Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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Are you guys planning to stay or leave smashboards after the DLC is done?

I probably won’t be as active, but its still nice to hang around here regardless of how alive Smash is.

 

[Louie G.]

Although I agree with your points, your attitude and insults in this post don't really belong on this board. This is why this chat thread keeps getting hostile. Can you just tone it down with him? No need to be so nasty.

The moderators can tell me if I stepped out of line themselves. I don't think I did.

The context is also important, as the same argument is parroted near daily by the same person with an obsession with dunking on Master Chief specifically. Little respect has been shown from them toward fans of the character nor people who speculate about him, as they have made it clear they find it ridiculous that anyone is humoring the idea. Sometimes it's necessary to be a bit assertive when your point is constantly ignored treated as foolish otherwise.

I think you can empathize with that.

Are you guys planning to stay or leave smashboards after the DLC is done?

Maybe I'll pop in here and there but I'm kinda just looking forward to not thinking about Smash all the time. Once the DLC has been revealed / released I'd probably like to just retire Smash forum posting for a while and put my time toward something more productive or playing other video games, chipping away further at my backlog of anime and whatnot, etc. Scrolling the boards ends up being quite the time sink.

Of course I could technically be doing this regardless, but admittedly Smash is somewhat of a fixation especially nearing E3 season and prying myself away from speculation is harder than it sounds on paper. Kinda hoping we're nearing the end for some peace of mind.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

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Are you guys planning to stay or leave smashboards after the DLC is done?

Probably leave and only pop in once in a blue moon and then leave again. Why should I stay when a game doesnt have characters that would keep me entertained

 

[MooMew64]

Are you guys planning to stay or leave smashboards after the DLC is done?

I'm stayin'. Probably won't be as active as I am now because there just simply won't be enough people to be active with, but I'll still be in the Social Thread hangin' out whenever there's people there.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Smash will continue anyway. I see no reason to leave at this time, heh.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Are you guys planning to stay or leave smashboards after the DLC is done?

I was only here for speculation purposes so once Smash Ultimate is over, I'm done.

I don't think I'm likely to return for the next game if not everyone is here and I'm certainly not going to get an "Only everyone I care about is here" kind of roster.

I'll probably spend more time over on the TimeSplitters Rewind discord instead.

 

[volbound1700]

The moderators can tell me if I stepped out of line themselves. I don't think I did.

The context is also important, as the same argument is parroted near daily by the same person with an obsession with dunking on Master Chief specifically. Little respect has been shown from them toward fans of the character nor people who speculate about him, as they have made it clear they find it ridiculous that anyone is humoring the idea. Sometimes it's necessary to be a bit assertive when your point is constantly ignored treated as foolish otherwise.

I think you can empathize with that.

True. Halo sold $ 80 Million copies in its life and was a phenomenon in its heyday. (I would say Halo 1-3 was high point). I did not own an Xbox until about 4 years ago when I had a bunch of Gamestop gift cards that I did not know what to do with and went and got an Xbox One. I proceeded to get MCC, Reach, and Halo 5. I actually think Halo Reach might be my favorite but definitely the original trilogy is great.

I use to play a lot of games with friends during the Golden Era so I was apart of it even though I didn't own the game. Halo is a classic example of the sales do not match how much impact that it had. It was HUGE in its day and everyone played it. It was likely that only 1/3 people actually had the game though. I know it had impressive numbers but I think the impact is even bigger than the sales because I would put Halo ahead of some of the franchises above it.

Regarding Masterchief's chances. They are pretty low, mostly due to Banjo and Steve. Both Banjo and Steve have greater connection to Nintendo and makes sense. Halo is also not as HUGE of a seller as it once had. Although I think the hate for 343 Industries is a little ridiculous, I will agree that Bungie told better stories and had better games. The issue was that the series really closed itself off well with Halo 3, kind of like Return of the Jedi with Star Wars. It was hard to follow-up the series with the Covenant War ending.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

You know, thinking about Master Chief in Smash has me realizing that between Rare, Bethesda, and the various IP's within Xbox Game Studios, MS could probably pull off a decent crossover fighting game of their own if they wanted. I mean:

Banjo-Kazooie
Conker
Joanna Dark
Battletoads
Killer Instinct
Gears of War
Halo
Fallout
Elder Scrolls
Commander Keen
Doom
Wolfenstein
Hellblade
Psychonauts
Minecraft
Ori

They've really got a hell of a base roster if they ever went that direction.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I mean, literally no DLC Fighter in Smash Ultimate did not have a full CGI in the literal mean of it.

Well, Plant didn't. And technically, Terry's was some photos of some consoles followed by a bunch of 16-bit sprites.

I, personally, would be leaving Smashboards until the next Smash game has enough info revealed.

I PLAN to stick around...but I probably won't follow through.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Because Chief fans are the ones being absolute hypocrites. They believe Chief can break the supposed rules to cater to a minority that wasn't already sold on FP2 because of Steviroth, but nothing else can, especially not first parties.

And no, I am not saying Halo is a small third party. I just think plenty of people who want big third parties already bought the pass and thus Nintendo doesn't need to further cater to them, just like how they added Isabelle and Incineroar when the Brawl Boomers were already sold on base SSBU due to Ridley and K. Rool.

