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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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End of DLC after Fighter pass 2 is fake news and propaganda

assuming ( Mario Rapper Leak ) + ( LoL leak ) + ( Matoi Leak ) are true which i believe they are

here are the next most likely fighters


Phoenix Wright ( Ace Attorney ) via Capcom

Paya ( Legend of Zelda ) via Nintendo
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+ characters extremely probable​
Ahri ( League of Legends ) via Riot Games & Tencent

Master Chief ( Halo ) via 343 Industries & Microsoft

Matoi ( Phantasy Star Online 2 ) via Sega

Milla Maxwell ( Tales of Xillia 1&2 ) via Bandai Namco

Jack-O from ( Guilty Gear XRD Revelator ) via Arc System
Hoo boy.


Well, I got a bridge I'm willing to sell ya if you're interested.
 

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Your logic for Nahobino applies directly to Pyra/Mythra.
Hell the next Xenoblade game is actually heavily rumoured right now. If they weren't DLC here, they'd have missed out entirely.
Not necessarily. Nintendo characters that are popular enough tend to get in unless their series is dead.

I still think Elma will get in some day, but they would have to use the mechs to make her unique.
Please, dont take offense from asking but how does that work?
Logical decisions aren’t always right, they are just rational.
This is actually true. When Pass 2 was formally revealed Sakurai mentioned how he thought a couple extra fighters would suffice before the plan changed.


Tekken.


Min Min and Pyra/Mythra absolutely are. Xenoblade is an anthology series meaning an XC2 rep will always be on the backend going forward as another Xenoblade will be more relevant. Just look at Elma. ARMS isn’t guaranteed a sequel meaning adding it later is completely up in the air.

No character is worth designing a second pass around. That is a ridiculous notion. Nintendo is not going to dictate every other member of FP2 based on an unrelated member of it.

I hope its Nahobino for your own sake because you will look so unbelievably foolish if it isn’t him with an ego like that.
ARMS is a popular 1st party new IP on what will be Nintendo’s most successful home console ever. It would always be in consideration for base roster additions going forward. If Little Mac can get into Smash 4 then an ARMS character can get into a future Smash game somewhere down the line.

I am not seeing how Tekken has anything to do with anything. Tekken doesn’t even have a game on Switch.
 
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ARMS is a popular 1st party new IP on what will be Nintendo’s most successful home console ever. It would always be in consideration for base roster additions going forward. If Little Mac can get into Smash 4 then an ARMS character can get into a future Smash game somewhere down the line.

I am not seeing how Tekken has anything to do with anything. Tekken doesn’t even have a game on Switch.
ARMS is not an icon of gaming history like Punch Out. Its a first party IP that sold relatively well that was overshadowed by Splatoon. Nintendos other big new IP. Comparing the two is laughable.

Tekken is relevant because you just made the argument Nintendo wouldn’t include content for a series about to get a fighter. Tekken got the Heihachi mii after Kazuya was decided but before he was added. Meaning yes, Nintendo is A OK with that idea.

Honestly, Nahobino isn’t even that far out a choice. SMTV is a big game and the series gets a decent amount of requests. You just use such backwards conspiracy level logic that is wholly unsubstantiated your arguments can not be taken seriously.
 
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ARMS is not an icon of gaming history like Punch Out. Its a first party IP that sold relatively well that was overshadowed by Splatoon. Nintendos other big new IP. Comparing the two is laughable.

Tekken is relevant because you just made the argument Nintendo wouldn’t include content for a series about to get a fighter. Tekken got Heihachi after Kazuya was decided but before he was added. Meaning yes, Nintendo is A OK with that idea.
Albeit, it was a returning costume, not new.

But even then, the point still stands. They don't care as much as people think they do. Things are spread out and there can be multiple reasons.
 

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Nah this was the last chance for XC2 characters to get in, unless they make another game featuring them, or add more than a single original Xenoblade newcomer.

Not that popularity would've dictated their inclusion as much as recency, but even if it were a greater factor, once XC3 came out, that protagonist would've become the popular one, and Rex/Pyra would've gradually declined to a point where their popularity was insufficient to be included.

Good luck hoping on Elma. Just ask Lyn how it's going.
 
