Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

Yeah, I got a message about an expired certificate, and I couldn't use links. I switched to my laptop, and things are working fine, so I'm assuming it's a mobile exclusive issue.

Oh I ain't on mobile, I'm on my laptop

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Source Gaming streamed their E3 predictions discussion for those interested.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

...I didn't post again till the error was over. Welp.

 

[TheLamerGamer]

Oh I ain't on mobile, I'm on my laptop

Huh, that's weird. I guess the website couldn't wait for E3, and transcended our universe in order to see the reveals early. Or it's just a server issue. probably the first one though.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Huh, that's weird. I guess the website couldn't wait for E3, and transcended our universe in order to see the reveals early. Or it's just a server issue. probably the first one though.

Trying to see E3 reveals early worked quite..... poorly for some unfortunate souls 7 years ago.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

Well, that's a different kind of Chaos Control as is. He has more than one use of it, even if it's just part of the opening game.

• He can slow time in general, allowing him to dodge attacks or go to another place.
  • Sonic Battle lets him do a variation of it via a Flash Step as his Dash move, or an aerial Dash that is outright a teleport ability. Neither are moves that intentionally damage.
• He often slow times down to launch an attack, which can also look like teleport spamming moves.
• The special move, Chaos Control, from his own game is a very different move from before, where he goes so fast he destroys everything in his path. So basically it's the energy he gives off from his power combined with the Chaos Emerald itself that does this. Unlike other uses, the Chaos Emerald isn't empowering his skills, making this stand out a bit. While technically he requires the Chaos Emerald for any form of Chaos Control, some games are awkward anyway cause you can technically perform some acts without it anyway. Not that it matters, since lore is clear on how he does it.

Yeah, Shadow the Hedgehog's Chaos Control, you basically cannot complete The Last Way without that move so you have to get used to it.


But Sonic Battle, I love the Special move he does where he disappears for a second then comes back and goes "RNNNNN" and fires off that huge Chaos bubble wave that sends people flying.

"Didn't even break a sweat!"


Then Eggman shows up in story mode and literally goes "Prepare to die!"

Actually, in the Japanese version, ROUGE is the one with the foulmouth when addressing Eggman.

Sonic Battle is actually in my top 5 Sonic games, I love it! I actually believe it got more play time in my GBA than Pokemon Sapphire did. I played that thing CONSTANTLY!

 

[7NATOR]

OH BUT OF COURSE HAHAHA


He'd be like a more sweary mashup of Joker and Sonic. LIKE Sonic obviously, but he's got Joker's gun move and knives and his story mode (yeah he comes with one why not) eventually results in the revelation that he was born out of some desire to cure an offshoot of AIDS called NIDS.

But... would he turn into Super Shadow or would he glow red and go "NNNNNNNNNNNN DEATH TO ALL WHO OPPOSE ME! CHAOS... BLAST!" and then light everyone on fire? I like the latter better, as cool as an HD Super Shadow in Smash graphics would be. I.... THINK 2006 was the only time we saw Super Shadow in HD/post Gamecube? Unless there's some mobile game that had him... I don't THINK we had Super Shadow in THAT long so seeing him turn Super in Smash would actually be a treat.

Have him turn Super Shadow and go "You're going STRAIGHT TO HELL!" and then go about obliterating everything that's not his friend

The Last time Shadow turned Super was in 2012 with Sonic and Sega All Star Racing Transformed. Smash Ultimate is actually the first appearance of Super Shadow in any Official media since then, with Super Shadow being a Spirit

There's a theory I made about the Super Shadow Spirit, and how it could relate to Shadow being planned as a Fighter, but It might be a stretch

I'd love it if Shadow were in. I'd love it even more if Super Shadow wasn't the Final Smash. I like the super forms, but they do get overused easily. Even worse in Super Smash Flash, yeish.

I think Dark Shadow would work even better as a Final Smash, since it emphasizes that Shadow is a much rougher guy and is willing to do what it takes to save the world. He's always been more violent than Sonic(even outside of his own game) and this shows how unique they are. Even if he were a Sonic echo, he could still have a different Final Smash. ...Though let's be real, they'd reuse the Super Mode anyway if he was an Echo. That's just plain easier to do. Though they could also use his Hero Shadow aura instead, since the current Super Sonic Final Smash is very similar to that version of Chaos Control, going at such fast speeds and slamming into everyone you pretty much auto-win. He could have two Final Smashes as well, with Chaos Blast as the other one, if they wanted to somewhat change him up. Probably a case of "you're at a certain amount of damage" or it could be based upon the range. I forget how Ryu/Ken are. I think they're range-based? For Shadow, I'd say your total damage would make more sense. Even without using an internal meter(like Lucario's), since Hero/Dark Modes are another interesting moveset idea you could do.

