Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Quite the wakeup call

Now you're sure to greet the day with explosive vigor!

 

[h2ogre]

Did sakurai ever outright say that this is the last fighters pass? What were his words exactly?

 

[Deleted member]

Okay here's a quick question before I have to do other things:

What are some dark horse characters that are on your wishlist?(characters like Sephiroth who aren't really talked about but has a small chance anyway)

 

[h2ogre]

If i get 2b or kat then i will be happy

Okay here's a quick question before I have to do other things:

What are some dark horse characters that are on your wishlist?(characters like Sephiroth who aren't really talked about but has a small chance anyway)

like sephiroth? In what way?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Okay here's a quick question before I have to do other things:

What are some dark horse characters that are on your wishlist?(characters like Sephiroth who aren't really talked about but has a small chance anyway)

Aside from the obvious one if you’ve known me long enough, I’d also say KOS-MOS, Ahri and Octoling. Maybe Shantae too

 

[chocolatejr9]

Okay here's a quick question before I have to do other things:

What are some dark horse characters that are on your wishlist?(characters like Sephiroth who aren't really talked about but has a small chance anyway)

Is this the part where I mention Euden again? People are STILL sleeping on him...

 

[h2ogre]

Aside from the obvious one if you’ve known me long enough, I’d also say KOS-MOS, Ahri and Octoling. Maybe Shantae too

kosmos? You should have been here for the convo yesterday

 

[Rie Sonomura]

kosmos? You should have been here for the convo yesterday

I was, I saw it even if I didn’t participate

 

[Deleted member]

If i get 2b or kat then i will be happy
like sephiroth? In what way?

I literally explained what I mean, but if I have to....

"A dark horse is a previously less known person or thing that emerges to prominence in a situation, especially in a competition involving multiple rivals, or a contestant that on paper should be unlikely to succeed but yet still might."

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Wouldn't the Future Connected spirits essentially amount to spirits of characters already in the base game?

Nene, Kino, Tyrea, Gael'gar and Fog King all don't have spirits yet. Granted, that's still not a lot of spirits, even if they add Future Connected Shulk.

 

[h2ogre]

I literally explained what I mean, but if I have to....

"A dark horse is a previously less known person or thing that emerges to prominence in a situation, especially in a competition involving multiple rivals, or a contestant that on paper should be unlikely to succeed but yet still might."

Sephiroth also has a move called dark horse, or pale horse. I cant remember

 

[Mushroomguy12]

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[Deleted member]

now that I'm thinking about it.... a Digimon is a serious dark horse because Bandai is working on Smash Bros Ultimate and they own Digimon right? Unless I'm forgetting something anyway

 

[h2ogre]

How mad would the internet get if we got another fire emblem character. I know i would be. The only one i could see them choosing is rowan and lianna as one character, like byleth

 

[Rie Sonomura]

How mad would the internet get if we got another fire emblem character. I know i would be. The only one i could see them choosing is rowan and lianna as one character, like byleth

Yeah I think Sakurai addressed how bored the fan base is of FE characters in byleth’s presentation. I don’t think we’ll get another one for the remainder of DLC

next game tho? Basically a lock for the next MC

 

[Otoad64]

Okay here's a quick question before I have to do other things:

What are some dark horse characters that are on your wishlist?(characters like Sephiroth who aren't really talked about but has a small chance anyway)

Toad, Tails, Kamek, Plasm Wraith, Chibi-Robo, pretty much all of the pokemon characters on my wishlist, and most of the other ones are fairly talked about, though I doubt any of these have a chance

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Okay here's a quick question before I have to do other things:

What are some dark horse characters that are on your wishlist?(characters like Sephiroth who aren't really talked about but has a small chance anyway)

Axel Stone from Streets of Rage
Ark from Terranigma
Crono from Chrono Trigger
Cormano from Sunset Riders
Simea from Crystalis
Erik, Baleog and Olaf from the Lost Vikings

and of course

Sgt. Cortez from TimeSplitters!

