Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I don't expect any new Poke Balls unless we're getting a new Pokemon fighter, and even then it's unlikely.

You're such a pessimist that sometimes, I think your expecations are that Sakurai and Nintendo will cancel the Pass entirely

Joking aside, all you do is say what you don't expect, so I'm curious; what do you expect?

 

[RileyXY1]

I'm sorry for sounding like someone who thinks Geno still has a chance, but you do know that model was recycled from Smash 4, right? And why wouldn't they use the model as a base to help them get started?

Because it would be a waste to add a Mii Fighter costume as DLC only to make them fully playable later. Geno is dead, people. Move on please.

 

[Guynamednelson]

what do you expect?

Apparently, Reese Worthington, even though Backyard Sports games were never released in Japan and he's not the Min Min to Pablo's Spring Man.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Apparently, Reese Worthington, even though Backyard Sports games were never released in Japan and he's not the Min Min to Pablo's Spring Man.

I think I'll wait on confirmation before reacting,

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It's easy to touch up an old costume. It's a lot harder to make it premium since it's more than just a few better textures. Both require licensing to reuse or use a new costume either way.

Geno's situation is that he's just an old returning costume with a little extra work done. Bomberman's costume is an all new one reworked from his AT with actual color changes and more textures and work. New costumes require more work than touching up old ones. What this means? They're not in the same actual situation(though I won't deny there isn't much of a difference). The only key difference overall is returning costumes were likely to happen anyway since they require very little work and at most, decent money to license for Ultimate. The workload does matter, after all.

For the record, while I think Geno is dead, the fact he isn't an actual new costume(which a Premium would be, mind you) does change the situation. So I understand where the hope is coming from. And no, there is no "paying twice for a character" here. You're paying for an old costume that was bound to come back anyway and an all new character with tons of unique content(music, a stage, a unique moveset, and 8 outright costumes). Notice how no Premium came with both 8 costumes and music? Exactly. Mii Costumes are not comparable content to a Playable Character Pack.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It's easy to touch up an old costume. It's a lot harder to make it premium since it's more than just a few better textures. Both require licensing to reuse or use a new costume either way.

Geno's situation is that he's just an old returning costume with a little extra work done. Bomberman's costume is an all new one reworked from his AT with actual color changes and more textures and work. New costumes require more work than touching up old ones. What this means? They're not in the same actual situation(though I won't deny there isn't much of a difference). The only key difference overall is returning costumes were likely to happen anyway since they require very little work and at most, decent money to license for Ultimate. The workload does matter, after all.

For the record, while I think Geno is dead, the fact he isn't an actual new costume(which a Premium would be, mind you) does change the situation. So I understand where the hope is coming from. And no, there is no "paying twice for a character" here. You're paying for an old costume that was bound to come back anyway and an all new character with tons of unique content(music, a stage, a unique moveset, and 8 outright costumes). Notice how no Premium came with both 8 costumes and music? Exactly. Mii Costumes are not comparable content to a Playable Character Pack.

Now you're giving them hope, so the Geno talks really will never end until the DLC does, Irene.

just joking.....hopefully

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I don't expect any new Poke Balls unless we're getting a new Pokemon fighter...

Really? 'Cuz I expect our next Dark Souls character to bring new Poké Ball summons.

It will not contain a Pokémon. After the update, there is now a 1% chance an eldritch horror will pop out.

It still sucks for modeling artists who have to work on Geno twice solely because Sakurai, Nintendo and Square wanted to prank the fanbase.

I'm not sure they'd care. They're still getting paid and it's for something else so it's not quite the same as just "do it again".

They're not gonna add Geno but I doubt this is a reason why.

 

[Eldrake]

Aside from speculation already being a disaster:

OTOH I would welcome the opportunity, since my most wanted - a certain beautiful disaster of a game - has a lot of potential DLC ATs. Namely, characters with giant AoE 4 secs stuns.

Imagining that in Smash fills me with both enourmous amounts of joy and an overwhelming sense of dread.

I could see Tidehunter as an excellent assist trophy. Shooting gushes around, whacking nearby enemies with his anchor, and when he has to leave the battle, he releases a ravage, at which point tentacles erupt from the ground and stuns anyone unfortunate enough to be hit by them.

 

[RileyXY1]

I'm departing this thread and I will no longer post here. Goodbye.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I'm departing this thread and I will no longer post here. Goodbye.

That was...sudden.
Goodbye.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I'm not sure they'd care. They're still getting paid and it's for something else so it's not quite the same as just "do it again".

They didn't care when they had to model Mii costumes of characters that were already fighters in Smash 4.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That was...sudden.
Goodbye.