When you refer to Dark Shadow, you talking about when he's Glowing Red and Such. I think that's something that now happens when he just takes off his Inhibitor Rings, as Seen in Sonic 06 and Sonic Boom

In any case, I do imagine it would be apart of Shadow's Moveset, but not as his Final Smash. I actually imagine it to be apart of his Main Moveset as a Transformation of sorts. Since Shadow can technically release the Rings at anytime, and to make this transformation more unique from the rest, I Imagine it to be a Transformation you can activate at anytime, Which buffs Shadow stats, gives him better variations of certain Chaos related moves, and access to Chaos Blast

The downside is that Shadow takes more Damage and Knockback in this mode, He takes damage overtime after certain amount of time, and Chaos Blast is the only way to exit the move, which has alot of Endlag

 

[Michael the Spikester]

With Ultimate coming to an end of its run. What characters do you guys felt we're screwed over but overall should have been in the game?

I know the most obvious ones that comes to mind are Shadow, Isaac, Waluigi, Ashley, Skull Kid, and Bomberman, but who else do you feel got axed?

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

The Last time Shadow turned Super was in 2012 with Sonic and Sega All Star Racing Transformed. Smash Ultimate is actually the first appearance of Super Shadow in any Official media since then, with Super Shadow being a Spirit

There's a theory I made about the Super Shadow Spirit, and how it could relate to Shadow being planned as a Fighter, but It might be a stretch

I'd forgotten about Super Shadow in All Star Racing Transformed. Any memory I have of that game is more associated with Wreck it Ralph and Danica Patrick. Overall, I kinda didn't enjoy that game so much.

But yeah, 7NATOR, I know you and I are pro-Shadow. If Shadow winds up in Smash, we get Burger King! All the Burger King for us!

IF "Shadow the Hedgehog and Waluigi" end up being the final two fighters, then the two of us... we get Burger King. EVERYONE has to get us Burger King and lots of money!

If it isn't then I guess we don't get Burger King and we'll just... not have Burger King.

 

[Megadoomer]

Here, down below is the original source, as that article only listed one example out of 133 or 200 examples used against Capcom:

https://www.polygon.com/22519568/resident-evil-4-copyright-infringement-lawsuit-capcom

To summarize, the author have a book with 1,200 photographs of textures that she took in 1996, and she recognize about 200 textures that might have been used in Resident Evil 4, Devil May Cry, and other Capcom games. Thanks, to the Capcom leak, one instance of her textures was used in Resident Evil 4 with the exact same file name as the one used in her book CD-ROM. There is a link with all 133 examples of textures that she used against Capcom, but it been set to private, so no one can viewed them right now. Edit: here, the court document to see all of the examples: source

I wonder how this is going to affect a RE or DMC character's stage in Smash or any other fighting games.

I don't think it would have a significant impact - there was a similar issue with the main theme of Metal Gear Solid, and yet it didn't prevent Snake from being included in Smash. (the theme has some similarities to the game over theme of the series, which is used as Snake's victory music, and the Encounter theme)

Metal Gear Solid theme unused in MGS4 due to plagiarism claims

Why wasn't the iconic Metal Gear Solid theme used in Metal Gear Solid 4? Because, as Gamasutra reports, EGM learned in an interview with series composer Norihiko Hibino that unnamed Russian composers claimed Konami "stole their music."A video posted on YouTube (viewable here) shows series...

www.engadget.com

 

[Evil Trapezium]

So I gotta be honest, I thought the Scrimblo meme was hilarious, but I didn't know people were using it vindictively. Scrimblo Bimblo, the lovable Scrunko just sounds really funny. I'd play that game...

You could try Puggsy for the Sega Mega Drive/Genesis. I think he's the closest to looking like the fabled Scrimblo Bimblo.

 

[venomthebest]

Remember at the end of last year when sakurai said that he has more than 100 pictures of the day left and he was gonna post 5 days a week instead of every day? Well I counted every pic of the day and as of now, he's at 156 pictures and that's counting pics with content from fighters pass 2. Now I may be crazy but I would assume if you said you have more than 100, that number would be between 100 and 200. Otherwise I'd say over 200. And one could go on a limb and assume if the number was close to 200, you'd say almost 200. Could this be something to consider for whether or not we get a double reveal at e3? If the content is coming out sooner than later, then that means less pictures of the day.

