Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Perkilator]

Huh, neat coincidence; TKOWL just did an Eggman moveset commission on Twitter!

Full Dr. Eggman Smash moveset commission for @Fawful117 ! pic.twitter.com/pLPD3u18rE

— Ryan's Art Account (@TKOWL_Art) January 28, 2021

So, I decided to make my own moveset based on TKOWL's interpretation:

Spoiler: My Eggman moveset

Intro: Eggman floats down on his Egg Mobile

Stance/Idle 1: The Egg Mobile floats close to the ground
Idle 2: Eggman chuckles
Idle 3: Eggman twirls his mustache

Notable Palette Swaps:

• Default: Dr. Eggman
• Color 2: Maria Robotnik (blue)
• Color 3: Snively (green)
• Color 4: Professor Gerald (white)
• Color 5: Eggman Nega (black)
• Color 6: Pajamas (pink)
• Color 7: Classic Eggman (alt 1)
• Color 8: Eggrobo (alt 2)

Walk: The Egg Mobile floats along the ground
Dash: The Egg Mobile floats along the ground while the jets fire
Damage: His damage animation from the Classic games
Jump: The Egg Mobile’s Walker legs spring out, and the jet propels Eggman slightly for the second jump
Crouch: Eggman rests the Egg Mobile on the ground

Normal Attacks
Jab: Eggman flurries with robotic claws from the Egg Mobile (2%-3%), then finishes with an uppercut (6%, small knockback)
Forward+A: Eggman attacks with one of the bumpers from the EGG-HVC-001 (6%, small knockback)
Down+A: Eggman sends out a boxing glove attached to a spring that sends opponents far (9%, OK knockback)
Up+A: Eggman attacks using the pointy tail from the second submarine boss of Oil Ocean (9%, OK knockback)

Aerial Attacks
Air+A: Eggman attacks using the flippers from the final boss of Sonic CD (3% each hit, OK knockback)
Air Forward+A: Eggman fires a shot from his energy gun (7%, small knockback)
Air Back + A: Eggman drops some blue toxic water from the back of his Egg Mobile (10%, OK knockback)
Air Up+A: Eggman attacks by clamping the two claws from the Casino Night Zone boss (11%, OK knockback)
Air Down+A: Eggman drops down with a spike at the bottom of the Egg Mobile (8% with a meteor effect, OK knockback)

Dash Attack: Eggman dashes forward with the Egg Walker’s legs
Edge Attack: Eggman shoots an energy laser (7%, small knockback) and gets back up after hanging on the edge with the Egg Mobile’s robot claws
Get-Up Attack: Eggman briefly summons an Electric Shield (5%, small knockback)

Smash Attacks
Forward+A: Eggman slams the ground with a giant hammer (25%, medium knockback)
Up+A: Eggman attacks by raising a drill from Marble Garden above himself (22%, medium knockback)
Down+A: Eggman fires two fireballs from the bottom of his Egg Mobile (15% each hit, OK knockback)

Grab Game
Grab: Eggman uses Big Arms to grab the opponent
Pummel: Eggman slowly squeezes the opponent (5%)
Forwards+Throw: Eggman tosses the opponent forward (9%, OK knockback)
Down+Throw: Eggman hovers up a bit and buries the opponent with a full-force ground slam (15%)
Back+Throw: Eggman throws the opponent behind himself (12%, OK knockback)
Up+Throw: Eggman uses the Phantom Ruby to warp the opponent to above himself (8%, small knockback)

Special Moves
B : Checker Wrecker; “Take this!” Eggman unleashes a wrecking ball and slams it forward after a brief spin (22% with a meteor effect, medium knockback). By tilting the control stick in the opposite direction, Eggman can do a backflip and attack opponents behind him.
B + Forwards : Drill Run; Eggman rushes forward in a drill car (15%, OK knockback). The drill itself cancels out the Drill item, and can be released by pressing B again.
B + Up : Phantom Ruby; Eggman uses the powers of the Phantom Ruby to warp in the direction the control stick is tilted; this attacks fighters in a large area (5%, OK knockback) and can either shrink opponents, reverse controls, or inflict the Flower status.
B + Down : Laser from M.E.; “Get ready to be schooled!” Using the powers of the Master Emerald, Eggman fires a huge one-hit laser that goes offscreen (35%, far knockback). This attack has a 7-second cooldown between uses.

