Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[chocolatejr9]

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I hate this... so much...

 

[Will]

I hate this... so much...

thanks i worked very hard on it

 

[Ivander]

To Ultimate Modders:

To Ultimate Modders:
"I'll watch your career with great interest when you start modding in Smash Run."

 

[chocolatejr9]

To Ultimate Modders:
"I'll watch your career with great interest when you start modding in Smash Run."

*Tour

 

[SharkLord]

when the cacamallow grinch esrb smashified pic with a ken thumbs up by the infamous hacker vergesabi "4chan" gematsu18 gets leaked with a mistitled .mp4 of bloody tears and the SNK trademark with a purple and yellow chair in the background​

Please do us all a favor and never post that image again

 

[Mushroomguy12]

*Tour

No, Smash Run.

 

[Mamboo07]

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No... just no.

 

[chocolatejr9]

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Please do us all a favor and never post that image again

Hey, you brought back the "not Baka Mitai but may as well be Baka Mitai" image!

 

[CureParfait]

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Please, never again with that picture.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I really wish DLC characters other than Piranha Plant had Palutena Guidances. I understand there was probably a reason they really couldn't, but still.

It's hard to when you don't know how many DLC characters there will be. And it's unlikely they could bring them back by that point. PP at least had around 2 years to get one. They'd have had to make it in November, right before the game releases. So... not plausible time. It'd be great if they could bring the voice actors back to set up new ones after DLC is over, though. I'd love that. They all deserve ones~

Worth noting that it makes sense as a placeholder, as they did confirm a second pass far after the first one(well after there's any chance the actors would be available). They at most could've had it done for the first pass, but again, it would be done in November, which is when the game was already finished. The chances of the voice actors being still used is pretty... low.

Either way, it's still disappointing. Mewtwo got it worse in 4, but it also wasn't worked on nearly as much during base like PP was from what it appears(and they didn't seem to have actual DLC beyond it planned for a while. Pass 1 was planned at least more than 2 months in advance, which gives them an excuse to make a generic one again. Though actually... did they reuse the lines from 4? If so, then the actors could've been done really early on, like not long after the concept of DLC was confirmed). But yeah, lots of possibities for why it's like that.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Do we really count Hero when they only got talked about after they leaked?

AHEM

I can just say this. As of current. Dovahkiin has a bigger chance then Doom Slayer.

Nah man. Was there an Elder Scolls 64? No? Didn't think so.

There's no reason for us to get another FE rep anyway.

There wasn't a reason to get, like, the last 3 either. But we still did.

 

[N3ON]

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Understanding all those references means it's probably time I took a break.

 

[SharkLord]

Nah man. Was there an Eder Scolls 64? No? Didn't think so.

There wasn't a reason to get, like, the last 3 either. But we still did.

Of course there's no Eder Scrolls 64. There wasn't even an Eder Scrolls 1 in the first place.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It's hard to when you don't know how many DLC characters there will be. And it's unlikely they could bring them back by that point. PP at least had around 2 years to get one. They'd have had to make it in November, right before the game releases. So... not plausible time. It'd be great if they could bring the voice actors back to set up new ones after DLC is over, though. I'd love that. They all deserve ones~

It is a bit weird though since Netherrealm Studios and ArcSystem Works games do seem to bring back the voice actors for intros and stuff and Super Smash Bros. has done so twice now for trailer purposes (though to be fair, neither actor had previously recorded lines for this game specifically nor did either character have more than one actor).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It is a bit weird though since Netherrealm Studios and ArcSystem Works games do seem to bring back the voice actors for intros and stuff and Super Smash Bros. has done so twice now for trailer purposes (though to be fair, neither actor had previously recorded lines for this game specifically nor did either character have more than one actor).

Though it's not the same thing. That, and do note they have to bring back Palutena's actress more than once in order to do two passes. They had no idea how the passes would go, so bringing her back way later has a lot more logic to it. The less time you have to use them, the better. Bringing them back more than once costs more money. Trailers apparently are done by a different team too, so that might be why they do it differently than Sakurai did.

Though it doesn't change that they weren't sure on all the Pass DLC characters by November, so it makes sense why they went with a generic one at the time.

Besides, just cause one company is fine with constantly bringing back people doesn't mean Nintendo/Sakurai are. I get what you're saying, but companies don't act the same. I don't expect us to get updated Gudiances, sadly, but it should outright happen. It's easy to add after the final character is added to the game. Since it's literally bringing back the actors for one specific thing, the cheapest option.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Though it's not the same thing.

