:
  12. Balloon Trip
  13. Pictochat 2
  14. Great Cave Offensive
  15. Coliseum
  16. Palutena's Temple
  17. Windy Hill
  18. PAC-LAND
Add (Old)
  1. Rainbow Road
  2. PAC-MAZE
  3. Jungle Hijinx
  4. Wooly World
Add (New)
  1. Coconut Mall
  2. Tal Tal Heights
  3. SR-388
  4. Floral Fields
  5. Resolution Road
  6. Melemele Island
  7. Temple of Mila
  8. Opera House
  9. Octopus (Game & Watch)
  10. Kid Icarus NES
  11. Golden Pyramid
  12. Gyromite
  13. City Escape
  14. Vega's Stage
 
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TheCJBrine said:
Kinda wish Final Fantasy’s Black Mage was a fighter.

Smash Flash 2 made him cool. He’s got cool moves.

Also he’s got a cool design.

Anyway I got FF7 on Switch, got to where Aerith (or “Aeris” as the default name says but I fixed it) was taken and it’s pretty good so far. I’m interested in Black Mage too though so should I get the first game on mobile? Thought about just emulating the original game but eh idk. I don’t have a PSP so can’t get it on that; wish it was on Steam.

Speaking of Steam, did you know FF7 is a little bit cheaper on there than on the Switch right now? smh.
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There is a FF1 port on GBA as well that is basically the PSP version, but less shiny and pretty looking.

I'd look into that if the PSP version isn't an option.

EDIT: Actually I think the PSP version has an extra optional boss/dungeon the GBA version doesn't have? The optional dungeons/bosses in the GBA version are still fine and challenging though.

GBA version is still less of a pain to play than the NES version anyways.
 
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ZelDan said:
There is a FF1 port on GBA as well that is basically the PSP version, but less shiny and pretty looking.

I'd look into that if the PSP version isn't an option.

EDIT: Actually I think the PSP version has an extra optional boss/dungeon the GBA version doesn't have? The optional dungeons/bosses in the GBA version are still fine and challenging though.

GBA version is still less of a pain to play than the NES version anyways.
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The PSP version does have an extra dungeon, in addition to the new dungeons the GBA version added.
 
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cothero said:
Imagine those are the last three characters in FP2. Would you be satisfied?

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Reimu: yay cool magic user and music and RAN RAN RUUUUUU

Gordon: yay cool character that I don’t really care about one way or the other personally but is a big pick with memes

Isaac: yay cool fan request magic user who I have the game of but haven’t got around to playing beyond the beginning parts because I’m lazy and kinda forgot tbh
 
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With this new dark event going on, I feel now is the most appropriate time to say this:
Dark Link should be upgraded to an Echo Fighter, and the Black Tunic (without the dark skin and red eyes) from Melee should return.
Yes, that'll be four Links, but I don't care.
I also want Cosmic Mario and Dry Bowser as Echoes.
Embrace the darkness!
 
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cothero said:
Imagine those are the last three characters in FP2. Would you be satisfied?

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Gordon Freeman is cool, Though most of my history with Valve is tied more with the Left 4 Dead franchise and though I never really got a chance to play it, Team Fortress 2 has always looked fun and appealing to me.

The other 2 absolutely don't do anything for me.

My biggest gripe is lack of of platforming mascots, While Banjo-Kazooie was my most wanted and I'm thankful Microsoft was willing to play ball, I will be really disappointed if it turns out he's the only one to make the cut via DLC when Crash Bandicoot and to a lesser extent Rayman make great Smash candidates.
 
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Cutie Gwen said:
FF1 is incredibly dated in terms of series standards to the point I'd say 2 captures the feel more than 1. That being said, play IX, the game with Vivi.
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I actually disagree with this. I thought FF2 was the one that felt the least like a FF game. I've played the first 10 and FF2 has that weird level up system and the dialogue system that are both never used again in the series. FF2 also doesn't have the classes like FF1 does so the black mage they were interested in isn't even in the game. Also a huge series staple is the whole crystal thing which is what FF1 was all about. I mean FF2 does add the chocobo but I personally wouldn't say it captures the feel of the series more than 1.
 