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Also let’s say they “”” revolved “”” the pass around Nahobino,
Ok, so why are all the third party fighters we have all bigger then Nahobino?
They don’t have any games to advertise, they can be added to any future Smash game and Nahobino’s game is very important to the Switch and Nintendo’s future 3rd party strength.
 

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They don’t have any games to advertise, they can be added to any future Smash game and Nahobino’s game is very important to the Switch and Nintendo’s future 3rd party strength.
Other games are also very important to Nintendo and their system, and they aren’t choosing solely based on advertisements + even if so they could still wish to advertise Minecraft etc. just like they do on their social media due to importance to them/company relationships/whatever business stuff. By your logic FP1 was also just filler for the wait to Nahobino.

They aren’t going to neglect big names for their big “representative of gaming” crossover or treat them as filler for one new dude as if the others can’t compete with him.
 
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They don’t have any games to advertise, they can be added to any future Smash game and Nahobino’s game is very important to the Switch and Nintendo’s future 3rd party strength.
Assuming they can still get Square to play ball. Sephiroth isn’t getting in without Cloud and his chances of returning are completely up in the air.

Steve is more likely to return but even then his inclusion took 5 years of talk to make happen.

I doubt Nintendos logic was “eh, we could always get em later.”
 

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They don’t have any games to advertise, they can be added to any future Smash game and Nahobino’s game is very important to the Switch and Nintendo’s future 3rd party strength.
I think you are pushing the pendulum way too harder towards that side. Its possible for SMTV to be part of the pass and a partial reason for it but lets not put its importance higher than it needs to.
 

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I still think Elma will get in some day, but they would have to use the mechs to make her unique.
Uh what? No. She may wield swords but she's also that glass cannon slice n' dice class so she wouldn't play like most of the sword characters, and that's ignoring system mechanics like Overdrive and Soul Voice. She even has the potential to be a stance switch character that can swap between the Dual Guns and Dual Swords for her normals. The Skells aren't necessary and probably wouldn't be practical/feasible either due to their size.

They definitely should (and probably would) show up in her Final Smash though.
 

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They don’t have any games to advertise, they can be added to any future Smash game
1. You could also say this about Pyra/Mythra, despite your assessment
2. SMT6 probably won't be out by Smash 6's roster selection, so the character isn't out of time just yet.

and Nahobino’s game is very important to the Switch and Nintendo’s future 3rd party strength.
Not really. The Switch is already a proven success and the performance of the game isn't going to determine how anyone other than maybe Atlus/Sega moves forward supporting the platform. This isn't 2017.

At least Elma has the promise of a new game on her side.

Whether or not it actually happens at all let alone in the right time frame to get her in still remains to be seen though.
It's not a promise though, it's a potential scenario that may happen one day, but can't be assumed will happen until it does. It's hardly a guarantee that the next Xenoblade game will star her. It probably won't.

Assuming they can still get Square to play ball. Sephiroth isn’t getting in without Cloud and his chances of returning are completely up in the air.

Steve is more likely to return but even then his inclusion took 5 years of talk to make happen.

I doubt Nintendos logic was “eh, we could always get em later.”
I feel like half the time Steve is raised, it's followed by "who took five years, btw", even when it really doesn't have much to do with the point.

Sonic took six years, and no one talks about that.
 
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It's not a promise though, it's a potential scenario that may happen one day, but can't be assumed will happen until it does. It's hardly a guarantee that the next Xenoblade game will star her. It probably won't.
Well, I'm using promise loosely here (for lack of a better term). I also know that Xenoblade Chronicles X2 is still very much up in the air, hence the following sentences. It is still a possibility though, one which Lyn lacks entirely.
 
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I feel like half the time Steve is raised, it's followed by "who took five years, btw", even when it really doesn't have much to do with the point.

Sonic took six years, and no one talks about that.
The timeframe is brought up a lot yeah, it shows how hard an inclusion Minecraft was. Its not gonna be cakewalk to get it back given what it’s taken to get it so far.

At least Sonic is practically guaranteed to return given how close Nintendo and Sega are, that and people would lose their minds if he was excluded. Partially because of how big he is, and partially because they never have to fight him online again. :4pacman:
 

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The timeframe is brought up a lot yeah, it shows how hard an inclusion Minecraft was. Its not gonna be cakewalk to get it back given what it’s taken to get it so far.

