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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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XorahnGaia

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Imran and Zhunge haven't said anything afaik

Brush says they don't know

Vergeben's been dead forever



Yeah, I have no idea who this is supposed to be.
Since the original poster said that it's someone that "people say they're credible but they never back them up" they could very well be either Stealth (who's as far as I know gave up on being an actual insider years ago and even when he was he was never that involved) or Liam Robertson (you know, the guy that started the Star Fox Grand Prix rumor among other goofs and even said recently on podcast on his Patreon that Mario + Rabbids 2 wasn't happening)... so I don't think their opinion is worth taking into consideration IF one of them made the claim.
 

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Since the original poster said that it's someone that "people say they're credible but they never back them up" they could very well be either Stealth (who's as far as I know gave up on being an actual insider years ago and even when he was he was never that involved) or Liam Robertson (you know, the guy that started the Star Fox Grand Prix rumor among other goofs and even said recently on podcast on his Patreon that Mario + Rabbids 2 wasn't happening)... so I don't think their opinion is worth taking into consideration IF one of them made the claim.
Can't be Stealth, says he's trying to avoid E3 leaks, so I have a hard time imagining that he'd be leaking it if he's going out of his way to avoid them.


As for Liam, checked his Twitter account, didn't see anything, wish I hadn't checked it.
 

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Welp, E3 season is here once again, and with it comes a new Nintendo Direct to reveal the next Smash DLC fighter. There are plenty of characters who we could be seeing get revealed on the 15th, and since I've yet to throw my predictions out there yet (I haven't been logging in to Smashboards much as of late), I figured there's no time like the present to do so, especially since the chance of a potential leak tends to increase relative to how close we are to said reveal. This post will be separated into several sections, each going over different topics of discussion and breaking down my reasonings for each. If you have any questions for me regarding my predictions, feel free to let me know. So, without further ado, here are my predictions for Fighter Pass 10.

Before I discuss any characters in particular, I'd like to go over where my head's at regarding speculation for FP10. As you probably guessed, my speculation has been centered around the timing of this next reveal, being during E3. Given it's status as the mecca of gaming news each year it's held, E3 has historically brought us some of the biggest, most exciting reveals for Smash games. From the Super Smash Bros. Brawl reveal to Mega Man, from Ridley to Banjo & Kazooie, E3 Smash reveals have typically been big deals that tend to cater to who the hardcore fans want, and I firmly believe that we'll be seeing history repeat itself.

Next, I'd like to touch on how many characters I think we'll be getting. Since I'm basing my speculation for FP10 around the E3 trends, you'd figure I'd be expecting more than one character to be revealed. Previous E3 reveals didn't only ever reveal one fighter, after all, and we've only got about 2-3 characters left before Ultimate's DLC is over and done with, so maybe they're just going to go whole hog and reveal everything that's left for Fighter Pass 2? As tempting as it is to believe that it would happen like that, I'm going to stick with only one character getting revealed. I don't believe they're in any rush to reveal everything all at once, since they've got half a year to finish these last few characters.

Lastly, I'd like to touch on the character's party status. Will FP10 be first party or third party? While there's no real way of knowing for sure, my gut says this character is most likely going to be third party. There really aren't many first party Nintendo characters who would be a big enough deal for E3, or at least not many who are still in contention and really, I think we've gotten quite enough first party characters as of late.
Now that I've laid out my general outlook for FP10, I think it's time to get a bit more specific regarding series and characters. While you may think it unusual for a character predictions list, I'd like to begin with the series and character who I feel will NOT be joining as FP10. A lot of this has less to do with the characters themselves being "wrong" or "unfit" for Smash (too sexy, too violent, etc.), and more to do with the circumstances they currently find themselves in.

- Part 1: Already Included Companies/Franchises -
I think it's safe to say that, with the exception of Nintendo for obvious reasons, there likely won't be any double-dipping with regards to companies for the Fighters Pass. As such, we can count out SquareEnix entirely, and since SNK realistically only has Terry in terms of notable characters we can scratch them off the list as well. While Microsoft should count as already represented since we have Steve in Vol. 2, I'll give them a pass since they technically don't own Steve directly, Mojang does. That said, I believe the chances of a Microsoft character are kind of low. With regards to specific franchises, it's pretty cut and dry on this front: No new ARMS fighter, no new Minecraft fighter, no new Final Fantasy fighter, and no new Xenoblade fighter.