 

[Megadoomer]

After hearing this remix, I want to see Kiryu make it into Smash at some point just to hear the remixes. I haven't reached the point in Yakuza 0 where karaoke is an option (or if I have, I haven't found it yet), and I think I've only heard this song once or twice, but this remix is great:

 

[Lamperouge]

With Ultimate coming to an end of its run. What characters do you guys felt we're screwed over but overall should have been in the game?

I know the most obvious ones that comes to mind are Shadow, Isaac, Waluigi, Ashley, Skull Kid, and Bomberman, but who else do you feel got axed?

Astral Chain.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

With Ultimate coming to an end of its run. What characters do you guys felt we're screwed over but overall should have been in the game?

I know the most obvious ones that comes to mind are Shadow, Isaac, Waluigi, Ashley, Skull Kid, and Bomberman, but who else do you feel got axed?

Dixie Kong and Impa for me.

 

[TheLamerGamer]

I've just realised that I don't think any character could actually disappoint me, like, every single character people bring up would be fine at worst. It probably helps that almost none of my most wanted characters are all that likely, so I'm not really expecting them to have even the slightest chance of getting in. Like, seriously:

1. Tatsuya Suou - He's never happening. Most Persona fans don't even know who he is.
2. Demi-Fiend - Very likely (in my opinion), but I wouldn't mind if he didn't get in, as long as the characters we get are fun and have good music.
3. Porky - He has a chance in later games, especially if the series gets new remakes or ports or whatever, but he's not happening this game.
4. Dante - He felt likely, but after the Mii costume wave he doesn't.
5. A Breath of The Wild champion - this could happen, but I don't think they'll have a major role in the next game, so I don't see them happening.

Then there's stuff like the Club Penguin penguin, but that's more of a funny "what if" kind of thing. (Actually, is there a penguin support thread? I wouldn't be surprised if there was, but I'm not sure.)

 

[Rie Sonomura]

With Ultimate coming to an end of its run. What characters do you guys felt we're screwed over but overall should have been in the game?

I know the most obvious ones that comes to mind are Shadow, Isaac, Waluigi, Ashley, Skull Kid, and Bomberman, but who else do you feel got axed?

I just happened to log in and find this. I’m still on break but I wanted to contribute-

• Fiora. She was one of my ballot votes, and got FS’d first thing. I was hoping for her since Smash 4, especially since she appeared alongside Ryu, Ken, Chrom and Lucina in Project X Zone 2, all four of which are playable in Smash Ultimate. Funny enough, I started supporting KOS-MOS (Fiora’s partner in PXZ2) and someone else as a backup. Unfortunately it seems that one, Chrom is the exception and not the norm when it comes to FS characters being playable in the same game. And two, one of the backups for her I supported also has pretty much no chance now. I’m of course talking about…
• Elma. Since Fiora got added to Shulk’s Chain Attack Final Smash, I thought it’d be a hint at Elma since Xenoblade X has four party members instead of three. Plus there still is no X music, though that could be due to rights issues. I just wish I knew how all that worked esp since we got two X songs in XC2’s expansion pass. Plus, Caitlin Glass’s NDA and Hiroyuki Sawano’s secret project, which we still dunno to this day, was what gave us Elma supporters hope. I just want closure on this at least…
• Neku Sakuraba. A Square Enix rep from an IP literally born on the DS, a generation that could use more love in Smash. Course, when Sephiroth was revealed I was like “welp my son ain’t making it”. At least Neku wasn’t Mii’d, as I kinda believe third party Miis will never make it in future games unlike first party Miis but that’s neither here nor there.
• another not-Ken Capcom rep, namely Dante or Phoenix Wright. All those Capcom Miis in Pyra/Mythra’s pack doesn’t bode well for them…
• Kyo Kusanagi. Terry’s cool and all but damn from that trailer Kyo got snubbed hard

The first three were ones I wanted going into Ultimate too so you can imagine how that feels for me :^’) hoping at least one of my backups (Octoling, LoL character, Reimu, KOS-MOS and possibly T-elos as her echo) make it

anyway time for me to disappear until after the 15th. The 12th is my birthday but without dad and with all I’m dealing with and worried about, it’ll probably suck compared to years past…wondering if some of my friends are even still around cuz pandemic

so uhhh yeet

 

[Yiptap]

With Ultimate coming to an end of its run. What characters do you guys felt we're screwed over but overall should have been in the game?

