Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Mushroomguy12]

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[Willbuysmash4mw]

Is it that farfetched to see 2022 games? After all September is 3 months out to 2022 itself.

Making a direct focused on the new year and maybe having some small 2021 games and mentions of upcoming releases mixed in with games for the new year sounds about right to me.

It’s a bit too early for Legends Arceus or any known 2022 game that already has a full length trailer. I also doubt they will show Legends Arceus at the Game Awards or something so the Nintendo direct will be the last big trailer before that game comes out.

I suppose the SMT V trailer could just be during the Nintendo direct and they will reveal the dub then, but that doesn’t justify the November release date if the only reason the game isn’t out yet is already finished months before the release date.

It would be better to have the fall direct in late October or early November if you want the main focus to be on 2022 games, that way you can have the last trailers for Pokémon Gen 4 remakes(maybe revealing the Platinum stuff if it is all there), SMT V and maybe Advance Wars(if there are any big changes) and then dive straight into 2022 with Arceus(I suspect it will connect with the Gen 4 remakes so showing both of them in the same direct while focusing mainly on Arceus would be the best way to show that) and go from there.

 

[Shroob]

It’s a bit too early for Legends Arceus or any known 2022 game that already has a full length trailer. I also doubt they will show Legends Arceus at the Game Awards or something so the Nintendo direct will be the last big trailer before that game comes out.

I suppose the SMT V trailer could just be during the Nintendo direct and they will reveal the dub then, but that doesn’t justify the November release date if the only reason the game isn’t out yet is already finished months before the release date.

It would be better to have the fall direct in late October or early November if you want the main focus to be on 2022 games, that way you can have the last trailers for Pokémon Gen 4 remakes(maybe revealing the Platinum stuff if it is all there), SMT V and maybe Advance Wars(if there are any big changes) and then dive straight into 2022 with Arceus and go from there.

I severely doubt we're going to be entering 130+ day territory for CP11. That would make it the longest wait for the pass barring the Byleth > Min Min gap.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

I severely doubt we're going to be entering 130+ day territory for CP11. That would make it the longest wait for the pass barring the Byleth > Min Min gap.

I really don’t think we will get a reveal during the direct anyway, even if we get the direct in early November.

 

[Shroob]

I really don’t think we will get a reveal during the direct anyway, even if we get the direct in early November.

So then when do you think it's coming?


Because no, I don't buy into the wait being a whole lot longer. CP11 will probably drop very soon, we're almost at 80 days since Kazuya was revealed, which is almost the sum average of wait periods.

 

[3BitSaurus]

So then when do you think it's coming?


Because no, I don't buy into the wait being a whole lot longer. CP11 will probably drop very soon, we're almost at 80 days since Kazuya was revealed, which is almost the sum average of wait periods.

On top of that, I don't think we've got a single general Direct without Smash news since Ultimate got announced.

If memory serves, in some years the fall Direct was in October, so at the absolute worst, I'd wager that would be the longest we'd have to wait. Though, considering we just got an Indie World AND a Pokémon Presents, I doubt we'll have to wait much longer.

 

[Shroob]

On top of that, I don't think we've got a single general Direct without Smash news since Ultimate got announced.

If memory serves, in some years the fall Direct was in October, so at the absolute worst, I'd wager that would be the longest we'd have to wait. Though, considering we just got an Indie World AND a Pokémon Presents, I doubt we'll have to wait much longer.

We haven't gotten a single General Direct without Smash news period while Smash is active.


Even something as simple as "Joker's coming soon!", or, "ARMS guessing game!" when they have nothing new to show us.

 

[Dinoman96]

Guess I'll repost this again

As of now, since March 2018, February 2019 has been the only traditional General Direct to not have a new fighter reveal. But obviously that was because Joker had been revealed prematurely at TGA 2018 and they weren't about to go unveil Hero when the previous character wasn't out yet.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

So then when do you think it's coming?


Because no, I don't buy into the wait being a whole lot longer. CP11 will probably drop very soon, we're almost at 80 days since Kazuya was revealed, which is almost the sum average of wait periods.

