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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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DarthEnderX

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They're just gonna open up a new speculation thread for the next game. And then we all talk about how Disney either will or won't let Sora in for another four to six years until the next game is announced, or something stupid like that.
Nah we're gonna talk about how Shin Megami Tensei V is the next big thing and a shoe-in for the next Smash title.

or at least, I will be.
And I'll be focusing on my new most wanted, Bill Rizer, since Hayabusa was FP11.

Judging by the character rollout, internally the plan was probably never to release the final character close to the deadline anyway, it was just set for the end of 2021 to give them a good amount of breathing room if things went completely awry behind the scenes.
Which they did. :p

I mean, there's 1 left.
Yeah...but he always ends up cutting a couple.

The Brawl 7 were totally finished and then Saks was just, like, "...nah. **** em."
 
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That is what I mean and that is probably why she didn’t get into Smash 4 considering the 3DS’ lack of capabilities.
I don't think they would have been an issue for Final Smashes since they don't have to be around the same size as the rest of the fighters. As for Elma not being in the previous game, it's because it predates hers by a year (well, the 3Ds version does anyway). She likely wasn't in a finished enough state to be picked when they were solidifying the roster.

All I know is SMTV is a lock for next game and I'm sticking to it.
I dunno about a lock (or at least, not Shin Megami Tensei V specifically), but if Joker sticks around, I could see Shin Megami Tensei getting thrown into the mix. Or...actually it could also replace the Joker as well due to how related the two are.

It's kind of strange to think about how they'll handle the 3rd party veterans in the future. Aside from Sonic, Mega Man, and PAC-Man, I don't think any of them have any particularly high chance of sticking around, but most of them don't have a particularly low one either IMO. I guess we'll just have to wait and see on that front.
 

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I think Nahobino in Smash would be pretty neat.

Double so if Wayne from Hylics somehow manage to get in.
 

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This whole conversation had made me dislike Nahobino.

And I didn't particularly like them before.

This user has some serious Memoryman vibes, but at least I like Daisy in general.
Don't hate, or bunch, us Naho fans due to people like that.


The majority of us are perfectly sane, chill dudes.


That kind of logic earlier is.... frankly beyond my comprehension.
 

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**** like this is exactly why I can't wait until the final character is announced in a few weeks, not only to end the 3 year hype cycle but to see these people who were so overconfident to realize they're wrong. Especially the "more fighters are guaranteed you believe propaganda if you think otherwise", cause if there's no more characters? At least we knew quite a while beforehand and won't be disappointed. More characters? Oh damn, more characters! Win win scenario here lmao
 

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I can't believe I have to say this, but please don't let your opinion of a fanbase or character be swayed by one person, most of us don't agree with this guy's opinions.

Not that I can blame you if it has impacted your opinion, it's really annoying. I really want an SMT rep, and I've been staying away from smashboards for a while because I'm sick of this one conversation never ending, even though every single part of it has been talked about by now.

I logged back on last night assuming it would be over, and it's still going on. How?

Nahobino has a chance, and I feel like SMT content of some kind is almost guaranteed, but it could easily just be a spirit event or something. Nahobino isn't a lock, because no characters are a lock. No matter how much evidence you think you have, it almost never means anything.

For example, SMT IV was in a similar, if not better, position last game. It was a major third party, published by Nintendo, that sold well and had a very positive reception. It came out before Smash 4 released, so it had plenty of time for the team to get to grips with the character, but there were still upcoming SMT games on 3DS to promote.

So, going by the logic of Nahobino being a lock, Flynn should also have been a lock last game. But he wasn't, because that's not how things work.
 

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I can't believe I have to say this, but please don't let your opinion of a fanbase or character be swayed by one person, most of us don't agree with this guy's opinions.

Not that I can blame you if it has impacted your opinion, it's really annoying. I really want an SMT rep, and I've been staying away from smashboards for a while because I'm sick of this one conversation never ending, even though every single part of it has been talked about by now.