I mean, intros are not Palutena's Guidances but they're still bringing back the voice actors so it is the same kind of thing. Everything else you said makes sense though.

It is a shame that they almost certainly won't be updating the Palutena's Guidances after all is said and done though since development will be over then.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

The pain I get every time I see Jermasus is worth it for the pleasure of seeing the pain of others seeing it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I mean, intros are not Palutena's Guidances but they're still bringing back the voice actors so it is the same kind of thing. Everything else you said makes sense though.

It is a shame that they almost certainly won't be updating the Palutena's Guidances after all is said and done though since development will be over then.

Well, the difference is also that a different team is doing it, so that does matter too. That's why it's not much the same thing. Similar situations, but a different set of people. Which means other mindsets on how to handle it. Sakurai actually did say someone else handles the trailers, if I remember right. I know Nintendo chooses when to reveal characters, not him, though.

I have a feeling more patches are coming after the last character, but considering Bayonetta was a special case, probably not. Small chance they might have a new set up for the final character, but yeah, I doubt it too. Even with the trailers overall, that's still less than also bringing back the actors for one more go. It'd be great if they could record them at the same time as the other trailers, but they'd be bringing back a voice actress(and more actors in general possible) up to 11 times over. That's definitely getting costly, so taking shortcuts in money usage makes sense in the end.

It still sucks.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Well, the difference is also that a different team is doing it, so that does matter too. That's why it's not much the same thing.

The people doing the act doesn't change the act itself. Yes circumstances matter, that I fully agree with, but bringing back voice actors is bringing back voice actors. You can't truthfully say otherwise.

 

[Cosmic77]

Honestly, I sort of hope they stop doing Palutena's Guidance in the next game so we can get some type of replacement character conversations on a better stage.

I think it'd work better with the Persona characters anyway. Splatoon and ARMS would also be good replacements if they utilized Captain Cuttlefish (or any of the other guides) or Biff.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Honestly, I sort of hope they stop doing Palutena's Guidance in the next game so we can get some type of replacement character conversations on a better stage.

I think it'd work better with the Persona characters anyway. Splatoon and ARMS would also be good replacements if they utilized Captain Cuttlefish (or any of the other guides) or Biff.

We've had multiple different codec things in the same Smash game so I don't get this mindset that one has to completely disappear in order for a different one to happen, especially in favor for ones without actual voice acting but gibberish on loop

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

There wasn't a reason to get, like, the last 3 either. But we still did.

I've seen a couple responses on this, so I guess I'll explain myself.

I meant there's nothing new to promote. Nothing new to shill. People are really starting to be afraid of a new FE character, but there isn't even one to add unless they pull from pre-Three Houses or a new game comes out this year and they decide that one needs a character too. The former situation goes against everything that's been added from first party games so far and the latter makes very little sense. It hasn't even been two years since Three Houses. If we get a new FE game this year, it's most assuredly going to be a remake. Those have never gotten DLC treatment, either.

I'll admit I'm sick of seeing a thing I like being treated as the boogie-man, and that's why I made that post. But right now the series is in the worst spot it has ever been in to get a new fighter. There's no reason to complain about the possibility other than wanting to hate on something.

And no, I don't see a Heroes rep happening. It's a spin-off first released in 2017 and Nintendo's interest in the mobile market is apparently waning. It getting a fighter doesn't make a lot of sense to me, even from a corporate shill angle.

 

[TheCJBrine]

What if we get Boyfriend from Friday Night Funkin’ and his stage comes with Girlfriend and she does codec-style conversations

 

[Cosmic77]

We've had multiple different codec things in the same Smash game so I don't get this mindset that one has to completely disappear in order for a different one to happen, especially in favor for ones without actual voice acting but gibberish on loop

Never said they had to get rid of the existing ones. I just don’t think Sakurai will bother trying the concept out on a different franchise until he stops with Palutena's Guidance. If Snake hadn't been cut, we may have gotten more Codec Conversations, and Palutena's Guidance may not have been implemented.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Honestly, I sort of hope they stop doing Palutena's Guidance in the next game so we can get some type of replacement character conversations on a better stage.

I think it'd work better with the Persona characters anyway. Splatoon and ARMS would also be good replacements if they utilized Captain Cuttlefish (or any of the other guides) or Biff.

