Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Mushroomguy12]

Hey, either way a Monkey King would get in (as with any other video game Monkey King, seriously that guy is all over the place), so I consider it a win of sorts. Especially since it's the type of character no one would expect, but a character based around that would be fun to play as.

Some sick tunes as well.

 

[Simplythe1]

Something that bugs me whenever non gaming characters are brought up: why is it always Goku? Why not try a different character like... Minky Momo?

CHAINSAW-SAMA!!!

 

[Firox]

Please don't put Goku and "Evolves" in the same sentence. Ever.

Ugh. An abomination only topped by M. Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender.

 

[Greyfox22]

Something that bugs me whenever non gaming characters are brought up: why is it always Goku? Why not try a different character like... Minky Momo?

I kinda wish people would just leave non-gaming characters out of it, but c`mon Goku? For the 100th time? Someone please make a Minky Momo moveset.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Ugh. An abomination only topped by M. Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender.

I guess anime/cartoons and video games do share some things in common after all.

 

[cashregister9]

Something that bugs me whenever non gaming characters are brought up: why is it always Goku? Why not try a different character like... Minky Momo?

This may just be my current Hyper-fixation speaking but

Kamen Rider Ex-Aid

He Even fought a guy named Dr. Pacman and equipped not only Pac-mans boxing gloves but also plays Taiko No Tatsujin

 

[7NATOR]

I have a bold prediction. I’m not sure if this’ll will age poorly in the coming months or not but... I think the last 3 characters will all be coming from unrepresented companies. The big ones I can think of are Falcom who has NO content at all and is what I would consider the SNK of this pass. Arc System Works who I find is actually quite suspicious with having a random spirit event but nothing else. And Koei-Tecmo who is probably the most obvious choice with how close they are with Nintendo. Other studios I would say make sense are Activision, Bethesda, and Ubisoft though I’ve noticed that western companies are often not as high up on the list as Japanese companies.

However, here’s the kicker. I don’t think the Lloyd or Monster Hunter costumes are coming back this pass. I think we’re getting post Pass 2 DLC and we’re getting a Namco and a Capcom character then.

Whether it’s Pass 3 or individual DLC, I think those two companies have dipped in and out of speculation and may be in a Sephiroth/Steve situation where the deals just weren’t finalized in time for Pass 2.

Big prediction but I think it’s a reasonable possibility.

Interesting. I Don't necessarily agree, but if this were to happen, I'm not sure if Namco and Capcom would be the only Companies implicated in this

It's possible that Microsoft and Square could also get characters in a Hypothetical Pass 3 as well, along with other New Companies like Tencent/Riot I say this for a number of reasons

-I'm sure Chief was also in the Talking phase. Imran did note both Chief and Sora, and from a Logical standpoint there's no way talks for Chief did not happen, though unlike Sora, there's been no indication from rumors that talks for Chief failed, so it's possible as of right now, Talks are still in Progress, but not for this pass of course, but Maybe Pass 3 or next game

-Sakurai met with Yoko Taro, the Creator of Nier in December of 2019. I'm sure talks of Nier content in Smash took place, especially since Yoko likes putting 2B in Crossovers, but she didn't come with Sephiroth's Mii costume wave. I personally think she might come later in this pass as a Mii Costume, but it's also possible disucssions were for her as a Character in Pass 3. That also might be where Crono (since he was in Seven Squares) could also appear. RIP Geno again though

-Tencent/Riot have been talking with Nintendo heavily, with stuff like the Switch in China, Pokemon MOBA, and the League of Legends spinoff games coming to Switch. Riot also is very interested in one of their characters in Smash, since they made a whole Project M Mod with their characters in it. They might be in Discussions right now

There's other Companies like Cygames, Activison (Perhaps for Crash), and maybe some Indie content as well. yes

 

[SpectreJordan]

I have a bold prediction. I’m not sure if this’ll will age poorly in the coming months or not but... I think the last 3 characters will all be coming from unrepresented companies. The big ones I can think of are Falcom who has NO content at all and is what I would consider the SNK of this pass. Arc System Works who I find is actually quite suspicious with having a random spirit event but nothing else. And Koei-Tecmo who is probably the most obvious choice with how close they are with Nintendo. Other studios I would say make sense are Activision, Bethesda, and Ubisoft though I’ve noticed that western companies are often not as high up on the list as Japanese companies.