I logged back on last night assuming it would be over, and it's still going on. How?

Nahobino has a chance, and I feel like SMT content of some kind is almost guaranteed, but it could easily just be a spirit event or something. Nahobino isn't a lock, because no characters are a lock. No matter how much evidence you think you have, it almost never means anything.

For example, SMT IV was in a similar, if not better, position last game. It was a major third party, published by Nintendo, that sold well and had a very positive reception. It came out before Smash 4 released, so it had plenty of time for the team to get to grips with the character, but there were still upcoming SMT games on 3DS to promote.

So, going by the logic of Nahobino being a lock, Flynn should also have been a lock last game. But he wasn't, because that's not how things work.
Tbf SMT4 wouldn't get a physical release in Europe whereas 5 has a worldwide release on the same day, which is pretty unheard of for Atlus of all companies
 

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Its an interesting question about when we’ll see the next Smash. The Switch likely has around 3 and a half years left in its life span. Assuming we stick with the trend of Smash games being one per console, thats the bare minimum wait time. It took around 3 years to develop Ultimate. This sounds about right for a new Smash game.

If I’m not mistaken, Sakurai already said he knows his next project. Meaning he’ll be working on that for however long.

So, assuming Smash 6 enters development around the launch of Nintendos new system and the end of Sakurais next project, we get a new game in ~6 years. Yikes.

This is very highly speculative as it assumes the switches lifespan, Sakurais next projects dev time, a new Smash games dev time, Sakurai returns for Smash 6, and that we don’t get a port of Ultimate (which already doesn’t seem likely). So yeah this has no validity, but hey its fun to talk about unconfirmed things over half a decade from now.
my speculation:

Based on this article: https://sourcegaming.info/2020/05/16/ultimate-timeline/

If we take Smash 4 as a guide and if a Smash game is indeed Sakurai's next project (6 or Ultimate DX) then Sakurai might be submitting the Design Document to Nintendo this year around CP11's reveal.

Around the time of CP11's release if that's the last character then Sakurai's project plan for the next Smash game has been finalized by then. Interesting to note that by this time the base roster for the next game has been decided with a slot open for Pokemon.

Ultimate's project plan was finalized in 2016 and the game released in 2018.

If Sakurai's next project is Smash then we may be looking at a 2023 release at the earliest based on this timeline. It is in line with the gap between Smash games (Brawl to 4 took 6 years, 4 to Ultimate took 4 years, and Ultimate to ??? will have taken 5 years at this point).

Since the 64 Nintendo releases a new console every 5-6 years meaning next year or 2023 would be its next target. Smash has NEVER been a launch title (Melee was the only game to debut within the same year of a new console).

64 console: 1996
Smash 64: 1999

Gamecube and Melee: 2001

Wii: 2006
Brawl: 2008

Wii-U: 2012
Smash 4: 2014

Switch: 2017
Ultimate: 2018

Next Console: 2022/2023??
Smash 6: 2023-2026?
 
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Tbf SMT4 wouldn't get a physical release in Europe whereas 5 has a worldwide release on the same day, which is pretty unheard of for Atlus of all companies
That still annoys me. I'm actually replaying it at the moment, and I had to basically completely clear my 3ds just to download the game. At least we're getting one with V (we're even getting the collectors' edition, which is nice).

Actually, that reminds me. If SMT content was put in smash, would 3 be referred to as Nocturne or Lucifer's Call in Europe? Because obviously it was Lucifer's Call originally here, but it was changed back to Nocturne for the remaster.

Also, would songs introduced in Nocturne Maniax be included with the standard Nocturne songs outside of Japan?
 

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That still annoys me. I'm actually replaying it at the moment, and I had to basically completely clear my 3ds just to download the game. At least we're getting one with V (we're even getting the collectors' edition, which is nice).

Actually, that reminds me. If SMT content was put in smash, would 3 be referred to as Nocturne or Lucifer's Call in Europe? Because obviously it was Lucifer's Call originally here, but it was changed back to Nocturne for the remaster.