- Part 2: Spirit Events -
Now I know that some of you may find it unfair that I'm making this call, but don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that having Spirits in and of themselves disconfirms a character, that's already been well disproven at this point. Rather, I'm basing this off of the logic behind their inclusion: We all know that each fighter comes with several Spirits, right? Well, if they were planning to include Leon S. Kennedy from Resident Evil to Smash sometime down the line, why would they have had a Spirit Event for his franchise in the first place? I mean, wouldn't you rather wait until you release Leon to include those Spirits alongside him? As such, I'm firmly in the camp that any series that has gotten a post-launch Spirit Event is out of the running for DLC, period.

The notable franchises affected are as follows: Daemon X Machina, Pokemon, Resident Evil, Astral Chain, River City, Cuphead, Warframe, Ring Fit Adventure, Animal Crossing, the Mana series, Octopath Traveler, Paper Mario, The Legend of Zelda (specifically the Breath of the Wild games), Bravely Default, Ghosts N' Goblins, and Monster Hunter.

- Part 3: Mii Costumes -
Just like with Spirit Events, I think DLC Mii Costumes are a good indicator of which characters and series we likely won't be seeing as DLC at this juncture. The notable characters/characters/companies affected are as follows (the ones already affected by Part 2 are in bold): Rex, the Sonic series, Goemon, the Mega Man series, the Mega Man X series, Sans/Undertale, Assassin's Creed, Rabbids, the Mega Man Battle Network series, Cuphead, Heihachi, the Splatoon series, the Fallout Series, Gil, Bomberman, Travis Touchdown, Geno, the Monster Hunter franchise, and Arthur.

- Part 4: Pokemon and Fire Emblem -
Both of these franchises are ones that I feel relatively safe in saying we likely won't be getting another character from them. While they both have their own unique reason as to why that is (listed in the next paragraph), the one thing they both share is that we've already gotten new fighters from these franchises in Ultimate: Incineroar for Pokemon and Byleth for Fire Emblem. Neither franchise is particularly starving for a new fighter, so I see little reason for them to want to add another as DLC.

On the Fire Emblem side specifically, Byleth wasn't too long ago relatively speaking. I think it'd be very weird to get another Fire Emblem character at this point, especially since there's no new game to pull a fighter from. On the Pokemon side, while Gen VIII is still recent, it appears that The Pokemon Company has already shifted their focus away from the Galar games. There's also the Gen VIII Spirit Event they had a while ago, which says to me that there's no plans for a Galar Pokemon to join as DLC.

- Part 5: The Legend of Zelda -
I've seen a lot of buzz surrounding the idea that the Legend of Zelda series could potentially be getting a fighter as DLC. The reasons behind this buzz is rather straightforward: Zelda is having it's 35th anniversary, BotW2 is coming out in about 1-2 years time, and Sakurai/Nintendo loves to add in characters to help prevent the roster from being "outdated". All of these reasons ring very hollow for me for several reasons.
  • Firstly, anniversaries/new games do not a new fighter make.
  • Second, if their goal was to "futureproof" the roster, why would they go with the Zelda series? The most recent new character they could add at this point would be BotW!Zelda, and she's not particularly new herself, dating back to at least 2017.
  • Third, while the character selection process sometimes happens before a character's game is out, we've only had two characters, in the entirety of Smash history, debut in Smash before their own game, and only one of those fully counts. The likelihood of that happening again, especially as a DLC fighter who likely would've been chosen around E3 2019, is astronomically low.
  • Fourth, Breath of the Wild 2, and Zelda as a whole really, don't need help being advertised.
  • And fifth, I can't help but find a Zelda character as an E3 reveal to be very underwhelming, no matter who it is.
So now that I've gone over where my mind is at and who I think is off the table, the only question now is: Who do I actually think has a chance? Well, there are quite a few characters who I feel could be E3's big headliner. I'll start off with the one that I feel is the most likely:

- Crash Bandicoot -
This character, in my mind, is the most likely character to be shown at E3, and there are plenty of reasons one can give as to why that would be the case: It could be the strong sales, the renewed sense of relevancy, the need to have Mario, Sonic and Crash fighting each other like it's the late 90's, the alleged 5-year plan, something as farfetch'd as some potential hints, or even simply because I really, REALLY want him in the game. But none of these are the main reason as to why I believe he's so likely. Rather, the reason I think Crash is coming to Smash is... a feeling.

