Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[CannonStreak]

the choke force (if I’m thinking of it right)is something I’ve always warned to see in a fighter game. Seeing it in smash would be cool

Maybe it could be used as a grabbing move?

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Dude it’s more or less both a placeholder than a deadline; it just acts more like the former because as me and my fellow SmashBoards posters said, they can release CP11 outside of December.

You argued that Byleth came out a month ahead of schedule and therefore deadlines aren’t restricting the month the character comes out, which would mean a November reveal/release for cp11.

Considering that Covid slowed down production since Byleth I doubt they are further ahead of schedule than they were then, so December or late November works for that as well. There is no way that they hit a roadblock and are now 3 months ahead of schedule.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

I made a Zero (Z) DLC pack using the template on imgflip.

And yes, it's watermark free.

 

[Shroob]

You argued that Byleth came out a month ahead of schedule and therefore deadlines aren’t restricting the month the character comes out, which would mean a November reveal/release for cp11.

Considering that Covid slowed down production since Byleth I doubt they are further ahead of schedule than they were then, so December or late November works for that as well. There is no way that they hit a roadblock and are now 3 months ahead of schedule.

Covid slowed down the schedule.... at the start.


Then we got Steve, Sepitoth and Pythra 2 months from one another.


Dude, trust me, I want Nahobino too, but your logic is Pepe Silvia levels of cracked.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

You argued that Byleth came out a month ahead of schedule and therefore deadlines aren’t restricting the month the character comes out, which would mean a November reveal/release for cp11.

Yea exactly
They’re not restrictive deadlines because they make sense, and they can compensate for delays or something like that.
From April 2019 to February 2020, that’s a reasonable time frame to release 5 characters.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Isn’t it just to give them wiggle room incase they need more time than expected? It’s not like they can make a perfect estimate, since something could be unexpected or something. It’s why a lot of developers don’t like giving release dates or deadlines.

Yes, that is why I am saying it could be November or at least early December because the 31st of December is obviously not supposed to be the exact date.

 

[Idon]

I made a Zero (Z) DLC pack using the template on imgflip.View attachment 327182
And yes, it's watermark free.

No Departure? SMH my head.

 

[Theguy123]

Covid slowed down the schedule.... at the start.


Then we got Steve, Sepitoth and Pythra 2 months from one another.


Dude, trust me, I want Nahobino too, but your logic is Pepe Silvia levels of cracked.

swear he’s the nabohino dude from over on gamefaqs that’s got his account suspended for posting SMT spam and saying nabohino was last and everyone else’s opinions are invalid.

 

[Shroob]

swear he’s the nabohino dude from over on gamefaqs that’s got his account suspended for posting SMT spam and saying nabohino was last and everyone else’s opinions are invalid.

I mean, checks out.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

You argued that Byleth came out a month ahead of schedule and therefore deadlines aren’t restricting the month the character comes out, which would mean a November reveal/release for cp11.

Considering that Covid slowed down production since Byleth I doubt they are further ahead of schedule than they were then, so December or late November works for that as well. There is no way that they hit a roadblock and are now 3 months ahead of schedule.

They aren’t three months ahead of schedule. December is an absolute deadline. I. e. “If we have to throw out a fighter we can still reach it” Theres no way they’d cut it so close that a delay would kill the release. Therefore the challenger wasn’t planned for December.

However, given the fact all other fighters have been released in a timely manner since Min Min (the literal first fighter in the pass), we can assume that CP11 wasn’t pushed back because nothing else has.

 

[MattX20]

I find it highly unlikely our last fighter in the pass would take all the way to December to be revealed/released. Even Steve, who was so complex that they had to reprogram/redesign every stage in the game to work for his gameplay style, didn't take more than a 3 months give or take a week or two between the reveal and release of MinMin last year. It's unlikely our last fighter is going to be that complex to develop.

 

[3BitSaurus]

It doesn’t have to be exactly the 31st, but it pretty much does have to be in December or maybe late November at the earliest, this is not an online retailer giving us the date, this is Nintendo.

I mean, the date itself comes from the official site and the eShop, not Sakurai himself. I really doubt the people who put these dates there are aware of the ins and outs of Smash DLC production. So it might as well be a retailer saying it.

Sakurai only said "by the end of 2021", which just means they'll all be released before the year is over.

But yet you think they will wait from June 2021 to January 2022 at the earliest to show off Steve’s amiibo and release Min Min’s amiibo after ending Smash dlc in September.

Yes.

Like I said, we didn't get Joker and Hero's amiibos until a year had passed since their reveal. Amiibos aren't higher priority than the fighters, there's no reason for them to change schedules because of them.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

You can’t spell Nahobino with “no”
Im sorry for that

Also
Theguy123 with the chokehold LEGO Darth Vader boutta have the strongest throws in the game and throws with most knock back

 

[N3ON]

Judging by the character rollout, internally the plan was probably never to release the final character close to the deadline anyway, it was just set for the end of 2021 to give them a good amount of breathing room if things went completely awry behind the scenes.