Final Smash: Death Egg Robot; “Get a load of this!” Using the powers of the Phantom Ruby, Eggman summons the Death Egg Robot. Both of its arms can be controlled with either control stick, and pressing B has Eggman fire both of them towards the screen (30%, far knockback); if opponents are at 70% or higher, they will suffer a screen K.O.

Gimmick: N/A


Taunts
1: “Yosh…” Eggman pets his Egg Mobile
2: “Time for a change of pace!” Eggman gets out of the Egg Mobile for a sec to do a “Well! What is it?” gesture
1+2: “Ohohoho!” Eggman puts his hand on his chest as he laughs

Winposes
1: “Now you know why I am the best!” Eggman mimics the bad ending from Sonic the Hedgehog
1a: “Try again, Sonic!” (Vs. Sonic)
2: “The more, the merrier!” The camera pans up from a capsule containing Flickies and moves up to Eggman, with Orbot and Cubot appearing briefly
3: “Yes, yes, yes!” Eggman’s victory animation from Sonic Adventure 2

Applause: Eggman mimics the good ending from Sonic the Hedgehog
Icon: The Sonic series icon
Boxing Ring Title: The Man with the Master Plan
Star K.O.: “Curseeeees…!” “I hate that hedgehoooog…!”
Victory Music: E.G.G.M.A.N.
Kirby Hat: Eggman’s glasses and mustache

And here's a Challenger Pack I made as well:

Spoiler: Eggman's Challenger Pack

Stage: Studiopolis Zone (concept here)
Music:

1. Title Screen Medley - Sonic the Hedgehog
2. Marble Zone / Star Light Zone
3. Chemical Plant Zone
4. Casino Night Zone
5. Death Egg Robot / Final Zone
6. Palmtree Panic Present
7. Stardust Speedway (Bad Future) / Metal Sonic
8. Metallic Madness
9. Hydocity Zone
10. Big Arms
11. Mushroom Hill Zone
12. Flying Battery Zone
13. Sky Sanctuary Zone
14. Doomsday Zone
15. The Final Fight
16. Unknown from M.E.
17. Chaos 0, 2, 4
18. Run Through the Speed Highway
19. E.G.G.M.A.N.
20. That's the Way I Like It (for Metal Harbor)
21. Rhythm and Balance (for White Jungle)
22. For True Story
23. Supporting Me
24. Seaside Hill / Ocean Palace
25. Bullet Station
26. Egg Emperor
27. What I'm Made Of
28. Right There, Ride On
29. Metal Scratchin'
30. Back 2 Back
31. Wrapped in Black
32. I Am (All of Me)
33. Crisis City
34. A New Venture
35. Vs. Egg Dragoon
36. Tropical Resort
37. Planet Wisp
38. The Deadly Six Medley
39. Sonic Mania Medley
40. Blossom Haze (Press Garden Zone Act 2)
41. Rogues Gallery (Mirage Saloon Zone Act 2)
42. Titanic Monarch Zone
43. Ruby Delusions (Eggman Boss 1)
44. Hi-Spec Robo Go! (Hard Boiled Heavy Boss)
45. Moonlight Battlefield (Aqua Road)
46. Battle with Metal Sonic (US Ver.)
47. Metropolitan Highway

Spirits
(battles here)

