Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[3BitSaurus]

I see people talk about how much they liked subspace in brawl and honestly can't relate. Thought It was tedious and just an average platformer with really really annoying enemies.
It doesn't do it for me becuase it's a mode that has to work for a character like Ganon and a character like puff. Limits it a lot.
World of light is pretty on point combines events, pve, and customization into a mode that has lots of ways to play.
If smash got another mode I'd hope it's smash run not subspace 2.

I dunno, most of these "ways to play" went away after completing it once. I felt that New Game + essentially has no point besides trying earlier fights with your full deck of Spirits - which is kinda pointless anyway.

Spirit fights themselves are fun, but... man, in WoL they feel like such a drag after the first half hour. The map just keeps going and going and going until it becomes a chore.

The best parts of WoL were the series-specific segments, like the Street Fighter, DK and Castlevania ones. Because the're more self-contained and thus provide more focused fights and setpieces. I think WoL has a lot of fat that could be taken out for a more overall fun experience - a lot of Spirits also appear in the Board, so what's the point of making them roadblocks in WoL also? Keep in mind, a lot of these are against, like, Young Samus, Link (ALBW) or Rock Mario. It feels like filler at one point.

Basically, "having more food doesn't necessarily make the meal taste better".

 

[BlondeLombax]

I'm curious, what's the most white-hot take you guys have ever seen over the course of the speculation cycle? I'm talking takes that cause virtually the entire fandom to turn on the original poster.

 

[Shroob]

I'm curious, what's the most white-hot take you guys have ever seen over the course of the speculation cycle? I'm talking takes that cause virtually the entire fandom to turn on the original poster.

There was the one poster who thought that Min Min and Chun Li couldn't be in the same pass, because them both being Chinese was too much overlap.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I'm curious, what's the most white-hot take you guys have ever seen over the course of the speculation cycle? I'm talking takes that cause virtually the entire fandom to turn on the original poster.

i dont think i could survive here with any sort of long term memory when it comes to dumb takes

 

[chocolatejr9]

I'm curious, what's the most white-hot take you guys have ever seen over the course of the speculation cycle? I'm talking takes that cause virtually the entire fandom to turn on the original poster.

The closest I can think of is this one user who participates in RTC that's known for giving the same rating to almost every character (5% Chance, 50% Want). Well, one day, we were rating Baldi of all characters (it was one of THOSE days...), and they gave him that same rating. The problem? That meant they thought Baldi was as likely as someone like Amaterasu, who at the time was still seen as a frontrunner.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Yo what if we get post release Assist Trophies and/or Pokeballs tho, for the first time ever

If we got those and DIDN'T get Echoes, I'd be legit pissed.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

...aren't you a Nahobino guy?

SMT V was revealed and started full development in 2017.

 

[Trevenant]

I've had an idea which I thought could sell people on what is probably deemed as the worst case scenario in general for the last character. Pretty much, whilst obviously we have PT now who is a 3-in-1, what if we got a similar idea but made to better represent the source material, in that you have to catch the pokemon you battle with... For a neutral special, the Trainer can aim and throw a pokeball which, when it connects, would then pretty much be a mashing minigame, but if unsuccessful, they get popped out and the trainer gets a random pokemon based on that character's assigned type. Kinda like Brawl but expanded upon, every character is given a type. The pokemon are obvious so for another example, Bowser as fire/dragon means he has an increased chance of giving those types of Pokemon away. RNG would be the best way to balance it, although it could be some kind of order based mechanic.

How it works from there is up for debate. It could be like PT where they are considered actual characters, but the selection for actual pokemon that could be caught would need to be limited as 800 monsters is completely infeasible. Maybe they could work as assists just popping in for a move and then disappearing like the pokeball item. Maybe they could have a selection of moves and they can be cycled through with side b or something and they can then be threw out. This could maybe allow for some level up system too, to allow for them to evolve or what have you. Maybe type matchups could also be expaned upon further to allow for damage buffs or nerfs depending on what is used where. Idk, it's an extremely basic idea but after seeing Steve pretty much incorporate Minecraft into Smash, seeing a Trainer actually fight would be really unique and compelling imo. I'm not a fan of the whole already packed 6 pokemon and just throw them out for different attacks idea which I see get brought up since I'm not too big a fan of incoherence in movesets so would honestly prefer the former out of the 2.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Dynamax<Mega Evolutions<Regional Forms<Gigantamax<Just giving old Pokemon new Evolutions

IMO, Dynamax = Gigantamax < Mega Evolutions, and Regional Forms = Just giving old Pokémon new Evolutions.

