Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[PeridotGX]

One more double post rejected

 

[pupNapoleon]

Before this conversation, I was considering buying SMT V.
I no longer am.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Wellllppppp

I am now officially put off Nahobino

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

To move away from discussing SMT V for a moment. If we were to get a new company, who do you think it would be?

My bets on Valve, they’ve put out Bridge Constructor Portal on Switch and seem like the kind of Dark Horse pick Nintendo would make imo. Gordon Freeman would be my choice, though I wouldn’t complain with Scout, Heavy, or Chell either. Especially Chell because that guarantees GladOS content in some form.

 

[Theguy123]

Every time I see someone talk about how good a game has sold on the switch, the more sad I get knowing that level 5 are missing out on a golden opportunity to get someone to put the Layton trilogy on the switch. It’s a goldmine

the first game alone sold 4 mill alone. Would easily sell 6 mill, maybe even more

diabolical box sold 3 mill so that would

probably sell 4 or 5 mill

And then lost future, the best in the series sold 3 mill so that would probably sell 4 or 5 mill as well.

Missed opportunity that I hope level 5 sort out before the money making opportunity goes

 

[FreeFox]

Take it as you will but Samus Hunter is doubling down on the smash reveal being in the September directView attachment 324413

Here is my reaction and how I expect the reaction to be:

 

[chocolatejr9]

To move away from discussing SMT V for a moment. If we were to get a new company, who do you think it would be?

My bets on Valve, they’ve put out Bridge Constructor Portal on Switch and seem like the kind of Dark Horse pick Nintendo would make imo. Gordon Freeman would be my choice, though I wouldn’t complain with Scout, Heavy, or Chell either. Especially Chell because that guarantees GladOS content in some form.

I still think NIS is a bit slept on. They're easily one of the most dedicated Switch supporters out there, like with SNK.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Random Idea Time TM: Link's Final Smash is now an all out smack down featuring most (or all) of his incarnations. Like Mega Legends, but the different versions of the character are even more different from each other.

 

[Sucumbio]

I bit ashamed to admit it but I kinda like watching the insanity unfold. Last time, Will attacked their own argument. You cant make stuff like this happen in any other type of discussion.

Kinda like ? shoot this my new jam ! Everytime Will buyers posts I am quickened.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Random Idea Time TM: Link's Final Smash is now an all out smack down featuring most (or all) of his incarnations. Like Mega Legends, but the different versions of the character are even more different from each other.

Does this include CDI Link? Cause if so it has my full support.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

To move away from discussing SMT V for a moment. If we were to get a new company, who do you think it would be?

My bets on Valve, they’ve put out Bridge Constructor Portal on Switch and seem like the kind of Dark Horse pick Nintendo would make imo. Gordon Freeman would be my choice, though I wouldn’t complain with Scout, Heavy, or Chell either. Especially Chell because that guarantees GladOS content in some form.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Riot, due to all that Tencent, their parent company, has been doing with and for Nintendo

everyone expects LoL but inb4 VALORANT

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

No, you have explained why Rise will become a non exclusive. It is still achieving the success it is achieving as an exclusive.
Also, you are speaking vaguely. What shows off the capabilities of the Switch? To me, and many, and to the entire marketing team, the capabilities of the switch are 3 modes of play/ switching from docked to undocked, having two controllers on hand at all time, and being an indie power house. What does SMT have to do with any of this? To my knowledge, SMT fails at all of these endeavors- meaning, it doesn't highlight any of what the Switch does. By your own logic, it must be a full failure of showcase.

Anyway, I think you are right- SMT will be like Persona 5. It will sell 1.3 million copies, and then disappear.

Persona 5(excluding Royal) has sold almost 4 million copies, that is more than ARMS. SMT V selling that much would mean the fanbase for SMT has grown almost 400% because SMT has never sold more than a million due to Atlus’ niche developer status and SMT’s lack of a substantial western fandom(especially in Europe).