However, here’s the kicker. I don’t think the Lloyd or Monster Hunter costumes are coming back this pass. I think we’re getting post Pass 2 DLC and we’re getting a Namco and a Capcom character then.

Whether it’s Pass 3 or individual DLC, I think those two companies have dipped in and out of speculation and may be in a Sephiroth/Steve situation where the deals just weren’t finalized in time for Pass 2.

Big prediction but I think it’s a reasonable possibility.

I’m 100% down for this. I think there’s a decent chance that we do get one final set of DLC after FP2.

Nintendo was bragging about how well FP2 was doing BEFORE Steve & Sephiroth. It’s probably doing even better now. Plus, I can see Sakurai being inspired by Tekken 7/Street Fighter V’s prolonged post-launch support & give Smash fans one final present. He might be working on this series for ages, but he loves the fans.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I’m 100% down for this. I think there’s a decent chance that we do get one final set of DLC after FP2.

Nintendo was bragging about how well FP2 was doing BEFORE Steve & Sephiroth. It’s probably doing even better now. Plus, I can see Sakurai being inspired by Tekken 7/Street Fighter V’s prolonged post-launch support & give Smash fans one final present. He might be working on this series for ages, but he loves the fans.

There’s also the fact that with SFV’s fifth season they ACTUALLY said publically it would be the last. So far sakurai has only said “no plans at the moment” and ONLY in famitsu publications

 

[SirBillyBob]

LEAKED image of Goku's alternative costume:

 

[Vintage Creep]

Nintendo purists thought third party characters would ruin the franchise in the pre-brawl days, and now video game purists like you think non-video game characters will ruin the series.

Its really not a hard rule that Goku cannot be in smash, just that Sakurai stated e would not do it some years ago. We don't know even know why Sakurai said that, it may not have even been his choice and that direction could have een coming from Nintendo.

As anyone who works in project management or operations knows, project requirements and limitations change with time. I don't think Goku would be a corporate sell out, but instead giving fans what they want. Just like Nintendo did all they could with first party characters and had to move on, they'll come a point(if they haven't already reached it) where they've done all they can to keep the game fresh with gaming characters.

There is no reason to think the quality of the game would go down.

Not worth to waste time talking about anyway, since it'll never happen. Thankfully Sakurai has good taste in character selection, for the most part.

 

[SNEKeater]

I have a bold prediction. I’m not sure if this’ll will age poorly in the coming months or not but... I think the last 3 characters will all be coming from unrepresented companies. The big ones I can think of are Falcom who has NO content at all and is what I would consider the SNK of this pass. Arc System Works who I find is actually quite suspicious with having a random spirit event but nothing else. And Koei-Tecmo who is probably the most obvious choice with how close they are with Nintendo. Other studios I would say make sense are Activision, Bethesda, and Ubisoft though I’ve noticed that western companies are often not as high up on the list as Japanese companies.

However, here’s the kicker. I don’t think the Lloyd or Monster Hunter costumes are coming back this pass. I think we’re getting post Pass 2 DLC and we’re getting a Namco and a Capcom character then.

Whether it’s Pass 3 or individual DLC, I think those two companies have dipped in and out of speculation and may be in a Sephiroth/Steve situation where the deals just weren’t finalized in time for Pass 2.

Big prediction but I think it’s a reasonable possibility.

This timeline would be really cool if you ask me, even if not having a Capcom rep in Pass 2 would be a bit of a downer for me.

Though I have a hard time seeing the last 3 being from unrepped companies, but who knows. And while Falcom and ArcSys have nothing to do with each other, I would be surprised if both appeared in the same pass or back to back, considering both are relatively small developers and not really well known, specially Falcom.
I could see one getting a character but both in the same pass... I'm not feeling it, though I wouldn't complain at all if it happened.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Regarding post-pass 2 DLC, I don't think we'll get a full on third pass, since I bet Nintendo is already pushing Sakurai to work on a direct sequel possibly for the Switch Pro (if it's a real thing) releasing like in 2023/24. I also believe it'll be heavily based on Ultimate so they'll be able to port almost every character if not every single one since the "everyone is here" deal is too much easy money for them regarding sales.