1. Dr. Eggman (Fighter Spirit)
2. Classic Eggman (Fighter Spirit)
3. Motobug (, ; Title Screen Medley - Sonic the Hedgehog)
4. Egg Pawn (Eggman (Color 7) x20, ; Seaside Hill / Ocean Palace)
5. Knuckles ( (Color 4), ; Angel Island Zone)
6. Metal Sonic (previous Spirit; Stardust Speedway (Bad Future) / Metal Sonic)
7. Mighty & Ray ( (Color 3) and (Color 7), ; Sonic Mania Medley)
8. Eggman Nega (Eggman (Color 5), ; Wrapped in Black)
9. Black Doom ( (default), ; For True Story)
10. Mephiles ( (Color 5), ; His World (Theme of Sonic the Hedgehog) - E3 2006 Version)
11. Erazor Djinn ( (Color 8), ; Seven Rings in Hand)
12. Wisps (x9 (Color 3) and (Color 3), ; Planet Wisp)
13. Orbot & Cubot ( (Color 4) and (Color 3), ; Reach for the Stars)
14. Zavok ( (default), ; The Deadly Six Medley) -> The Deadly Six ()
15. Sticks the Badger ( (Color 7), ; Sonic Boom)
16. Hard-Boiled Heavies (Eggman (Color 8) x5, ; Hi-Spec Robo Go! (Hard Boiled Heavy Boss)
17. Rookie ( (Color 7), (default), and (Color 2), ; Moonlight Battlefield (Aqua Road))
18. Death Egg Robot (Giant Eggman (Color 7), ; Death Egg Robot / Final Zone)

Classic Mode: The Enemy of My Enemt (fights other fellow villains; is an ally in every battle, referencing him and Eggman's tendencies to reluctantly team up)
Round 1: on Windy Hill (The Deadly Six Medley)
Round 2: Giant on (Rhythm and Balance (for White Jungle))
Round 3: on (Bullet Station)
Round 4: Meta and on (Vs. Egg Dragoon)
Round 5: Eggman (Color 8) x5 (horde battle) on Studiopolis Zone (Hi-Spec Robo Go! (Hard Boiled Heavy Boss))
Round 6: on Northern Cave (Egg Emperor)
Final Round:

(Big Arms)
Credits: E.G.G.M.A.N.

 

[Dinoman96]

There's a reason why fans don't want a Gen 8 Pokemon for Smash is because of how terrible Sword and Shield is.

It's also really just because the prospects of an 11th (11th) Pokemon rep as one of the presumably last three characters for this game is really boring to most people, including me.

Would rather see new series, and/or at the very least more characters for underrepresented IPs like Xenoblade.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Unless it's Bubsy 3D. Credit where credit is due, Sonic 06 does at least have all of the necessary texture work.

Actually, to defend Bubsy 3D, yes I'm serious, Mario 64 only released a few months earlier than Bubsy 3D, meaning 3D platformers weren't even a thing that could be used for reference, so while the end result was awful, I think people should know about that as one remark I often see is that they should have copied something that was barely on the shelves by the time development wrapped up

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That kinda goes for every rumor, really. I agree it's not very likely, but it's not like any of the other rumors have that much more to go off of.

To be completely fair, GameFAQS and ResetEra have registered usernames. All the other ones are on anonymous boards so it’s more of a gamble, but when usernames are on the line there’s a bit of vetting involved, at least that’s how I see it

and GFAQs isn’t as strict on vetting as Era

 

[ahemtoday]

Unless it's Bubsy 3D. Credit where credit is due, Sonic 06 does at least have all of the necessary texture work.

Honestly, I kinda like the way the world looks in Bubsy 3D. It's like some sorta low-poly psychedelic chessboard world.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Of all the places they could copy, they choose GameFAQs?

Look if he chose 4chan the open-mouthed Wojak and overwhelming amount of asterisks would've given it away.

 

[Pillow]

Actually, to defend Bubsy 3D, yes I'm serious, Mario 64 only released a few months earlier than Bubsy 3D, meaning 3D platformers weren't even a thing that could be used for reference, so while the end result was awful, I think people should know about that as one remark I often see is that they should have copied something that was barely on the shelves by the time development wrapped up

This is a pretty good point. If I recall correctly Sonic 2006 was the follow up of a couple other rather poorly received 3D sonic games ( I remember one was Heroes don’t remember the other) so it also sort of acted as resounding proof that Sonic Team really never learns from its past mistakes and instead prefers to double down on them.

