Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[KillerCage]

Which series would you revive?

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Sorry F-Zero, but I have a greater attachment to Sin and Punishment.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I mean, I kinda get why they aren't here, the series may not have been able to be properly represented without heavy censorship and omission of key elements.

Meh, if Metal Gear and Bayonetta were fine, I think RE would be too.

 

[Mamboo07]

Which series would you revive?

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Mario & Luigi

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

You gotta love when a character becomes popular in Smash Speculation overtime, but later on said character's support it just..............falls apart and gets never brought up again.

Like in Smash 4 with Zoroark, and then Gen 6 happened. Or Michaiah in Brawl, or ****ing SIGURD in Brawl (long story)

I disntictly remember when MARX of all characters became a common speculation character because he was in Star Allies as playable character alongside........................basically every other Kirby character that was important in some form or another.

It's always sort of sad to see certain characters that just become speculated in one point of Smash hype cycles and never come back. Ridley survived 3 different speculation cycles, K.Rool survived 2, and Waluigi will survive any speculation cycle as long as he exists, so he doesn't have to worry that much.

But the average character barely manages to survive at least one, many of them become forgotten, so much so that one would be surprised to see that they were even requested at all.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Which series would you revive?

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On the condition that saner minds that understand the original's appeal are behind it, Chibi-Robo.

If that's undoable, then Punch-Out.

 

[GoodGrief741]

With Ultimate coming to an end of its run. What characters do you guys felt we're screwed over but overall should have been in the game?

I know the most obvious ones that comes to mind are Shadow, Isaac, Waluigi, Ashley, Skull Kid, and Bomberman, but who else do you feel got axed?

Aside from the many characters you and others have mentioned, I'd also say Rex, Spring Man and the Ring Fit character got pretty screwed over

 

[SNEKeater]

After hearing this remix, I want to see Kiryu make it into Smash at some point just to hear the remixes. I haven't reached the point in Yakuza 0 where karaoke is an option (or if I have, I haven't found it yet), and I think I've only heard this song once or twice, but this remix is great:

If Kiryu gets in and we don't get Battle for Dream, the ****ing hypest thing ever, I'd actually be mad:

But yeah, Yakuza has an amazing soundtrack. Karaoke songs could work for very cool remixes (Friday Night and Machine Gun Kiss would be mandatory IMO) but I'd still prefer the focus to be on the actual battle and main themes of the games tbh

I wonder, is it an unpopular opinion to want X over Zero for some extra Mega Man representation? X definitely has enough unique abilities from his series to have zero overlap with Mega Man except for maybe just the Mega Buster normal attacks. Roll as an echo fighter also sounds pretty fun because Roll just deserves more importance in the franchise...

I don't think it's unpopular though it seems like Zero has more support. X has enough unique stuff for a dope moveset, but I guess he's more similar to classic Mega Man than Zero. And the latter has been always very popular as far as I know before Smash, maybe even more than X himself.

I'd personally prefer Zero, but X would be really cool as well.

 

[Yiptap]

Which series would you revive?

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If they fix those damn tedious battles, then Mother for sure.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

You gotta love when a character becomes popular in Smash Speculation overtime, but later on said character's support it just..............falls apart and gets never brought up again.

Like in Smash 4 with Zoroark, and then Gen 6 happened. Or Michaiah in Brawl, or ****ing SIGURD in Brawl (long story)

I disntictly remember when MARX of all characters became a common speculation character because he was in Star Allies as playable character alongside........................basically every other Kirby character that was important in some form or another.

It's always sort of sad to see certain characters that just become speculated in one point of Smash hype cycles and never come back. Ridley survived 3 different speculation cycles, K.Rool survived 2, and Waluigi will survive any speculation cycle as long as he exists, so he doesn't have to worry that much.

But the average character barely manages to survive at least one, many of them become forgotten, so much so that one would be surprised to see that they were even requested at all.