Time to Split!

 

[SharkLord]

Did sakurai ever outright say that this is the last fighters pass? What were his words exactly?

Yes

There are only 5 more DLC fighters! After they have been released, the continuous Smash development from Smash for 3DS/Wii U will finally come to an end. The team is already underway developing the remaining characters, and will continue doing their best working from home. pic.twitter.com/Q9wkqEKeIo

— Robert Sephazon (@Sephazon) July 15, 2020

Once FP2 wraps up, Sakurai's work on Smash will finally end after he's been going at it since Smash 4. It's nothing like "We have no plans" or "I'm not sure what's next," he straight-up said "After FP2 is done, it's all done."

 

[h2ogre]

Yes

There are only 5 more DLC fighters! After they have been released, the continuous Smash development from Smash for 3DS/Wii U will finally come to an end. The team is already underway developing the remaining characters, and will continue doing their best working from home. pic.twitter.com/Q9wkqEKeIo

— Robert Sephazon (@Sephazon) July 15, 2020

Once FP2 wraps up, Sakurai's work on Smash will finally end after he's been going at it since Smash 4. It's nothing like "We have no plans" or "I'm not sure what's next," he straight-up said "After FP2 is done, it's all done."

Are these translated tweets?

 

[SKX31]

Quote’s experience bar would be an interesting mechanic, and I wonder how they’d balance it if they decided to put it in. Most if not all of the power-up mechanics so far are all comeback mechanics, where you get power after taking damage or being behind on stocks. This would be the opposite of that, though. It’d be a positive feedback loop, where dealing damage makes it easier to deal more damage. I’d imagine once Quote gets going, it’d be really hard to stop him, but if you can knock the experience out of him, it’d be hard for him to get it back.

I'd advocate for a couple things: Either modify the XP gain so if you're ahead you gain less but if you're behind you gain more ( and operate on this principle - Rebel Gauge gain is lower when ahead and OWA will activate later when ahead, pretty much to slow any snowballing*) or tie the XP into a sort of "economy" where additional levels could give more "expensive" upgrades or whatever. Either way you convey the implications pretty well.

* I'd argue operate on this principle too. On one hand, getting a stock lead with say 2-3 (or more) Wonderwings still left in the tank is a great thing for them. But dieing when there are still 2-3 Wonderwings left can be a major setback for the two since the unused Wonderwings effectively go down with the ship.

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— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) February 5, 2021

I love that Nintendo joined the "iconic" debate without giving a concrete definition of "iconic" to begin with.

It's like they learned from Smashboards or something.

 

[Pillow]

Okay here's a quick question before I have to do other things:

What are some dark horse characters that are on your wishlist?(characters like Sephiroth who aren't really talked about but has a small chance anyway)

Dark Horse? It's kind of hard to say who holds that title, since everyone finds perceives certain characters, and perceives the community's view of certain characters kinda differently. I'll go ahead and say Chosen Undead (or Unkindled / Sekiro) since I think Dark Souls is gigantic and isn't really talked about as much as it could be around here.

I'd also say if we get a new pokemon announced on Pokemon Day, similar to Melmetal for GO, then it would have a legitimate shot for Smash.

How mad would the internet get if we got another fire emblem character. I know i would be. The only one i could see them choosing is rowan and lianna as one character, like byleth

I personally never cared about the overrepresentation "issue." If it's a character I like, then I'll be happy. There's just not that many FE characters that'd make me happy apart from Tiki and Lyn who are already assist trophies. I think only Anna with some money gimmick would still interest me (though I'd also take Tom Nook, Recettear girl, or the ****ing RE merchant for this)

I'd advocate for a couple things: Either modify the XP gain so if you're ahead you gain less but if you're behind you gain more ( and operate on this principle - Rebel Gauge gain is lower when ahead and OWA will activate later when ahead, pretty much to slow any snowballing*) or tie the XP into a sort of "economy" where additional levels could give more "expensive" upgrades or whatever. Either way you convey the implications pretty well.