Also the sickening feeling the romantic subplot between Sonic the Hedgehog and a human teenage girl gave me could never be defeated by the likes of poor texture rendering.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Well it’s ok to criticize even if you bought the game. I just feel like most people who did buy SwSh enjoyed it for what it was worth. Hardcore pokemon fans just have to accept the fact that GF will continue to be able to come up with this type of product and still get away with it and make bank because pokemon has become too big to fall.

I'd argue that buying the game makes your criticisms more valid since you have a primary source for your claims. Perhaps buying the DLC to a game you don't like is unwise, but criticizing a game you bought shouldn't be weird or anything.

Honestly, Pokémon Shield was the most fun I've had with the series in a while, which bugs me even more because if it was actually built with the time and care it needed (and respected the intelligence of its audience) it would probably be amazing.

On a side note I’d highly recommend to any disgruntled pokemon fans out there to play the fan game pokemon reborn. It’s free and requires no emulator. The plot and writing is extremely stupid, but the gameplay is very well done.

I-Isn't that the one with the super edgy/creepypasta plot?

 

[3BitSaurus]

Instant Top Tier

Nah, Bottom Tier.

 

[CannonStreak]

This is a pretty good point. If I recall correctly Sonic 2006 was the follow up of a couple other rather poorly received 3D sonic games ( I remember one was Heroes don’t remember the other) so it also sort of acted as resounding proof that Sonic Team really never learns from its past mistakes and instead prefers to double down on them.

Also the sickening feeling the romantic subplot between Sonic the Hedgehog and a human teenage girl gave me could never be defeated by the likes of poor texture rendering.

Not that I think the subplot was good at all, but I guess you don't like Roger Rabbit and Jessica Rabbit?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If I bought Bubsy 3D I could only blame myself and my drug problem.

Are you saying I have a drug problem? >:V

Just joking... it would probably be my parents having one because it was a Christmas gift

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Yeah? What about it??

 

[SharkLord]

To be completely fair, GameFAQS and ResetEra have registered usernames. All the other ones are on anonymous boards so it’s more of a gamble, but when usernames are on the line there’s a bit of vetting involved, at least that’s how I see it

and GFAQs isn’t as strict on vetting as Era

I mean if they're complete anonymous that's arguably even worse. If they have nothing to back up their word, why should we listen in the first place? Doesn't help that even credible leakers only leak things about a week in advance at most, making it very unlikely that someone would know the next fighter that far in advance. In general, you should be clutching that salt shaker close with every leak.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Yeah? What about it??

Obviously it means Wraith in Smash because every time a company breathes, it's related to Smash

 

[Truth the Ceomasterz33]

Nah, Bottom Tier.

That thicc tier.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Actually, to defend Bubsy 3D, yes I'm serious, Mario 64 only released a few months earlier than Bubsy 3D, meaning 3D platformers weren't even a thing that could be used for reference, so while the end result was awful, I think people should know about that as one remark I often see is that they should have copied something that was barely on the shelves by the time development wrapped up

That is a good point. Also, iirc the game was super rushed, and given the sheer lack of unfinishedness, that probably means it was released in its alpha stages. No amount of copying would fix that.

 

[Pillow]

I'd argue that buying the game makes your criticisms more valid since you have a primary source for your claims. Perhaps buying the DLC to a game you don't like is unwise, but criticizing a game you bought shouldn't be weird or anything.

Honestly, Pokémon Shield was the most fun I've had with the series in a while, which bugs me even more because if it was actually built with the time and care it needed (and respected the intelligence of its audience) it would probably be amazing.


I-Isn't that the one with the super edgy/creepypasta plot?

Yeah SwSh mostly disappointed precisely because of the missed potential. It could’ve been really great but missed the mark on a lot of areas. Honestly it seems that GF struggles a lot with adapting to new technology I wish they just went back to sprite art so they could focus on the gameplay and story and such.

