Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SnowClaws]

Honestly with this Fire Emblem discussion, I still hoping for Joker from the Fire Emblem/Shin Megami Tensei crossover game Tokyo Mirage Session ♯FE Encore to appears in this Fighter Pass.

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[N3ON]

I get a kick of how the justification of FE getting preferential treatment can be distilled down to "it's good because everything is good". Like, had it been any other character, the previous points as to why it was good we got that FE character would still apply. Any character they add is going to be another character. And if a character selected before their game even releases is deserving then basically anyone is deserving. So basically every character fits those parameters.

But it's weird to like everything. With a roster nearing 100 characters it's much weirder to not dislike any of them. If someone gave you a playlist of 100 songs, and you liked every song, that'd be strange, wouldn't it? If you were given 100 different foods to eat, and you liked them all, that'd be very odd. It's normal to not like everything. And preferential treatment is as good a reason as any to not like a situation. In fact, it's the basis for a lot of justified grievances.

It's an intrinsically cloying stance to rely on such a milquetoast defence. But it tracks with a site that notoriously defends the roster like whether you like or dislike an addition will somehow change anything. If you dislike something, ok, so what, the roster is what it is regardless of how you feel. I accept that.

I just don't like the fact that FE has so many characters, not because, as per the typical dismissive rebuttal, I dislike the series (I enjoy the series, I played through 3H two and a half times), but because when one series continues to get preferential treatment above its station, it comes at the expense of some degree of parity with other successful series. Other series with their own beloved options, who equally fit the template for why the FE character is good, yet don't contribute to disproportion, and cater to a fanbase who has received much less. Some people find it hard to wrap their minds around Fire Emblem itself being the last thing I take issue with when we get yet another FE character. I like FE. I've played it since the GBA. I'm looking forward to the new game.

It's funny how maligned you can be on here for simply wanting more diversity of series, and less promotion-driven bias resulting in saturation.

But hey, if you want to run around chanting "rent free" and dismiss me as a hater, that's pretty par the course at this point. The only thing I'm actually hating on is an imbalanced situation. Which btw, is something Sakurai also has taken umbrage with.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I feel like the meta discussions on this thread are just an emotionally volatile version of the Spider Man pointing meme.

 

[Kokiden]

It has been awhile. Any news and updates on upcoming announcements? Not just for smash but Nintendo in general?

I get a kick of how the justification of FE getting preferential treatment can be distilled down to "it's good because everything is good". Like, had it been any other character, the previous points as to why it was good we got that FE character would still apply. Any character they add is going to be another character. And if a character selected before their game even releases is deserving then basically anyone is deserving. So basically every character fits those parameters.

But it's weird to like everything. With a roster nearing 100 characters it's much weirder to not dislike any of them. If someone gave you a playlist of 100 songs, and you liked every song, that'd be strange, wouldn't it? If you were given 100 different foods to eat, and you liked them all, that'd be very odd. It's normal to not like everything. And preferential treatment is as good a reason as any to not like a situation. In fact, it's the basis for a lot of justified grievances.

It's an intrinsically cloying stance to rely on such a milquetoast defence. But it tracks with a site that notoriously defends the roster like whether you like or dislike an addition will somehow change anything. If you dislike something, ok, so what, the roster is what it is regardless of how you feel. I accept that.

I just don't like the fact that FE has so many characters, not because, as per the typical dismissive rebuttal, I dislike the series (I enjoy the series, I played through 3H two and a half times), but because when one series continues to get preferential treatment above its station, it comes at the expense of some degree of parity with other successful series. Other series with their own beloved options, who equally fit the template for why the FE character is good, yet don't contribute to disproportion, and cater to a fanbase who has received much less. Some people find it hard to wrap their minds around Fire Emblem itself being the last thing I take issue with when we get yet another FE character. I like FE. I've played it since the GBA. I'm looking forward to the new game.

It's funny how maligned you can be on here for simply wanting more diversity of series, and less promotion-driven bias resulting in saturation.