Man, I remember a bunch of character requests between Smash 4 and Ultimate that barely ever get brought up nowadays. Captain Toad, Chibi-Robo, Decidueye (granted, after Incineroar started gaining traction and his eventual reveal this one's understandable), Zoroark, Ashley, Kamek, hell even ones that have been in talks since Brawl like Paper Mario, Ghirahim, Impa, Krystal, Fawful, Andy, Sukapon, Skull Kid, even Waddle Dee to some extent. You scarcely see any of them in speculation outside of threads/communities specifically about them. Smash speculation is constantly changing and as Ultimate draws to a close, it feels like we're on the cusp of a paradigm shift. Going to be interesting to see where newcomer discussion goes from here.

 

[Fluttershy64]

Man, I remember a bunch of character requests between Smash 4 and Ultimate that barely ever get brought up nowadays. Captain Toad, Chibi-Robo, Decidueye (granted, after Incineroar started gaining traction and his eventual reveal this one's understandable), Zoroark, Ashley, Kamek, hell even ones that have been in talks since Brawl like Paper Mario, Ghirahim, Impa, Krystal, Fawful, Andy, Sukapon, Skull Kid, even Waddle Dee to some extent. You scarcely see any of them in speculation outside of threads/communities specifically about them. Smash speculation is constantly changing and as Ultimate draws to a close, it feels like we're on the cusp of a paradigm shift. Going to be interesting to see where newcomer discussion goes from here.

I feel like Impa and Krystal still have strong support. Heck, I'd even put Krystal in the top 5 for potential AT upgrades. She's not as popular as she was during Brawl speculation but she still has pretty good support.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I feel like Impa and Krystal shill have strong support. Heck, I'd even put Krystal in the top 5 for potential AT upgrades. She's not as popular as she was during Brawl speculation but she still has pretty good support.

May also be because she was one of the first characters to be deconfirmed to Assist Trophy status. Think she was in one of Fox's images on the official website after E3 2018, if not shown off in the presentation itself. Maybe she'll pick up more steam once speculation for Smash 6 begins.

 

[Dinoman96]

The truth is that most vocal support for characters are really just the result of bandwagoning lol. As in, Smash fans will only vocally support most characters if there's reason to believe that they have a shot.

Character's been making recent appearances in games? Gotta support them (i.e Krystal back in the Brawl era, Ashley, insert Pokemon here, etc)
Character's been given endorsement by a company figurehead or Sakurai himself? Gotta support them (i.e Geno, Ayumi, even Banjo)
Character's been backed up by a seemingly reliable insider? Gotta support them (i.e Skull Kid)

Like Skull Kid is the perfect example of what I'm talking about, he wouldn't of gained any serious traction in the speculation scene back in 2018 if it wasn't for that fraud Loz, and once he turned out to be a fraud, the character was slowly forgotten about again.

 

[Fluttershy64]

May also be because she was one of the first characters to be deconfirmed to Assist Trophy status. Think she was in one of Fox's images on the official website after E3 2018, if not shown off in the presentation itself. Maybe she'll pick up more steam once speculation for Smash 6 begins.

Definitely. I'll be pushing hard for her (I've wanted her for 10+ years). If she was not shown off at E3 as an AT, I could see her picking up the same amount of Steam as Isaac did. A new Star Fox game with her in it would also help.

 

[Siggy88]

Man, I remember a bunch of character requests between Smash 4 and Ultimate that barely ever get brought up nowadays. Captain Toad, Chibi-Robo, Decidueye (granted, after Incineroar started gaining traction and his eventual reveal this one's understandable), Zoroark, Ashley, Kamek, hell even ones that have been in talks since Brawl like Paper Mario, Ghirahim, Impa, Krystal, Fawful, Andy, Sukapon, Skull Kid, even Waddle Dee to some extent. You scarcely see any of them in speculation outside of threads/communities specifically about them. Smash speculation is constantly changing and as Ultimate draws to a close, it feels like we're on the cusp of a paradigm shift. Going to be interesting to see where newcomer discussion goes from here.