And yes the reborns plot is utter garbage to a point of ridiculousness, but the fact that it’s an actually challenging pokemon game between the actual battles and the overworld puzzles made me really enjoy the game. Definitely not for everyone but if you had some free time (the game is very long) and had a pokemon itch to scratch I’d recommend It.

Not that I think the subplot was good at all, but I guess you don't like Roger Rabbit and Jessica Rabbit?

It’s not the same!

 

[SKX31]

Well it’s ok to criticize even if you bought the game. I just feel like most people who did buy SwSh enjoyed it for what it was worth. Hardcore pokemon fans just have to accept the fact that GF will continue to be able to come up with this type of product and still get away with it and make bank because pokemon has become too big to fall.

It's also worth highlighting how a lot of people (incl. a lot of press people) talk about games - including Nintendo games. Quoting an article on Nintendo's comeback in South Korea (after Nintendo of Korea almost folded during the Wii U period - the DS and Wii did well there):

Nintendo, the Kyoto-based game company, returned to Korea. After almost disappearing over the past decade in the storm of mobile and online games, it is returning to the market with Switch, a retro console that marries the latest technology with old favorites, like Pokemon. A 41-year-old surnamed Kim, a father of three, recently found his new favorite hobby: playing Switch. His two favorite games are Diablo 3 and Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, both of which he used to enjoy years ago at attending university.

He now plays the latest versions.

Notice how Nintendo's talked about in this opening statement. The Switch is described as a retro console because of its games. Notice that the article makes an assumption that "Games are very much connected to the IP, to the point they are unchanged through the years" (especially with "the latest versions"). Mr. Kim here would've been in his early 30s when Diablo 3 released, and while people in their early 30s do attend universities it's a tad more likely the article's implying Diablo 2 - when he was in his 20s. The fact that BotW made enourmous changes to the Zelda formula is not mentioned.

In Sword's / Shield's case, that might help reinforce the point you were making. Really, Pokemon being relatively static does not really matter that much, especially when it's considered an "old favorite" (combined with emotional investment not being that high).

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Do I know you?

I mean, I been doing as well as a retail clerk can be during a pandemic panic but... do I know you?

I mean you would know me under a different name but yes, you know me.

Never mind then.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

To be completely fair, GameFAQS and ResetEra have registered usernames. All the other ones are on anonymous boards so it’s more of a gamble, but when usernames are on the line there’s a bit of vetting involved, at least that’s how I see it

and GFAQs isn’t as strict on vetting as Era

and yet, both gamefaqs and resetera are both cesspools. Clearly vetting doesnt work much on resetera

 

[CannonStreak]

My mentioning of my comparison of Sonic 06 and Pokemon Sword and Shield's development aside, are we really comparing those two games at all? I mean, they are two different games, with two different outcomes in quality.

 

[ahemtoday]

It’s not the same!

I don't really see what the difference is.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

and yet, both gamefaqs and resetera are both cesspools. Clearly vetting doesnt work much on resetera

Meant in terms of insider credibility but you’re not wrong about each place’s overall awfulness

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I mean you would know me under a different name but yes, you know me.

Never mind then.

Are you Nate?

 

[Pillow]

I don't really see what the difference is.

In the context of who framed Roger Rabbit, Jessica Rabbit isn’t a human. She’s a cartoon like Roger. They’re the same species and their relationship doesn’t feel as alien as Sonic x Human girl.

It's also worth highlighting how a lot of people (incl. a lot of press people) talk about games - including Nintendo games. Quoting an article on Nintendo's comeback in South Korea (after Nintendo of Korea almost folded during the Wii U period - the DS and Wii did well there):



Notice how Nintendo's talked about in this opening statement. The Switch is described as a retro console because of its games. Notice that the article makes an assumption that "Games are very much connected to the IP, to the point they are unchanged through the years" (especially with "the latest versions"). Mr. Kim here would've been in his early 30s when Diablo 3 released, and while people in their early 30s do attend universities it's a tad more likely the article's implying Diablo 2 - when he was in his 20s. The fact that BotW made enourmous changes to the Zelda formula is not mentioned.