But hey, if you want to run around chanting "rent free" and dismiss me as a hater, that's pretty par the course at this point. The only thing I'm actually hating on is an imbalanced situation. Which btw, is something Sakurai also has taken umbrage with.

I haven't played FE3H yet (it's on my to play list) but this sums up my thoughts on the matter more elegantly that I could have ever hoped to have worded it.

I've never played a FE game, but I enjoy using Ike from time to time, so I don't hate it either. There really is just too many of them.

A common stance against this is "Well, what about Mario? And Zelda? And Pokemon?" I'd argue that these giants in the gaming industry are more the exception that the rule. Every series other than these don't get near as many reps, with the exception of FE, even though it's not on the same level as the aforementioned.

FE is in the fortunate situation of getting a rep guaranteed if anymore new games are to come out, because Nintendo wants to have it marketed. Sucks, but I just know there will be more FE characters to come in the future. There's no denying that.

 

[DarthEnderX]

The character talking about the fighters is Fi

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[SMAASH! Puppy]

haven't played FE3H yet (it's on my to play list) but this sums up my thoughts on the matter more elegantly that I could ever hope to word it.

I've never played a FE game, but I enjoy using Ike from time to time, so I don't hate it either. There really is just too many of them.

A common stance against this is "Well, what about Mario? And Zelda? And Pokemon?" I'd argue that these giants in the gaming industry are more the exception that the rule. Every series other than these don't get near as many reps, with the exception of FE, even though it's not on the same level as the aforementioned.

FE is in the fortunate situation of getting a rep guaranteed if anymore new games are to come out, because Nintendo wants to have it marketed. Sucks, but I just know there will be more FE characters to come in the future. There's no denying that.

If you're arguing that there should be more variety then I don't really get why only Fire Emblem is the problem child with too many characters and not just any series with a roster of 8+ characters. Allowing bigger franchises be exceptions to this just kinda makes the whole thing about subjective stuff like deservitude and how much one likes the characters n' stuff.

Or mayve it doesn't and I'm in dire need of sleep.

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I guess not every Crackpot Smash Idea can be as ironically funny as exploding beds.

 

[Pillow]

I get a kick of how the justification of FE getting preferential treatment can be distilled down to "it's good because everything is good". Like, had it been any other character, the previous points as to why it was good we got that FE character would still apply. Any character they add is going to be another character. And if a character selected before their game even releases is deserving then basically anyone is deserving. So basically every character fits those parameters.

But it's weird to like everything. With a roster nearing 100 characters it's much weirder to not dislike any of them. If someone gave you a playlist of 100 songs, and you liked every song, that'd be strange, wouldn't it? If you were given 100 different foods to eat, and you liked them all, that'd be very odd. It's normal to not like everything. And preferential treatment is as good a reason as any to not like a situation. In fact, it's the basis for a lot of justified grievances.

It's an intrinsically cloying stance to rely on such a milquetoast defence. But it tracks with a site that notoriously defends the roster like whether you like or dislike an addition will somehow change anything. If you dislike something, ok, so what, the roster is what it is regardless of how you feel. I accept that.

I just don't like the fact that FE has so many characters, not because, as per the typical dismissive rebuttal, I dislike the series (I enjoy the series, I played through 3H two and a half times), but because when one series continues to get preferential treatment above its station, it comes at the expense of some degree of parity with other successful series. Other series with their own beloved options, who equally fit the template for why the FE character is good, yet don't contribute to disproportion, and cater to a fanbase who has received much less. Some people find it hard to wrap their minds around Fire Emblem itself being the last thing I take issue with when we get yet another FE character. I like FE. I've played it since the GBA. I'm looking forward to the new game.

It's funny how maligned you can be on here for simply wanting more diversity of series, and less promotion-driven bias resulting in saturation.

But hey, if you want to run around chanting "rent free" and dismiss me as a hater, that's pretty par the course at this point. The only thing I'm actually hating on is an imbalanced situation. Which btw, is something Sakurai also has taken umbrage with.