I honestly think it will be at the Game Awards, that is the closest event to the 3rd anniversary of the game, and it is the anniversary event of the reveal of the 1st dlc fighter(and because I can’t see the character being anyone else other than Nahobino he is the only character that perfectly fits that timeframe given who that first character was).

It makes no sense to bring out the final character months before the 3rd anniversary just because people expect the release pattern to continue and are impatient. This is literally the end of Smash Ultimate, not just the next character.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

September is very likely to me, but October doesn't sound impossible either. It honestly depends how much work he actually needed to do before the character is ready. That comes first. The only way there would be a massive wait between the reveal and the release is if we're talking another guessing game, and at that point, they would've did that kind of reveal already.

They no longer are doing reveals(guessing games aside) unless the character is actually close to ready. Why would that change? If they need to take longer, they'll take longer. Could that mean till October? Sure.

That said, I do think a September Direct would do the reveal if it's close enough to be finished to do so. It's not impossible we get one separate final Smash direct either, but they don't need to do that with one character either. The normal presentation would happen later anyway, so by September's end, we should have the character(or at least the reveal, presentation, and release would be around a month together time-wise).

Or it could be by October's End. Sorry, I kind of make it sound like only September was possible with my last statement. Which goes against the point I was making. Worth saying I don't think "till December" is realistic. I could see that as maybe a mode update/actual big thing that isn't a Character reveal, though. Or it could just be "we're ending support beyond balance patches" too.

 

[Shroob]

I honestly think it will be at the Game Awards, that is the closest event to the 3rd anniversary of the game, and it is the anniversary event of the reveal of the 1st dlc fighter(and because I can’t see the character being anyone else other than Nahobino he is the only character that perfectly fits that timeframe given who that first character was).

It makes no sense to bring out the final character months before the 3rd anniversary just because people expect the release pattern to continue and are impatient. This is literally the end of Smash Ultimate, not just the next character.

I mean, that'd be great, if they ever showed any interest in the anniversary in the past before now.


The literal most that we've gotten was a Tweet saying "Oh neat, Smash Ultimate came out 1/2 years ago on this day!", and we've seen between Smash 4 and Ultimate that game anniversaries are meaningless to reveals.


This is romanticizing Ultimate for the sake of it, when Nintendo's the one in control here. If they wanna drop the DLC, they're going to, regardless of any feel good anniversary moments.

 

[Idon]

I mean, that'd be great, if they ever showed any interest in the anniversary in the past before now.


The literal most that we've gotten was a Tweet saying "Oh neat, Smash Ultimate came out 1/2 years ago on this day!", and we've seen between Smash 4 and Ultimate that game anniversaries are meaningless to reveals.


This is romanticizing Ultimate for the sake of it, when Nintendo's the one in control here. If they wanna drop the DLC, they're going to, regardless of any feel good anniversary moments.

Plus if they wanna celebrate the anniversary, they could just... do it without coinciding with a smash character trailer.

 

[JustPlainDan]

In terms of what could be shown in the next Direct, how great would it be if it was that rumored DK game; anything at all for the 40th anniversary would be cool.

 

[Noipoi]

In terms of what could be shown in the next Direct, how great would it be if it was rumored DK game; anything at all for the 40th anniversary would be cool.

That’s the dream, bro.

 

[Theguy123]

It’s a bit too early for Legends Arceus or any known 2022 game that already has a full length trailer.

how’s it too soon for a Pokémon legends trailer. It comes out in January. Splattoon 3 got footage shown off in February and that game probably doesn’t even come out till mid 2022. There’s no logic right there unless I’m somehow reading your post wrong.

not to mention splattoon 3 is probably gonna be the spotlight of this direct in September

 

[CannonStreak]

I wouldn't say a character reveal will happen at the Game Awards so late. In fact, I'd say by now, the character reveal could be at anytime. I don't think will be waiting more than the usual time between characters as others pointed out. A September Direct seems like the best bet for a character reveal.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I don't think anyone saying December actually believes it, for what it's worth.

I mean no ones ruling it out either to my knowledge at least

They could give us non FP content and then make us wait until, say, TGA for the reveal

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

how’s it too soon for a Pokémon legends trailer. It comes out in January. Splattoon 3 got footage shown off in February and that game probably doesn’t even come out till mid 2022. There’s no logic right there unless I’m somehow reading your post wrong.

not to mention splattoon 3 is probably gonna be the spotlight of this direct in September

That was just a reveal trailer. Legends got a reveal trailer in March. SMT V got an official reveal trailer in late 2017. Reveal trailers mean nothing in terms of a marketing schedule before a release.