I don't think they're mutually exclusive though. Palutena's Guidance and Orbiatal Gate Assault's conversations were made at the same time, as were the Codex conversations and the Lylat Cruise ones.

As for the two that use the same format, I'd imagine they didn't do more Codex conversations in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate because it's impossible to record new lines for Colonel.

We've had multiple different codec things in the same Smash game so I don't get this mindset that one has to completely disappear in order for a different one to happen, especially in favor for ones without actual voice acting but gibberish on loop

I'd be down with more text based ones as well, be it via Inkopolis News having the Squid Sisters and/or Off the Hook discussing the fighters, Paper Mario's Tattlers (including the ones without the skill, but still doing the same thing) chatting it up, or even Isabelle and/or Tom Nook rambling on about the fighters an things that are only tangentially related to them.

What if we get Boyfriend from Friday Night Funkin’ and his stage comes with Girlfriend and she does codec-style conversations

I would be surprised that she talked.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Never said they had to get rid of the existing ones. I just don’t think Sakurai will bother trying the concept out on a different franchise until he stops with Palutena's Guidance. If Snake hadn't been cut, we may have gotten more Codec Conversations, and Palutena's Guidance may not have been implemented.

I'm pretty sure Takeshi Aono's death resulting in Kojima retiring the colonel is why we got no new Codecs, not because "Well **** we already have Kid Icarus now". After all, we got new Star Fox codecs alongside Palutena Guidances

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Crackpot Smash Ideas: A new Codex style Easter egg is implemented. The character talking about the fighters is Fi, who tells you the most obvious thing about the opponent.

"Master, Captain Falcon has a Special Move called the Falcon Punch. If you were to get hit by it at a high percentage, there is a 96.734% chance that you will be knocked out."

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Crackpot Smash Ideas: A new Codex style Easter egg is implemented. The character talking about the fighters is Fi, who tells you the most obvious thing about the opponent.

"Master, Captain Falcon has a Special Move called the Falcon Punch. If you were to get hit by it at a high percentage, there is a 96.734% chance that you will be knocked out."

You fool, you absolute buffoon. The answer is obviously using this as Fi's neutral special after adding her as the next character

 

[SpecterFlower]

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tbf the esrb leak was correct and gematsu was probably correct but outdated.

 

[Cosmic77]

I don't think they're mutually exclusive though. Palutena's Guidance and Orbiatal Gate Assault's conversations were made at the same time, as were the Codex conversations and the Lylat Cruise ones.

As for the two that use the same format, I'd imagine they didn't do more Codex conversations in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate because it's impossible to record new lines for Colonel.

I was referring to the ones that have special lines for each individual character. The Star Fox characters only interact with each other.

If Sakurai is willing to do more on top of KI, then by all means, go for it. I'm just not convinced it's very likely. It's possible it's just a coincidence, but I feel like Palutena's Guidance was made for the sole purpose of being a successor to Codec Conversations.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You fool, you absolute buffoon. The answer is obviously using this as Fi's neutral special after adding her as the next character

She also has a passive ability to pause the game and tell the player that their shield is about to break every time their shield becomes 25% of it's original size.

EDIT: Which player you ask? Every player.

If Sakurai is willing to do more on top of KI, then by all means, go for it. I'm just not convinced it's very likely. It's possible it's just a coincidence, but I feel like Palutena's Guidance was made for the sole purpose of being a successor to Codec Conversations.

I'd imagine it was, but with how much effort they put into stuff like this, I don't think they would decide not to continue the Codex Conversations anyway once they brought Snake and Shadow Moses Island back without a good reason.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I would be surprised that she talked.

Well, she talks a little bit in the game’s tutorial at least.

 

[Pillow]

I've seen a couple responses on this, so I guess I'll explain myself.

I meant there's nothing new to promote. Nothing new to shill. People are really starting to be afraid of a new FE character, but there isn't even one to add unless they pull from pre-Three Houses or a new game comes out this year and they decide that one needs a character too. The former situation goes against everything that's been added from first party games so far and the latter makes very little sense. It hasn't even been two years since Three Houses. If we get a new FE game this year, it's most assuredly going to be a remake. Those have never gotten DLC treatment, either.

I'll admit I'm sick of seeing a thing I like being treated as the boogie-man, and that's why I made that post. But right now the series is in the worst spot it has ever been in to get a new fighter. There's no reason to complain about the possibility other than wanting to hate on something.