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Fire Emblem clearly has more characters in Smash than other larger Nintendo series, and of that definitely bothers a lot of people. The same could be said of Pokemon or even Kid Icarus, but FE is clearly the most obvious offender.


I just feel like a lot of people on both sides take the whole thing waaay too seriously, as if the thought of Sakurai putting another FE character in the game was akin to him killing their pet cat. It’s fine to not like a character inclusion, but it’s less fine to take that dislike out on actual fans of the character or their home series. On the opposite side, just because someone dislikes a character inclusion doesn’t mean one should assume anything beyond that fact.

 

[Kokiden]

If you're arguing that there should be more variety then I don't really get why only Fire Emblem is the problem child with too many characters and not just any series with a roster of 8+ characters. Allowing bigger franchises be exceptions to this just kinda makes the whole thing about subjective stuff like deservitude and how much one likes the characters n' stuff.

Or mayve it doesn't and I'm in dire need of sleep.

Like I already explained, Mario, Zelda and Pokemon are just that big that they're more the exception than the rule.

Personally, I think the many Link clones is just silly, and Pichu too, but the roster is what it is.

I think the reason FE gets singled out so much is because it's not as big as Mario, Zelda and Pokemon, so it raises eyebrows as to why they're getting preferential treatment.

Another reason is, FE characters have been steadily added as additions to every smash game in existence from the very beginning, so it's a preferential treatment that has been going on for years and years now.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Like I already explained, Mario, Zelda and Pokemon are just that big that they're more the exception than the rule.

Yeah but allowing those exceptions is antithetical to the main argument of variety, which turns the argument to preferences and perceived deservitude, which is exactly what you say here:

I think the reason FE gets singled out so much is because it's not as big as Mario, Zelda and Pokemon, so it raises eyebrows as to why they're getting preferential treatment.

Essentially, the argument of "I don't want more Fire Emblem characters because I want a larger variety in the roster" turns into "I don't want more Fire Emblem characters because the series isn't big enough to justify the characters they already have".

Just to cover my bases, the part that I didn't quote doesn't have anything to do with the argument since it's just personal dislike of specific characters rather than any number of representatives.

 

[Kokiden]

Yeah but allowing those exceptions is antithetical to the main argument of variety, which turns the argument to preferences and perceived deservitude, which is exactly what you say here:

Essentially, the argument of "I don't want more Fire Emblem characters because I want a larger variety in the roster" turns into "I don't want more Fire Emblem characters because the series isn't big enough to justify the characters they already have".

Just to cover my bases, the part that I didn't quote doesn't have anything to do with the argument since it's just personal dislike of specific characters rather than any number of representatives.

I'd say it usually boils down to a mixture of both personal preference and wanting variety. I think those two go hand in hand.

Personal preference will never be taken out of the equation, because everyone wants what they want, right?

The argument is both of what you said: no more FE because people want a larger variety roster AND FE isn't big enough to justify it having the number of reps it does. Both can coexist at the same time.

Just to get more specific, when I say variety, it's not just about wanting different characters, but having different series and franchises getting repped too.

There are still many series out there that have not even stepped a toe into smash, and it's a shame that they're passed over for a FE rep.

I know the argument of "slots being stolen" is vehemently frowned upon, but it is what it is. In place of FE, there could have been another brand new series stepping into smash for the first time. Instead of say, Corrin, we could have gotten Crash or Spyro (just random examples here)

Hope that makes sense.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Wow, the thread jumped 200 pages since I last checked.
PLEASE tell me we've got something and not just 200 pages of too many Fire Emblem characters and essays on why Pyrah's character design is the downfall of gaming.

I have a feeling that we won't get anything official until March with the start of the new fiscal year but Nintendo's been dropping games like they're hot so much lately that it's hard to say they won't just "BTW, new Smash character is the Roblox guy".

 

[zumaddy]

Roy on his way to delete all Fire Emblem discussion on Smashboards

 

[Kokiden]

Roy on his way to delete all Fire Emblem discussion on Smashboards

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I will give credit to Roy for being the first Smash character to have one of the most bombastic neutral B moves ever.