For whatever reason, I just have this gut feeling that Crash is the next DLC Fighter. He's the kind of character who just makes sense to be revealed at this time. He'd appeal to both hardcore Smash fans and casual gamers, to western fans as well as the eastern fans. Even if his getting in would be seen as too predictable, he'd still be a huge deal, and I could see plenty of people freaking out over him. Even if people didn't really care for him getting in they would still see him and go "Oh yeah, that makes sense.". He's unique, he's recognizable, he's got a lot of potential for a crazy moveset, he would be the perfect choice for an E3 reveal.

Next are some characters who I think could potentially happen:

- Ryu Hayabusa -
Ryu is a name that gets bandied about quite a bit these days, and I could totally see him happening. He kind of reminds me a bit of Terry in the sense that he's not really everyone's first pick for a Smash newcomer, but he's got a decent legacy behind him and he'd fit well with the rest of the Smash cast. He'd be a bit weird being revealed at E3, but I'd certainly be happy if he got in, I can tell you that much.

- Dante from the Devil May Cry series -
While not my first pick, I think Dante would be a pretty cool addition to the roster. He'd certainly have a great bit of variety in terms of his moveset, using stuff like guns and scythes in addition to his usual sword, his Devil Trigger could make for an interesting mechanic to differentiate him from other fighters, and maybe they could even give him combos like in his home series. He's be pretty fitting as an E3 reveal, also.
I've gotta say... I'm a big fan of the top two characters you're predicting.. I hope you're right.
 

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That was on the dev team tbh. We knew a Square Enix character was coming, but we had no idea as to who. It was thanks to the devs leaving data on the game cart that we knew it'd be ErdrickHero. Yeah, a 2nd Square character did leak, but we didn't know who they were(Until the datamine).
The whole Saga of the SE rep was that Verge said that an SE rep was coming in August 2018.

In September LeakyPandy implied a DQ character would be revealed at that year's VGAs (LeakyPandy isn't super credible, but it is one of the events that fueled the DQ speculation).

In October/November (don't really remember), Verge's "list of 7" was leaked which cited a DQ character, Sephiroth and, I think, Crono as the most cited character.

November/December before release, Jack and Brave were Datamined but kept secret within dataminer circles.

December after Joker reveal was the infamous 5ch Leak which cited Erdrick, Steve, Doomguy and Hayabusa.

January is when the brave datamine became public and the aforementioned 5ch leak was discovered by the western community.

I think there was a lot of smoke for DQ before the datamine went public (personally, I was sold on it being Erdrick/DQ in August after Verge's post.) But Brave was absolutely the nail in the coffin even if there was a substantial sized mob that didn't want it to be true.
 

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Since Rathalos from Monster Hunter is in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate as a boss, should come a Monster Hunter as the next DLC newcomer.
 

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I don't normally cross-post like this (and don't know if it's allowed, sorry if it isn't), but I've released my Nintendo Direct E3 2021 bingo card. Here is a copy-paste from my profile:
LAA9000 said:
With 2 days left until the Nintendo Direct E3 2021, I completed my bingo card for it today:
Some things I'd like to note about it:
  • The template comes from ABSahilGagrai on DeviantArt.
  • Each prediction was placed randomly via use of Google's random number generator.
  • Control freaks, I'm sorry if alignments are off. I judged everything by eye.
  • Not all of the predictions on this card are my actual predictions. I've learned to hype responsibly.
  • This list mostly focuses on new announcements, which is why I refrained from adding showcases of recently announced titles like Splatoon 3, Pokémon BDSP or Mario + Rabbids 2, as well as being obvious and anticlimactic.
  • Similarly, I avoided 'one last thing' and 'mad fans' because they happen every Direct. I would've put one of them in the free space had Smash not been shown at every general Direct since its teaser.
  • I didn't add many third-party announcements because most of the big studios have their own presentations around this time, so I stuck to ones that don't and would be likely to show up at a Nintendo Direct (plus I'm not that familiar with many).
  • I might do a bingo card for every Nintendo Direct from now on, but if I don't have enough ideas to put on one, I'll likely skip it. Thankfully E3 has given me lots of ideas.
  • In case it wasn't obvious enough, 'Microsoft is buying Nintendo' will be a running joke across my bingo cards.
 