The point of the Switch is being able to play really good looking games on a handheld and then instantly play that game on your TV where it still looks impressive for a home console. SMT V was specifically made to be a beautiful game in both modes without cheapening the handheld experience as much as other Switch titles do.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Riot, due to all that Tencent, their parent company, has been doing with and for Nintendo

everyone expects LoL but inb4 VALORANT

Pokemon Unite rep confirmed

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Does this include CDI Link? Cause if so it has my full support.

Only if he's animated exactly as he is in the CDI games, and his role in the combat is to shout "oh boy! I can't wait to bomb some fighters!" as he rushes in and plants a bomb at their feet.

 

[Arctiq]

To move away from discussing SMT V for a moment. If we were to get a new company, who do you think it would be?

My bets on Valve, they’ve put out Bridge Constructor Portal on Switch and seem like the kind of Dark Horse pick Nintendo would make imo. Gordon Freeman would be my choice, though I wouldn’t complain with Scout, Heavy, or Chell either. Especially Chell because that guarantees GladOS content in some form.

I think Valve would be the most likely too. Freeman would be my #1, but I wouldn't be opposed to Chell if GladOS is in her stage. Not sure about TF2 since it hasn't been relevant in Valve's eyes in years.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

To move away from discussing SMT V for a moment. If we were to get a new company, who do you think it would be?

My bets on Valve, they’ve put out Bridge Constructor Portal on Switch and seem like the kind of Dark Horse pick Nintendo would make imo. Gordon Freeman would be my choice, though I wouldn’t complain with Scout, Heavy, or Chell either. Especially Chell because that guarantees GladOS content in some form.

If we're talking about companies with content but no characters: Ubisoft and Bethesda
Companies with 0 content: Activision / Blizzard and Valve, like you said.

I can think of others, but I won't list them all.

 

[Perkilator]

To move away from discussing SMT V for a moment. If we were to get a new company, who do you think it would be?

My bets on Valve, they’ve put out Bridge Constructor Portal on Switch and seem like the kind of Dark Horse pick Nintendo would make imo. Gordon Freeman would be my choice, though I wouldn’t complain with Scout, Heavy, or Chell either. Especially Chell because that guarantees GladOS content in some form.

Disney
CyGames
Activision

Yep, that's all I could think of

 

[Theguy123]

To move away from discussing SMT V for a moment. If we were to get a new company, who do you think it would be?

My bets on Valve, they’ve put out Bridge Constructor Portal on Switch and seem like the kind of Dark Horse pick Nintendo would make imo. Gordon Freeman would be my choice, though I wouldn’t complain with Scout, Heavy, or Chell either. Especially Chell because that guarantees GladOS content in some form.

dont wanna come of as bias, probably will either way because my profile pick is Layton and I talk abLevel 5 constantly but realistically level 5.

they’re one of the only 2 third party’s on the Nintendo character hub screen on Nintendo’s website

And there relationship is good with Nintendo

if I could see another company taking the spot though I’d say koei tecmo.

surprised they don’t have a character yet which is why I’m banking on the final character being koei techno’s ryu hayabusa

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Actually ya know what, let's do it

I'm gonna predict we will get EA content of some kind idc what
I hope y'all are Apex Legends fans


Also, for TF2, imagine If we get more than one mercenary playable OH MY LORD

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm gonna predict we will get EA content of some kind idc what

THE SIM HERLYNERB SHABULADOO!

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

dont wanna come of as bias, probably will either way because my profile pick is Layton and I talk abLevel 5 constantly but realistically level 5.

they’re one of the only 2 third party’s on the Nintendo character hub screen on Nintendo’s website

And there relationship is good with Nintendo

if I could see another company taking the spot though I’d say koei tecmo.

surprised they don’t have a character yet which is why I’m banking on the final character being koei techno’s ryu hayabusa

I could see that, the companies relationship could easily lead to Smash Negotiation, I’m surprised we don’t already have content from them in some form to be honest.

