Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SMAASH! Puppy]

What would ya'll opinion be on a Digimon in Smash?

My opinion: Yes. Give.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Alright, let's see. We got:

Dixie Kong, Toad, That Girl from Eternal Darkness, Mona, Magnus, Sylux, Goku, Rivali, ...Can't even make it out, Sukapon,
Karate Joe, Ray MK. III, Midna, dunno, still dunno, Baby Mario, Foreman Spike?, Hades, Pico, Tom Nook,
Gooey, King Hippo, That Guy from Ever Oasis, Jill, Cranky Kong, dunno, King Boo, Master Koga, Tsubasa Oribe,
Mipha, dunno, still dunno, really dunno, Doc Lewis, dunno, still dunno, Birdo, dunno, Ashley,
Chibi-Robo, Prince of Sable, Takamaru, That Guy from Sushi Strikers: Way of the Sushido, Viridi, Tetra, Dark Matter, Doshiin the Giant, dunno, Donkey Kong Jr.,
Samurai Goroh, Koopa Troopa, Skull Kid, Captain Syrup, Unnamed Girl from Rhythm Heaven, Ganon, Euden, Metroid, Andy, Marx,
Wario (Wario: Master of Disguise), Dillion, dunno, Kamek, Adeline, Black Shadow, Saki, dunno, Daruk, Elma
Mach Rider, Urbosa, Starfy, dunno, Isaac, Pom Pom, Porky, Bald Bull, dunno, Tiki,
Chozo, Yarn Yoshi, Rick & Kine & Koo, Uh...M-Mable? Marin?, Nikki, Seven, Medusa, Professor Wright (or something like that), Paper Mario, dunno,
K.K. Slider, dunno, still dunno, Sherrif, Krystal, Funky Kong, That Guy from Startropics, Captain Rainbow, Kumatora, and Tingle

81/100 ain't bad.

Anyway, a bit like what was said earlier, Nintendo doesn't have a shortage of cool characters, but it is running out of characters with high broad appeal. Like, how many people would care if Pom Pom were added to the game? How many would even recognize Doshiin the Giant? I don't think they're all bad additions, but as far as big, marketable DLC picks go, pretty much all of them miss the mark.

I do think a lot of Characters could be DLC, both First and Third (Byleth), it just depends on if the Gimmick is strong enough or if they're extremely relevant (Byleth and Min Min both had one of these and Modern Kirby would have both)

 

[Cosmic77]

If they added Spirits from one of KT's other games, I might be willing to say it was more significant.

AoC is a Zelda game. A Nintendo game. KT may have helped make it, but is it really that surprising that they'd add Spirits for a recent first-party title?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Oh wait!

remember when the Atelier director deconfirmed Ryza?

What if Atelier Ryza/Atelier series in general Spirit Event? Maybe we’ll see the former when Ryza 2 comes out

 

[Technomage]

New prediction regarding the last 3.

CP9: Chun-Li
CP10: Ryu Hayabusa
CP11: Cinderace

I predict:

CP 9: Crash Bandicoot
CP 10: Sora
CP 11: Surprise character that would break Twitter more than any previous character

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

This sounds like a fun game. If you could add 3 bosses to Ultimate, who would they be?
My 3.
1. Giygas
2. Mother Brain
3. GladOS.

1. Metal Sonic Kai (Knuckles' Chaotix)

2. Kula Diamond (KOF 2000)

3. Shadow Link (Four Swords)

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm pretty sure most of those 19 characters are actually spirits in Ultimate, such as the guy next to Mipha and the girl next to Sheriff.

It wouldn't surprise me, but I was going off of memory. Honestly it's good that I didn't get them all since then people would assume that I cheated and/or the entire point of making the post was to try and flex on people. lol

 

[JOJONumber691]

If they added Spirits from one of KT's other games, I might be willing to say it was more significant.

AoC is a Zelda game. A Nintendo game. KT may have helped make it, but is it really that surprising that they'd add Spirits for a recent first-party title?

Considering how Hyrule Warriors was Hayabusa's only other feasible competition (besides him not getting in at all), Hayabusa may as well be a lock, considering business relations, co-owning a series with Nintendo, helping with four of their Games (half of which are somewhat canon), and Vergeben as the Cherry on Top and you see why I've accepted Hayabusa is probably in lol.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I checked and nope the most recent copyright is Mojang AB for the big list of playable character copyrights

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koei tecmo does appear in the classic mode credits but that’s for the Yuri Kozukata AT. I do believe other companies that don’t have a playable character appear in classic credits too

I believe he’s referring to this.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I believe he’s referring to this.

Was the Arc System Works copyright on the River City Spirit Event announcement?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Was the Arc System Works copyright on the River City Spirit Event announcement?