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Today's going to have some of the most potentially interesting third party reveals in Square and Sega/Atlus. While the focus on the former's likely to be on their major AAA projects and the rumor mill with the latter has been PC ports for various prominent past games, it would be nice to get some good Nintendo related news by either. Just getting a Final Fantasy I-VI collection and/or a few past Persona games (non even necessarily 5) for Switch would be something at least.
 

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This is the approach I take with my fanmade movesets.

(And before you go "but Echo Fighters tho", Sakurai's talking about new characters specifically. Echoes are just a bonus.)
 
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I don't normally cross-post like this (and don't know if it's allowed, sorry if it isn't), but I've released my Nintendo Direct E3 2021 bingo card. Here is a copy-paste from my profile:
Learning to hype responsibly just means you won't let yourself get as excited because you can't handle the fall after the rise when you end up wrong.

Imagine gatekeeping yourself from being fired up about a 40min Direct made for E3 after last year's got cancelled with all this amazing **** lined up for it, all because even if it's really great but doesn't tick every personal box you have, you can't deal with the fallout of your own expectations.

This community does some weird-ass ****. Personally, I'm hyped up about a number of things that may or may not happen, and even if none of them happen I will just go 'Welp, wasn't what I wanted, but there was a lot of good stuff here' and more on with my day because there are bigger things to get upset over than video games.
 

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Did anyone post this?
This is the approach I take with my fanmade movesets.

(And before you go "but Echo Fighters tho", Sakurai's talking about new characters specifically. Echoes are just a bonus.)
This is how Dante wins, he has a lot of stuff he can do that no other characters can.
 

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And simultaneously breaks the game harder than Bayonetta.

So this is how a balanced metagame ends...with thunderous applause.
Nah, Dante wouldn't have as good as a recovery as :4bayonetta:and lacks the 0-to-death potential. Dante launches his aerial opponents straight down after doing an air combo in his own games, Bayonetta doesn't play like that.
 
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Learning to hype responsibly just means you won't let yourself get as excited because you can't handle the fall after the rise when you end up wrong.

Imagine gatekeeping yourself from being fired up about a 40min Direct made for E3 after last year's got cancelled with all this amazing **** lined up for it, all because even if it's really great but doesn't tick every personal box you have, you can't deal with the fallout of your own expectations.

This community does some weird-ass ****. Personally, I'm hyped up about a number of things that may or may not happen, and even if none of them happen I will just go 'Welp, wasn't what I wanted, but there was a lot of good stuff here' and more on with my day because there are bigger things to get upset over than video games.
You realize you yourself are hyping responsibly, right?

All hype responsibly means is to not throw a fit or act like you were entitled to more if something didn't live up to your expectations. If you want to get excited and jump roof to roof screaming like a banshee, feel free, that's not what "hype responsinly" means, and it never has.

I don't know who told you that "hype responsibly" meant that you couldn't be as excited as you want to, because what you described you'll do it literally what hype responsibly is, mate. What you're describing as the thing that you oh-so despise is "Keep your expectations low.", which literally no one is saying that, everyone is very excited for E3. "Hype responsibly" just means to not act like an ass if you don't get what you want in the end, that's literally it. If you wanna go crazy with hype, go for it bro. I know I am.