I predicted a few weeks ago they would go with a final pass consisting of cheaper, faster released echo fighters to "fill some voids", including characters like Dixie, Shadow, maybe some unpredictable stuff like The Boss as a Snake echo and stuff like that. Who knows though.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I swear if we get 3 new companies and none of them are Valve imma lose it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Goku's issue is pretty much licensing, but both Nintendo and Sakurai have shown to agree with the idea of "video game only" characters. Cameos and references don't really seem to care at all, but they're just fun media stuff from what is still a game series, so. It doesn't matter in that regard.

Regardless, he'd be a very neat addition, imo. On another note, when was GT made non-canon at any point? I'd like that cited please. It's not the existence of Super, since it doesn't remotely contradict the show or manga last I checked.

 

[Vintage Creep]

I swear if we get 3 new companies and none of them are Valve imma lose it.

I would love a Valve rep but there are so many companies that are more historic and connected to Nintendo I find it hard to believe we'll see anything of the sort before like Smash 8 comes around or something

 

[SharkLord]

Goku's issue is pretty much licensing, but both Nintendo and Sakurai have shown to agree with the idea of "video game only" characters. Cameos and references don't really seem to care at all, but they're just fun media stuff from what is still a game series, so. It doesn't matter in that regard.

Regardless, he'd be a very neat addition, imo. On another note, when was GT made non-canon at any point? I'd like that cited please. It's not the existence of Super, since it doesn't remotely contradict the show or manga last I checked.

I mean,

Godly transformations aren't used despite their immense power
Beerus, Whis, and Zeno are nowhere to be seen
Aren't they visiting Broly?
Frieza is alive again after Super when he was clearly shown in Hell the Home For Infinite Losers with Cell

So on and so forth

 

[Megadoomer]

I'm going to try making a prediction, though it'll likely be more pessimistic than my previous attempt (where I guessed Min Min, Steve, Geno, Ryu Hayabusa, Dante, and Impa after Steve's reveal). I don't think I'll make a prediction Fighters Pass after CP9 is released, though - it seems like it would be easier to guess when there's only two spots left.

Monster Hunter: I'll preface this by saying that I'd prefer to see Dante, and I feel like he's at least as likely. However, I could see Capcom wanting to promote Monster Hunter, especially with Rise coming out, and given that Monster Hunter is (by my understanding) extremely popular in Japan, I could see them giving it the red carpet treatment - twenty or thirty songs, at least as many spirits as what FF7 got, a stage that showcases as many monsters as possible, each alternate costume being a different set of armour instead of a palette swap, an extremely detailed gimmick...

I haven't enjoyed Monster Hunter from what I've played of it, but I could see them being the next character.

Ryu Hayabusa: if he doesn't make it into Smash, I'll be a little baffled. Koei-Tecmo seems to be the biggest Japanese third party that isn't in Smash at this point, he's got history stretching back to the NES days, and Koei-Tecmo is close enough to Nintendo that they've worked on multiple spin-offs and one main entry in a Nintendo franchise (Fire Emblem: Three Houses)

As for the last character, I figured we'd end on a tamer note - I was thinking it would be a blatantly promotional Nintendo character, but no Fire Emblem games have even been announced (I know "Fire Emblem bad" is a little overplayed, but every time a character seems to be added to promote a Nintendo game, Fire Emblem seems to take priority - look at Roy, Corrin, or to a lesser extent, Byleth), while Pokemon Sword and Shield will be two years old by the time that this DLC ends. (and we don't seem to get new unique Pokemon characters through DLC, if all of the DLC so far is any indication - that could easily change, but maybe the Pokemon Company or someone else involved is hesitant to do anything with DLC?)

While I was thinking that Impa or another Zelda character could be added to promote Breath of the Wild 2 if that ever comes out, it doesn't seem like the Smash Bros. development team has any interest in adding a Zelda character. (the series has its 35th anniversary this year, and its been 20 years since a new unique Zelda character became playable in Smash) Maybe we could get someone else (for example, Elma being added to promote a remastered version of Xenoblade Chronicles X), but I'm guessing...