I consider Dynamax and Gigantamax to be the same mechanic, and one that I'm not particularly fond of. I like that all Pokémon can use it, but it makes battles more stressful than they need to be since you spend the whole fight trying to remain prepared for the opponent's nuke button.

Mega Evolutions are better IMO since while it is a power boost, it's not quite the same as the nukes that Z-Moves and Dynamax/Gigantamax are.

I don't personally group regional variants and new evolutions with the other two things, but I like 'em both pretty equally: They can be a new progression of an existing Pokémon, a completely new take on one, or even both. Love 'em.

 

[NessAtc.]

SMT V was revealed and started full development in 2017.

...and proceeded to not get anything shown for three years. Mid 2020 was literally the first time we saw anything resembling playable.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

...Amaterasu, who at the time was still seen as a frontrunner.

Wut?

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I'm curious, what's the most white-hot take you guys have ever seen over the course of the speculation cycle? I'm talking takes that cause virtually the entire fandom to turn on the original poster.

Aside from the cringy takes I’ve posted myself. There was a guy who thought everyone who played Minecraft was a child. Not like everyone who played it was a ten year old physically, but they were mentally children regardless of actual age.

Given how Smash itself is meant for children just as much as Minecraft is, I can’t help but laugh when I think of it. Just wish I could find it, sadly I stopped using Twitter.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I've had an idea which I thought could sell people on what is probably deemed as the worst case scenario in general for the last character. Pretty much, whilst obviously we have PT now who is a 3-in-1, what if we got a similar idea but made to better represent the source material, in that you have to catch the pokemon you battle with... For a neutral special, the Trainer can aim and throw a pokeball which, when it connects, would then pretty much be a mashing minigame, but if unsuccessful, they get popped out and the trainer gets a random pokemon based on that character's assigned type. Kinda like Brawl but expanded upon, every character is given a type. The pokemon are obvious so for another example, Bowser as fire/dragon means he has an increased chance of giving those types of Pokemon away. RNG would be the best way to balance it, although it could be some kind of order based mechanic.

How it works from there is up for debate. It could be like PT where they are considered actual characters, but the selection for actual pokemon that could be caught would need to be limited as 800 monsters is completely infeasible. Maybe they could work as assists just popping in for a move and then disappearing like the pokeball item. Maybe they could have a selection of moves and they can be cycled through with side b or something and they can then be threw out. This could maybe allow for some level up system too, to allow for them to evolve or what have you. Maybe type matchups could also be expaned upon further to allow for damage buffs or nerfs depending on what is used where. Idk, it's an extremely basic idea but after seeing Steve pretty much incorporate Minecraft into Smash, seeing a Trainer actually fight would be really unique and compelling imo. I'm not a fan of the whole already packed 6 pokemon and just throw them out for different attacks idea which I see get brought up since I'm not too big a fan of incoherence in movesets so would honestly prefer the former out of the 2.

A command grab that gives you an assist is an interesting mechanic, but it doesn't work with the logic of Poké Balls, and you still run into the issue of the Pokémon Trainer fighting themselves, which is super source material inaccurate and I don't really know if I could get on board with that.

There was a guy who thought everyone who played Minecraft was a child. Not like everyone who played it was a ten year old physically, but they were mentally children regardless of actual age.

SMAASH! Pup has played Minecraft once.

Eh, I guess that checks out.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm curious, what's the most white-hot take you guys have ever seen over the course of the speculation cycle? I'm talking takes that cause virtually the entire fandom to turn on the original poster.

1 time a guy claimed Terry was Sakurai's secret lover and everyone was having NONE of it. I don't really know if it counts as a hot take but it sure was a take I never thought anyone would make.

 

[Guynamednelson]

1 time a guy claimed Terry was Sakurai's secret lover and everyone was having NONE of it. I don't really know if it counts as a hot take but it sure was a take I never thought anyone would make.

Technically it was the guy who created Terry that was supposedly Sakurai's secret lover, not Terry himself, but still a massive pile of cringe regardless.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Technically it was the guy who created Terry that was supposedly Sakurai's secret lover, not Terry himself, but still a massive pile of cringe regardless.