Not the first time he's done that.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm departing this thread and I will no longer post here. Goodbye.

Alright. Take care Riley!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Now you're giving them hope, so the Geno talks really will never end until the DLC does, Irene.

just joking.....hopefully

If it makes you feel any better, I don't think this makes Geno more likely. I think he's dead too.

It's just that the argument has a hole in it.

The way I look at it is more a case of licensing; Nintendo itself is probably not going to license a returning costume if the character is already there. What's the benefit for them? Nothing. The benefit for a company is getting more revenue, yes. So Square-Enix would say yes, etc. Though to be fair, I think it's Sephiroth being playable that had a much bigger impact on Geno's chances than costumes I personally feel were going to return regardless. That doesn't mean Nintendo won't do it, either.

The whole "pay for the character twice" is inaccurate overall, but it's the argument being framed poorly to misunderstand the reason why anyway. The costumes returning looks a lot more like "we had no plans to make him playable, so we're bringing it back to satisfy the fans. Also, they need touching up." I'm sure Premium with a Song would've been a lotttttt better for the fanbase. Well, most, anyway. Some hate the idea, but at least it's some new SMRPG content which is a step up.

That said, it'd be a lot different for the fans if Geno was Premium(meaning major work was done, not tiny work).

 

[Deleted member]

I'm departing this thread and I will no longer post here. Goodbye.

Ok, see you on serebii

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Speaking as someone who is a Geno fan and was cautiously optimistic for a good two years, I have no problem saying that the Smash 4 costume is the extent of what' he's getting in Ultimate. While I'll always think not upgrading the facial model of the Mii was a waste, I can also say that if Sakurai and company were going to do something significant with him, they would have done so, and likely not brought the Smash 4 Mii elements back like they did. Its done, they felt that what they included was enough and while disappointing, it is what it is.

If anything happens with him again in the future, it'll be related with the next game (however likely or unlikely that is). For now all one can do is lament what could have been and move on.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Say, did they update the Geno Spirit if you have the mii costume?

 

[SneakyLink]

Say, did they update the Geno Spirit if you have the mii costume?

No, only spirits updated to have the Mii costume if purchased are as follows:
Ryo Sakazaki (still Mii Brawler but costume changes)
All Cuphead spirits (All instances of Mega Man change to Mii Gunner wearing Cuphead and music changes to Floral Fury)
Ninjara (changes from Greninja)
Creeper (changes from G&W)
Piglin (changes from Alex)
Tifa (outfit change, Mii Brawler regardless of costume purchase)
Barret (outfit change, Mii Gunner regardless of costume purchase)
Aerith (changes from Zelda)

 

[Perkilator]

Here's something I wanna preach with Sora:

With all that being said, I don't think anybody here thinks Sora's rights would be easy to obtain, but that's not really something to concern ourselves with when that's an argument you could use against most 3rd party characters in the roster. The most difficult amongst them being . We barely even know the circumstances for the FF7 content we received outside of the fact that Nintendo had to go through several different companies to get it. An issue far removed from Sora because Nintendo only has to go through 2. At most. And both seem to already be on good terms with the company considering the support shown for the Switch, SEs content being promoted in Smash, and the collaborations Disney had with Nintendo.

 

[Paraster]

No, only spirits updated to have the Mii costume if purchased are as follows:
Ryo Sakazaki (still Mii Brawler but costume changes)
All Cuphead spirits (All instances of Mega Man change to Mii Gunner wearing Cuphead and music changes to Floral Fury)
Ninjara (changes from Greninja)
Creeper (changes from G&W)
Piglin (changes from Alex)
Tifa (outfit change, Mii Brawler regardless of costume purchase)
Barret (outfit change, Mii Gunner regardless of costume purchase)
Aerith (changes from Zelda)

Seems they're only keeping this concept in mind for newly-added spirits and not going back to edit older ones...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Seems they're only keeping this concept in mind for newly-added spirits and not going back to edit older ones...

Ninjara technically was in base, but before Min Min’s board he was summon only iirc

 

[Fluttershy64]

If Cinderace were to get in, what gender people it would be? I’ve seen people say it could be either. What are your guy’s thoughts?

 

[osby]

If Cinderace were to get in, what gender people it would be? I’ve seen people say it could be either. What are your guy’s thoughts?

Both, just like every other Pokemon in the Smash except Mewtwo.

 

[SneakyLink]

If Cinderace were to get in, what gender people it would be? I’ve seen people say it could be either. What are your guy’s thoughts?