Crash Bandicoot: Activision seems to be doing everything in their power to promote Crash Bandicoot and bring him back into the spotlight, and Smash Bros. arguably has a better line-up of Playstation all-stars than Playstation All-Stars. (along with 2/3 of Microsoft's big franchises) I don't know much about how closely Nintendo and Activision are connected (beyond the Skylander/amiibo hybrid during the Wii U days), so this seems like the biggest stretch out of my predictions.

I'm not super familiar with the Crash Bandicoot games (I've finished the third game, Crash Team Racing, and Wrath of Cortex, and I've started Crash Bandicoot 1 and 2 but reached a wall in both of them), but I figure that he wouldn't have a super crazy moveset or any ridiculous overpowered gimmick - it would be fairly straightforward, like a character from the original game or Melee. Maybe we could get Coco as an echo fighter for an added bonus, but that seems unlikely. (I don't see her being an alternate costume - if Lucina's any indication, even the slightest change in hitboxes results in a costume being split off into its own character, and it doesn't seem like Crash and Coco would have the same hitboxes)

Out of the characters that I'm predicting, Crash is probably the one that I'm the least confident about, but two of my four original predictions (Geno and Impa) were abruptly confirmed as Mii costumes or post-launch spirits since the last time that I did this (which seems to severely decrease their chances), and I figure that we're only getting one Capcom character in this fighters pass, so there aren't a ton of characters that I'm confident about at this point.

So this is how it would turn out:

This wouldn't be ideal for me, since I'd probably prefer about a dozen different Capcom characters over Monster Hunter, and while I appreciate Ninja Gaiden and Crash Bandicoot for their historical impact, I don't have much of an attachment to either series (I'm not a fan of games that are frustratingly difficult seemingly for the sake of being frustratingly difficult - I've only beaten one Ninja Gaiden game, it was apparently the easiest one, and it was still frustrating at times). However, I figure that this line-up (or at least a line-up like it) seems most likely. (Though I'm fine with being wrong)

I didn't include any Namco-Bandai characters because that company seems unusually hesitant to include their characters in Smash, even though they worked on the past two/three Smash games. I'd think that we'd get a Tekken character at some point, but I figured that character would be Heihachi, who was stuck as a Mii costume again. As much as I want Agumon, or I'd be interested to see how KOS-MOS would work, I don't know how likely they are.

Maybe the Chosen Undead (I think that's the player character from Dark Souls?) is possible, but I haven't played enough of Dark Souls to know what would set them apart from any other swordsman, or a Monster Hunter character. (all I know about Dark Souls is that there's a lot of rolling and stabbing/slashing, the gameplay is frustrating/clunky, your attacks don't do much damage against the behemoths that you're fighting, and you have to stop and wait for a while if you want to heal, which pretty much sums up my experience with playing Monster Hunter)

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Frieza is alive again after Super when he was clearly shown in Hell the Home For Infinite Losers with Cell

Uh, didn't Goku also go there? If he could escape before he even fought Frieza I'd imagine pretty much any major character can get out. Granted, I don't think they can revive themselves either but being in heck doesn't seem like the biggest roadblock.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I swear if we get 3 new companies and none of them are Valve imma lose it.

There is like, 0 reason for Valve and Nintendo to have discussions right now unfortunately unlike Activision, Ubisoft, and Bethesda who’ve all been pretty close with Nintendo as of late. Valve could still happen of course but I just think it’s unlikely for right now. Things could always change and, who knows, Sakurai likes to shock people and Gordon or Heavy or Scout would indeed be shocking. And I’d be cool with it for sure. I love TF2 and Half-life.

 

[Faso115]

Namco would force Sakurai to make Goku form have separate slots.

So praise we dont get Ultra Instinct. Or worse...

THE RAT

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I mean,

Godly transformations aren't used despite their immense power
Beerus, Whis, and Zeno are nowhere to be seen
Aren't they visiting Broly?
Frieza is alive again after Super when he was clearly shown in Hell the Home For Infinite Losers with Cell

So on and so forth

Frieza is not a contradiction at all. There is no telling if he'll get killed again later on or not. There's no official statement he's always alive. He's been resurrected and killed before in canon to begin with. It's not weird if it happens again.