* I'd argue operate on this principle too. On one hand, getting a stock lead with say 2-3 (or more) Wonderwings still left in the tank is a great thing for them. But dieing when there are still 2-3 Wonderwings left can be a major setback for the two since the unused Wonderwings effectively go down with the ship.



I love that Nintendo joined the "iconic" debate without giving a concrete definition of "iconic" to begin with.

It's like they learned from Smashboards or something.

Yeah, while I like the idea XP gain mechanic on paper, there's a reason why Smash has tons of comeback mechanics and not very many win more mechanics - and that reason is that the latter tend to be unfun on both sides (it sucks to be kept down when you need to build up a bar, it sucks to if ur getting wrecked and they just get stronger for it) so they'd have to be real careful with this sort of mechanic.

 

[Deleted member]

Sephiroth also has a move called dark horse, or pale horse. I cant remember

It was Pale Horse

 

[SharkLord]

Are these translated tweets?

Yes, these are translated. Pushdustin and Sephazon (The latter being the guy who translated this particular part) are the guys we rely on for interview translations.

 

[h2ogre]

How I would fix the most broken character in the game (Hero)

-Remove the critical hit mechanic
-Remove Hocus Pocus
-Reduce launch power on Kafrizz
-Make the Zap spells reflectable
-very slightly reduce magic bursts range

 

[Deleted member]

How I would fix the most broken character in the game (Hero)

-Remove the critical hit mechanic
-Remove Hocus Pocus
-Reduce launch power on Kafrizz
-Make the Zap spells reflectable
-very slightly reduce magic bursts range

how is Hero the most broken character?

 

[Otoad64]

How I would fix the most broken character in the game (Hero)

-Remove the critical hit mechanic
-Remove Hocus Pocus
-Reduce launch power on Kafrizz
-Make the Zap spells reflectable
-very slightly reduce magic bursts range

better idea, make every other character just as broken

balancing solved.

 

[3BitSaurus]

slow any snowballing*

Pffft, and you call yourself a MOBA fan?

Call me when there's a character that becomes so unbearable to face once they have a stock lead, you might as well put the controller down (which then nets you a warning from Nintendo because you left the match).

I couldn't resist, okay

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I love that Nintendo joined the "iconic" debate without giving a concrete definition of "iconic" to begin with.

It's like they learned from Smashboards or something.

Plot twist: Smashboards was run by Nintendo the whole time.

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

Okay here's a quick question before I have to do other things:

What are some dark horse characters that are on your wishlist?(characters like Sephiroth who aren't really talked about but has a small chance anyway)

Uhm... I have a few, my main ones being Beat from Jet Set Radio, Jason and SOPHIA from Blaster Master, Vent and Aile from Mega Man ZX and Daft Punk headgear for the Mii Fighters (no chance IMO but s t i l l)

 

[I.D.]

I love that Nintendo joined the "iconic" debate without giving a concrete definition of "iconic" to begin with.

It's like they learned from Smashboards or something.

Reminder

 

[Otoad64]

Reminder

I think their definition of iconic is "we said so"

 

[chocolatejr9]

Reminder

Where's the lie, though?

 

[cashregister9]

Okay here's a quick question before I have to do other things:

What are some dark horse characters that are on your wishlist?(characters like Sephiroth who aren't really talked about but has a small chance anyway)

Everyone is still sleeping on Saber

Fate is on the list of the Highest grossing Franchises of all time up there with gosh dang Donkey Kong and My Little Pony, and Fate/Grand Order is consistently in the top 10 highest grossing mobile games of all time.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Nintendo..... actually acknowledging one of the classic Paper Mario games?