 

[Arctiq]

Also, for TF2, imagine If we get more than one mercenary playable OH MY LORD

I'm imagining a moveset where Scout is the main, but you summon the others. Engineer builds a sentry for down b, rocket jump up b, maybe pyro side b. The kicker is that they move alongside Scout, but at different speeds

 

[FreeFox]

Actually ya know what, let's do it

I'm gonna predict we will get EA content of some kind idc what
I hope y'all are Apex Legends fans


Also, for TF2, imagine If we get more than one mercenary playable OH MY LORD

Is the last character coming with loot boxes? You know, to actually feel the EA experience.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I'm imagining a moveset where Scout is the main, but you summon the others. Engineer builds a sentry for down b, rocket jump up b, maybe pyro side b. The kicker is that they move alongside Scout, but at different speeds

dude I don't even play TF2 and reading your comment got me hype
AHHHHH


Also regarding Activision, I was once again getting my hopes up for Skylanders stuff only to find out
the game's twitter account hasn't tweeted since two summers ago ;----;

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Before this conversation, I was considering buying SMT V.
I no longer am.

Being annoyed by someone talking about a game a lot is no reason to not buy the game if you think you would personally enjoy it.

Personally I got annoyed when people would constantly tell me Chrono Cross was terrible compared to Chrono Trigger as I was enjoying Cross but I still picked up Chrono Trigger when it came to the DS because of the legendary status of that game, and after I finished Trigger I realized that Chrono Trigger actually is better than Chrono Cross and one of the greatest games of all time because of what I personally experienced with the game.

If SMT V is just that good and you aren’t just committed to ignoring RPGs other than Pokémon then you will probably still end up picking it up.

 

[chocolatejr9]

dude I don't even play TF2 and reading your comment got me hype
AHHHHH


Also regarding Activision, I was once again getting my hopes up for Skylanders stuff only to find out
the game's twitter account hasn't tweeted since two summers ago ;----;

This reminded me that there's gonna be a walkout tomorrow. I'm glad it's happening, but... I don't know, maybe I'm being paranoid, but I can't help but doubt this will go as planned...

Also, I miss Skylanders.

 

[Theguy123]

I could see that, the compaines relationship could easily lead to Smash Negotiation, I’m surprised we don’t already have content from them in some form to be honest.

I always found it strange that We didn’t get a spirit event for the lady Layton game considering it’s recently gotten a rerelease in Japan as a new version updated with the voice actors of the anime.

I’d have thought we’d have gotten spirits for the game since the game is also outside of japan so it’s not as if it’s japan exclusive.

and koei tecmo being huge and not having spirits to celebrate the realise of the ninja guiden trilogy coming out is sus as well

 

[CureParfait]

To move away from discussing SMT V for a moment. If we were to get a new company, who do you think it would be?

My bets on Valve, they’ve put out Bridge Constructor Portal on Switch and seem like the kind of Dark Horse pick Nintendo would make imo. Gordon Freeman would be my choice, though I wouldn’t complain with Scout, Heavy, or Chell either. Especially Chell because that guarantees GladOS content in some form.

Maybe Nexon not too sure since anything is possible at this point.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Also, I miss Skylanders.

Me too brother
Me too

 

[CommanderZaktan]

in a few hours, will we see a deconfirmation from a spirit event or something else?

 

[FreeFox]

in a few hours, will we see a deconfirmation from a spirit event or something else?

Spirit event? Well, both Neo and The Great Ace Attorney have just been released. Its possible that we will get something from either.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

You must be, like, 16. Otherwise, you'd know that once you get older, the exact opposite happens. Gritty grimdark is for teenagers and college kids. Middle-aged people get tired of that **** and don't need to be reminded how crappy the world is while trying to unwind.

I am 32.