Instead of wondering what characters are going to make it to the next smash, I think it would be more interesting to think about what direction it will take. Like will it go back to be Nintendo characters primarily with a few 3rd parties here and there like Brawl and 4, or is it going to double down on that whole "Smash is now a celebration of video games" as Sakurai put it? It would be interesting to see like an actual collaboration betweeen companies for a gaint event game, like Namco X Capcom and Project X Zone. I'm pretty sure Smash has proven to be very lucarative.

 

[Gengar84]

The truth is that most vocal support for characters are really just the result of bandwagoning lol. As in, Smash fans will only vocally support most characters if there's reason to believe that they have a shot.

Character's been making recent appearances in games? Gotta support them (i.e Krystal back in the Brawl era, Ashley, insert Pokemon here, etc)
Character's been given endorsement by a company figurehead or Sakurai himself? Gotta support them (i.e Geno, Ayumi, even Banjo)
Character's been backed up by a seemingly reliable insider? Gotta support them (i.e Skull Kid)

Like Skull Kid is the perfect example of what I'm talking about, he wouldn't of gained any serious traction in the speculation scene back in 2018 if it wasn't for that fraud Loz, and once he turned out to be a fraud, the character was slowly forgotten about again.

I don’t know what it is about my personality but I seem to be immune from the bandwagon effect. I’ve just always followed my own preferences. That’s probably why I want so many characters that no one else seems to care about and I never really get hyped about most fan favorites.

 

[Fluttershy64]

****ing SIGURD in Brawl (long story)

Whats behind that story?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Impa has the advantage of only one version of her being thrown into a Spirit event, and more than one design as battle capable(Oracle, OOT, SS) overall.

So her having support despite lacking a consistent design can be easier since at least there's multiple ways to make her work. It's pretty hard to completely stop her from being a plausible character. Not that it means people will think she's likely even then considering how the Zelda choices are set up, but in particular, disconfirming her entirely never felt as easy as some characters.

Even then, only two of her designs are generally considered plausible after HW due to popular opinion. OOT is clearly one of the most important games to Nintendo, so that helps. There's also opinions she could work as an Echo(I feel her bodyshape deviates too much regardless of the design, but eh), or even a Sheik replacement, etc.

I don't expect her support to die any time soon, and that's a good thing. She's a really cool character that has a lot of merits and options for a fun and unique moveset. And being it's confirmed she time travels, that can also mean it's easier to justify basing her abilities off of more than one game too, not too much unlike how Link was designed in Smash 64(or how Zelda is nowadays, since she doesn't represent only one design overall. Albeit, Link was more lucky in that regard that his design was pretty consistent all the way till TP changed more than just his bodyshape, and Zelda actually is a magical person to begin with. That, and they needed a quick move to replace Transform and it happened Spirit Tracks was relevant at the time, so the Phantom Knight, a thing specific to a version of Zelda, worked well).

 

[Perkilator]

Whats behind that story?

I'm not sure I wanna know.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Instead of wondering what characters are going to make it to the next smash, I think it would be more interesting to think about what direction it will take. Like will it go back to be Nintendo characters primarily with a few 3rd parties here and there like Brawl and 4, or is it going to double down on that whole "Smash is now a celebration of video games" as Sakurai put it? It would be interesting to see like an actual collaboration betweeen companies for a gaint event game, like Namco X Capcom and Project X Zone. I'm pretty sure Smash has proven to be very lucarative.

It could really go either way honestly. I'm pretty sure it's obvious to everyone that third parties have become a series staple and aren't going anywhere anytime soon, but whether Smash 6 is going to follow in the footsteps of its predecessors or focus more on the crossover aspect of the series is just something we're gonna need to wait to find out until... you know, Smash 6.

 

[Brother AJ]

We move on with our lives.

ALL HAIL THE MAGIC MEME!

 

[Siggy88]

The truth is that most vocal support for characters are really just the result of bandwagoning lol. As in, Smash fans will only vocally support most characters if there's reason to believe that they have a shot.