I know the most obvious ones that comes to mind are Shadow, Isaac, Waluigi, Ashley, Skull Kid, and Bomberman, but who else do you feel got axed?

As a person whose most wanted was Phoenix Wright, even I think Resident Evil deserved better than what they got.

 

[SKX31]

With Ultimate coming to an end of its run. What characters do you guys felt we're screwed over but overall should have been in the game?

I know the most obvious ones that comes to mind are Shadow, Isaac, Waluigi, Ashley, Skull Kid, and Bomberman, but who else do you feel got axed?

[Insert Mai joke here.]

While I don't think any character was really "screwed over", there were a few that I kinda think could've had a shot:

• Decidueye was my Gen 7 starter so was leaning towards the arrow owl, but proved fun to play. Feel kinda bad for Primarinna though, who was mostly ignored.
• Astral Chain / Ring Fit could've been good first party DLC inclusions, but ah well. Those kinds of new IP are TBF a bit disadvantaged compared to more established ones when it comes to DLC.
• Terra / Tidus were legitimate contenders IMHO for the second FF slot and Eggman could've been a good villain candidate: but TBF proved really tough competition for all three.

 

[Houndstooth]

Sonic Battle is actually in my top 5 Sonic games, I love it! I actually believe it got more play time in my GBA than Pokemon Sapphire did. I played that thing CONSTANTLY!

I am a huge Sonic Battle fan as well! You brought back some nostalgia there.

Chief, Shadow, Crono, Sora, and Crash are my most wanted characters. I'd love to see Shadow make it!

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

I am a huge Sonic Battle fan as well! You brought back some nostalgia there.

Chief, Shadow, Crono, Sora, and Crash are my most wanted characters. I'd love to see Shadow make it!

Two more Shadow supporters beyond 7NATOR ?

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

Hehehehehe. Sorry, I had to quote the thing.

But yeah, Sonic Battle, man. People sleep on that game too much.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

anyway time for me to disappear until after the 15th. The 12th is my birthday but without dad and with all I’m dealing with and worried about, it’ll probably suck compared to years past…wondering if some of my friends are even still around cuz pandemic

Take care Rie. Continue to stay strong in life, we'll all especially get through this bad time together.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Two more Shadow supporters beyond 7NATOR 7NATOR ?

I doubt there are that many people who hate Shadow here.

Just a lot of people who believe in the extreme opposite of 7nator's beliefs.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

I doubt there are that many people who hate Shadow here.

Just a lot of people who believe in the extreme opposite of 7nator's beliefs.

I honest to Christmas had a Family Guy moment and wanted to quote the Phantom Menace thing. That's all. I'm a real life Peter Griffin.

 

[ROBnWatch]

anyway time for me to disappear until after the 15th. The 12th is my birthday but without dad and with all I’m dealing with and worried about, it’ll probably suck compared to years past…wondering if some of my friends are even still around cuz pandemic

Sorry to hear, do take care of yourself. And happy early birthday! Hope you can find a way to enjoy it! (And maybe something amazing happens for one of your most wanteds a few days later.)

 

[Noipoi]

I just happened to log in and find this. I’m still on break but I wanted to contribute-

• Fiora. She was one of my ballot votes, and got FS’d first thing. I was hoping for her since Smash 4, especially since she appeared alongside Ryu, Ken, Chrom and Lucina in Project X Zone 2, all four of which are playable in Smash Ultimate. Funny enough, I started supporting KOS-MOS (Fiora’s partner in PXZ2) and someone else as a backup. Unfortunately it seems that one, Chrom is the exception and not the norm when it comes to FS characters being playable in the same game. And two, one of the backups for her I supported also has pretty much no chance now. I’m of course talking about…
• Elma. Since Fiora got added to Shulk’s Chain Attack Final Smash, I thought it’d be a hint at Elma since Xenoblade X has four party members instead of three. Plus there still is no X music, though that could be due to rights issues. I just wish I knew how all that worked esp since we got two X songs in XC2’s expansion pass. Plus, Caitlin Glass’s NDA and Hiroyuki Sawano’s secret project, which we still dunno to this day, was what gave us Elma supporters hope. I just want closure on this at least…
• Neku Sakuraba. A Square Enix rep from an IP literally born on the DS, a generation that could use more love in Smash. Course, when Sephiroth was revealed I was like “welp my son ain’t making it”. At least Neku wasn’t Mii’d, as I kinda believe third party Miis will never make it in future games unlike first party Miis but that’s neither here nor there.
• another not-Ken Capcom rep, namely Dante or Phoenix Wright. All those Capcom Miis in Pyra/Mythra’s pack doesn’t bode well for them…
• Kyo Kusanagi. Terry’s cool and all but damn from that trailer Kyo got snubbed hard