And now I have the mental image of Sakurai going "Terry is my husbando". lol

 

[Schnee117]

And now I have the mental image of Sakurai going "Terry is my husbando". lol

Nah that's Iori

 

[Evil Trapezium]

What if Steve got into FP1 instead of Banjo?

(this is really depressing to look at)

The worst timeline. The amount of grotesque Steve posting would have been horrific. Thank you Phil Spencer from saving us Banjo & Kazooie fans from that fate.

 

[Dan Quixote]

1 time a guy claimed Terry was Sakurai's secret lover and everyone was having NONE of it. I don't really know if it counts as a hot take but it sure was a take I never thought anyone would make.

I think a lot of us wish Terry was our secret lover.

 

[Shroob]

I think a lot of us wish Terry was our secret lover.

That would be OKAY.

 

[Trevenant]

A command grab that gives you an assist is an interesting mechanic, but it doesn't work with the logic of Poké Balls, and you still run into the issue of the Pokémon Trainer fighting themselves, which is super source material inaccurate and I don't really know if I could get on board with that.


SMAASH! Pup has played Minecraft once.

Eh, I guess that checks out.

Yeah I know, you can't exactly justify pokemon running around the stage so characters are probably the next best thing. I'd take more issue with it, but if you think about it Steve mining all the stages and getting materials that are clearly based on their Minecraft iterations is a similar stretch but they were willing to go with it without needing justification. Obviously the pokeball example is a bit more deep but I think its a similar case, something that justifiably shouldn't happen but did just because they wanted to allow for more unique gameplay and the fact that smash is a different thing to begin with, so not everything needs to be 1 to 1.

With the Trainer fighting, I thought of that and I just think having them be really bad unless you start catching pokemon would be a really fun and unique dynamic to help counter-act this. Like, have them be really light, bad mobility and moves that don't really kill but have set KB meaning they can't combo. Like have them spray a repel for a rapid jab which is purely a get off me tool but with the set KB allowing for enough time to set up a pokeball. Not exactly fighting but using items in a similar way from in Pokemon to allow for setups with the pokeball.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

...aren't you a Nahobino guy?

Careful, you might start an arbitrary war with him

 

[CureParfait]

1 time a guy claimed Terry was Sakurai's secret lover and everyone was having NONE of it. I don't really know if it counts as a hot take but it sure was a take I never thought anyone would make.

That is possibly the most cringiest take I've ever heard.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Remember that time Sakurai said that his pictures don’t hint at characters?

Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
Blocked Content does not.

 

[Trevenant]

1 time a guy claimed Terry was Sakurai's secret lover and everyone was having NONE of it. I don't really know if it counts as a hot take but it sure was a take I never thought anyone would make.

His name was Tora_Toad and made some alts IIRC. So I don't get too far off topic, would people rather some random nopon join smash or some random toad? The formerwould probably be Tora or Riki whilst the latter is just bizarre in the sense that you have Captain Toad but then you have the blue Toad who is generally more well known so idk, depends whether they'd rather represent actual character or the toad species.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yeah I know, you can't exactly justify pokemon running around the stage so characters are probably the next best thing. I'd take more issue with it, but if you think about it Steve mining all the stages and getting materials that are clearly based on their Minecraft iterations is a similar stretch but they were willing to go with it without needing justification. Obviously the pokeball example is a bit more deep but I think its a similar case, something that justifiably shouldn't happen but did just because they wanted to allow for more unique gameplay and the fact that smash is a differeent thing to begin with, so not everything needs to be 1 to 1.

My issue with the idea isn't the complexity, it's the logic. Steve's Mining does exactly what it does in Minecraft. The creative liberties are pretty much just "...sure, the clouds are made of pink wool I guess" so that the mechanic works on all stages. The Pokéball mechanic you propose has the Poké Ball kind of but not really capture an opponent, then conjure a Pokémon from whatever data it got from the fighter. I don't think it would make sense for a Poké Ball to do that.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Remember that time Sakurai said that his pictures don’t hint at characters?

Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
Blocked Content does not.

Doom Slayer did not invent doing a thumbs up as you sink into lava.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Remember that time Sakurai said that his pictures don’t hint at characters?

Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
Blocked Content does not.

The funniest thing about this is that it's a reference to Terminator, not Doom.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Remember that time Sakurai said that his pictures don’t hint at characters?

Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
Blocked Content does not.

I love how people bring up Doom and Sus like they aren’t also referencing Terminator.
If for whatever reason the team decides to tease CP11 using Twitter pics, they won’t do it by referencing something something else has referenced.

 

[Trevenant]

My issue with the idea isn't the complexity, it's the logic. Steve's Mining does exactly what it does in Minecraft. The creative liberties are pretty much just "...sure, the clouds are made of pink wool I guess" so that the mechanic works on all stages. The Pokéball mechanic you propose has the Poké Ball kind of but not really capture an opponent, then conjure a Pokémon from whatever data it got from the fighter. I don't think it would make sense for a Poké Ball to do that.

It definitely would be a stretch and my Steve example was kind of based on the logic. Like he's able to pull redstone and whatnot from stages based on locations which shouldn't have them hiding there due to no association with Minecraft, and technically other more general materials like iron etc which are based on their appearance in Minecraft but I do understand that is a less large liberty taken as mining is a more general concept whilst my idea is definitely more involved. Still, food for thought.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Remember that time Sakurai said that his pictures don’t hint at characters?

Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
Blocked Content does not.

What are you talking about? That’s obviously not a Terminator 2 reference. It’s OBVIOUSLY a hint towards Doom Slayer. AND IM DEFINITELY NOT SAYING THIS BECAUSE I WANT DOOM SLAYER IN THE GAME. NEVER.

But yeah. People need to learn how to just enjoy the ride for real.

 

[Shroob]

What are you talking about? That’s obviously not a Terminator 2 reference. It’s OBVIOUSLY a hint towards Doom Slayer. AND IM DEFINITELY NOT SAYING THIS BECAUSE I WANT DOOM SLAYER IN THE GAME. NEVER.

But yeah. People need to learn how to just enjoy the ride for real.

But enjoying the ride doesn't create YouTube ad revenue.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

->BlockContent

It's time to move along.

 

[Theguy123]

Remember that time Sakurai said that his pictures don’t hint at characters?

Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
Blocked Content does not.

cant stand the dude. His videos are always click bait. Steals art as well which is annoying.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

So I don't get too far off topic, would people rather some random nopon join smash or some random toad?

Tragic Decision plays
Bana will wipe you off the face of Smash!


Wait a minute. Chairman Bana is actually a recurring character from the first game in the same vein as Vandham! Huh. The more you know.

 

[Dan Quixote]

I really wonder what Youtube channels like that Blocked Content are going to do once Smash DLC finishes up for good this year. Might lose a lot of followers pretty instantly... I do hope PapaGenos is able to move on from Smash speculation stuff easily though, he's actually quite cool.

 

[Idon]

I really wonder what Youtube channels like that Blocked Content are going to do once Smash DLC finishes up for good this year. Might lose a lot of followers pretty instantly... I do hope PapaGenos is able to move on from Smash speculation stuff easily though, he's actually quite cool.

Probably leach onto other Nintendo rumors for highly anticipated games like Breath of the Wild sequel or Metroid Prime 4.

 

[Theguy123]

I really wonder what Youtube channels like that Blocked Content are going to do once Smash DLC finishes up for good this year. Might lose a lot of followers pretty instantly... I do hope PapaGenos is able to move on from Smash speculation stuff easily though, he's actually quite cool.

papagenos will. He’s got the Nickelodeon content he can make that’s basically speculation and then there’s his let’s plays on top of that. He’ll grow in popularity. Can’t say the same for someone like blocked content.

 

[Trevenant]

Tragic Decision plays
Bana will wipe you off the face of Smash!


Wait a minute. Chairman Bana is actually a recurring character from the first game in the same vein as Vandham! Huh. The more you know.

Would he be a driver or like Tron Bonne from MvC which I won't elaborate on cos spoilers? Probably the latter now that I think about it cos Rex couldn't work. Not that a nopon is really detailed as a human like Rex, even in a game which looks more like anime but a nopon with every single piece of fur textured wouldn't be the first thing on my list of stuff to see in smash...

 

[chocolatejr9]

Remember that time Sakurai said that his pictures don’t hint at characters?

Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
Blocked Content does not.

I hate it here...