I doubt Splatoon 3 is going to be a main focus of the Nintendo direct no matter when it comes out, we will likely just get another feature revealed and some new stages and characters.

 

[Sucumbio]

Yeah, Smash 64 was only ever re-released through the Wii's Virtual Console. It didn't get on Wii U even though that also had N64 games as well. Interestingly, Smash 64 was supposed to be a Masterpiece in Smash Wii U but it got scrapped for reasons unknown.

The big main thing keeping Melee, as well as most other GCN games from seeing the light of day again, is the simple fact that Nintendo doesn't and probably won't ever sell them through a Virtual Console styled service, or alternatively put them on NSO. That's pretty much the only way a game like Melee would ever be re-released as Nintendo clearly isn't going to do a "Melee HD" release for $59.99 when they want people to instead buy the all-new Smash games.

I've wondered if there's a coding issue. The Prime games for example were eloquently ported to the Wii but since Switch it's now an issue according to retro... So perhaps this is the case f9r anything n64 and up preventing an NSO release? As pay titles I could see plenty of games that'd get my dollar but if it costs more to rewrite the games to work "well" on switch than they predict they'll make they won't do it obv.

 

[Noipoi]

I dunno about main focus, but Splatoon 3 I feel will definitely get a decent amount of coverage. I think Legends will probably just get one or two new Pokémon and/or forms revealed. I’m also pretty confident the next Kirby will be at least teased. And maybe a Xenoblade 3 tease.

And I’m hoping that new DK is revealed as well.

 

[N3ON]

Considering that Metroid Dread is getting a trailer at the end of this month and SMT V is getting a trailer at the end of September I doubt a Nintendo Direct is coming in September.

Dread has wound up as one of Nintendo's big holiday games, they'll probably have another trailer next month and go more in depth with the game in the Sept Direct, especially since BD/SP probably won't take up much, if any, of that Direct.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I dunno about main focus, but Splatoon 3 I feel will definitely get a decent amount of coverage. I think Legends will probably just get one or two new Pokémon and/or forms revealed. I’m also pretty confident the next Kirby will be at least teased. And maybe a Xenoblade 3 tease.

And I’m hoping that new DK is revealed as well.

Honestly surprised we haven’t seen a new DK yet. The Tropical Freeze port was a big letdown.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

As I've noted before there's always been Smash news in a general Direct since early 2018 (with even the February 2019 one showing off Joker's in game model for the first time), and given Nintendo's very hit-and-miss record with caring about anniversaries, I don't see why that would change now. Moreover, given that they'll be wanting to get a lot of eyes on whatever's revealed in the presentation (including Metroid), there's an obvious marketing hook in potentially holding off the Smash reveal to the end of it given that a lot of people will watch the whole thing just to see that.

As far as the Direct itself, I really hope we get one more game announcement for holiday 2021. I'm happy for Pokémon, SMT, & Advance Wars fans that are all looking to get great titles, but something like a Kirby or DK game announcement would really make me excited.

 

[Noipoi]

They’ve been going all in on Dread. I expect it to have a dedicated section of the direct honestly.

 

[Dinoman96]

Honestly surprised we haven’t seen a new DK yet. The Tropical Freeze port was a big letdown.

Well, the developer of the modern DKC games has been drafted to go back to working on Metroid Prime again.

(i don't really believe the monkepd rumors at this point)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Another reason why I don't go all hard-in on September(but it's pretty likely) is they literally subverted e3 with one reveal in total. I don't adhere strictly to patterns. September is a great time business-wise to reveal it, of course. That's why I think it's likely. But as I said, I don't think they're go to do it for business reasons here. Sakurai not having the character ready plays a pretty big role in making the reveal the best. They already went a different direction after the ARMS guessing game(and for good reasons. The wait was torture). That's why I think it's going to be only in September if the character is outright ready to release within the same total month(so at least 30 days after the reveal. No more. But could be less).