At least Sonic is practically guaranteed to return given how close Nintendo and Sega are, that and people would lose their minds if he was excluded. Partially because of how big he is, and partially because they never have to fight him online again. :4pacman:
Yeah, him and Bayo sound like safe third party picks for smash 6 (or is it 7?).
 

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At least Sonic is practically guaranteed to return given how close Nintendo and Sega are, that and people would lose their minds if he was excluded. Partially because of how big he is, and partially because they never have to fight him online again. :4pacman:
if sonic was cut 50% of the fanbase would rejoice and the other half would mourn
 

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I am not seeing how Tekken has anything to do with anything. Tekken doesn’t even have a game on Switch.
No, but it did have 3 games released on Nintendo consoles prior to the Switch

-Tekken Advance (GBA)
-Tekken 3D Prime Edition (3DS)
-Tekken Tag Tournament 2 Wii U Edition
 

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The timeframe is brought up a lot yeah, it shows how hard an inclusion Minecraft was. Its not gonna be cakewalk to get it back given what it’s taken to get it so far.

At least Sonic is practically guaranteed to return given how close Nintendo and Sega are, that and people would lose their minds if he was excluded. Partially because of how big he is, and partially because they never have to fight him online again. :4pacman:
The timeframe is one aspect of the character inclusion, we know almost nothing about the other aspects. We can surmise Sakurai probably turned the character down at one point due to his statements, but obviously relented since. There are too many unknowns to jump to conclusions about how hard it would be to get the character back.

The holdup, in theory, could have entirely been with Sakurai. And now without that obstacle, it could be a cakewalk. There are too many things we don't know.

People place too much importance on the five years. If Rayman ever gets in, people would be able to say talks started almost ten years ago, and counting. Sonic, Snake, their talks began years before they got in. Pac-Man was first suggested the game before he got in. It wasn't Kazuya, but a Tekken character was discussed as early as 2012. Steve's situation is not as meaningful as it's made out to be, especially because we don't even have an initial timeframe for most of the third-parties.

There's so much we don't know, we can't take it upon ourselves to fill in the blanks with assumptions.
 

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ARMS is not an icon of gaming history like Punch Out. Its a first party IP that sold relatively well that was overshadowed by Splatoon. Nintendos other big new IP. Comparing the two is laughable.

Tekken is relevant because you just made the argument Nintendo wouldn’t include content for a series about to get a fighter. Tekken got the Heihachi mii after Kazuya was decided but before he was added. Meaning yes, Nintendo is A OK with that idea.

Honestly, Nahobino isn’t even that far out a choice. SMTV is a big game and the series gets a decent amount of requests. You just use such backwards conspiracy level logic that is wholly unsubstantiated your arguments can not be taken seriously.
Splatoon was really a new IP with the Wii U not the Switch.
The Heihachi mii costume is from Smash 4, that just came back once it was decided that Heihachi wouldn’t be the Tekken fighter.
They definitely should (and probably would) show up in her Final Smash though.
That is what I mean and that is probably why she didn’t get into Smash 4 considering the 3DS’ lack of capabilities.

1. You could also say this about Pyra/Mythra, despite your assessment
2. SMT6 probably won't be out by Smash 6's roster selection, so the character isn't out of time just yet.
SMT V Apocalypse or whatever will be though.

Pyra/Mythra is technically rumored to be in Xenoblade 3 as well.


Not really. The Switch is already a proven success and the performance of the game isn't going to determine how anyone other than maybe Atlus/Sega moves forward supporting the platform. This isn't 2017.
Nintendo definitely wants as many M rated games on the system as possible and if a M rated game can also show off the power of their systems as well then that is a huge bonus.

Nintendo only had games like SMT on their systems in the first place because it basically had a monopoly on the industry in the 80s when Megaten was created, but now Nintendo sees the gamer market rapidly aging so it wants to not only highlight and grow their more mature rated and darker 1st parties (Metroid and Fire Emblem)as much as possible, but it also wants to push teen and mature rated 3rd party franchises as hard and as often as it can because they can’t really have M rated 1st party franchises featured next to Mario when they also want to advertise to little kids.
SMT having the history with Nintendo, the extremely hardcore and older fanbase and the legacy of basically starting multiple genres makes it a perfect addition to not only Smash but all future Nintendo consoles as a heavily featured 3rd party franchise(rather than only being on Nintendo handhelds because Atlus didn’t want to spend the money to make SMT on Sony consoles after Nocturne failed). This is why Nintendo made SMT V exclusive to the Switch.
 

