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Damn bros, no DK, Link, Samus, Hero, Sonic and more, they're based off of King Kong, Peter Pan, Ripley, Goku, Bill Clinton and more. This is totally the case and not a thinly veiled excuse to dismiss a character who goes against the character I focus on during any and all speculation
you have not added anything; the thing about other crossovers still including the emblem literally proves the point. we already know he is owned by disney and was blocked.
Ben Holt
was making, that sora was inherently nigh-impossible because of the presence of other disney content. you, while arguing against us, have proven our point about it being a non-issue.
I think you missed his argument.
I just doublechecked and yeah I misread it, my mistake and apologies to M
I mean you could replace Mickey and all the Disney with other stuff without effecting the plot, but that doesn’t really matter. It’s not Arxurth the wizard it’s ****ing Mickey Mouse.
Fixed.
I'm not sure I'd use SF2 as a metric for, well, anything. As good of a flash game as it may be, it's still a flash game with a far smaller budget than the one Nintendo gives Sakurai to develop Smash. If we're talking about Sora's moveset specifically, then sure, he definitely doesn't need to have anything Disney related there (though Disney summons are something Sora does in his base game and can be reflected here if Sakurai wanted to). Every DLC character thus far has brought tons of extra content from their games in the forms of the stage, music, and spirits. I don't see why Kingdom Hearts would be any different. Sakurai would want to bring all elements of a game in. So heartless, organiztion XIII, all the oc keyblade wielders would be there of course, but so would the Disney stuff. They're all parts of the same whole.Fixed.
Jokes aside, even Smash Flash 2, a fan game that has anime characters as part of its roster, has Sora's keychain and Final Smash as the only Disney references, instead focusing entirely on KH-original content. So yeah, it's pretty much doable.
And I mean, so long as Sakurai can change it, I'd argue he would. I mean, he put the Smash emblem in the middle of the KoF logo already. I really doubt that one is an issue unless Disney is uber whiny.
Like, not even "corporate level whiny", just "beyond all reason whiny". Which I doubt, because they would know how much money a Challenger Pack could net them, especially with Sora being a huge fan request.
we do want him with without(well, less so me; i have others i'd like); we were pointing out how little there actually is to bring, and how mostly unimportant it is to bring, to counter claims of disney content inherently invalidating him somehow.
...but I didn't see anyone claiming disney content inherently invalidated him. I believe the sentiment was that if Sora were to be added to Smash, then he would bring a certain amount of Disney content with him as was appropriate.
the logic used in these quotes when considered in combination with
Ben Holt
's insistence on it being necessary are the argument we're countering.
but where the heck is my pogo tail samurai). But it also doesn't seem that farfetch'd to think Sakurai would want to do the source material justice, which for all we know he's the biggest Goofy fanboy in the world and he put his foot down if there's no hyuck codecs, Mii outfits and so on. More than that, it really isn't hard at all to just stop thinking once "pay Disney" comes to mind.
I mean, Summons aren't really a core mechanic of KH - at least not compared to Sora's acrobatic moves and magic, which are used much more frequently. Even in FF, all the Summons got was a stage cameo in Midgar.
Idon
pointed out before. Most of KH's original content is far more important to its identity these days than Frozen or Lion King or Mulan or whatever.Jokes on you. Im Chilean so whatever goes on in the US doesn't really care or interest me. Bring on the Alternate Universe mate.
I mean a lot of people, myself included, used to see Sephiroth as unlikely
There’s still only 3 slots left anyways so even if an oddball character got im not sure it would effect the chances of others characters, other than their chances across the board being hurt a bit from one more slot being taken.
pretty sure most of us have already had to deal with that this pack.
Yeah but I don't know how it changed your perspectives specifically
No not the chances I mean how it change how YOU assume chances are. Like for instance a lot of people say "Shantae has no chance Sans and Shovel Knight didn't get in so she won't get in " if she got in then this thinking would not only be wrong but completely flawed
i mean, for me... i guess it's made me reavaluate which characters are possible? min min restored my hope for shantae maybe getting in(though, the end is closing in enough that that's down), steve in general made me(and most people) completely reavaluate what characters can and can't get in in general(i was in the "wants it but hopeless" camp for them before they came out), plant didn't really change much for me, and those are the only real surprises that really come to mind.
Say did you get to find the quote in that specific video?
actual fake leaks, or things we made up on the spot?
i'll say shantae, and not just because i want her. she's gotten enough support and company love to already be an indie spirit(and min min was a spirit), for starters, has a long history, her creators want her in, and i've seen her series do some decent interaction with other nintendo-adjacent indie games(though, not to the same extent as shovel knight). can also make for a very dlc-y moveset.
Some people think Sans or Shovel Knight and even The Knight from HK deserve it more than her what makes you think she has a better chance?
More like "Granted, Min Min/the hype peak being over".
I'm not really sure if the first one is true. The second point is fair though, especially considering how Min Min and Incineroar got in. But the 3rd point I'm not sure about because all of these characters have moveset potential, though Tails probably has slightly less than the other 3. But the 4th one, they added Steve from Minecraft, I don't think being able to reuse assets is a priority here.
i was comparing 3 options.
actually, i was taking her into account; arms, as a whole, was one of those things that was both expect earlier but heavily dropped in expectation later, and not many expecting an arms rep expected her(most which i saw was spring man, ribbon girl, and a bit of coyle), and was enough of a surprise and weird moveset to have impact.
Ironic, considering his model is so reused from Minecraft that there's a script that lets you import your skin from your Minecraft account.
and some of them miss the key sometimes too.
Oh yes, it is. Shadow gets second place in almost all official popularity polls.
It depends on why I thought the given character was unlikely.
What is that GIF from?Me seeing people talk about Kingdom Hearts:
Let's make it clear firstly that it's not that people don't want Disney content in Smash, it's that if Disney movie content is what is holding Sora back from attending this Videogame Crossover, then most people would gladly see it go in favor of just the Kingdom Hearts original content.
The main point of contention is therefore:
"Sora must come with Disney movie content and that is why he CAN'T make it to Smash"
vs
"Sora does not need to come with Disney movie content and that is why he CAN make it to Smash."
You'll find people that like and dislike KH on either side of the fence because it's an argument that's more speculative than reliant on personal taste.
Now personally speaking, (just opinions)
I don't really care about the Disney movie content in Kingdom Hearts anymore. I haven't since the beginning of KH1 in 2002; pretty soon after starting the game it became less "KH is Disney x FF" and more "KH is a game about beating up stuff, oh look there's something from Disney/FF"
While it is cool and nostalgic to see FF characters as NPCs and Disney Worlds as the "levels" of the game, they aren't core to the story or central characters. They're used as sideshows and to exhibit whatever theme the game is trying to convey at the moment.
The only exceptions are Mickey, Donald, and Goofy but while they are important, they're not so important that I would deny the addition of Sora at their exclusion.
You could choose to just add KH original content and as a pretty big KH fan, I would not... really care. It's an extremely minor part of why I like KH as a franchise.
I still doubt Sora's getting in, because that means negotiating with Disney and apparently they're real pains in the asses when they choose to be, but the "Disney content" argument always seemed flimsy to me.
That's the tall lady everyone's simping for from Resident Evil 8.
Scoliosis Jones
would you accept her instead of Leon, Chris or Jill?