The first three were ones I wanted going into Ultimate too so you can imagine how that feels for me :^’) hoping at least one of my backups (Octoling, LoL character, Reimu, KOS-MOS and possibly T-elos as her echo) make it

anyway time for me to disappear until after the 15th. The 12th is my birthday but without dad and with all I’m dealing with and worried about, it’ll probably suck compared to years past…wondering if some of my friends are even still around cuz pandemic

so uhhh yeet

Happy early birthday!

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I just happened to log in and find this. I’m still on break but I wanted to contribute-

• Fiora. She was one of my ballot votes, and got FS’d first thing. I was hoping for her since Smash 4, especially since she appeared alongside Ryu, Ken, Chrom and Lucina in Project X Zone 2, all four of which are playable in Smash Ultimate. Funny enough, I started supporting KOS-MOS (Fiora’s partner in PXZ2) and someone else as a backup. Unfortunately it seems that one, Chrom is the exception and not the norm when it comes to FS characters being playable in the same game. And two, one of the backups for her I supported also has pretty much no chance now. I’m of course talking about…
• Elma. Since Fiora got added to Shulk’s Chain Attack Final Smash, I thought it’d be a hint at Elma since Xenoblade X has four party members instead of three. Plus there still is no X music, though that could be due to rights issues. I just wish I knew how all that worked esp since we got two X songs in XC2’s expansion pass. Plus, Caitlin Glass’s NDA and Hiroyuki Sawano’s secret project, which we still dunno to this day, was what gave us Elma supporters hope. I just want closure on this at least…
• Neku Sakuraba. A Square Enix rep from an IP literally born on the DS, a generation that could use more love in Smash. Course, when Sephiroth was revealed I was like “welp my son ain’t making it”. At least Neku wasn’t Mii’d, as I kinda believe third party Miis will never make it in future games unlike first party Miis but that’s neither here nor there.
• another not-Ken Capcom rep, namely Dante or Phoenix Wright. All those Capcom Miis in Pyra/Mythra’s pack doesn’t bode well for them…
• Kyo Kusanagi. Terry’s cool and all but damn from that trailer Kyo got snubbed hard

The first three were ones I wanted going into Ultimate too so you can imagine how that feels for me :^’) hoping at least one of my backups (Octoling, LoL character, Reimu, KOS-MOS and possibly T-elos as her echo) make it

anyway time for me to disappear until after the 15th. The 12th is my birthday but without dad and with all I’m dealing with and worried about, it’ll probably suck compared to years past…wondering if some of my friends are even still around cuz pandemic

so uhhh yeet

Take care and stay strong Rie. Hope you get some of your wishes at E3, Smash or otherwise.

Also Happy Early Birthday!

 

[Technomage]

I just happened to log in and find this. I’m still on break but I wanted to contribute-

• Fiora. She was one of my ballot votes, and got FS’d first thing. I was hoping for her since Smash 4, especially since she appeared alongside Ryu, Ken, Chrom and Lucina in Project X Zone 2, all four of which are playable in Smash Ultimate. Funny enough, I started supporting KOS-MOS (Fiora’s partner in PXZ2) and someone else as a backup. Unfortunately it seems that one, Chrom is the exception and not the norm when it comes to FS characters being playable in the same game. And two, one of the backups for her I supported also has pretty much no chance now. I’m of course talking about…
• Elma. Since Fiora got added to Shulk’s Chain Attack Final Smash, I thought it’d be a hint at Elma since Xenoblade X has four party members instead of three. Plus there still is no X music, though that could be due to rights issues. I just wish I knew how all that worked esp since we got two X songs in XC2’s expansion pass. Plus, Caitlin Glass’s NDA and Hiroyuki Sawano’s secret project, which we still dunno to this day, was what gave us Elma supporters hope. I just want closure on this at least…
• Neku Sakuraba. A Square Enix rep from an IP literally born on the DS, a generation that could use more love in Smash. Course, when Sephiroth was revealed I was like “welp my son ain’t making it”. At least Neku wasn’t Mii’d, as I kinda believe third party Miis will never make it in future games unlike first party Miis but that’s neither here nor there.
• another not-Ken Capcom rep, namely Dante or Phoenix Wright. All those Capcom Miis in Pyra/Mythra’s pack doesn’t bode well for them…
• Kyo Kusanagi. Terry’s cool and all but damn from that trailer Kyo got snubbed hard