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Splatoon was really a new IP with the Wii U not the Switch.

The Heihachi mii costume is from Smash 4, that just came back once it was decided that Heihachi wouldn’t be the Tekken fighter.
Splatoon is still Nintendos new shiny IP considering how big it got compared to being one system old. ARMs was consistently seen as “the Switches Splatoon” when it was being hyped, at least from what I saw.

Heihachi being a returning costume is irrelevant. That is still Nintendo deciding to include a piece of content from a series whilst having full knowledge said series would get a fighter.
 
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The timeframe is one aspect of the character inclusion, we know almost nothing about the other aspects. We can surmise Sakurai probably turned the character down at one point due to his statements, but obviously relented since. There are too many unknowns to jump to conclusions about how hard it would be to get the character back.

The holdup, in theory, could have entirely been with Sakurai. And now without that obstacle, it could be a cakewalk. There are too many things we don't know.

People place too much importance on the five years. If Rayman ever gets in, people would be able to say talks started almost ten years ago, and counting. Sonic, Snake, their talks began years before they got in. Pac-Man was first suggested the game before he got in. It wasn't Kazuya, but a Tekken character was discussed as early as 2012. Steve's situation is not as meaningful as it's made out to be, especially because we don't even have an initial timeframe for most of the third-parties.

There's so much we don't know, we can't take it upon ourselves to fill in the blanks with assumptions.
Fair point, I honestly forgot all those characters were thought up beforehand. Still so surreal that the only reason there aren’t third parties in Melee is that there wasn’t enough dev time.
 

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We'll be back to this before we know it. It was like, what, 1st quarter of 2016 until March of 2018 between the end of Smash 4 DLC and Smash Ultimate's teaser?
I think there will be a bit more of a gap between this and the next smash game. At least four-five years, though I’m personally leaning towards six or even eight.

But still, one day we’ll be back at it again. Spending our precious time on this earth debating which mascots will punch eachother on the Nintendo Switch U.
 
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i mentioned i was making a youtube video on why I thought the last fighter would be from Undertale, right? I just finished the script, I have to record the audio and get some background footage, but I think i can get it up by tuesday!

i can't wait for all this effort to go out the window when we get bronto burt as fp11
 

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Its an interesting question about when we’ll see the next Smash. The Switch likely has around 3 and a half years left in its life span. Assuming we stick with the trend of Smash games being one per console, thats the bare minimum wait time. It took around 3 years to develop Ultimate. This sounds about right for a new Smash game.

If I’m not mistaken, Sakurai already said he knows his next project. Meaning he’ll be working on that for however long.

So, assuming Smash 6 enters development around the launch of Nintendos new system and the end of Sakurais next project, we get a new game in ~6 years. Yikes.

This is very highly speculative as it assumes the switches lifespan, Sakurais next projects dev time, a new Smash games dev time, Sakurai returns for Smash 6, and that we don’t get a port of Ultimate (which already doesn’t seem likely). So yeah this has no validity, but hey its fun to talk about unconfirmed things over half a decade from now.
 
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Its an interesting question about when we’ll see the next Smash. The Switch likely has around 3 and a half years left in its life span. Assuming we stick with the trend of Smash games being one per console, thats the bare minimum wait time. It took around 3 years to develop Ultimate. This sounds about right for a new Smash game.

If I’m not mistaken, Sakurai already said he knows his next project. Meaning he’ll be working on that for however long.

So, assuming Smash 6 enters development around the launch of Nintendos new system and the end of Sakurais next project, we get a new game in ~6 years. Yikes.

This is very highly speculative as it assumes the switches lifespan, Sakurais next projects dev time, a new Smash games dev time, Sakurai returns for Smash 6, and that we don’t get a port of Ultimate (which already doesn’t seem likely). So yeah this has no validity, but hey its fun to talk about unconfirmed things over half a decade from now.
All I know is SMTV is a lock for next game and I'm sticking to it.
 
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