He has been replaced by Sephiroth's gigaflare now though lol. ****ing love that move.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

EDIT: I'm now too mentally deteriorated to continue the intelligent conversation going on so eh.

PLEASE tell me we've got something and not just 200 pages of too many Fire Emblem characters and essays on why Pyrah's character design is the downfall of gaming.

I started a discussion on sleeping characters exploding.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I started a discussion on sleeping characters exploding.

I got a mental image of a Voltorb having nightmares and BOOM!

 

[LAA9000]

Not necessarily about Smash, and I may be looking too into things, but someone on Discord pointed this out the other day: Nintendo of America recently unpinned their last pinned tweet (from January, about Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury) and currently have no pinned tweet. As they said, this might be an indicator that they'll make a new announcement soon to pin instead. I understand if you don't buy into this, though - even I don't really.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I got a mental image of a Voltorb having nightmares and BOOM!

The idea started out as a Nether biome getting added to Minecraft World that caused Steve to explode when he got put to sleep on it because beds explode in The Nether. It was supposed to be a galactically stupid idea but people unironically loved it and started theorycrafting what would happen if it worked on all characters.

R.I.P. Jigglypuff.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Wow, the thread jumped 200 pages since I last checked.
PLEASE tell me we've got something and not just 200 pages of too many Fire Emblem characters and essays on why Pyrah's character design is the downfall of gaming.

We're currently discussing Fire Emblem so take a wild guess



Side note but it kinda sucks we haven't gotten anything new from Xeno in this game, it's likely that we won't get any new fighters from the series in the upcoming DLC packs so I'm keeping this possibility in the back of my mind. In the mean time I might make a detailed moveset for KOS-MOS since I'm bored, I'd do the same for Rex but I imagine most people here have an idea on how he might play. Most people here don't know much about KOS-MOS so I feel like this might be a more fresh idea and make people more open to the character.

 

[Eeeyah911]

Roy on his way to delete all Fire Emblem discussion on Smashboards

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I was going to like this post (Because it's Roy), but then I saw the Default Dance gif...

I wish I can do Half Likes.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

This maybe random but this is the first anniversary of me coming out of my stubborn shell and talked positively about a character I didn't care for too much. I made a 2B special moveset and this was my quote.

I'm quite surprised no one has done this yet. Sure I'll give it a go but I'm quite stubborn when it comes to franchises I'm not familiar with.

Since she is the topic in question, I'll go with 2B because I don't care for the series and she is another sword fighter but one thing that I can finally talk about is how her robot companion has an uncanny resemblance to Med Unit 6.



Where does med-unit 6 come from? TimeSplitters Future Perfect! Who else comes from that game... heh heh heeeeeh...

SGT. CORTEZ! TIME TO-

Oh right... I gotta talk about 2B...

Anyways I'll make a Special moveset for her.

Neutral special: Pod Shot - Tap the button to fire a ranged laser shot, hold the button down to lock on to enemies for it to fire multiple missiles.

Side Special: Charge Slash - Hold down the button to charge up a slash that changes depending on the direction you hold (e.g. Diagonally upwards/downwards or straight ahead, controls like dancing blade).
If straight ahead: 2B will throw her sword that will slash horizontally and spin in place in front of her.
If Diagonally upwards: 2B will jump flip and slash around herself.
If Diagonally downwards: 2B will flip slash and then does a forward thrust motion with her sword.

Up Special: Pod lift - 2B grabs onto pod 042 and they fly up into the air but she can swing around on the pod to do a quick horizontal slash to end it early to give her some horizontal distance.

Down Special: Counter/Self Destruct - Like other characters, it counters moves but if she uses it too often, she will self destruct much like Hero. The first time deals 50 damage to her but the next time she will be KO'd, However it will also deal massive damage towards any opponents in proximity of the blast.

Final Smash: YoRHa Flight Unit Type-B - A trapping final smash just like every other DLC character where the flight unit flies toward 2B and any opponent in the way gets pulled into a cinematic final smash where it just shoots a bunch of missiles and then 2B jumps out of it to do a devastating slash through her opponents where they all get sent flying.