Indeed it was

Spoiler

 

[Ivander]

For people who think playable Nintendo characters can happen at a promotional angle:

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Granted, not all of the listed candidates are likely at the moment, but I thought I'd share anyways.

See here's the thing, kids.

It's not so much "Nintendo doesn't have any interesting characters left".

It's "Nintendo doesn't have any interesting characters that actually feel like they could get into Smash" lol

A lot of those characters in that Tweet are just minor side characters or protagonists of long forgotten Nintendo IPs that weren't really that big to begin with. It's not really hard to see why most of them aren't on the radars of the fanbase, nor Nintendo and Sakurai themselves.

It's why I wish they'd do alot more stages that don't have characters, like what happened with Animal Crossing in Brawl or some of the currant stages like Balloon Fighter and Pilotwings. Especially when alot of their IPs have just as much good ideas for stages as they do characters and stages don't need to worry about marketability.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It's why I wish they'd do alot more stages that don't have characters, like what happened with Animal Crossing in Brawl or some of the currant stages like Balloon Fighter and Pilotwings. Especially when alot of their IPs have just as much good ideas for stages as they do characters and stages don't need to worry about marketability.

That actually makes a ton of sense: Reel 'em in with a stage then hit 'em with a character.

The series gets to gain more traction even if you don't go to step 2.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

What would ya'll opinion be on a Digimon in Smash?

Digievolution could be kind of interesting but other than that, I'm more interested in other Bandai Namco reps. I don't see Nintendo or Sakurai picking Agumon as their second Namco rep.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

The Fantasy:

The Reality:

I like how the fantasy had an ARMS character.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I like how the fantasy had an ARMS character.

Byleth too lol

 

[SharkLord]

I believe he’s referring to this.

Yep, that's the one. It's possible the deals for that is what Verge was talking about.

 

[RoboFist]

Byleth too lol

Anyone else remember the speculation game immediately after Ken/Incineroar/Plant's reveal? And we were all "Welp, time to start speculating the inevitable DLC!" and for a good two or three weeks people weren't just speculating but actively hoping for a Three Houses rep to join the roster?

And then Joker was revealed and all 3H talk just disintegrated despite the earlier excitement?

Yeah. Good times.

 

[Idon]

What would ya'll opinion be on a Digimon in Smash?

I would like a digimon in Smash, but they'd probably pick someone lame like Agumon when I much prefer his digivolutions like Metalgreymon, Wargreymon, and especially Omnimon (or omegamon if you're one of those people)

 

[PeridotGX]

Anyone else remember the speculation game immediately after Ken/Incineroar/Plant's reveal? And we were all "Welp, time to start speculating the inevitable DLC!" and for a good two or three weeks people weren't just speculating but actively hoping for a Three Houses rep to join the roster?

And then Joker was revealed and all 3H talk just disintegrated despite the earlier excitement?

Yeah. Good times.

we assumed any missing spirits were basically locks for the DLC. people thought nintendo would be like "welcome to e3, here's poochy and sylux"

 

[Technomage]

I would like a digimon in Smash, but they'd probably pick someone lame like Agumon when I much prefer his digivolutions like Metalgreymon, Wargreymon, and especially Omnimon (or omegamon if you're one of those people)
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Well, a Digimon rep would likely have a Digivolve mechanic (such as switching to Greymon).

 

[Deleted member]

I would like a digimon in Smash, but they'd probably pick someone lame like Agumon when I much prefer his digivolutions like Metalgreymon, Wargreymon, and especially Omnimon (or omegamon if you're one of those people)
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Omnimon(or Omegamon if you’re one of those people)

for me personally they mean pretty much the same thing and they’re similar enough that I just use them interchangeably. Even some of the games do iirc

But honestly I agree with you: If I had to pick a digimon Agumon would be pretty low on that list, despite how much I love Omnimon.

I would go for a Royal Knight though. Maybe one of the Seven Deadly Demon Digimon like Beelzebumon.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Be definitely down for Agumon.

Especially being another dinosaur/reptile character.

I would also imagine he'd have the Pokemon Trainer gimmick. His Down B being Agumon>Greymon>MetalGreymon (Final Smash being WarGreymon).

 

[Deleted member]

Well, a Digimon rep would likely have a Digivolve mechanic (such as switching to Greymon).

Considering the emphases on the fact that Digimon can evolve to just about whatever the recent games have done, I could see them just shoving as many digimon evos as possible into one character. Maybe Monoado Arts style, where each time you evole there’s another couple options?