There's no reason every character has to show up whatsoever. Zeno has no focus due to being focused on a deadly new threat. Why would Beerus and Whis even need to appear at that point? They did their thing. A ton of Dragon Ball characters tend to never reappear again.

Broly might be the only one of note, but the rest aren't actual contradictions. They can't be featured if they weren't created just yet. That's pretty much impossible. Like I said, there's a lack of a source and more of an assumption it writes GT out of the canon. It's not a bad assumption, but it's loose information and trying to place pieces that don't need to be there. Other than Word of God or a very hard contradiction or a remake of GT to add the new characters, there's nothing there that screams "non-canon" as of now. ...Broly ever showed up beyond the movies, though? Which have dubious canon at best(even Pokemon does a better job having canon movies than some of Dragon Ball. Don't forget that Super was nothing more than a non-canon movie at first that was just a fun sequel of The Final Chapters).

 

[Perkilator]

My Realistic Predicitons

• CP9: Crash Bandicoot
• CP10: Cinderace
• CP11: Chosen Undead

My wishlist predicitons

• CP9: Crash Bandicoot
• CP10: Chosen Undead
• CP11: Sora

 

[N3ON]

I swear if we get 3 new companies and none of them are Valve imma lose it.

Honestly, of the "big" companies, Valve is probably in the second most unlikely tier, around where Sony is, and just above EA.

 

[Faso115]

Frieza is not a contradiction at all. There is no telling if he'll get killed again later on or not. There's no official statement he's always alive. He's been resurrected and killed before in canon to begin with. It's not weird if it happens again.

There's no reason every character has to show up whatsoever. Zeno has no focus due to being focused on a deadly new threat. Why would Beerus and Whis even need to appear at that point? They did their thing. A ton of Dragon Ball characters tend to never reappear again.

Broly might be the only one of note, but the rest aren't actual contradictions. They can't be featured if they weren't created just yet. That's pretty much impossible. Like I said, there's a lack of a source and more of an assumption it writes GT out of the canon. It's not a bad assumption, but it's loose information and trying to place pieces that don't need to be there. Other than Word of God or a very hard contradiction or a remake of GT to add the new characters, there's nothing there that screams "non-canon" as of now. ...Broly ever showed up beyond the movies, though? Which have dubious canon at best(even Pokemon does a better job having canon movies than some of Dragon Ball. Don't forget that Super was nothing more than a non-canon movie at first that was just a fun sequel of The Final Chapters).

In super; Shin used the dragon balls to undo the Potara fusion, but in GT, Kibito Kai is still a thing.

Freeza is also a lot more powerful now and Resurrection F kinda retconned how Hell works.

Tuffles have dubious canonicity, which makes baby a rather strange plot point.

Oh and Super turned the Pilaf gang kids to avoid that mishap with the black dragon balls to happen ever again

 

[SvartWolf]

My Realistic Predicitons

• CP9: Crash Bandicoot
• CP10: Cinderace
• CP11: Chosen Undead

My wishlist predicitons

• CP9: Crash Bandicoot
• CP10: Chosen Undead
• CP11: Sora

from my list.. chosen undead is the only character i still have some hope for him to appear.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Frieza is not a contradiction at all. There is no telling if he'll get killed again later on or not. There's no official statement he's always alive. He's been resurrected and killed before in canon to begin with. It's not weird if it happens again.

There's no reason every character has to show up whatsoever. Zeno has no focus due to being focused on a deadly new threat. Why would Beerus and Whis even need to appear at that point? They did their thing. A ton of Dragon Ball characters tend to never reappear again.

Broly might be the only one of note, but the rest aren't actual contradictions. They can't be featured if they weren't created just yet. That's pretty much impossible. Like I said, there's a lack of a source and more of an assumption it writes GT out of the canon. It's not a bad assumption, but it's loose information and trying to place pieces that don't need to be there. Other than Word of God or a very hard contradiction or a remake of GT to add the new characters, there's nothing there that screams "non-canon" as of now. ...Broly ever showed up beyond the movies, though? Which have dubious canon at best(even Pokemon does a better job having canon movies than some of Dragon Ball. Don't forget that Super was nothing more than a non-canon movie at first that was just a fun sequel of The Final Chapters).