Overall I've probably done this really badly but this is as good as I can make it for being really unfamiliar with the series. 2B to me is still kind of boring but she isn't as bad as I initially thought. I wouldn't mind if she got into Smash Ultimate and I think she has a really good chance of being one of the Fighters Pass volume 2 characters.

 

[Wunderwaft]

This maybe random but this is the first anniversary of me coming out of my stubborn shell and talked positively about a character I didn't care for too much. I made a 2B special moveset and this was my quote.

Yooo I remember that post, you were the only who replied to my make-a-moveset-of-a-character-you-don't-know game with that post. Good stuff.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sakurai's Law:

Every time people complain about Fire Emblem being overrepped, Sakurai feels more compelled to add another one.

This maybe random but this is the first anniversary of me coming out of my stubborn shell and talked positively about a character I didn't care for too much. I made a 2B special moveset and this was my quote.

It's funny how this is the most discussion I've seen for 2B in quite a while, even when it looked like she was in that bad attempt at Grinch 2 lmao. I really like the self destruct being implemented, though considering how it functions in NieR Automata, she shouldn't actually lose a stock, but rather be given massive damage and be heavily crippled for a while. Not bad for someone with no prior knowledge though

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I get a kick of how the justification of FE getting preferential treatment can be distilled down to "it's good because everything is good". Like, had it been any other character, the previous points as to why it was good we got that FE character would still apply. Any character they add is going to be another character. And if a character selected before their game even releases is deserving then basically anyone is deserving. So basically every character fits those parameters.

But it's weird to like everything. With a roster nearing 100 characters it's much weirder to not dislike any of them. If someone gave you a playlist of 100 songs, and you liked every song, that'd be strange, wouldn't it? If you were given 100 different foods to eat, and you liked them all, that'd be very odd. It's normal to not like everything. And preferential treatment is as good a reason as any to not like a situation. In fact, it's the basis for a lot of justified grievances.

It's an intrinsically cloying stance to rely on such a milquetoast defence. But it tracks with a site that notoriously defends the roster like whether you like or dislike an addition will somehow change anything. If you dislike something, ok, so what, the roster is what it is regardless of how you feel. I accept that.

I just don't like the fact that FE has so many characters, not because, as per the typical dismissive rebuttal, I dislike the series (I enjoy the series, I played through 3H two and a half times), but because when one series continues to get preferential treatment above its station, it comes at the expense of some degree of parity with other successful series. Other series with their own beloved options, who equally fit the template for why the FE character is good, yet don't contribute to disproportion, and cater to a fanbase who has received much less. Some people find it hard to wrap their minds around Fire Emblem itself being the last thing I take issue with when we get yet another FE character. I like FE. I've played it since the GBA. I'm looking forward to the new game.

It's funny how maligned you can be on here for simply wanting more diversity of series, and less promotion-driven bias resulting in saturation.

But hey, if you want to run around chanting "rent free" and dismiss me as a hater, that's pretty par the course at this point. The only thing I'm actually hating on is an imbalanced situation. Which btw, is something Sakurai also has taken umbrage with.

Perceived roster imbalances aren’t new accusations, but what makes Fire Emblem a bigger target than something like Kid Icarus is that it not only got to keep the two characters from Brawl in Smash 4, but it also got two newcomers, one clone, as well. In addition, it not only got a cut veteran back, but also a new, unique character both as DLC, being the only franchise to get two characters as Smash 4 DLC and the only Nintendo franchise to a get DLC newcomer. This was a character from a game few people outside of Japan got to play before his reveal.

Robin fulfilled the desire for Fire Emblem diversity back in Smash 4 so he got a free pass, and whilst there were detractors, many also gave Lucina a free pass because she was a bonus clone. Roy, despite the hate he got, was a missed veteran. Corrin in contrast, had so many things going against him (6th Fire Emblem character, not a popular request, not a bonus clone nor was perceived as unique enough similar to Robin, etc.) that it wasn’t surprising he’d be controversial.