Character's been making recent appearances in games? Gotta support them (i.e Krystal back in the Brawl era, Ashley, insert Pokemon here, etc)
Character's been given endorsement by a company figurehead or Sakurai himself? Gotta support them (i.e Geno, Ayumi, even Banjo)
Character's been backed up by a seemingly reliable insider? Gotta support them (i.e Skull Kid)

Like Skull Kid is the perfect example of what I'm talking about, he wouldn't of gained any serious traction in the speculation scene back in 2018 if it wasn't for that fraud Loz, and once he turned out to be a fraud, the character was slowly forgotten about again.

I'll agree that a lot of more vocal request come from bandwagoning (to be honest, I think Crash is a victim of this, you wouldn't see him anybody's top 10 list pre-N.sane Trilogy), Skull Kid did had some following back in the Brawl days. They were'nt as vocal as say Ridley was. God, I remember their first thread got locked like the Geno one was a couple of months back because of how toxic it got.

 

[Fluttershy64]

I'll agree that a lot of more vocal request come from bandwagoning (to be honest, I think Crash is a victim of this, you wouldn't see him anybody's top 10 list pre-N.sane Trilogy), Skull Kid did had some following back in the Brawl days. They were'nt as vocal as say Ridley was. God, I remember their first thread got locked like the Geno one was a couple of months back because of how toxic it got.

The Geno thread pretty much fell apart once Sephiroth was announced.

 

[Gengar84]

I wish people could just learn to accept that everyone has different tastes and opinions. It doesn’t make any sense that people get so upset with each other just for wanting a different character than they do. At the end of the day, whoever gets in gets in and all the fighting and anger will have been for nothing. The roster is already locked in and nothing we can do will change that so we might as well just try to enjoy the ride.

As far as Crash goes, I’ve always been pretty indifferent towards him as a character but I can totally see why people would want him because he was an important part of gaming history and was essentially PS1’s mascot. It would be kind of cool getting both him and Chief to have all the console mascots but I don’t really care that much either way.

 

[Shroob]

Wasn't the whole Sigurd thing "Because Sigurd is Sakurai's favorite Lord"?


That's what I remember back from Brawl.



I remember people piled on Sigurd as the new Fire Emblem rep because "He's Sakurai's favorite."

 

[SirCamp]

I feel like Impa and Krystal still have strong support. Heck, I'd even put Krystal in the top 5 for potential AT upgrades. She's not as popular as she was during Brawl speculation but she still has pretty good support.

I'm curious what your top possible AT upgrades would be since you mentioned that.

I have to say mine would be: Isaac, Bomberman, Waluigi, Ashley, and Shadow probably. Those ones feel the most likely to me in all honesty.

Edit - Mii costume upgrades is another interesting thing to consider. Though these are all more likely for the next game regardless.

 

[chocolatejr9]

ALL HAIL THE MAGIC MEME!

LOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, had to.

 

[Siggy88]

Wasn't the whole Sigurd thing "Because Sigurd is Sakurai's favorite Lord"?


That's what I remember back from Brawl.



I remember people piled on Sigurd as the new Fire Emblem rep because "He's Sakurai's favorite."

Memory's a bit hazy, but I also sorta recall that there was a rumor that he was considered for Melee or something of the sort. Then people discovered Geneology of War and found that "OH MY GOD HE USES A LANCE INSTEAD OF A SWORD", when in reality his main weapon always been a sword. But everyone climbed into the bandwagon blindy. It's hilarious in hindsight. These were the times when Fire Emblem as a whole was on life support. Such simpler times.

 

[Fluttershy64]

I'm curious what your top possible AT upgrades would be since you mentioned that.

I have to say mine would be: Isaac, Bomberman, Waluigi, Ashley, and Shadow probably. Those ones feel the most likely to me in all honesty.

Edit - Mii costume upgrades is another interesting thing to consider. Though these are all more likely for the next game regardless.

My top 5 are 1.Waluigi , 2.Isaac , 3.Krystal, 4.Bomberman and 5.Shovel Knight. Shadow and Takamaru are very close behind also.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

You know what Fire Emblem character I think would still be cool? Micaiah. Robin does sort of fill the mage quota but they still use a sword for the majority of their attacks. Micaiah would be all magic, which we don't see much of in Smash.