Happy 20th Anniversary to Paper Mario! What's your favorite Paper Mario memory over the years? pic.twitter.com/3mGPgeLh9e

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) February 5, 2021

 

[Louie G.]

What are some dark horse characters that are on your wishlist

Practically everyone I want in some way, lmao.

Chorus Kids / Rhythm Heaven are pretty much out of the picture right now in my book, and from what I've gathered most other people's as well - but it still remains one of the more prominent Nintendo series currently absent from the roster, and had content planned back in Smash 4. Although even among discussion of missing Nintendo IPs, Golden Sun has eclipsed it (lol) for years despite being notably smaller.

Arle is discussed relatively often these days, but just as often completely forgotten in favor of additional Sonic characters or even Kiryu. Expand to the public conscience and she's in a comparable position to Terry. Most people are not counting on a cutesy puzzle game character.

Morrigan is from a notoriously dead series among a plethora of successful Capcom IPs yet to make their Smash debut, her chances of being chosen over many of them remains extremely slim. But she's somewhat of a crossover staple, and has built a unique legacy around that.

Prince of All Cosmos, Marina Liteyears, Lip, Mach Rider, Captain Syrup...

Chun-Li is probably the "safest" choice on my wishlist, and even then I'm constantly met with discussions about how Street Fighter content is good as is and doesn't need more "reps" despite Chun-Li's immense significance in her own right. Dante and Phoenix are still the most commonly accepted from Capcom.

 

[Otoad64]

Nintendo..... actually acknowledging one of the classic Paper Mario games?

Happy 20th Anniversary to Paper Mario! What's your favorite Paper Mario memory over the years? pic.twitter.com/3mGPgeLh9e

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) February 5, 2021

they've acknowledged the original before, the real suprise is if they acknowledge ttyd or super

 

[Pillow]

Everyone is still sleeping on Saber

Fate is on the list of the Highest grossing Franchises of all time up there with gosh dang Donkey Kong and My Little Pony, and Fate/Grand Order is consistently in the top 10 highest grossing mobile games of all time.

She's definitely a sleeper pick. Her biggest flaw is really how muddled her origins are relative to other Smash characters - She's technically from a game, but some people debate if a full visual novel counts and that game contains actual pornographic content which would be a first for Smash; she's notable for the success of her phone game, but phone games really haven't been represented in Smash thus far, and Euden is the safer bet if Smash is going to dip its toes into phone game characters; and a lot of Westerners know her first and foremost from her anime series.

Also hurrdurr more anime swords.

Arle is discussed relatively often these days, but just as often completely forgotten in favor of additional Sonic characters or even Kiryu. Expand to the public conscience and she's in a comparable position to Terry. Most people are not counting on a cutesy puzzle game character.

I'll stan Kiryu til I die, but I think most people agree that Arle is more likely than Kiryu.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Nintendo..... actually acknowledging one of the classic Paper Mario games?

Happy 20th Anniversary to Paper Mario! What's your favorite Paper Mario memory over the years? pic.twitter.com/3mGPgeLh9e

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) February 5, 2021

That's impossible, the Wahoominati would never acknowledge the Paper Mario franchise pre-Sticker Star.

 

[ahemtoday]

I recognize that discussion about this has already passed us by, but I feel like I'm the only person who actively dislikes the idea of a transformation character. Like, even if we could just snap our fingers and magically conjure up three extra movesets for Young Link or whatever at no additional cost, I wouldn't want that.

 

[Louie G.]

I'll stan Kiryu til I die, but I think most people agree that Arle is more likely than Kiryu.

In the speculation community, sure. Expanding outside toward general Smash players, and hell a lot of people within the speculation community are still guilty of this too, “cute” characters are always seen as lesser than “cool” characters as a rule of thumb.

If Puyo was still as big as it is now but it was a totally different genre, or had a different artstyle, it would be a much hotter topic for Smash than it currently is. So I believe Arle still falls under that umbrella looking beyond just the people here. That’s my logic, at least.