The first three were ones I wanted going into Ultimate too so you can imagine how that feels for me :^’) hoping at least one of my backups (Octoling, LoL character, Reimu, KOS-MOS and possibly T-elos as her echo) make it

anyway time for me to disappear until after the 15th. The 12th is my birthday but without dad and with all I’m dealing with and worried about, it’ll probably suck compared to years past…wondering if some of my friends are even still around cuz pandemic

so uhhh yeet

Nice of you to drop by. Hope your B-day goes well.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

After hearing this remix, I want to see Kiryu make it into Smash at some point just to hear the remixes. I haven't reached the point in Yakuza 0 where karaoke is an option (or if I have, I haven't found it yet), and I think I've only heard this song once or twice, but this remix is great:

There’s a forced karaoke section in the VERY early parts of Yakuza 0 so you’ll likely hit it quite soon but the bops don’t stop at the Jukebox buddy.

There’s some SICK music in every Yakuza game.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

When you refer to Dark Shadow, you talking about when he's Glowing Red and Such. I think that's something that now happens when he just takes off his Inhibitor Rings, as Seen in Sonic 06 and Sonic Boom

In any case, I do imagine it would be apart of Shadow's Moveset, but not as his Final Smash. I actually imagine it to be apart of his Main Moveset as a Transformation of sorts. Since Shadow can technically release the Rings at anytime, and to make this transformation more unique from the rest, I Imagine it to be a Transformation you can activate at anytime, Which buffs Shadow stats, gives him better variations of certain Chaos related moves, and access to Chaos Blast

The downside is that Shadow takes more Damage and Knockback in this mode, He takes damage overtime after certain amount of time, and Chaos Blast is the only way to exit the move, which has alot of Endlag

Dark Shadow is specifically from his own game. It's part of the alignment meter. It leads to Chaos Blast if you're at full darkness. Hero leads to the best Chaos Control move in the game.

And yeah, his "unleash his full power" is interesting. That could also be a neat Final Smash. That's not too unlike the concept with Hero and Dark mode, but a different power source. His Chaos Energy thingy in 06 is pretty much a weak version of removing his rings. I forget if it was called Chaos Mode or something else. The inhibitor rings have come off in Adventure 2 and Sonic X as well. He also can use his chaos powers in Battle even when he doesn't have a Chaos Emerald(in the story, he gives the last one, his own, to Emerl, saying Maria in his heart is where he gets his powers). It's still a clear case of Gameplay and Story Segregation. He has an Emerald throughout the rest of the story.

Yeah, Shadow the Hedgehog's Chaos Control, you basically cannot complete The Last Way without that move so you have to get used to it.


But Sonic Battle, I love the Special move he does where he disappears for a second then comes back and goes "RNNNNN" and fires off that huge Chaos bubble wave that sends people flying.
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"Didn't even break a sweat!"


Then Eggman shows up in story mode and literally goes "Prepare to die!"

Actually, in the Japanese version, ROUGE is the one with the foulmouth when addressing Eggman.

Sonic Battle is actually in my top 5 Sonic games, I love it! I actually believe it got more play time in my GBA than Pokemon Sapphire did. I played that thing CONSTANTLY!

I won't lie, the last story was a bit tougher. I only had issues with finding some keys, certain missions, or not running out of rings in the final battle itself.

I love the game, though. It's a fun cheesy one.

Chaos Burst is an amazing move, and it's pretty much a weaker version of Chaos Blast. Shadow's game does lead into Sonic Battle story-wise, so it makes sense why he can do that. That said, Chaos Burst obviously inspired Chaos Blast in terms of development(Heroes and Battle were closer to the same development time instead. This is why Rouge notes that Chaos Gamma has Gamma and Omega's parts).