Also, would songs introduced in Nocturne Maniax be included with the standard Nocturne songs outside of Japan?
It was a copyright thing which no longer applies so it'd be called Nocturne most likely and iirc Pythra brought Torna songs so it'd make sense to include those songs
 

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No, it wasn't. It was recorded just after the short message from Sakurai at E3 was recorded, which was probably a couple months prior to E3

That's actually a good question. We honestly have no idea as to when that segment was filmed.


Like, I can understand why people would have assumed it to be rather close to E3, but like, I kinda, REALLY doubt it was filmed like, the day of. I'm almost certain it was, and the Kazuya presentation, were filmed awhile prior to E3.



Like, I really, REALLY doubt the Kazuya presentation was filmed that week leading up to it.
 

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It was a copyright thing which no longer applies so it'd be called Nocturne most likely and iirc Pythra brought Torna songs so it'd make sense to include those songs
I was more meaning that I wasn't sure if the Maniax songs would say they were from Nocturne or Nocturne Maniax outside of Japan, since they were technically introduced at the same time here. Although the Torna stuff implies it would just say Nocturne.
 

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My big thing with Nahobino is that I just can't see Nintendo announcing him like two or so months before his game actually comes out. Some people are going to point fingers at Roy, but not only was that just a clone character from all the way back in Melee (one that was supposed to be purged from all non-JP versions of the game anyways), Binding Blade was originally supposed to come out before Melee but it got delayed. So that particular instance was just happenstance.

The only other closest thing I can think of is Corrin, as he was announced two months before FE Fates got released...in the west. Fates was already out in Japan for six whole months before the last Smash 4 presentation. So again, it wouldn't be comparable to Nahobino, who would pretty much be the ultimate shill character to end all shill characters.
 
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kinda sad ngl seeing peoples souring on a character not because of their personality, ability, how good their game is (on in Naho case, even out to begin with), etc... but because of 1 person acting like a sussy baka for way too long.
 

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Sakurai's already said he started on Byleth during 3H's development so it's not even the first time he's done such a thing. And it's not a "shill character", it's "[turning] the protagonist of a game that people are playing right now into a fighter that players could experience immediately" :mybodyisreggie:
Yes, but at least with Byleth, they gave people five whole months for people to get accustomed to him: his game came out in the tail-end of July 2019 but he was actually announced for Smash in January 2020. it's not like they went ahead and revealed him at E3 that year right before Three Houses came out. Again, it's not comparable to the SMTV situation.
 
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My big thing with Nahobino is that I just can't see Nintendo announcing him like two or so months before his game actually comes out. Some people are going to point fingers at Roy, but not only was that just a clone character from all the way back in Melee (one that was supposed to be purged from all non-JP versions of the game anyways), Binding Blade was originally supposed to come out before Melee but it got delayed. So that particular instance was just happenstance.

The only other closest thing I can think of is Corrin, as he was announced two months before FE Fates got released...in the west. Fates was already out in Japan for six whole months before the last Smash 4 presentation. So again, it wouldn't be comparable to Nahobino, who would pretty much be the ultimate shill character to end all shill characters.
Moreover with Roy, it was a base game character that wasn't really affect people's purchases of Melee and Corrin came from a game that sold decently well in Japan, thus the risk was somewhat reduced given that they'd likely get a decent response back home even if hypothetically the character didn't do huge numbers in the West.

Now I'm sure SMTV will sell fine in both regions and I understand the sense that as the final character Ultimate is in the "why the hell not" stage, but it would be genuinely out there territory for Nintendo roll the dice on paid DLC for a third party character in game not even out yet.
 