For me personally I get tired of playing games with a light atmosphere and cheery stupid teenage characters, especially when I play almost nothing but RPGs, a genre that heavily features that. I can’t play Pokémon anymore, I struggle with even being able to play modern Persona unless I really dig into the gameplay, and I almost dropped Tokyo Mirage Sessions until the gameplay hooked me(not to mention series I have flat out ignored like Atelier).

The enjoyment I get out of darker games is ironically a temporary antidote to how depressing the real world is, a source of light. Games have always been a form of escapism, and SMT isn’t an exception.

 

[SKX31]

To move away from discussing SMT V for a moment. If we were to get a new company, who do you think it would be?

My bets on Valve, they’ve put out Bridge Constructor Portal on Switch and seem like the kind of Dark Horse pick Nintendo would make imo. Gordon Freeman would be my choice, though I wouldn’t complain with Scout, Heavy, or Chell either. Especially Chell because that guarantees GladOS content in some form.

So you would complain about a Dota 2 or CS GO rep?

Nah but seriously, not betting since there are a lot of options still when it comes to new companies. Leaning ever so slightly towards Arc System Works because they're in a similar place as SNK was, but they're not a favorite really since there are a lot of options.

 

[ahemtoday]

I am 32.

For me personally I get tired of playing games with a light atmosphere and cheery stupid teenage characters, especially when I play almost nothing but RPGs, a genre that heavily features that. I can’t play Pokémon anymore, I struggle with even being able to play modern Persona unless I really dig into the gameplay, and I almost dropped Tokyo Mirage Sessions until the gameplay hooked me(not to mention series I have flat out ignored like Atelier).

The enjoyment I get out of darker games is ironically a temporary antidote to how depressing the real world is, a source of light. Games have always been a form of escapism, and SMT isn’t an exception.

Right, but you can't generalize that to every gamer everywhere.

I know that I personally am not very interested in mainline SMT titles primarily because of the dull post-apocalyptic setting and general lack of life.

 

[7NATOR]

SMT’s appeal compared to Persona is almost solely because there is no western market yet while Persona’s western market is comparable to its Japanese market. The original Nocturne got buried in the PS2’s library because 2002 and 2003 were some of the best years for the console and SMT was literally completely new to the west at that time(while Persona has been in the west since the beginning) and it was a mini revival of a series thought to be dead by Japan after the complete failure of Nine. Strange Journey and the IV games coming to DS consoles really meant that at least the western fanbase for SMT had to start over with games like SMT IV and many of the original fans of Nocturne never ended up getting those. Nahobino in Smash will massively grow the western fanbase precisely because there is so much room for growth, especially when he is put next to Joker.

In Japan SMT V will easily be one of the best selling games of the year and have comparable sales to Persona 5 or even surpass it if it is good enough to bridge the smaller gap there. People in Japan don’t really see Persona and SMT as any more niche than the other, they either like both or they only like one while still understanding the other franchise is related to the one they like and attracts a similar customer base.

As gamers get older and more tired of light hearted adventures SMT’s appeal will continue to grow, especially now that the cultural stigma behind demonic iconography is gone.

I can get behind SMTV being the game to get more SMT Fans in the West. and I think Shin Megami Tensi will grow more audience as time goes on

The thing is that shouldn't it be the game itself that grows the Fanbase in the West, not Nahobino's Hypothetical appearance in Smash. That's what Joker and Persona 5 did for the Persona franchise, and Joker doing that for Persona is exactly a main reason he got into Smash. I understand the sentiment about using Smash to grow the audience of a Franchise, but it's still a gamble for Nintendo to want to go for Nahobino in the first place

Nintendo as mentioned is not directly benefitting off whether Shin Megami Tensi V succeeds or Not, but they are benefitting of the Smash DLC that they have chosen. It's just a big Gamble on Nintendo's part that might not yield the most reward. We don't know exactly if Shin Megami Tensi V is gonna be the game that pushes the Series in the same way Persona 5 did for Persona. there's a chance of that happening, but it's still unknown, and it's especially was gonna be unknown to Nintendo when they chose the FP2 DLC. At the moment that Nintendo chose the FP2 DLC, Shin Megami Tensi is still a Niche franchise in the West at the end of the day, and there's a chance that might not change