The only reason why Chrom had a decent reception despite being the 7th addition was he was an Echo Fighter that got in due to fan demand and was revealed alongside the Belmonts, Dark Samus and K. Rool. Byleth didn’t have these advantages and was the 8th Fire Emblem character and another character that visually fit in the stereotypical Lord archetype (unlike Robin) and his situation was a repeat of Corrin’s.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Something that's been on my mind for the past few days:

If we ever got a Sony rep, I think it's relatively safe to say that the current general consensus seems to be that Kratos would probably be the one picked. Big and popular series, has been kind of a mascot for Sony since the PS2 era, got a new game a few years ago and another seems to be in production.

Question is: what about after him? Imho it would be Kat, Ratchet or Sackboy. Maybe Nathan Drake, but I don't know enough about Uncharted to have an informed opinion about that.

(I dunno, I just wanted to bring up something new.)

 

[Speed Weed]

Something that's been on my mind for the past few days:

If we ever got a Sony rep, I think it's relatively safe to say that the current general consensus seems to be that Kratos would probably be the one picked. Big and popular series, has been kind of a mascot for Sony since the PS2 era, got a new game a few years ago and another seems to be in production.

Question is: what about after him? Imho it would be Kat, Ratchet or Sackboy. Maybe Nathan Drake, but I don't know enough about Uncharted to have an informed opinion about that.

(I dunno, I just wanted to bring up something new.)

him

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[Kokiden]

Something that's been on my mind for the past few days:

If we ever got a Sony rep, I think it's relatively safe to say that the current general consensus seems to be that Kratos would probably be the one picked. Big and popular series, has been kind of a mascot for Sony since the PS2 era, got a new game a few years ago and another seems to be in production.

Question is: what about after him? Imho it would be Kat, Ratchet or Sackboy. Maybe Nathan Drake, but I don't know enough about Uncharted to have an informed opinion about that.

(I dunno, I just wanted to bring up something new.)

I'd like to say Lara Croft, but who knows.

I can imagine her functioning similar to ZSS gameplay wise.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Something that's been on my mind for the past few days:

If we ever got a Sony rep, I think it's relatively safe to say that the current general consensus seems to be that Kratos would probably be the one picked. Big and popular series, has been kind of a mascot for Sony since the PS2 era, got a new game a few years ago and another seems to be in production.

Question is: what about after him? Imho it would be Kat, Ratchet or Sackboy. Maybe Nathan Drake, but I don't know enough about Uncharted to have an informed opinion about that.

(I dunno, I just wanted to bring up something new.)

I want Tomba! He desperately needs some attention. Like the dude didn't even get a passing acknowledgement in Astro's Playroom.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I'd like to say Lara Croft, but who knows.

I can imagine her functioning similar to ZSS gameplay wise.

Lara is Square Enix, though, not Sony.

 

[Dinoman96]

Ratchet & Clank is probably the other most long running and prolific Sony IP outside of God of War so them. They'd fit Smash really well with all of their gadgets and weapons.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I'd like to say Lara Croft, but who knows.

I can imagine her functioning similar to ZSS gameplay wise.

Lara Croft is Square Enix.
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[Kokiden]

Lara is Square Enix, though, not Sony.

.. well I messed that one up lol.

 

[Speed Weed]

I want Tomba! He desperately needs some attention. Like the dude didn't even get a passing acknowledgement in Astro's Playroom.

Worth noting that as far as I know, Tomba isn't actually owned by Sony. Though that's still no excuse for him to not pop up in Astro's Playroom seeing as that's got loads of third-party references as well.

Which actually, speaking of, I'm really surprised that it seems Legend of Dragoon - an actual Sony IP - got nothing in it. Normally I wouldn't consider it an omission seeing as it's pretty niche, but considering how deep they went, it feels weird. ****ing The Order 1886 gets a cameo, but not Legend of Dragoon? That ain't right!