To be fair, Word of God is a very valid reason to assume something.

Also, Canon Broly has appeared in video games and made a cameo in the DBS manga, when Goku and Vegeta talk about the events of the new Broly movie, so there's that.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I'm serious lol, since I don't believe Sakurai will ever do it, Goku in Smash happening would mean someone else has taken control of the series and I don't expect it to remain of the same quality we've been spoiled to. So yeah, it could definitely signal its end, I'm being real here. It'll happen sooner or later that the series drops in quality nothing lives forever, but I'm confident that until Sakurai is at the helm it won't happen.

Goku in Smash would feel like such a big corporate-fueled money grabbing decision that it would open the floodgates for **** like Spiderman or Darth Vader, people would start clamoring for them and sooner or later they'd burn everything down. Honest here.

I know some people feel that Steve was also a corporate move and something like a Fortnite rep would be (I disagree, kinda), but still they make surely total sense in the rules of the franchise so why not? Kinda hard to explain, it's good to push the limits, but limits exist for a reason. Goku would be a fantastic guest for a game like Tekken, for example, if they would be able to implement that properly. Not Smash though, it has become too iconic and it's still too relevant and quality to lessen itself with these characters.

I know it's a meme, but Ridley was a meme as well. So this scares me lol. In the end though I repeat, I know it'll never happen so whatever.

In b4 he is fighter pack #11

So you're saying Smash would die because...you wouldn't like the result? I'm going to be honest and say this screams Slippery Slope fallacy.

In reality Smash will always be defined by it's Nintendo roots and platform-fighter gameplay, regardless of whatever other companies are involved and what fans clamor for. You're predicting some sort of doomsday scenario when in reality people would get hype for Goku and then immediately return to regularly scheduled speculation, except this time we get some people talking about Naruto or Spongebob or whoever before the thread goes back to Geno discussion for the umpteenth time.

In the grand scheme of things absolutely nothing would change.

 

[7NATOR]

Frieza is not a contradiction at all. There is no telling if he'll get killed again later on or not. There's no official statement he's always alive. He's been resurrected and killed before in canon to begin with. It's not weird if it happens again.

There's no reason every character has to show up whatsoever. Zeno has no focus due to being focused on a deadly new threat. Why would Beerus and Whis even need to appear at that point? They did their thing. A ton of Dragon Ball characters tend to never reappear again.

Broly might be the only one of note, but the rest aren't actual contradictions. They can't be featured if they weren't created just yet. That's pretty much impossible. Like I said, there's a lack of a source and more of an assumption it writes GT out of the canon. It's not a bad assumption, but it's loose information and trying to place pieces that don't need to be there. Other than Word of God or a very hard contradiction or a remake of GT to add the new characters, there's nothing there that screams "non-canon" as of now. ...Broly ever showed up beyond the movies, though? Which have dubious canon at best(even Pokemon does a better job having canon movies than some of Dragon Ball. Don't forget that Super was nothing more than a non-canon movie at first that was just a fun sequel of The Final Chapters).

The thing is that Goku and Vegeta never use their Godly powers in GT at all, so Unless there's some reasoning as to why they lose that power (which would be sad), GT Kinda can't explain that at all

And it's not just GT that's guilty of that, but also the End of Z, though I think they'll probably rewrite that or something

Regarding post-pass 2 DLC, I don't think we'll get a full on third pass, since I bet Nintendo is already pushing Sakurai to work on a direct sequel possibly for the Switch Pro (if it's a real thing) releasing like in 2023/24. I also believe it'll be heavily based on Ultimate so they'll be able to port almost every character if not every single one since the "everyone is here" deal is too much easy money for them regarding sales.

I predicted a few weeks ago they would go with a final pass consisting of cheaper, faster released echo fighters to "fill some voids", including characters like Dixie, Shadow, maybe some unpredictable stuff like The Boss as a Snake echo and stuff like that. Who knows though.