Rouge is the most mature age-wise of the normal Sonic cast that isn't human. It's not too surprising she's a bit more foul-mouthed. She literally added fanservice to the game, and is basically a dominatrix personality. Of course, ignoring everybody swearing in Shadow(I can believe that from some. Shadow, easily. Espio is a ninja, and I can slightly believe it since they're battle-hardened and not necessarily supposed to be "nice". Eggman, to some degree, but that's cause he has multiple interpretations. Rouge a bit. Sonic no, but oddly he does say the swear version of crap in the Japanese Sonic X, but that's not the normal games. Some just were awkward where they sweared, since it doesn't fit their personalities well.

Eggman actually isn't too odd saying "prepare to die". But that's due to the various cartoons, two of which make him very vicious(SATAM and Underground), to the point he's well beyond the general games. Like, Sonic 2 has a pretty dark-looking Robotnik image, but he's still pretty cartoony within the game. Now apply that as his personality style, and he's legitimately scary. Even when he's partially a butt monkey(Underground), he's very easy to take seriously. He's more comedic in most adaptions otherwise(X and Boom), while still being serious when he wants to be. The only one he's pretty much a goofster is Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog. Well, he's deadly serious in the Sonic Movie too, and the OVA has him pretty much like Sonic X, a good mix of both. But it's the only other animation adaption based much more directly on the regular games, so that's not that surprising.

 

[spicynun]

Eggman actually isn't too odd saying "prepare to die". But that's due to the various cartoons, two of which make him very vicious(SATAM and Underground), to the point he's well beyond the general games. Like, Sonic 2 has a pretty dark-looking Robotnik image, but he's still pretty cartoony within the game. Now apply that as his personality style, and he's legitimately scary. Even when he's partially a butt monkey(Underground), he's very easy to take seriously. He's more comedic in most adaptions otherwise(X and Boom), while still being serious when he wants to be. The only one he's pretty much a goofster is Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog. Well, he's deadly serious in the Sonic Movie too, and the OVA has him pretty much like Sonic X, a good mix of both. But it's the only other animation adaption based much more directly on the regular games, so that's not that surprising.

Not to mention in Sonic Adventure 2, two Eggman quotes include "You're too slow. Sonic, if you don't come here, she WILL die!" (About Amy) and "Well done, Sonic. But you'll never leave this room alive! Ha-ha!"

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

Eggman actually isn't too odd saying "prepare to die".

Not to mention in Sonic Adventure 2, two Eggman quotes include "You're too slow. Sonic, if you don't come here, she WILL die!" (About Amy) and "Well done, Sonic. But you'll never leave this room alive! Ha-ha!"

"YOU'VE TURNED INTO A BIG TIME VILLAIN, DOCTORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!"


Regarding Sonic Battle's "Prepare to Die", I just like Deem Bristow's read of that line hahahaha

That game has some weirdly quotable bits despite being a GBA game.

"Hi, SUGAR!"

"OKAAAY TIME TO FLLYYYYYYY"

"STONE FISTS!"

"WINNING IS EVERYTHING!"

"I'll show you the ULTIMATE POWER!"

"TIME TO PARTY!"

 

[Perkilator]

I'd love it if Shadow were in. I'd love it even more if Super Shadow wasn't the Final Smash. I like the super forms, but they do get overused easily. Even worse in Super Smash Flash, yeish.

I think Dark Shadow would work even better as a Final Smash, since it emphasizes that Shadow is a much rougher guy and is willing to do what it takes to save the world. He's always been more violent than Sonic(even outside of his own game) and this shows how unique they are. Even if he were a Sonic echo, he could still have a different Final Smash. ...Though let's be real, they'd reuse the Super Mode anyway if he was an Echo. That's just plain easier to do. Though they could also use his Hero Shadow aura instead, since the current Super Sonic Final Smash is very similar to that version of Chaos Control, going at such fast speeds and slamming into everyone you pretty much auto-win. He could have two Final Smashes as well, with Chaos Blast as the other one, if they wanted to somewhat change him up. Probably a case of "you're at a certain amount of damage" or it could be based upon the range. I forget how Ryu/Ken are. I think they're range-based? For Shadow, I'd say your total damage would make more sense. Even without using an internal meter(like Lucario's), since Hero/Dark Modes are another interesting moveset idea you could do.

Or even better, Chaos Inferno. It was Team Dark's Team Blast in Sonic Heroes.