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spicynun said:
I actually disagree with this. I thought FF2 was the one that felt the least like a FF game. I've played the first 10 and FF2 has that weird level up system and the dialogue system that are both never used again in the series. FF2 also doesn't have the classes like FF1 does so the black mage they were interested in isn't even in the game. Also a huge series staple is the whole crystal thing which is what FF1 was all about. I mean FF2 does add the chocobo but I personally wouldn't say it captures the feel of the series more than 1.
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I admittedly should have been clear on that but I meant in terms of writing and roleplaying, 2's much more ambitious in both regards and I feel 2 really set the stone for the franchise steadily becoming more story heavy, I highly recommend this video essay on it because it really helped me realize why I have a soft spot for it, though obviously I understand if an hour long video doesn't fit your schedule



I haven't seen this video since it got uploaded so I don't remember if there's any strong language but some heavy yet relevant topics related to 2's story get mentioned
 
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Despite having never played a FF title, I'm excited as all get out playing as tifa brawler. Garret is cool too, I never realized he could be the progenitor of that gun arm aesthetic.
 
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My hope for the next Smash game is simply for it to be another iterative sequel. Not a port and not a reboot, I'll take the standard amount of cuts and newcomers, new stages, modes, etc. Shouldn't be too difficult.

TheCJBrine TheCJBrine I'm probably not the best person to take recommendations from, but I think you can totally play the original FF on NES and have a blast with it. It's the basics of the genre and you'll probably need a walkthrough so that you don't waste time figuring out spells and items (because there's no descriptions and some are bugged). All in all it depends on your tolerance for retro jank, but if you usually play retro games Final Fantasy should be no problem.

Cutie Gwen Cutie Gwen Yooo I finally found someone who appreciates Final Fantasy II! Anyway yeah FF2 is super underappreciated for what it introduced to the franchise and also more games should use its leveling system
 
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ForsakenM said:
Speaking of Geno...

First off, there is a very odd error in which Sephiroth was seemingly listed as Challenger Pack 6 instead of 8. It could be an honest to god mistake and nothing more, but this intrigues me since we just recently got that info from Imran that suggests multiple character delays.

More importantly, apparently Geno's Spirit Battle doesn't update from Sheik to Mii Gunner with the costume.

I'm too poor right now and don't have ANY of the DLC, so I need a favor from you guys here:
  1. I know that the Cuphead Spirit Battle updated, but did the Min Min one update? What about Ninjara?

  2. Is it true that Geno's Spirit Battle hasn't been updated even though his costume is back?
I need to know as this is very interesting.
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None of base game spirits got an update once their Mii costume got released later as DLC.
Tails and Knuckles weren't updated, Akira wasn't updated, Bomberman wasn't updated... it seems that they're only able to touch spirits added after the game's launch.
So yeah, there was no reason to expect the puppet's spirit battle to be updated.
 
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cothero said:
Imagine those are the last three characters in FP2. Would you be satisfied?

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HA! **** no!

PK Duststorm said:
Garret is cool too, I never realized he could be the progenitor of that gun arm aesthetic.
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I mean, he's not. Samus and Mega Man existed way earlier.

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Anyway yeah FF2 is super underappreciated for what it introduced to the franchise and also more games should use its leveling system
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Oh yeah! More games should use...the worst part of that game and the entire reason it's regarded so poorly...
 
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So, even though I never subscribed to "Voice theory", Cloud's Advent Children outfit now has its own separate slot in the voice menu, leaving exactly 3 slots left for our 3 last characters.

On the exact flipside, there's only 2 slots left for Music, meaning that if they did NOT just "Add another row" for music, that 'could' mean that one of our last 3 is from an existing series....CoughCHUNLICOUGH


Excuse me, had something stuck in my throat.


No, I don't buy any of this, but Voice Theory seems pretty dead now I'd imagine.
 
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cothero said:
Imagine those are the last three characters in FP2. Would you be satisfied?

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Reimu, Gordon Freeman, and Isaac would definitely be unexpected really interesting character picks. I'm not really a fan of/ interested in any of those characters or franchises though, so I wouldn't care for their inclusion much beyond the initial surprise.

It would be pretty funny seeing whatever they would do for Gordon's reveal trailer though, something like saving Luigi from headcrabs.
 
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Ben Holt said:
With this new dark event going on, I feel now is the most appropriate time to say this:
Dark Link should be upgraded to an Echo Fighter, and the Black Tunic (without the dark skin and red eyes) from Melee should return.
Yes, that'll be four Links, but I don't care.
I also want Cosmic Mario and Dry Bowser as Echoes.
Embrace the darkness!
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I can't think of much Dark Link would bring as an echo fighter that he doesn't have as an alt costume. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't he have the exact same appearance and animations as before?
 
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