Pokémon characters have usually been referred to as "it" in Smash. Exceptions exist such as Pikachu Libre and Spiky Ear Pichu being defined as Female.

So I expect Cinderance to be referred to as "it" assuming Cinderance makes the cut.

 

[Otoad64]

Both, just like every other Pokemon in the Smash except Mewtwo.

pretty sure the jigglypuff in smash is specifically female

 

[Mushroomguy12]

If Cinderace were to get in, what gender people it would be? I’ve seen people say it could be either. What are your guy’s thoughts?

All starters have a 87.5 to 12.5 male to female gender ratio, but Cinderace doesn't have any gender differences so there's really no way to tell either way.

 

[Louie G.]

If Cinderace were to get in, what gender people it would be? I’ve seen people say it could be either. What are your guy’s thoughts?

I've always defaulted to calling Cinderace a girl, it's arbitrary but pretty deeply engrained at this point so I don't see myself breaking away from that.

 

[osby]

pretty sure the jigglypuff in smash is specifically female

I never saw any official material confirm Jigglypuff's gender. It being a female seems more like a common fan headcanon than anything.

 

[Fluttershy64]

pretty sure the jigglypuff in smash is specifically female

Yeah, she is. So are some of the Pokeballs (Snivy). I’m assuming they base it off on the anime.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I think there's a decent case to be made for at least Lucario to be considered male, assuming it appears to be the exact same one featured in the eighth Pokemon movie given it's shared voice actors since 4 and it's ability to properly speak rather than the usual grunts and cries, just like the one in the film. That one's confirmed male. Even snake's codec with it uses the "he/him" pronouns

Spoiler: Lucario and The Mystery of Mew spoilers

it'd also make him one of the few canonically dead characters on the roster, given his fate at the end of the film

 

[Hinata]

There could also be a case made that Greninja is male in Smash, because only male Greninja can achieve the Ash-Greninja form.

In a less all-encompassing manner, Pichu could also be female because Spiky-Eared Pichu is always female.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

As far as I know, the genders of each Pokémon are:
Male:

Unknown, or genderless, but male coded:
(One of those "why can this be a girl?" Pokémon)
Female:
(Pikachu Libre)(Spiky Eared)
Unknown, but female coded:

Unknown:

 

[Ivander]

I never saw any official material confirm Jigglypuff's gender. It being a female seems more like a common fan headcanon than anything.

Wasn't Jigglypuff only available as a female in Generation 2 before a later generation made it a 25%Male/75%Female ratio?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

As far as I know, the genders of each Pokémon are:
Male:

Unknown, or genderless, but male coded:
(One of those "why can this be a girl?" Pokémon)
Female:
(Pikachu Libre)(Spiky Eared)
Unknown, but female coded:

Unknown:

Ah yes, , my favorite Pokémon.

 

[DarthEnderX]

It still sucks for modeling artists who have to work on Geno twice solely because Sakurai, Nintendo and Square wanted to prank the fanbase.

Well lucky them, cause the modelers didn't do **** porting over that ugly-ass Smash 4 costume.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

If Cinderace were to get in, what gender people it would be? I’ve seen people say it could be either. What are your guy’s thoughts?

If their gender is not made clear, I just determine a Pokemon's gender by whether they are voiced by a Male or Female actor so:

(jp) = Female
(int)= Male

So whoever voices Cinderace in the anime will be the gender of Cinderace if it gets into Smash Bros.

 

[Guynamednelson]

If their gender is not made clear, I just determine a Pokemon's gender by whether they are voiced by a Male or Female actor so:

(jp) = Female
(int)= Male

So whoever voices Cinderace in the anime will be the gender of Cinderace if it gets into Smash Bros.

Even then I'm not sure if that's the best way to indicate it for non-fully-evolved Pokemon, considering female voice actors usually voice younger characters regardless of gender.

Also Cinderace's VA is female, so take that as you will.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Ah yes, , my favorite Pokémon.

That's why I'm so glad #pokemonmastersex (lul) exists, as now we can truly catch 'em all.

 

[osby]

If their gender is not made clear, I just determine a Pokemon's gender by whether they are voiced by a Male or Female actor so:

(jp) = Female
(int)= Male

So whoever voices Cinderace in the anime will be the gender of Cinderace if it gets into Smash Bros.

Nice Cyberpunk 2077 reference.

 

[SKX31]

Spoiler: Lucario and The Mystery of Mew spoilers

it'd also make him one of the few canonically dead characters on the roster, given his fate at the end of the film

To be fair, the Pokemon Universe runs on:

And Nintendo reassured us that Luigi's okay... right? (No word on Mario or Megaman though)