October sounds the latest to me because there's no real reason to keep it going on this long anymore. The hype cycle has been over with for a while now, and it's easy to end it at a reasonable pace(which is what they've been doing, since effectively they've had one character at e3 twice in a row in order to spread the characters out better. Min Min was probably meant to be closer to March or April, with Steve either being e3 or maybe a month later if he wasn't plausible to reveal yet. Sephiroth being the late end). On the other hand, we haven't been waiting that long really for the final reveal. It's pretty reasonable spread, imo.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Dread has wound up as one of Nintendo's big holiday games, they'll probably have another trailer next month and go more in depth with the game in the Sept Direct, especially since BD/SP probably won't take up much, if any, of that Direct.

If BD/SP has Platinum stuff that would actually be huge, that would make the remake by far the best version of Gen 4.

Dread is actually just a fall game that will have a bit of staying power.

 

[blackghost]

Metroid dread and prime 4 are critical moments for metroid as a franchise. It's do or die Nintendo is gonna push and advertise all it can to see how much people actually like the series. When fe got that push it excelled and broke its records, now it's metroids turn to prove itself in the modern landscape.

Smash isn't the center of Nintendo universe especially when it's dlc. New games> dlc inclusions from a profits pov.
Nintendo still has to show stuff like bayo 3, no more heroes 3, splatoon 3, shinmagami, and more.
I'd be looking more for a bayo 3 trailer or a no more heroes trailer at game awards than a dk or other main line Nintendo series.
Also there are rumors of a new fire emblem coming soon that may be directly tied to three houses.

 

[Shroob]

Another reason why I don't go all hard-in on September(but it's pretty likely) is they literally subverted e3 with one reveal in total. I don't adhere strictly to patterns. September is a great time business-wise to reveal it, of course. That's why I think it's likely. But as I said, I don't think they're go to do it for business reasons here. Sakurai not having the character ready plays a pretty big role in making the reveal the best. They already went a different direction after the ARMS guessing game(and for good reasons. The wait was torture). That's why I think it's going to be only in September if the character is outright ready to release within the same total month(so at least 30 days after the reveal. No more. But could be less).

October sounds the latest to me because there's no real reason to keep it going on this long anymore. The hype cycle has been over with for a while now, and it's easy to end it at a reasonable pace(which is what they've been doing, since effectively they've had one character at e3 twice in a row in order to spread the characters out better. Min Min was probably meant to be closer to March or April, with Steve either being e3 or maybe a month later if he wasn't plausible to reveal yet. Sephiroth being the late end). On the other hand, we haven't been waiting that long really for the final reveal. It's pretty reasonable spread, imo.

Believe it or not, but it's been like, 66-67 days since E3, and by the time the month's over, it'll be closer to 77-ish.

Roughly mid-80's is the 'average' between reveals in both FP1 and FP2, so while it isn't that long as of writing this, come the first FULL week of September, it officially will be.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Given how much GameFreak/TPC tends to do their own thing anyway in terms of video presentations, I can see easily them having some standard updates for the BD/SP remakes in the Fall Direct and then doing a full-blown promotional push for Arceus via a Pokémon Presents in January 2022.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Metroid dread and prime 4 are critical moments for metroid as a franchise. It's do or die Nintendo is gonna push and advertise all it can to see how much people actually like the series. When fe got that push it excelled and broke its records, now it's metroids turn to prove itself in the modern landscape.

Smash isn't the center of Nintendo universe especially when it's dlc. New games> dlc inclusions from a profits pov.
Nintendo still has to show stuff like bayo 3, no more heroes 3, splatoon 3, shinmagami, and more.
I'd be looking more for a bayo 3 trailer or a no more heroes trailer at game awards than a dk or other main line Nintendo series.
Also there are rumors of a new fire emblem coming soon that may be directly tied to three houses.

Why No More Heroes? No More Heroes 3 comes out this month.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Believe it or not, but it's been like, 66-67 days since E3, and by the time the month's over, it'll be closer to 77-ish.

Roughly mid-80's is the 'average' between reveals in both FP1 and FP2, so while it isn't that long as of writing this, come the first FULL week of September, it officially will be.