Granted I think her ship has long since sailed by now, but she sounded cool to me during the Brawl days and she still sounds cool to me now.

 

[rychu_supadude]

Krystal's a weird one because she hasn't appeared in her home series in 15 years, yet her fanbase hasn't waned by any significant amount. There's a lot of parallels to be made with K. Rool. Nintendo very likely doesn't want any new Star Fox characters on the roster right now... but if they manage to revive the series with a game that people want to play, she becomes a frontrunner even if she's not actually in it.

On another note: I like Incineroar's design and gameplay, but it still stands out to me as the shilliest Pokémon pick, more so than any Fire Emblem character. It screams "let's put a wrestler in" much more than "let's represent Alola", which isn't helped by the lack of a stage. Mimikyu, Necrozma or even Grovyle would have been better choices and made a more lasting impact on the roster.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

You gotta love when a character becomes popular in Smash Speculation overtime, but later on said character's support it just..............falls apart and gets never brought up again.

Like in Smash 4 with Zoroark, and then Gen 6 happened. Or Michaiah in Brawl, or ****ing SIGURD in Brawl (long story)

I disntictly remember when MARX of all characters became a common speculation character because he was in Star Allies as playable character alongside........................basically every other Kirby character that was important in some form or another.

It's always sort of sad to see certain characters that just become speculated in one point of Smash hype cycles and never come back. Ridley survived 3 different speculation cycles, K.Rool survived 2, and Waluigi will survive any speculation cycle as long as he exists, so he doesn't have to worry that much.

But the average character barely manages to survive at least one, many of them become forgotten, so much so that one would be surprised to see that they were even requested at all.

let’s be real here, how many people actually wanted zoroark instead of just being totally convinced that lucario was gonna be “replaced”

not to rag on zoroark, but I remember during the days of smash 4 speculation before that mega man trailer, zoroark was a muh relevance pick for sure

 

[Shroob]

let’s be real here, how many people actually wanted zoroark instead of just being totally convinced that lucario was gonna be “replaced”

not to rag on zoroark, but I remember during the days of smash 4 speculation before that mega man trailer, zoroark was a muh relevance pick for sure

At least they're better than Gardevoir fans.


I still remember that fella who tried to keep the Gothitelle leak alive(The one where someone ****ing stole a kiosk Switch and the demo somehow erased itself), because they had the hots for Gardevoir.

 

[Gengar84]

Krystal's a weird one because she hasn't appeared in her home series in 15 years, yet her fanbase hasn't waned by any significant amount. There's a lot of parallels to be made with K. Rool. Nintendo very likely doesn't want any new Star Fox characters on the roster right now... but if they manage to revive the series with a game that people want to play, she becomes a frontrunner even if she's not actually in it.

On another note: I like Incineroar's design and gameplay, but it still stands out to me as the shilliest Pokémon pick, more so than any Fire Emblem character. It screams "let's put a wrestler in" much more than "let's represent Alola", which isn't helped by the lack of a stage. Mimikyu, Necrozma or even Grovyle would have been better choices and made a more lasting impact on the roster.

I like Incineroar but if Nintendo really wanted a wrestler, it wouldn’t have been my fist choice.

 

[Fluttershy64]

You know what Fire Emblem character I think would still be cool? Micaiah. Robin does sort of fill the mage quota but they still use a sword for the majority of their attacks. Micaiah would be all magic, which we don't see much of in Smash.

Granted I think her ship has long since sailed by now, but she sounded cool to me during the Brawl days and she still sounds cool to me now.

Well if her game does get remade (FE9/10) she could have a chance.