Although that would probably be extremely hard to code so maybe not

 

[JamesDNaux]

Thing is Square already had two playable characters beforehand - Cloud and Hero. This is ArcSys and KT’s first pieces of content in the game, so IMO it doesn’t bode well. Same goes for Bethesda with the Vault Boy mii, and one might argue it doesn’t look good for Ubisoft with the Altaïr costume either

I really don't understand the logic behind this. Several companies get minor content in Smash but only some of said companies are considered dead in the water because of it, and literally the only difference is if the companies had a fighter or not. Namco gets content in the base game and DLC yet they're still good and well to get another character in the eyes of speculation. Ubisoft gets content in the base game and DLC but they're dead because they don't already have a character. Why would some PNGs or Miis owned by a company stop an unrelated series that happens to be owned by the same company from getting a character? People thought Steve was dead because of Banjo and that at least made more sense because a character actually takes work to make, but that got smashed and Microsoft got two characters. If a company can get two whole characters as DLC I really don't think lesser content will stop characters.

Now for cases like the Resident Evil spirits, yeah, we're probably not getting a Resi character because the spirits would've come with them, but the Resi spirits aren't gonna stop Dante or some other Capcom character from getting in, and Zelda spirits sure as hell mean jack all for Hayabusa.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I like how the fantasy had an ARMS character.

Well yeah, of course ARMS is just a fantasy, there's no POSSIBLE way Nintendo would ever pick a first-party that isn't from Three Houses or Sword and Shield. Ever.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Yep, that's the one. It's possible the deals for that is what Verge was talking about.

Yeah, I think that’s possible but I always took Vergeben’s words as meaning “deals for a character” but I can see how people would think otherwise. I dunno I’m pretty optimistic about a KT rep because of this but I can see why it would be viewed the other way.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Whoops!

Looks Like Nintendo Accidentally Used A Fan-Made Mario Render On Their Website https://t.co/3HkALjQfXC #SuperNintendoWorld #Mario pic.twitter.com/5HnPhIlSrH

— Nintendo Life (@nintendolife) January 7, 2021

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Whoops!

Looks Like Nintendo Accidentally Used A Fan-Made Mario Render On Their Website https://t.co/3HkALjQfXC #SuperNintendoWorld #Mario pic.twitter.com/5HnPhIlSrH

— Nintendo Life (@nintendolife) January 7, 2021

For all their DMCAing of fan content that sure backfired lmao

 

[SharkLord]

What would ya'll opinion be on a Digimon in Smash?

It's been a while since I've seen the show. My younger self watched the first three animes and felt that Guilmon was cooler than Agumon, that much i remember

 

[ahemtoday]

Does this mean we can DMCA them now?

 

[Miles of SmashWiki]

I really don't understand the logic behind this. Several companies get minor content in Smash but only some of said companies are considered dead in the water because of it, and literally the only difference is if the companies had a fighter or not. Namco gets content in the base game and DLC yet they're still good and well to get another character in the eyes of speculation. Ubisoft gets content in the base game and DLC but they're dead because they don't already have a character. Why would some PNGs or Miis owned by a company stop an unrelated series that happens to be owned by the same company from getting a character? People thought Steve was dead because of Banjo and that at least made more sense because a character actually takes work to make, but that got smashed and Microsoft got two characters. If a company can get two whole characters as DLC I really don't think lesser content will stop characters.

Now for cases like the Resident Evil spirits, yeah, we're probably not getting a Resi character because the spirits would've come with them, but the Resi spirits aren't gonna stop Dante or some other Capcom character from getting in, and Zelda spirits sure as hell mean jack all for Hayabusa.

I think the mentality is something along these lines: let's say they were planning on doing Dragonborn or Doomguy as a DLC fighter. Why would they spoil the fact that they were collaborating with Bethesda by releasing the Vault Boy costume beforehand? Wouldn't it be a more exciting surprise to reveal the company's involvement with a fighter as opposed to a Mii costume if a fighter was in the works? We didn't get SNK Mii costumes until we got Terry, for example.

It's not to say "Mii costume makes it impossible for a fighter to get in", but rather "why wouldn't they have saved the Mii costume for later if there was something coming later anyway".

 

[Perkilator]

I like how the fantasy had an ARMS character.

And Byleth, too.

 

[Deleted member]

It's been a while since I've seen the show. My younger self watched the first three animes and felt that Guilmon was cooler than Agumon, that much i remember

Well you haven’t missed much on the anime side but Cyber Sleuth is a blast to play and the collection of it and it’s sequel... well it was $20 a few days ago but it’s a fun game.

 

[SKX31]

Whoops!

Looks Like Nintendo Accidentally Used A Fan-Made Mario Render On Their Website https://t.co/3HkALjQfXC #SuperNintendoWorld #Mario pic.twitter.com/5HnPhIlSrH

— Nintendo Life (@nintendolife) January 7, 2021

Can I just take a moment and just bask in this line's glory?

Further investigation has uncovered the fact that the maker of the impostor Mario also goes by the handle coolest_luigi on Reddit, where they first posted the image.