 

[SnowClaws]

I don't think it would have a significant impact - there was a similar issue with the main theme of Metal Gear Solid, and yet it didn't prevent Snake from being included in Smash. (the theme has some similarities to the game over theme of the series, which is used as Snake's victory music, and the Encounter theme)

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I do see your point with the music example, but I do think it could have a significant impact if a iconic location for the RE/DMC character contain these infringe textures. Skimming through the court documents, there are some noticeable evidence about the textures used for the ground, wall, window, door, interior and exterior of a building. So, the stage for these character could be very limited, if it features these element.

I guess a standard laboratory stage (just like in Marvel vs Capcom 3) or raccoon police station for a RE character could be a safe opinion. I don't know much about DMC to made a stage suggestion to avoid these infringement.

 

[Shroob]

9 days until at least 1 of these 2 gets filled in.

 

[Deleted member]

The only Smash prediction I'm confident in is that one of the remaining 2 fighters will have a red background. The only real basis for this is Pyra's (solo) background color is red, but they still went with Mythra's green for the promotional material even though she's the secondary fighter. Tbf green fits them as a duo much better but even still red is a really common color lol.

 

[Shroob]

The only Smash prediction I'm confident in is that one of the remaining 2 fighters will have a red background. The only real basis for this is Pyra's (solo) background color is red, but they still went with Mythra's green for the promotional material even though she's the secondary fighter. Tbf green fits them as a duo much better but even still red is a really common color lol.

Isn't that more or less what epicmartin7 's been predicting? That the next fighter will have a pink/red background color?

 

[CureParfait]

I just happened to log in and find this. I’m still on break but I wanted to contribute-

• Fiora. She was one of my ballot votes, and got FS’d first thing. I was hoping for her since Smash 4, especially since she appeared alongside Ryu, Ken, Chrom and Lucina in Project X Zone 2, all four of which are playable in Smash Ultimate. Funny enough, I started supporting KOS-MOS (Fiora’s partner in PXZ2) and someone else as a backup. Unfortunately it seems that one, Chrom is the exception and not the norm when it comes to FS characters being playable in the same game. And two, one of the backups for her I supported also has pretty much no chance now. I’m of course talking about…
• Elma. Since Fiora got added to Shulk’s Chain Attack Final Smash, I thought it’d be a hint at Elma since Xenoblade X has four party members instead of three. Plus there still is no X music, though that could be due to rights issues. I just wish I knew how all that worked esp since we got two X songs in XC2’s expansion pass. Plus, Caitlin Glass’s NDA and Hiroyuki Sawano’s secret project, which we still dunno to this day, was what gave us Elma supporters hope. I just want closure on this at least…
• Neku Sakuraba. A Square Enix rep from an IP literally born on the DS, a generation that could use more love in Smash. Course, when Sephiroth was revealed I was like “welp my son ain’t making it”. At least Neku wasn’t Mii’d, as I kinda believe third party Miis will never make it in future games unlike first party Miis but that’s neither here nor there.
• another not-Ken Capcom rep, namely Dante or Phoenix Wright. All those Capcom Miis in Pyra/Mythra’s pack doesn’t bode well for them…
• Kyo Kusanagi. Terry’s cool and all but damn from that trailer Kyo got snubbed hard

The first three were ones I wanted going into Ultimate too so you can imagine how that feels for me :^’) hoping at least one of my backups (Octoling, LoL character, Reimu, KOS-MOS and possibly T-elos as her echo) make it

anyway time for me to disappear until after the 15th. The 12th is my birthday but without dad and with all I’m dealing with and worried about, it’ll probably suck compared to years past…wondering if some of my friends are even still around cuz pandemic

so uhhh yeet

Happy early birthday, I hope your birthday goes well and take care of yourself.

 

[toonito]

With Ultimate coming to an end of its run. What characters do you guys felt we're screwed over but overall should have been in the game?

I know the most obvious ones that comes to mind are Shadow, Isaac, Waluigi, Ashley, Skull Kid, and Bomberman, but who else do you feel got axed?

Who I wanted to see that didn't make it: Bomberman, Waluigi, Guile, Impa, Zero, Resident Evil, Monster Hunter

Who I didn't necessarily want to see but got screwed: Decidueye

 

[Perkilator]

With Ultimate coming to an end of its run. What characters do you guys felt we're screwed over but overall should have been in the game?

I know the most obvious ones that comes to mind are Shadow, Isaac, Waluigi, Ashley, Skull Kid, and Bomberman, but who else do you feel got axed?

Definitely Shadow, Alph and Bandana Dee (base game for the latter, anyways).