 

[Merengue]

I just happened to log in and find this. I’m still on break but I wanted to contribute-

• Fiora. She was one of my ballot votes, and got FS’d first thing. I was hoping for her since Smash 4, especially since she appeared alongside Ryu, Ken, Chrom and Lucina in Project X Zone 2, all four of which are playable in Smash Ultimate. Funny enough, I started supporting KOS-MOS (Fiora’s partner in PXZ2) and someone else as a backup. Unfortunately it seems that one, Chrom is the exception and not the norm when it comes to FS characters being playable in the same game. And two, one of the backups for her I supported also has pretty much no chance now. I’m of course talking about…
• Elma. Since Fiora got added to Shulk’s Chain Attack Final Smash, I thought it’d be a hint at Elma since Xenoblade X has four party members instead of three. Plus there still is no X music, though that could be due to rights issues. I just wish I knew how all that worked esp since we got two X songs in XC2’s expansion pass. Plus, Caitlin Glass’s NDA and Hiroyuki Sawano’s secret project, which we still dunno to this day, was what gave us Elma supporters hope. I just want closure on this at least…
• Neku Sakuraba. A Square Enix rep from an IP literally born on the DS, a generation that could use more love in Smash. Course, when Sephiroth was revealed I was like “welp my son ain’t making it”. At least Neku wasn’t Mii’d, as I kinda believe third party Miis will never make it in future games unlike first party Miis but that’s neither here nor there.
• another not-Ken Capcom rep, namely Dante or Phoenix Wright. All those Capcom Miis in Pyra/Mythra’s pack doesn’t bode well for them…
• Kyo Kusanagi. Terry’s cool and all but damn from that trailer Kyo got snubbed hard

The first three were ones I wanted going into Ultimate too so you can imagine how that feels for me :^’) hoping at least one of my backups (Octoling, LoL character, Reimu, KOS-MOS and possibly T-elos as her echo) make it

anyway time for me to disappear until after the 15th. The 12th is my birthday but without dad and with all I’m dealing with and worried about, it’ll probably suck compared to years past…wondering if some of my friends are even still around cuz pandemic

so uhhh yeet

Yoo! Good luck fam and happy birthday! Have a good E3! Hope you get one of your picks at E3!

 

[Fluttershy64]

let’s be real here, how many people actually wanted zoroark instead of just being totally convinced that lucario was gonna be “replaced”

Zoroark, Chrom, and a Gen 2 Pokemon Trainer were the most common predictions for replacements for cut characters. Its actually really funny to go back to videos when Smash 4 was first announced to see peoples predictions for cut characters.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

At least they're better than Gardevoir fans.


I still remember that fella who tried to keep the Gothitelle leak alive(The one where someone ****ing stole a kiosk Switch and the demo somehow erased itself), because they had the hots for Gardevoir.

One of the undoubtable highlights of this speculation cycle. **** was wild.

Messed up part is I actually like Gardevoir AND Gothitelle, so this would have been a great outcome for me. But it just wasn't meant to be.

 

[Siggy88]

You know what Fire Emblem character I think would still be cool? Micaiah. Robin does sort of fill the mage quota but they still use a sword for the majority of their attacks. Micaiah would be all magic, which we don't see much of in Smash.

Granted I think her ship has long since sailed by now, but she sounded cool to me during the Brawl days and she still sounds cool to me now.

Yeah, like Lyn, her time would have been in Brawl, as they both very relevant at the time.

But speaking of Robin, what bothers me is that if they HAD to have a FE echo, they could have used Celica instead. She could have easily worked as a Robin clone:
use the female model as a basis, up her speed a bit, remove the deteriorating weapon mechanic and replace it with a self-inflicting damage mechanic ala pichu with her magic attacks but up the damage. Would have been more interesting than Chrom in my opinion, and she was relevant at the time (Echoes had only been out a few months when Ultimate was first teased).

But I know why they chose Chrom. They had a pretty detailed model ready, slap Roy's skeleton on him and call it a day. Probably more work than that, but you get the gist.

 

[Gengar84]

let’s be real here, how many people actually wanted zoroark instead of just being totally convinced that lucario was gonna be “replaced”

not to rag on zoroark, but I remember during the days of smash 4 speculation before that mega man trailer, zoroark was a muh relevance pick for sure

Zoroark is in my top three favorite Gen 5 Pokémon along with Cofagrigus and Kyurem. I feel kind of bad that it didn’t really catch on like they wanted it to. I would have personally loved if Zoroark got in.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Just you guys wait until pink means Amy Rose.

The Sonic character no one would have expected.