L is indeed Real, Nintendo.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Ho-oh has a laryngeal prominence (more commonly know as an "Adam's Apple")

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Wait... I'm getting lost in a biology loop. Only mammals have a larynx, but...If its adams apple were that low below the top of the theoretical larynx, with its vocal cords so low, why is its cry so high pitch? And does that mean Ho-oh have more testosterone?

 

[SpecterFlower]

What would ya'll opinion be on a Digimon in Smash?

I would

Wait... I'm getting lost in a biology loop. Only mammals have a larynx, but...If its adams apple were that low below the top of the theoretical larynx, with its vocal cords so low, why is its cry so high pitch? And does that mean Ho-oh have more testosterone?

uh yes totally I know what i'm talking about.

,I guess the designers didn't care if it made sense? and just thought it was more interesting with a larynx prominence than without.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I think the mentality is something along these lines: let's say they were planning on doing Dragonborn or Doomguy as a DLC fighter. Why would they spoil the fact that they were collaborating with Bethesda by releasing the Vault Boy costume beforehand? Wouldn't it be a more exciting surprise to reveal the company's involvement with a fighter as opposed to a Mii costume if a fighter was in the works? We didn't get SNK Mii costumes until we got Terry, for example.

It's not to say "Mii costume makes it impossible for a fighter to get in", but rather "why wouldn't they have saved the Mii costume for later if there was something coming later anyway".

Was Sephiroth a less shocking reveal because we already had Cloud and Hero?

The surprise isn't in the company that's collaborating, it's in the fighter. The reveals aren't "Smash x Atlus" "Smash x SNK" or "Smash x Square Enix", they're "Smash x Persona" or "Smash x Final Fantasy". Vault Boy means Sakurai already dealt with Bethesda yes, but that very act has everyone doubting a Bethesda fighter and thus, one would be a surprise if it happened anyway. Deals for spirits or costumes are just that, deals for spirits and costumes, regardless of fighters. Now yes, typically the costumes at least would come with fighters, but that's not always the case, Banjo had no related costumes whatsoever. Does a company getting nothing but a costume or spirit mean negotiations stopped there? Possibly, but we don't know if they kept going after the fact. Ubisoft had trophies in the last game, then got spirits in the base of this game, and got Miis as DLC, there were ongoing negotiations despite already receiving content.

 

[Miles of SmashWiki]

Was Sephiroth a less shocking reveal because we already had Cloud and Hero?

The surprise isn't in the company that's collaborating, it's in the fighter. The reveals aren't "Smash x Atlus" "Smash x SNK" or "Smash x Square Enix", they're "Smash x Persona" or "Smash x Final Fantasy". Vault Boy means Sakurai already dealt with Bethesda yes, but that very act has everyone doubting a Bethesda fighter and thus, one would be a surprise if it happened anyway. Deals for spirits or costumes are just that, deals for spirits and costumes, regardless of fighters. Now yes, typically the costumes at least would come with fighters, but that's not always the case, Banjo had no related costumes whatsoever. Does a company getting nothing but a costume or spirit mean negotiations stopped there? Possibly, but we don't know if they kept going after the fact. Ubisoft had trophies in the last game, then got spirits in the base of this game, and got Miis as DLC, there were ongoing negotiations despite already receiving content.

The reveals are technically on a series-by-series basis but they're also at a company-by-company basis. Terry's pack absolutely was Smash x SNK in practice, and Geno's Mii costume was explicitly stated to be possible back in SSB4 because they were dealing with Square Enix for Cloud.

The line of thought, then, is that if a 3rd party company gets content in Smash's DLC without getting this kind of treatment, and without having already had a fighter in the base game to begin with, it suggests that they aren't planning a fighter that would come with a more thorough set of content from the company.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Was Sephiroth a less shocking reveal because we already had Cloud and Hero?

The surprise isn't in the company that's collaborating, it's in the fighter. The reveals aren't "Smash x Atlus" "Smash x SNK" or "Smash x Square Enix", they're "Smash x Persona" or "Smash x Final Fantasy". Vault Boy means Sakurai already dealt with Bethesda yes, but that very act has everyone doubting a Bethesda fighter and thus, one would be a surprise if it happened anyway. Deals for spirits or costumes are just that, deals for spirits and costumes, regardless of fighters. Now yes, typically the costumes at least would come with fighters, but that's not always the case, Banjo had no related costumes whatsoever. Does a company getting nothing but a costume or spirit mean negotiations stopped there? Possibly, but we don't know if they kept going after the fact. Ubisoft had trophies in the last game, then got spirits in the base of this game, and got Miis as DLC, there were ongoing negotiations despite already receiving content.

I think it was less ... interesting. He wasn't less shocking, and definitely was more interesting than Byleth, but I do think he was still a big surprise.
(And it isn't just Smash x Persona, it was Smash x Persona 5, and Smash x Final Fantasy 7. I do think that needing to clarify the entry ultimate is less appealing).