Er, sorry for the tangent lmao

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Worth noting that as far as I know, Tomba isn't actually owned by Sony. Though that's still no excuse for him to not pop up in Astro's Playroom seeing as that's got loads of third-party references as well.

Which actually, speaking of, I'm really surprised that it seems Legend of Dragoon - an actual Sony IP - got nothing in it. Normally I wouldn't consider it an omission seeing as it's pretty niche, but considering how deep they went, it feels weird. ****ing The Order 1886 gets a cameo, but not Legend of Dragoon? That ain't right!

Er, sorry for the tangent lmao

Wait I thought Sony got the rights to Tomba when Whoopee camp went out of business. If that's the case then my dead dream just got even more dead.

 

[Speed Weed]

Wait I thought Sony got the rights to Tomba when Whoopee camp went out of business.

Wait, did they?

hmmmmmmmm i might investigate on this gimme a sec

 

[Kokiden]

After Sephiroth, anyone else think they could just double dip into an already series franchise in Smash?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

After Sephiroth, anyone else think they could just double dip into an already series franchise in Smash?

I’m still hoping they do Splatoon with Octoling and Xenoblade (X) with Elma

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

After Sephiroth, anyone else think they could just double dip into an already series franchise in Smash?

A belief in that is the basis for about a good 40% of the current fighter speculation.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Worth noting that as far as I know, Tomba isn't actually owned by Sony. Though that's still no excuse for him to not pop up in Astro's Playroom seeing as that's got loads of third-party references as well.

Which actually, speaking of, I'm really surprised that it seems Legend of Dragoon - an actual Sony IP - got nothing in it. Normally I wouldn't consider it an omission seeing as it's pretty niche, but considering how deep they went, it feels weird. ****ing The Order 1886 gets a cameo, but not Legend of Dragoon? That ain't right!

Er, sorry for the tangent lmao

Sony has a policy to **** on Legend of Dragoon, PSABR support got canned not due to lacking sales, not due to Sony pushing the ps4, but they saw that Dart was gonna be added and went "Bro that's cringe" and pulled the plug

 

[Speed Weed]

Sony has a policy to **** on Legend of Dragoon, PSABR support got canned not due to lacking sales, not due to Sony pushing the ps4, but they saw that Dart was gonna be added and went "Bro that's cringe" and pulled the plug

sony wahoominati let's go

 

[Diddy Kong]

I do justify Fire Emblem getting so many characters. In a way, Fire Emblem sets up a premiter for other franchises to follow. Same with Pokemon. I wish other franchises got this type of attention.

However, Fire Emblem gets this status due to Sakurai's help to bring Fire Emblem to the West. Intelligent Systems was responsible for the addition of Roy in Melee, and conjoined with Sakurai's decision for a new Fire Emblem character in Brawl with Ike. Not sure who was responsible for the Smash 4 newcomers, but honestly with Awakening being so well received it was a no brainer. I think Corrin might've been Sakurai's own decision, but Byleth was Nintendo's.

Simply put, the situation is what it is due to the influence of Intelligent Systems, Nintendo and Sakurai. And lots has to do with Smash bringing Fire Emblem to the West. And of course there always being a new protagonist to bring into Smash.

Personally I would only remove Corrin. The Echoes are great and low effort, Ike, Roy and Robin are hugely popular and Roy and Ike will likely be kept around purely cause the chance of a remake of their games are greater than others. Plus their play styles are popular.

I think it's understandable we have the situation like it is. And you know am an advocate for better representation of the current veteran franchises. Yet I still don't find myself annoyed with Fire Emblem's situation, on the contrary. They should try to aim for this type of representation for franchises as Zelda too (having as many Echoes as Fire Emblem and a new character or two). Add another Donkey Kong, Kirby, Xenoblade and Sonic character while we're at it? Nobody will notice Fire Emblem then. Especially if there's no newcomer next time.

And of course we got Chrom and Byleth this time. There was no excuse not to. I could only see a nee FE character through DLC next time, basically what happened this time. As Chrom was just a by product of Roy being brought back.