 

[Shroob]

I'm just trying to comprehend the logic that the last character would take 6 entire months when all 5 prior characters are done and accounted for.


The wait between Byleth to Min Min makes sense, because they were beginning development on a 2nd pass, and, ya know, COVID ****ed everything up, but things went back to normal, and after Steve, things actually SPED UP.

 

[FreeFox]

You guys ever think about how this thread’ll be done for in a month or two?

I dont know but I hope that before that I will have 1000 posts. I created this account during this smash speculation so I think it would be nice mileage to end this smash speculation cycle.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I'm just trying to comprehend the logic that the last character would take 6 entire months when all 5 prior characters are done and accounted for.


The wait between Byleth to Min Min makes sense, because they were beginning development on a 2nd pass, and, ya know, COVID ****ed everything up, but things went back to normal, and after Steve, things actually SPED UP.

Not to mention the teams were working on multiple characters at once. Which begs the question: if December was always the deadline, they could have spaced the others out more instead of basically giving us a character every 2 and a half months sunce June 2020.

So yeah, unless this specific character is somehow more insane than Mr. "We had to reprogram all stages", then there's no reason to stretch things out more than they need to.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Don’t want to switch the topic to Nahobino but I’ve seen worse logic, especially relating such logic to the character

I recall someone saying that they made Pass 2 JUST to get Nahobino in the game and the other 5 fighters in the pass are extras or something along these lines…

I don’t know how one could comprehend or thing of something like that tbh.
Like did you forget Steve was in talks for 5 years, that Nintendo wanted ARMS and XC2 representation, etc?

 

[Shroob]

Not to mention the teams were working on multiple characters at once. Which begs the question: if December was always the deadline, they could have spaced the others out more instead of basically giving us a character every 2 and a half months sunce June 2020.

So yeah, unless this specific character is somehow more insane than Mr. "We had to reprogram all stages", then there's no reason to stretch things out more than they need to.

And like, this would also imply that the team had just, not worked on CP11 at all until around Kazuya dropping more or less, which seems... extremely doubtful.



If there were like, 2 characters left, then yeah, I could see it, but it's 1.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

I find it highly unlikely our last fighter in the pass would take all the way to December to be revealed/released. Even Steve, who was so complex that they had to reprogram/redesign every stage in the game to work for his gameplay style, didn't take more than a 3 months give or take a week or two between the reveal and release of MinMin last year. It's unlikely our last fighter is going to be that complex to develop.

They have been working on Steve for a long time, not just since Min Min.

Do you really think Joker would take longer to make than Steve?

There is also no reason to think that they have to spend all of this time actually making the character, they can easily make the character and then save it for release later.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Hmm
I said it many times, that they could do a TGA reveal if the character is big enough I suppose, but holding back the character if he/she/it is done would just be… bland, if you will.
Unless said character is big name AND complicated to design? I can’t think of anyone who could fit such a bill, but you never know I suppose.

 

[N3ON]

All you really have to do is look at how the gap between Pass 1 and 2 release-wise mirrors that of base and Pass 1 (plant aside) to see that rather than some revolving door of development wherein Min Min would've been started around the time Banjo finished, they likely got Pass 1 finished before more than early work really picked up on Pass 2.

I know some people posit that without covid, Min Min would've released around March, but I really dispute that. To me it seems they mostly work on the phases in chunks rather than seamlessly and gradually transition from one to the next.

 

[Idon]

Well let's think about the pros and cons of ending the pass on December 2021.

Cons:
Lack of Completed Smash marketing going into the holiday season.
Lingering excitement for Smash Ultimate depleting as the info drought drags on.
Consumer frustration and long term resentment that the pass they bought 2 years ago has had its content pushed back for seemingly no reason.
Space in people's minds being taken up by other videogames from Nintendo and/or other fighting games in the meanwhile.
Messing with other games' spotlight that would also be releasing in the Holiday season.

Pros:
It would coincide with the anniversary of the game which is pretty cool.
SMTV would technically be out by then which means it can be in Smash, POGGERS.

So as you can see, it's pretty even.

 

[Theguy123]

Hmm
I said it many times, that they could do a TGA reveal if the character is big enough I suppose, but holding back the character if he/she/it is done would just be… bland, if you will.
Unless said character is big name AND complicated to design? I can’t think of anyone who could fit such a bill, but you never know I suppose.

they could do a TGA reveal, but to be honest I don’t see it happening because. You’d think that if a big name character was at the game awards then they’d have to have a cgi trailer on par of better than sephiroth. it’s obvious that sephiroth used most of the cgi budget for the pass

It’s obvious because pyra and myphra didn’t get much of a cgi trailer even though min min got a long animated trailer and then kazuya himself got a relatively short cgi trailer considering it was an e3 reveal as well.

chances are the last character will have a cgi trailer on par with kazuya and pyra/mythra meaning they’re not gonna be a huge pick that’s known everywhere like sephiroth is.

that’s my personal take though on the situation

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

There is also no reason to think that they have to spend all of this time actually making the character, they can easily make the character and then save it for release later.