Personally I do think this is probably what's happening, regarding content past Pass 2, Since Sakurai said that development on Smash Ultimate will be over after these Last 6 Characters in FP2, which are much stronger statement than his words on a Potential FP2 back during the FP2 days

I honestly think it be better to save all the Development for a Special Version of Smash Ultimate (or Ultimate version of Smash Special in Japan), especially if they have characters like Master Chief in the cut, since he could sell a whole New game and stuff

I don't think we'd get any Echo Fighters in DLC though, and even if we did, I doubt Dixie and Shadow would be echoes. They theoretically could, but logically, given their own merits and abilities and in Shadow's Case, that sega has to approve everything, they wouldn't be echoes at all.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

In super; Shin used the dragon balls to undo the Potara fusion, but in GT, Kibito Kai is still a thing.

Freeza is also a lot more powerful now and Resurrection F kinda retconned how Hell works.

Tuffles have dubious canonicity, which makes baby a rather strange plot point.

Oh and Super turned the Pilaf gang kids to avoid that mishap with the black dragon balls to happen ever again

Okay, that's a lot more clear. Frieza being alive kind of means nothing since he was literally setting up to invade again(and let's be honest, he'll lose like every other time, which means he'd be almost undoubtedly killed, fixing that tiny issue. It'd take a few lines to confirm that too).

Thanks for that information.

To be fair, Word of God is a very valid reason to assume something.

Also, Canon Broly has appeared in video games and made a cameo in the DBS manga, when Goku and Vegeta talk about the events of the new Broly movie, so there's that.

GT's anime and GT's manga are different continuities. Hell, the Manga of Super has a different version of Frieza's counterpart, so they're definitely not the same thing. This also means the Broly movie is canon just the manga, but we have no clear thing(outside of Word of God) that's it's also canon to the separate anime continuity. It's almost never the case that a manga and anime are the same continuities. It's really freaking rare.

And I asked Word of God to actually be cited, which no one did, so I'm not going to assume anything without a citing.

(I'm not going to reply to more than 2 people at once. Let's make it easy to hold a conversation, please).

Okay, I got explained in more details of the various issues and got cited. Well, that explains it. Anime is its own thing(like I said), and it's confusing. Thanks for the information. But yeah, I got what I needed so nobody needs to explain any more.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

DLC Speculation Thread rn be like

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Today I learned: One of G's idle animations does about 60% of the opponent's health. And this is on Ken, who I believe is a medium health character. I'd imagine that this would kill certain low health characters outright.

Now I'm just imagining people in 8-Player Smash having a good time. The G player just stands in a corner, and then whabam! Everyone takes 100%.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Personally I do think this is probably what's happening, regarding content past Pass 2, Since Sakurai said that development on Smash Ultimate will be over after these Last 6 Characters in FP2, which are much stronger statement than his words on a Potential FP2 back during the FP2 days

I honestly think it be better to save all the Development for a Special Version of Smash Ultimate (or Ultimate version of Smash Special in Japan), especially if they have characters like Master Chief in the cut, since he could sell a whole New game and stuff

I don't think we'd get any Echo Fighters in DLC though, and even if we did, I doubt Dixie and Shadow would be echoes. They theoretically could, but logically, given their own merits and abilities and in Shadow's Case, that sega has to approve everything, they wouldn't be echoes at all.

They would/could be enhanced echoes like Ken is, which is vastly different from Ryu really, or Chrom. They still have to justify the pricetag which I think would be something like 1.99 dollars. That's the most I expect it would happen anyway, I'm not betting on a third pass even if of course I would be ecstatic for it.

 

[Greyfox22]

This might sound silly but a potential hurdle against a Dark Souls character might be their general slowness. If the Smash team wanted to create a character to accurately represent the Dark Souls series, most of their attacks would probably be pretty slow and likely have a huge amount of end lag. Since this type of character might not be very fun to play as I`m wondering if the idea would be rejected for this reason, or if there was something that could be done so a potential DS rep would play like the rest of the smash roster while still representing their series.

 

[ahemtoday]

Call me a purist if you want, but I don't want non-video-game characters in Smash. I've seen someone say they hope Smash could one day evolve to be about more than just video games, but... frankly, I resent the implication that video games aren't a good enough thing to be about.