And like I said, I still see it as a possibility. While I'm unsure if Nintendo was doing 4D Chess in Adding Joker to make Nahobino's Appearance in FP2 have more appeal than it originally would have, I'm not gonna discount the possibility

But it's still a Big Risk, and if you look at Fighter Pass 2, it's actually the Complete opposite in terms of the characters being Risky

ARMS and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 were already shown to be success for Nintendo, before they got into FP2. There's probably a reason why Nintendo went with Byleth as the Promotional character in FP1 instead of ARMS or Xenoblade Chronicles 2, because Fire Emblem has already been shown to be really successful in the Past, while ARMS is a New I.P, and Xenoblade Chronicles, while has dedicated Fanbase, still was very niche franchise before Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (and still kind of is, but it's not as niche as before)

Minecraft, Final Fantasy 7, and Tekken all are Games/Franchises that have shown to have wide appeal to big Audiences, and in Final Fantasy 7's case, Cloud already is in the game, and Sephiroth is one of the most Iconic Video Game villains in terms of character

Nahobino would not jive with the vibe going on. We don't know much about the character, so it's unknown how Popular Nahobino is going to be in terms of Fan reception and Legacy and such. We don't know exactly how much of an Impact Shin Megami Tensi V, the game, is going to have, and considering you say that The lack of Western Popularity is the main difference between Persona and Shin Megami Tensi, that's even worse since The West is actually where a majority of the Sales for Smash Ultimate is.

Factor in the Licensing costs, the fact that Nahobino won't have time to really make an imprint in the minds of Gamers since at best, he would come out 1 month after the game comes out, The Complexities that will have to take place to actually implement Nahobino in Smash, and that Nintendo actually isn't directly benefitting from Shin Megami Tensi doing well unlike Bayonetta in the past, who still didn't get for Promotional reasons, but because she was popular, and it doesn't paint the best picture for Nahobino being in FP2

If Shin Megami Tensi V turns out to be a very popular game that puts Shin Megami Tensi on the map like Persona 5 did with Persona, and Nahobino turns out to be a popular character, that would be good for Whatever comes after Smash Ultimate (whenever that will come around), and Nintendo will essentially have their own Persona exclusive to Nintendo consoles, but as of now, it's just not the most feasible sounding idea, at least the way it looks.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Oh yeah it’s Tuesday, so new Spirit Event or Event Tourney will be announced in the next few hours.

 

[Theguy123]

So what specific moveset, characters or franchise do we reckons getting deconfirmed in this next event. You get my total respect for eternity if you call the right answer

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

So what specific moveset, characters or franchise do we reckons getting deconfirmed in this next event. You get my total respect for eternity if you call the right answer

This is where I predict Phoenix meets his end. The new AA is out. If there was a time to axe him, it’d be now. I don’t want it to be true. But if it must happen, it must happen.

 

[ahemtoday]

So what specific moveset, characters or franchise do we reckons getting deconfirmed in this next event. You get my total respect for eternity if you call the right answer

It's a 50/50 shot, I reckon... I'm calling Neo TWEWY.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I am 32.

For me personally I get tired of playing games with a light atmosphere and cheery stupid teenage characters, especially when I play almost nothing but RPGs, a genre that heavily features that. I can’t play Pokémon anymore, I struggle with even being able to play modern Persona unless I really dig into the gameplay, and I almost dropped Tokyo Mirage Sessions until the gameplay hooked me(not to mention series I have flat out ignored like Atelier).

The enjoyment I get out of darker games is ironically a temporary antidote to how depressing the real world is, a source of light. Games have always been a form of escapism, and SMT isn’t an exception.

You must be fun at parties