Then what is this “it must be delays” argument?

If you acknowledge a fighter can be finished well before their release it makes no sense to debate they’ve been pushed back 3 months behind schedule.

 

[MattX20]

To me, my guess for the September direct's air date would be September 1st at the earliest and the 9th at the latest since Wario Ware Get it Together is the major Nintendo title for that month and they would probably want to get that out of the way before the 10th.

 

[MasterCheef]

Then what is this “it must be delays” argument?

If you acknowledge a fighter can be finished well before their release it makes no sense to debate they’ve been pushed back 3 months behind schedule.

i am pretty confident Sakurai is sitting pretty on at least 3 probably 4 finished fighters.

 

[Shroob]

i am pretty confident Sakurai is sitting pretty on at least 3 probably 4 finished fighters.

I mean, there's 1 left.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Like did you forget Steve was in talks for 5 years, that Nintendo wanted ARMS and XC2 representation, etc?

I keep telling you that the 2nd pass didn’t originally exist. If it did exist then Arms and Xenoblade 2 wouldn’t have gotten content in Smash before Min Min and Pyra/Mythra got in(like Three Houses didn’t before Byleth).

Min Min, Pyra and the main character of the most popular video game of all time are not some once and a lifetime additions to warrant a 2nd pass. Nahobino on the other hand will never be relevant for Smash ever again after this even if SMT blows up and SMT VI is heavily requested for the next Smash, and given that SMT V is very much a Switch seller showing off the capabilities of the system and the change in the range of the average Nintendo consumer, Nahobino and SMT V is very much worth designing a 2nd pass around.

My logic is perfectly sound on all fronts there even if I am somehow wrong on that.

 

[Shroob]

I keep telling you that the 2nd pass didn’t originally exist. If it did exist then Arms and Xenoblade 2 wouldn’t have gotten content in Smash before Min Min and Pyra/Mythra got in(like Three Houses didn’t before Byleth).

Min Min, Pyra and the main character of the most popular video game of all time are not some once and a lifetime additions to warrant a 2nd pass. Nahobino on the other hand will never be relevant for Smash ever again after this even if SMT blows up and SMT VI is heavily requested for the next Smash, and given that SMT V is very much a Switch seller showing off the capabilities of the system and the change in the range of the average Nintendo consumer, Nahobino and SMT V is very much worth designing a 2nd pass around.

My logic is perfectly sound on all fronts there even if I am somehow wrong on that.

This logic is.... well, it's something alright.


You're basically saying that Sephiroth and Minecraft Steve are window dressing for a character who isn't even out yet.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

It’s obvious because pyra and myphra didn’t get much of a cgi trailer even though min min got a long animated trailer and then kazuya himself got a relatively short cgi trailer considering it was an e3 reveal as well.

chances are the last character will have a cgi trailer on par with kazuya and pyra/mythra meaning they’re not gonna be a huge pick that’s known everywhere like sephiroth is.

that’s my personal take though on the situation

Wait dude that’s actually a smart observation good for you on picking that up.

And in response, yea I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t get a CGI trailer that was on par or topped Sephiroth regarding the number of characters (1st + 3rd party) and timelength

 

[Schnee117]

I keep telling you that the 2nd pass didn’t originally exist. If it did exist then Arms and Xenoblade 2 wouldn’t have gotten content in Smash before Min Min and Pyra/Mythra got in(like Three Houses didn’t before Byleth).

Min Min, Pyra and the main character of the most popular video game of all time are not some once and a lifetime additions to warrant a 2nd pass. Nahobino on the other hand will never be relevant for Smash ever again after this even if SMT blows up and SMT VI is heavily requested for the next Smash, and given that SMT V is very much a Switch seller showing off the capabilities of the system and the change in the range of the average Nintendo consumer, Nahobino and SMT V is very much worth designing a 2nd pass around.

My logic is perfectly sound on all fronts there even if I am somehow wrong on that.

Your logic for Nahobino applies directly to Pyra/Mythra.
Hell the next Xenoblade game is actually heavily rumoured right now. If they weren't DLC here, they'd have missed out entirely.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I keep telling you that the 2nd pass didn’t originally exist. If it did exist then Arms and Xenoblade 2 wouldn’t have gotten content in Smash before Min Min and Pyra/Mythra got in(like Three Houses didn’t before Byleth).