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Yes, but at least with Byleth, they gave people five whole months for people to get accustomed to him, it's not like they went ahead and revealed him at E3 2019 right before Three Houses came out. Again, it's not comparable to the SMTV situation.
Those five months didn't exactly endear Byleth to the Smash fanbase, though. And they'd be added for roughly the same reason - promoting a release Nintendo has high expectations for.

but it would be genuinely out there territory for Nintendo roll the dice on paid DLC for a third party character in game not even out yet.
They're marketing the game hard and presumably funding it to an extent. It's more like rigging the table rather than rolling the dice.
 

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Including a character from an upcoming game, especially a 3rd party, would come with all sorts of problems. Sakurai would have to stay in constant contact with Atlus to make sure that Nahobino's moveset remains up to date with the current plans for SMTV. There's also the unlikely event that SMTV outright gets cancelled, and so on.
 
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The lack of Departure, Esperanto, and Falling Down makes me sad.
I know. As much as I wanted to include them in my pack, I personally think the first three games of the series have some better songs, so it's a case of "While 'x' is good, 'y' - in my opinion - is better."
Also, no Dr. Weil spirit?
Dr. Weil... how should I put this? He's basically Dr. Wily but even older and enhanced with Reploid parts.
 

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Do people seriously believe nabohino is last. It doesn’t make sense in any way possible. Pass was supposedly chosen in 2018 and finished in 2019. SMT V doesn’t even come out till November 2021, 4 years after the pass was chosen.

sakurai barely got his hands on 3H and that’s a Nintendo property. He only got his hands on the game 2 months or so of I remember rightly before the game released. There’s no way he got his hands on concept art to design nabohino years before smt v has even released.

not to menation the 4chan post that pointed out that the guy who does the character voices did them all at once so he’d not have to return. Nabohino’s name wasn’t even heard back then when he did the voices.

sakurai isn’t a god. He can’t get his hands on any game before his release. He’s just a developer at the end of the day. Nothing special.

you’d also be relying on Nintendo knowing a pandemic was gonna hit and cause min min to take 7 months to come out rather than the usual 4 months. Last character would’ve been revealed by now if min min went smoothly.

Not to mention you’re also relying on sakurai going to atlus and not knowing what character to chose so him and atlus make a decision to include persona and SMT V representation which can’t of happened because atlus through him under the bus and said that sakurai specifically came wanting Persona and nothing else.

really not the one to bash at characters hopes but come on now, nabohino seems to me to be more of a bandwagon pick than anything else
 

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Including a character from an upcoming game, especially a 3rd party, would come with all sorts of problems. Sakurai would have to stay in constant contact with Atlus to make sure that Nahobino's moveset remains up to date with the current plans for SMTV. There's also the unlikely event that SMTV outright gets cancelled, and so on.
This reminds me a bit of how when designing Roy for Melee, Sakurai stayed in constant touch with the devs of the FE game Roy would originate in in order for his moveset and personality in Melee to parallel that of his traits in his FE game.

Also, happy Sunday everyone.
 

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Today begins the final full week of August if you count Sundays as the first day of the week/go by how calendars are structured. After that, the last few days of August and the beginning of September. Pretty confident in the Direct being before the 10th
 

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Do people seriously believe nabohino is last. It doesn’t make sense in any way possible. Pass was supposedly chosen in 2018 and finished in 2019. SMT V doesn’t even come out till November 2021, 4 years after the pass was chosen.

sakurai barely got his hands on 3H and that’s a Nintendo property. He only got his hands on the game 2 months or so of I remember rightly before the game released. There’s no way he got his hands on concept art to design nabohino years before smt v has even released.

not to menation the 4chan post that pointed out that the guy who does the character voices did them all at once so he’d not have to return. Nabohino’s name wasn’t even heard back then when he did the voices.

sakurai isn’t a god. He can’t get his hands on any game before his release. He’s just a developer at the end of the day. Nothing special.

you’d also be relying on Nintendo knowing a pandemic was gonna hit and cause min min to take 7 months to come out rather than the usual 4 months. Last character would’ve been revealed by now if min min went smoothly.