You've been on this big "**** hype responsibly" crusade, yet you didn't even realize that you were doing it this whole time, according to your own words, because you thought that to hype responsibly meant to never be excited, or at the very least, keep your excitement low, which, it's just not. Hype responsibly does not mean, and has never meant, to not have a hype overload, it means don't throw a ****fit if things don't go your way.
 
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Learning to hype responsibly just means you won't let yourself get as excited because you can't handle the fall after the rise when you end up wrong.

Imagine gatekeeping yourself from being fired up about a 40min Direct made for E3 after last year's got cancelled with all this amazing **** lined up for it, all because even if it's really great but doesn't tick every personal box you have, you can't deal with the fallout of your own expectations.

This community does some weird-ass ****. Personally, I'm hyped up about a number of things that may or may not happen, and even if none of them happen I will just go 'Welp, wasn't what I wanted, but there was a lot of good stuff here' and more on with my day because there are bigger things to get upset over than video games.
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I'm not saying I deliberately try not to be excited for events like this. I get really excited for Directs - I make bingo cards for them out of excitement. I understand, though, that there is a clear difference between hoping for something and expecting something. I'm hoping for many things in this Direct that I accept might not be shown, like a new 3D Mario, a new F-Zero or any of my most wanted Smash characters making it in. I'm also expecting some things as I'm near-certain they will be shown, like a BotW2 reveal or a new Fire Emblem announcement. What I'm not doing is going in expecting new mainline games from every one of Nintendo's flagship franchises then crying all over social media if they aren't announced, because chances are, they won't be. I'd instead hope for those, while keeping in mind that they might not happen.

I do understand that 'keeping expectations low', 'hyping responsibly' or any other form of excitement check can be demotivating to others. I'm not saying you should too - in fact, you already seem to be good in this regard. I'll try not to let my expectations get in the way of my hopes and tamper my excitement.
 

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This is the approach I take with my fanmade movesets.

(And before you go "but Echo Fighters tho", Sakurai's talking about new characters specifically. Echoes are just a bonus.)
What does that mean for Sora’s chances? Shulk basically has form changes in his Monado Arts. Hero has is Down-B magic selections.
 

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One is allowed to be as hyped or as skeptical about E3 as they want provided they're still respecting others' views and understanding the reasons why another person else might feel differently from them.

I mean I'm somewhat excited for Nintendo's presentation, but as someone who's had maybe one new first party game announcement since the last E3 that they were mega thrilled about (Age of Calamity) and who's been disappointed with how the company's handled some of their B level and under franchises in the Switch era, I'm also not going to expect huge news about my favorite series until I have reason to think otherwise.

I hope the event is great, but tempered expectations and a few doubts about what's realistically going to be shown off are going to be givens among at least some of the fanbase at this point.
 
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Did anyone post this?

This is the approach I take with my fanmade movesets.

(And before you go "but Echo Fighters tho", Sakurai's talking about new characters specifically. Echoes are just a bonus.)
What does that mean for Sora’s chances? Shulk basically has form changes in his Monado Arts. Hero has is Down-B magic selections.
"The year is 30YY. Sora has been added to Super Smash Bros. Super Star Ultra. He has an MP Gauge, a Command Selection mechanic, Flowmotion, Attraction Flows, can change between Forms and use different Keyblades with special transformations.

The character is so overwhelming that Sakurai went ahead and banned him from competitive and online play before the community even had the chance to."

:4pacman:


On another note, I have a question for the PSO fans because of the other day: since it's a game where you use avatar characters, would they go with a specific Class, a combination of Classes or just one of the more popular NPCs, should PSO2 get a rep? And how would they represent the game's mechanics?
 

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Im excited for E3, but I've gotten myself to a place where I'm not expecting anyone I really want for Smash. It's a strange place to be. Smash just means so much to me.
 

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When you have been in the heat for so long, it somewhat feels normal when more smash news is coming.

BTW, if you have seen the newest Mario + Rabbids game trailer, people are starting linking the new rabbid with Pringus Mcdingus's Rosalina.
 
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This is the approach I take with my fanmade movesets.