That's more or less why I don't think one more month would really be a big deal. It's still a fairly long wait, but we were also spoiled hard by Pass 1 being smushed together badly(including PP overall as part of it), and that took about a total year(with PP) reveals/release combined.

I still expect it in September, but I'm prepared to wait another month if it somehow happens.

I'm more interested in what that extra data information would be, since we learned something else apparently is coming(that isn't a new mode or more characters, anyway). Like, there's no chance I'll get my top wanted anyway(okay, Scorpion I can admit has a ghost of a chance among the top ones), so the hype is very unlikely to hit me. I'm not pessimistic, either, mind you. Just more neutral.

 

[blackghost]

Why No More Heroes? No More Heroes 3 comes out this month.

It does? Wow I can't be the only one who doesn't know that and I follow Gaming news relatively well. I'm sitting here thinking I won't have a new release of interst until tales of arise or so.

 

[Shroob]

That's more or less why I don't think one more month would really be a big deal. It's still a fairly long wait, but we were also spoiled hard by Pass 1 being smushed together badly(including PP overall as part of it), and that took about a total year(with PP) reveals/release combined.

I still expect it in September, but I'm prepared to wait another month if it somehow happens.

I'm more interested in what that extra data information would be, since we learned something else apparently is coming(that isn't a new mode or more characters, anyway). Like, there's no chance I'll get my top wanted anyway(okay, Scorpion I can admit has a ghost of a chance among the top ones), so the hype is very unlikely to hit me. I'm not pessimistic, either, mind you. Just more neutral.

I mean, it wouldn't be a big deal, but it'd officially be the longest wait of both passes, surpassing the 100+ days of Min Min to Steve.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I mean, it wouldn't be a big deal, but it'd officially be the longest wait of both passes, surpassing the 100+ days of Min Min to Steve.

I mean, the longest wait was still Byleth to Min Min. And I don't think we'd ever hit that long either. 100+ days wouldn't even surprise me.

But not 6 months again. That would be very surprising.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

I mean, it wouldn't be a big deal, but it'd officially be the longest wait of both passes, surpassing the 100+ days of Min Min to Steve.

Joker’s reveal to Hero’s was the longest wait.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

In terms of time between fighter releases within the same pass, its actually Pyra/Mytha to Kazuya that was the longest at 117 days.

It's why I'd be surprised if the one after the latter will be that long a wait given it's hardly been a rushed series of releases this year.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

I’m super confident the direct is gonna open up and we’re gonna hear luke say “professorrrrrrrrrrr……. Where are we going” and then Layton will say “Luke my boy, don’t you see, we’ve been invited to the legendary smash bros”

I’m ready to die on that path. I’m confident. Super confident. Obviously no guarantees but I’m confident.

Reckon it’ll be a teaser like terry. Trailer for the character and then maybe show off a move or 2 and then say this character needs a bit longer to be developed

In my honest opinion, I just want to see a trailer that starts off with Zero's wrecked helmet at Area Zero, and see a letter float down and land next to it. A blonde girl wearing a pink coat can be seen saying “Zero… I know you’re still out there… please come back…”

Kirby looks on and hops down to try and comfort the girl, but then they see a light coming from the helmet. A cyber-elf comes down, entering the helmet as a bright light covers the entire area. When the light clears, the girl and Kirby (the latter being held in the former’s arms) open their eyes and turn around to see Zero (Z) - put back together by his Cyber-Elf form - standing in front of them, and he turns around to say “Ciel… it’s been a long time, hasn’t it?”

I and others will die on this hill, and I think it’ll be something like Joker. Have what I said as a teaser trailer, and then say the character is in development.

I don't think anyone saying December actually believes it, for what it's worth.

Hey, seeing is believing, am I right?

 

[Shroob]

Joker’s reveal to Hero’s was the longest wait.

I mean, we got Piranha Plant, Joker news, and Joker himself during that time, so I'd hardly count that as 'a wait'.

 

[Sucumbio]

I hate bringing up the $ aspect because I'm no economist but I do forget these characters (DLC) cost money and so obviously waiting to reveal him until after Christmas shopping season in America is... well .. dumb. If they're available for download by October good on Nintendo but at the least they'll need to be mentioned in September in one way or another so kids can grab their mommy's wallets and buy ****.