And no, I don't see a Heroes rep happening. It's a spin-off first released in 2017 and Nintendo's interest in the mobile market is apparently waning. It getting a fighter doesn't make a lot of sense to me, even from a corporate shill angle.

I agree, the chances of another FE character is pretty much zero. Though technically you didn't mention that we could just potentially get a 2nd 3 Houses Hero. Awakening got 3 characters after all. Like, it's not gonna happen, but yeah (Not that I'd mind seeing a playable Claude).

Honestly, I sort of hope they stop doing Palutena's Guidance in the next game so we can get some type of replacement character conversations on a better stage.

I think it'd work better with the Persona characters anyway. Splatoon and ARMS would also be good replacements if they utilized Captain Cuttlefish (or any of the other guides) or Biff.

Yeah it'd be nice to see the codexes rotating every game. Almost any series has the potential to bring cool codex conversations. Like I could see the Wright Agency talking about fighters if Phoenix comes, or Cortana conversations if we get Master Chief.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I agree, the chances of another FE character is pretty much zero. Though technically you didn't mention that we could just potentially get a 2nd 3 Houses Hero. Awakening got 3 characters after all. Like, it's not gonna happen, but yeah (Not that I'd mind seeing a playable Claude).

...So who would they echo? That's the only reason Awakening got 3. Very special situations.

The people doing the act doesn't change the act itself. Yes circumstances matter, that I fully agree with, but bringing back voice actors is bringing back voice actors. You can't truthfully say otherwise.

I'd say it honestly does. Sakurai doesn't want to go back to getting another voice actor for more. Trailers are very different and a lot more than a bonus. They're outright a core part of what helps characters sell. They're very different situations. The reason they're brought back matters more than just the fact some are brought back.

Anyway, I think we should agree to disagree. I don't see the situations as remotely the same.

But hey, we can at least make our own for fun~

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'd say it honestly does.

And I agreed with you. I'm not saying that it's not a different situation that caused different results, I'm saying that a situation does not change the meaning of a verb.

EDIT: Still replying because I believe you're misinterpreting me. If you still don't get what I'm trying to say with this then I'll just drop it.

 

[Pillow]

...So who would they echo? That's the only reason Awakening got 3. Very special situations.

I mean I did say it wasn't going to happen, but we do technically have a whopping 4 whole Fire Emblem characters that don't have echoes currently!

 

[Us3inMN]

I'll admit I'm sick of seeing a thing I like being treated as the boogie-man

It's funny, you can simply say "fire" and "emblem" in the same sentence and you'll scare any Smash player.

But for real, people need to calm down with the Fire Emblem hate. The fact that they're adding another character to an already dummy thicc roster is amazing in itself, and Fire Emblem is deserving of the spots they have.

except corrin f**k corrin

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I mean I did say it wasn't going to happen, but we do technically have a whopping 4 whole Fire Emblem characters that don't have echoes currently!

Yes, but that doesn't answer the question. They have to have the same fundamental bodyshape. Do any of them have that?

 

[Pillow]

Yes, but that doesn't answer the question. They have to have the same fundamental bodyshape. Do any of them have that?

I can’t help but feel you’re focusing on the wrong thing here

But to answer your question - yes. The series filled with humanoid anime characters has many characters that share the same body type.

 

[Knight Dude]

I agree, the chances of another FE character is pretty much zero. Though technically you didn't mention that we could just potentially get a 2nd 3 Houses Hero. Awakening got 3 characters after all. Like, it's not gonna happen, but yeah (Not that I'd mind seeing a playable Claude).


Yeah it'd be nice to see the codexes rotating every game. Almost any series has the potential to bring cool codex conversations. Like I could see the Wright Agency talking about fighters if Phoenix comes, or Cortana conversations if we get Master Chief.

I wouldn't mind seeing more of that type of stuff, even if its just fluff. Would've been cool if Dr.Light and Dr.Wily had convos, or outside of the main series, Alia and Signas treating each opponent like a Maverick boss. EDIT: Also Lan or Ciel.

Hell, a Pokemon Professor trying to study the fighters and comparing to Pokemon wouldn't be too bad either.
Doc Louis helping out Mac on the Boxing Ring would be nice, though those might be a bit more one sided unless the cameos were cranked up to 11.

Too bad SF doesn't have a main "announcer" type character, but someone like Dan Hibiki giving his opinions on all of the characters could be more fun than most of the current ones.

And of course, if Ace Attorney at least got a stage, Phoenix and the other lawyers having commentary could be cool too.