Not to mention you’re also relying on sakurai going to atlus and not knowing what character to chose so him and atlus make a decision to include persona and SMT V representation which can’t of happened because atlus through him under the bus and said that sakurai specifically came wanting Persona and nothing else.

really not the one to bash at characters hopes but come on now, nabohino seems to me to be more of a bandwagon pick than anything else
The thing here to keep in mind is that Shin Megami Tensei 5 was first revealed back in 2017 so the game has been in existence for quite a while and there is probably a lot more going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. It is possible that Nintendo could have worked closely with Atlus anywhere within those 5 years or more since it's a Nintendo Switch exclusive and Nintendo are publishing the game in the PAL regions. It's also been proven before that Sakurai doesn't need to get a hold of a game in order to create a character as he only used concept art of Greninja to create him.
 

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Peter Griffin as Sol Badguy
Pete Famguy.

Nahobino is such a cynical pick to me what with its odd timing perfect for advertisement. I wouldn’t really care about the character itself, just be sour about the ploy in it all.
It would be weirder if you DID care about a character from a game you've never even played.
 
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I can't believe I have to say this, but please don't let your opinion of a fanbase or character be swayed by one person, most of us don't agree with this guy's opinions.

Not that I can blame you if it has impacted your opinion, it's really annoying. I really want an SMT rep, and I've been staying away from smashboards for a while because I'm sick of this one conversation never ending, even though every single part of it has been talked about by now.

I logged back on last night assuming it would be over, and it's still going on. How?

Nahobino has a chance, and I feel like SMT content of some kind is almost guaranteed, but it could easily just be a spirit event or something. Nahobino isn't a lock, because no characters are a lock. No matter how much evidence you think you have, it almost never means anything.

For example, SMT IV was in a similar, if not better, position last game. It was a major third party, published by Nintendo, that sold well and had a very positive reception. It came out before Smash 4 released, so it had plenty of time for the team to get to grips with the character, but there were still upcoming SMT games on 3DS to promote.

So, going by the logic of Nahobino being a lock, Flynn should also have been a lock last game. But he wasn't, because that's not how things work.
A low budget game on the 3DS is not even remotely the same as a high budget game that debuted with the Switch.
 

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I'm just trying to comprehend the logic that the last character would take 6 entire months when all 5 prior characters are done and accounted for.


The wait between Byleth to Min Min makes sense, because they were beginning development on a 2nd pass, and, ya know, COVID ****ed everything up, but things went back to normal, and after Steve, things actually SPED UP.
That would make sense if they decided on a far-out character and deliberately started work on the character late to ensure that the game the character is from would be finalized and that Sakurai would have access to a finalized build of the game. The other side of the same coin is that the fighter wouldn’t release before the game. It’d make a non-zero amount of sense to wait a bit to start developing Nahobino.

EDIT: As for SMT IV, Smash 4 base game was the game that added Mega Man and Pac-Man, so that’s a wildly different status-quo when it comes to third party characters than Smash Ultimate DLC which has been much more liberal in adding third party characters.
 
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The thing here to keep in mind is that Shin Megami Tensei 5 was first revealed back in 2017 so the game has been in existence for quite a while and there is probably a lot more going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. It is possible that Nintendo could have worked closely with Atlus anywhere within those 5 years or more since it's a Nintendo Switch exclusive and Nintendo are publishing the game in the PAL regions. It's also been proven before that Sakurai doesn't need to get a hold of a game in order to create a character as he only used concept art of Greninja to create him.
You have to remember that the game was announced and began development in 2017 (I've looked extensively and can find no records or interviews stating the game development began prior to 2017), and even without Covid, developing a brand new JRPG for a brand new console like the Switch at the time is very time consuming. A big console JRPG project takes at least 4-5 years to complete in most cases unless the development team is completely used to the hardware.
 
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It's also been proven before that Sakurai doesn't need to get a hold of a game in order to create a character as he only used concept art of Greninja to create him.
yeah but there’s a difference between being able to do it for a first party character and then doing it for a third party character form a third party company that you don’t even own in anyway possible.
 
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