In Sword's / Shield's case, that might help reinforce the point you were making. Really, Pokemon being relatively static does not really matter that much, especially when it's considered an "old favorite" (combined with emotional investment not being that high).

Yeah, the thing about pokemon games is they’ll always be somewhat enjoyable, if only because the series has barely budged an inch in the 25 years since its conception. Catch cute things have them beat up other cute things - a solid formula.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Assuming we get a February reveal which I doubt, worth keeping an eye on KOS-MOS.

XenoSaga first released in February 2002 and if that leak with her, Reimu, and Crash is anything to go by...

Though chances are this is likely not the case and also probably fake but just trying to keep speculation kicking.

 

[CannonStreak]

It’s not the same!

The Untold Truth Of Sonic The Hedgehog (looper.com)

Look at the very part under the first paragraph.

I bet you were glad this did not happen!

How is it not the same, by the way?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yeah SwSh mostly disappointed precisely because of the missed potential. It could’ve been really great but missed the mark on a lot of areas. Honestly it seems that GF struggles a lot with adapting to new technology I wish they just went back to sprite art so they could focus on the gameplay and story and such.

Since the lack of time is the biggest factor at play here, I'm not sure going back to sprite art would even help since you'd have to start from scratch. At least with 3D they don't have to redo the Pokémon.

EDIT: Also I question the idea that spritework is easier than 3D modeling but I don't really know anything about that.

And yes the reborns plot is utter garbage to a point of ridiculousness, but the fact that it’s an actually challenging pokemon game between the actual battles and the overworld puzzles made me really enjoy the game. Definitely not for everyone but if you had some free time (the game is very long) and had a pokemon itch to scratch I’d recommend It.

Eh, I think I'll still pass. I'm fine with mature themes in family friendly series, but I don't really want gruesome death in my Pokémon game.

That reminds me, I did actually play Pokémon Uranium out of curiosity and...It's pretty bad. I don't know if I just had particularly bad Pokémon or if the balancing was garbo or what but my team would constantly struggle against everything. Maybe with the exception of wild Pokémon, but I honestly can't remember.

 

[SharkLord]

Assuming we get a February reveal which I doubt, worth keeping an eye on KOS-MOS.

XenoSaga first released in February 2002 and if that leak with her, Reimu, and Crash is anything to go by...

Though chances are this is likely not the case and also probably fake but just trying to keep speculation kicking.

Why are we looking at anniversaries now? Is Bamco holding a Xenosaga event next month?

 

[ahemtoday]

In the context of who framed Roger Rabbit, Jessica Rabbit isn’t a human. She’s a cartoon like Roger. They’re the same species and their relationship doesn’t feel as alien as Sonic x Human girl.

I... legitimately don't see why that distinction matters. Yeah, I guess they are the same species, but they definitely look like an anthro rabbit and a human in a relationship.

Besides, the Sonic game canon has never really considered there to be a difference between the humans and anthro animals, anyway.

 

[RileyXY1]

Assuming we get a February reveal which I doubt, worth keeping an eye on KOS-MOS.

XenoSaga first released in February 2002 and if that leak with her, Reimu, and Crash is anything to go by...

Though chances are this is likely not the case and also probably fake but just trying to keep speculation kicking.

I think that it is. I can't see them selecting KOS-MOS. Sure, Monolith Soft loves her, but they would have to convince Namco Bandai, Nintendo's executives, and Sakurai to back a character that had a remaster cancelled because NB believed that it wasn't profitable enough.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I... legitimately don't see why that distinction matters. Yeah, I guess they are the same species, but they definitely look like an anthro rabbit and a human in a relationship.

Besides, the Sonic game canon has never really considered there to be a difference between the humans and anthro animals, anyway.