It's not even like they would ever need to pull from non-VG sources, anyhow. I've actually been trying to put together a Smash roster with a thousand defensible characters on it, for fun. I'm up to 324 characters right now, way over triple what Ultimate's got, and all of them are video game characters.

 

[SharkLord]

This might sound silly but a potential hurdle against a Dark Souls character might be their general slowness. If the Smash team wanted to create a character to accurately represent the Dark Souls series, most of their attacks would probably be pretty slow and likely have a huge amount of end lag. Since this type of character might not be very fun to play as I`m wondering if the idea would be rejected for this reason, or if there was something that could be done so a potential DS rep would play like the rest of the smash roster while still representing their series.

After we got Min Min and Steve, I have faith that Sakurai can accurately adapt Dark Souls into Smash. They'd probably have a bunch of unique custom attributes to balance them out, like healing or a Riposte.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I have a bold prediction. I’m not sure if this’ll will age poorly in the coming months or not but... I think the last 3 characters will all be coming from unrepresented companies. The big ones I can think of are Falcom who has NO content at all and is what I would consider the SNK of this pass. Arc System Works who I find is actually quite suspicious with having a random spirit event but nothing else. And Koei-Tecmo who is probably the most obvious choice with how close they are with Nintendo. Other studios I would say make sense are Activision, Bethesda, and Ubisoft though I’ve noticed that western companies are often not as high up on the list as Japanese companies.

However, here’s the kicker. I don’t think the Lloyd or Monster Hunter costumes are coming back this pass. I think we’re getting post Pass 2 DLC and we’re getting a Namco and a Capcom character then.

Whether it’s Pass 3 or individual DLC, I think those two companies have dipped in and out of speculation and may be in a Sephiroth/Steve situation where the deals just weren’t finalized in time for Pass 2.

Big prediction but I think it’s a reasonable possibility.

This is almost what I'm predicting, except it's only the next two fighters who will be from unrepresented companies while the last one will be from Nintendo. A third pass, or just additional solo DLC fighters feels like an inevitability with how well Smash has been doing and now many companies are rushing to get in, deals have been made with multiple companies for content, but surely they never stopped there.

 

[RileyXY1]

This is almost what I'm predicting, except it's only the next two fighters who will be from unrepresented companies while the last one will be from Nintendo. A third pass, or just additional solo DLC fighters feels like an inevitability with how well Smash has been doing and now many companies are rushing to get in, deals have been made with multiple companies for content, but surely they never stopped there.

Except Sakurai might be done after FP2, and I don't think that they would do more DLC without him.

 

[Greyfox22]

Call me a purist if you want, but I don't want non-video-game characters in Smash. I've seen someone say they hope Smash could one day evolve to be about more than just video games, but... frankly, I resent the implication that video games aren't a good enough thing to be about.

It's not even like they would ever need to pull from non-VG sources, anyhow. I've actually been trying to put together a Smash roster with a thousand defensible characters on it, for fun. I'm up to 324 characters right now, way over triple what Ultimate's got, and all of them are video game characters.

Couldn`t agree more. At this point Smash is huge, it really shouldn't need to try to revitalize itself or change in some crazy way by adding Goku or whatever; all that would probably do is alienate a lot of the core audience.

Plus it's not like Smash is running out of video game characters to choose from...

 

[Firox]

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So you're saying Smash would die because...you wouldn't like the result? I'm going to be honest and say this screams Slippery Slope fallacy.

In reality Smash will always be defined by it's Nintendo roots and platform-fighter gameplay, regardless of whatever other companies are involved and what fans clamor for. You're predicting some sort of doomsday scenario when in reality people would get hype for Goku and then immediately return to regularly scheduled speculation, except this time we get some people talking about Naruto or Spongebob or whoever before the thread goes back to Geno discussion for the umpteenth time.

In the grand scheme of things absolutely nothing would change.

The only thing that would really change is that people's expectations would then shift towards anime and pop culture at large rather than simply video games as a source of future characters. While this prospect could be relatively hype, I've got to admit, our chances of predicting future characters at that rate would drop to absolute zero with the sheer amount of content the devs would have to pull from.