(And before you go "but Echo Fighters tho", Sakurai's talking about new characters specifically. Echoes are just a bonus.)
There is so much unique moveset for a lot of characters it’s not only that but basically a character such as :ultrob: :ultduckhunt: Can be unique even though no one has thought that they can get that treatment for moveset.
So regarding DLC if the picks based on new gimmicks we still have so much characters that we never know how they will fight but they are on the table probably.
Space invader is good example of someone nobody would expect but can bring new gimmick
 
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So, E3's almost here (I'm not as excited as I would be because I still have an exam tomorrow - yay), but nothing's been leaked or hinted at. To pass the time a bit, here's a game: the last 2 images with characters on your phone are the next characters.

For me, that leaves:
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Big Boss and
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Low Quality Demi-Fiend. There you go, that's how smash Ultimate is ending
 

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Do y’all think we’ll at long last get a song-included costume that ISN’T a gunner before dlc ends??

at least a Premium Swordfighter and/or Brawler, one if not the other please 😭
 

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Sunday might be the worse day for E3. It seems like a lot of people will not tune in on Sundays due to family, church, nice weather, etc. I could be wrong but that seems to be the case. In that situation, I feel bad for SE and Atlas/SEGA. Then again, people can check in any time to watch trailers. That is the beauty of the modern world. So even if you miss the presentation, you can go back and watch it (sometimes it is better to do that from a video quality purpose anyway).

I was very underwhelmed by the Ubisoft presentation. I am more hopeful with SE and Atlas/SEGA.


Do y’all think we’ll at long last get a song-included costume that ISN’T a gunner before dlc ends??

at least a Premium Swordfighter and/or Brawler, one if not the other please 😭
What is interesting is that if you look at base game costumes and some of the earlier ones, there wasn't as many gunners but I definitely can see your point with the DLC. (Also the better costumes, quality-wise, seem to be gunners). It is probably something that Sakurai hasn't even thought about. He is probably just adding IP and putting it in whatever Mii best fits the IP.
 
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So, E3's almost here (I'm not as excited as I would be because I still have an exam tomorrow - yay), but nothing's been leaked or hinted at. To pass the time a bit, here's a game: the last 2 images with characters on your phone are the next characters.

For me, that leaves:
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Big Boss and
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Low Quality Demi-Fiend. There you go, that's how smash Ultimate is ending
OH GOD OH ****
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CHAAAAAAAAARGE!
 

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So when does the next E3 begin again today?
That's Xbox (combined with Bethesda) and starts at 1pm EST or 10am PST.
So, E3's almost here (I'm not as excited as I would be because I still have an exam tomorrow - yay), but nothing's been leaked or hinted at. To pass the time a bit, here's a game: the last 2 images with characters on your phone are the next characters.

For me, that leaves:
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Big Boss and
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Low Quality Demi-Fiend. There you go, that's how smash Ultimate is ending
That gives me a character that will take us to Brazil and Smash leaks/conspiracy theories.
 
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So I am really, really not liking Rayman's chances now. Do you guys see Rayman as not happening the way the Ubisoft presentation went down? He was probably a longshot even going into E3.

I feel like Ubisoft missed an opportunity with the new Mario + Rabbids. How much hype would there have been had Rayman been teased at the end of the M + R trailer. I was watching the IGN feed for it and Rayman was referenced every 8-10 lines throughout the presentation. It was clear that most of the Ubisoft fans love him (not sure about overall Gaming community).
 

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The problem with Rayman is that without his direct creators, Ubisoft often has little interest in the franchise due to a perceived lack of profit potential. There's easier money in the Rabbids, hence why they're getting the crossovers while Rayman would be lucky to get a mobile spin-off. When the biggest release of your franchise of the last five years is a fan made remake of the first game (Rayman Redemption) that's not a good sign.
 

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Rabbids are literally the Minions of video games.
As stated, no reason why Rayman could NOT appear in the new Mario + Rabbid game. It would have been a smart move by Ubisoft. In fact, leaving Rayman out of the first game only hypes it even more if he appears in second game. It literally does NOT make any sense that they didn't do this as the final tease for the game. Very poor marketing/planning.

Then again, Nintendo still hasn't figured out that putting Wario and Waluigi as villains (even minions helping Bowser) in a mainline Mario game would be a win as well.
 
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