Min Min, Pyra and the main character of the most popular video game of all time are not some once and a lifetime additions to warrant a 2nd pass. Nahobino on the other hand will never be relevant for Smash ever again after this even if SMT blows up and SMT VI is heavily requested for the next Smash, and given that SMT V is very much a Switch seller showing off the capabilities of the system and the change in the range of the average Nintendo consumer, Nahobino and SMT V is very much worth designing a 2nd pass around.

My logic is perfectly sound on all fronts there even if I am somehow wrong on that.

They’re not gonna design a DLC pass around one character as if the others don’t matter. If they only wanted Nahobino they wouldn’t have done an entire pass. Could they wait until the next game for some characters? Sure, but why do that when they could get them now since they’re perfectly able to, could make some good money off popular characters people like, and strengthen partnerships with the characters’ companies?

 

[MasterCheef]

I mean, there's 1 left.

End of DLC after Fighter pass 2 is fake news and propaganda

assuming ( Mario Rapper Leak ) + ( LoL leak ) + ( Matoi Leak ) are true which i believe they are

here are the next most likely fighters


Phoenix Wright ( Ace Attorney ) via Capcom

Paya ( Legend of Zelda ) via Nintendo
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+ characters extremely probable​

Ahri ( League of Legends ) via Riot Games & Tencent

Master Chief ( Halo ) via 343 Industries & Microsoft

Matoi ( Phantasy Star Online 2 ) via Sega

Milla Maxwell ( Tales of Xillia 1&2 ) via Bandai Namco

Jack-O from ( Guilty Gear XRD Revelator ) via Arc System

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

This logic is.... well, it's something alright.


You're basically saying that Sephiroth and Minecraft Steve are window dressing for a character who isn't even out yet.

Sephiroth is a classic villain that lives forever in the Final Fantasy fandom, he could have come to Smash 6 games from now and the reception would be pretty similar. Steve was requested years ago.

Characters that were always going to get into Smash aren’t window dressing for anything, they just came because now is the best time to put them in.

 

[FreeFox]

My logic is perfectly sound on all fronts there even if I am somehow wrong on that.

Please, dont take offense from asking but how does that work?

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I keep telling you that the 2nd pass didn’t originally exist.

This is actually true. When Pass 2 was formally revealed Sakurai mentioned how he thought a couple extra fighters would suffice before the plan changed.

If it did exist then Arms and Xenoblade 2 wouldn’t have gotten content in Smash before Min Min and Pyra/Mythra got in(like Three Houses didn’t before Byleth).

Tekken.

Min Min, Pyra and the main character of the most popular video game of all time are not some once and a lifetime additions to warrant a 2nd pass.

Min Min and Pyra/Mythra absolutely are. Xenoblade is an anthology series meaning an XC2 rep will always be on the backend going forward as another Xenoblade will be more relevant. Just look at Elma. ARMS isn’t guaranteed a sequel meaning adding it later is completely up in the air.

Nahobino on the other hand will never be relevant for Smash ever again after this even if SMT blows up and SMT VI is heavily requested for the next Smash, and given that SMT V is very much a Switch seller showing off the capabilities of the system and the change in the range of the average Nintendo consumer, Nahobino and SMT V is very much worth designing a 2nd pass around.

No character is worth designing a second pass around. That is a ridiculous notion. Nintendo is not going to dictate every other member of FP2 based on an unrelated member of it.

My logic is perfectly sound on all fronts there even if I am somehow wrong on that.

I hope its Nahobino for your own sake because you will look so unbelievably foolish if it isn’t him with an ego like that.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I don’t mind if you predict a character but don’t predict a character in a blatantly obnoxious way, whether voluntary or involuntary

 

[N3ON]

SMT games come out far enough apart that it's entirely possible there isn't a newer cast to draw from by the time Smash 6 starts selecting its roster. Remember, that step usually happens two or three years before the game actually releases.

Though it's true that at one point FP2 was just a complete hypothetical in the minds behind development, so yeah, it's not like those characters were destined for inclusion from the jump. They only got in because Nintendo decided to keep going.

But no character is so paramount as to have an entire pass constructed around them. Not the least of which because the idea they'd have to trojan horse a character so critical to include is paradoxical. The monetary, time and personnel investment to keep going is greater than any one character.

Plus casting Sephiroth and Steve as afterthoughts to a character that probably wasn't even completely defined when FP2 was selected is silly.

assuming ( Mario Rapper Leak ) + ( LoL leak ) + ( Matoi Leak ) are true which i believe they are

Godspeed

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I keep telling you that the 2nd pass didn’t originally exist. If it did exist then Arms and Xenoblade 2 wouldn’t have gotten content in Smash before Min Min and Pyra/Mythra got in(like Three Houses didn’t before Byleth).

I understand what you're trying to say here, but Three Houses didn't have content until Byleth came out because Three Houses came out like 7 months after Ultimate base game did.