I think the point is that Jessica's blatantly not a human whereas every human in 06 is supposed to be a realistic human. Also, Jessica and Roger's relationship is a jome, Elise and Sonic is meant to be serious

 

[CannonStreak]

I think the point is that Jessica's blatantly not a human whereas every human in 06 is supposed to be a realistic human. Also, Jessica and Roger's relationship is a jome, Elise and Sonic is meant to be serious

The characters in Sonic 06 may be realistic looking, but aren't they still 3D cartoons?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Why are we looking at anniversaries now?

You must be new here, person who frequently visits this thread

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The characters in Sonic 06 may be realistic looking, but aren't they still 3D cartoons?

Yes, but they represent real people (and canonically, Sonic is also a real creature in that world). I guess the distinction that the rabbits are very much not real beings that aren't beholden to the same rules as ours causes the relationship to not give off bestiality vibes. That and/or how straight the relationship is played.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Why are we looking at anniversaries now? Is Bamco holding a Xenosaga event next month?

I mean, wasn’t Sephiroth revealed on the anniversary of the FF series?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I mean, wasn’t Sephiroth revealed on the anniversary of the FF series?

Nope.

His presentation and early release were on the anniversary of the franchise though.

 

[CannonStreak]

Yes, but they represent real people (and canonically, Sonic is also a real creature in that world). I guess the distinction that the rabbits are very much not real beings that aren't beholden to the same rules as ours causes the relationship to not give off bestiality vibes. That and/or how straight the relationship is played.

Yeah, I realize the bolded part. Still, as unchangable as that may be, Sonic and Roger Rabbit are still humanoid, cartoon animals, and Sonic was a cartoon animal from the start. Plus, if I remember correctly, Elise was the one who took the love seriously. Sonic did not seem to notice or be into it that much.

 

[Pillow]

I... legitimately don't see why that distinction matters. Yeah, I guess they are the same species, but they definitely look like an anthro rabbit and a human in a relationship.

Besides, the Sonic game canon has never really considered there to be a difference between the humans and anthro animals, anyway.

It might not matter to most people, but there is a distinction, and it matters to me. I didn’t really know that about the Sonic universe...tbh I sort of envisioned sonic and co living in their world that didn’t have any humans except Eggman.

Since the lack of time is the biggest factor at play here, I'm not sure going back to sprite art would even help since you'd have to start from scratch. At least with 3D they don't have to redo the Pokémon.

EDIT: Also I question the idea that spritework is easier than 3D modeling but I don't really know anything about that.


Eh, I think I'll still pass. I'm fine with mature themes in family friendly series, but I don't really want gruesome death in my Pokémon game.

That reminds me, I did actually play Pokémon Uranium out of curiosity and...It's pretty bad. I don't know if I just had particularly bad Pokémon or if the balancing was garbo or what but my team would constantly struggle against everything. Maybe with the exception of wild Pokémon, but I honestly can't remember.

I meant for future works, not so much for SwSh. Sure they had the 3D model from the 3ds games but many people have noted they sort of look like **** on the switch anyway, mostly because of how flat their animations are.

I also didn’t enjoy Uranium much. Not because it was too hard but I found the difficulty to be sort of inorganic forced, like the gym leaders would just straight up have pokemon with cheater stats. Reborn had unique weather effect fields for each gym that was symmetrical, so you could use them as well but obviously it always favored the gym leaders specialty type. I also hate fanmade pokemon. That said if you found uranium to be difficult then yeah, probably reborn isn’t your cup of tea. I also prefer pokemon to stay family friendly, and the murder and stuff wasn’t like overblown exactly but it was there and definitely unnecessary.

 

[chocolatejr9]

This is a pretty good point. If I recall correctly Sonic 2006 was the follow up of a couple other rather poorly received 3D sonic games ( I remember one was Heroes don’t remember the other) so it also sort of acted as resounding proof that Sonic Team really never learns from its past mistakes and instead prefers to double down on them.

Also the sickening feeling the romantic subplot between Sonic the Hedgehog and a human teenage girl gave me could never be defeated by the likes of poor texture rendering.

Imagine my surprise when I found out Sonic 06 was considered one of the worst games of all time.

Then again, I somehow managed to avoid all the glitches...