The fallacy in this logic is that the roster was decided for Ultimate from the get-go, with characters like King K. Rool and Ridley being decided on at the same time as a Gen VII Pokemon, Ken, and Chrom. If memory serves, it was stated Isabelle was one of the first newcomers decided according to a Famitsu Column from Sakurai (though I could be wrong). This post assumes they decided it was fine to have Isabelle and Incineroar after pleasing the fans of K. Rool and Ridley when they were gonna be added to begin with. They could have shuffled the reveal order in a number of different ways and it would have had virtually the same effect in the long term.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I know people who watch E3 presentations but don't watch any other gaming presentations by any other companies at any other point in the year, if that's close enough. I don't know if they're "casual"; they're like... average gamers. They play a handful of games, usually mostly well-known ones, but they don't bother diving into online fanbases or anything like that. They usually hear about salient gaming news a few days late, but they still hear about it.

I think that's the crowd that E3 gets that other events don't. Not so much super casual, just general gamer.

I wouldn't call that casual though. When I say casual I mean someone who only plays mobile games or sports games. If you mean a gamer that just plays, I don't know, the latest Assassin's Creed and the Spider-Man games, then I know people like that too but that's not what I was referring to.

Though I guess my definition might be tautological because one of the indicators I take into account to see if a person is casual or not is whether they tune in to E3/TGA/other gaming events.

Are you guys planning to stay or leave smashboards after the DLC is done?

Yeah I'm totally done

Well, looking at E3 viewership during E3 2019:





Now granted I should've worded it all better - "casual" is not the best word to use in this scenario looking back - but in addition to what
N3ON said I do think that there's going to be quite a few people who aren't that invested or even aware of E3 happening if it weren't for their favorite streamer covering it. Not the main source of additional viewership of course, but still a notable source.

Of course, this is Twitch - while Youtube also has a streaming service most viewers there are going to look at the individual E3 trailers released in post. That's likely the case with the Smash reveals and it's also likely the case with other games.

That's interesting, so I guess if a FIFA/Madden/NBA Live focused streamer (and I know there's a lot of those) watches E3, then a ton of casuals will too. I hadn't considered that (mostly because I can't fathom why someone would watch someone else watching a stream) but I guess that's another potential audience for those reveals.

Still, I think there's a net benefit for EA to be at E3. The more casual viewers will tune in just for the game they like, regardless of when the event is, but the rest might turn up in bigger numbers because of E3, be it for tradition or the expectation that there will be big games there. If the goal is to sell the casuals on their hardcore games and the hardcore on their casual games I can't imagine a more efficient venue for that than E3. I know I would watch their press conference if it were in June instead of July where it's been set.

 

[volbound1700]

You know, thinking about Master Chief in Smash has me realizing that between Rare, Bethesda, and the various IP's within Xbox Game Studios, MS could probably pull off a decent crossover fighting game of their own if they wanted. I mean:

Banjo-Kazooie
Conker
Joanna Dark
Battletoads
Killer Instinct
Gears of War
Halo
Fallout
Elder Scrolls
Commander Keen
Doom
Wolfenstein
Hellblade
Psychonauts
Minecraft

They've really got a hell of a base roster if they ever went that direction.

Don't forget Blizzard: Star Craft, Warcraft, and Diablo could carry their own weight.

If Rayman or Ubisoft doesn't make it, you could recruit them as well.

 

[GoodGrief741]

You know, thinking about Master Chief in Smash has me realizing that between Rare, Bethesda, and the various IP's within Xbox Game Studios, MS could probably pull off a decent crossover fighting game of their own if they wanted. I mean:

Banjo-Kazooie
Conker
Joanna Dark
Battletoads
Killer Instinct
Gears of War
Halo
Fallout
Elder Scrolls
Commander Keen
Doom
Wolfenstein
Hellblade
Psychonauts
Minecraft
Ori

They've really got a hell of a base roster if they ever went that direction.

Every console maker should have their own crossover fighting game. Let's start a ****ing arms race of them.

The fallacy in this logic is that the roster was decided for Ultimate from the get-go, with characters like King K. Rool and Ridley being decided on at the same time as Incineroar, Ken, and Chrom. If memory serves, it was stated Isabelle was one of the first newcomers decided according to a Famitsu Column from Sakurai (though I could be wrong). This post assumes they decided it was fine to have Isabelle and Incineroar after pleasing the fans of K. Rool and Ridley when they were gonna be added to begin with. They could have shuffled the reveal order in a number of different ways and it would have had virtually the same effect in the long term.

I don't know how that goes against his argument when the point wasn't the order of reveal or even the reveals at all but rather the variety in demographic appeal and "hype" level.

It's not like they needed to wait until August 2018 to know that the hardcore fans would be all in with just Ridley and K. Rool.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Good Vibes Gaming released their Nintendo E3 Predictions video.

Good Vibes Gaming released the second part of their E3 Predictions video, this time covering non Nintendo E3s.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Every console maker should have their own crossover fighting game.

Nah. But every console maker SHOULD have their own kart racer.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Are you guys planning to stay or leave smashboards after the DLC is done?

I'm planning on sticking around but I won't be as active.
I've been in a state of almost constant Smash speculation since the Inkling trailer dropped so it'll be strange for it to all stop.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Every console maker should have their own crossover fighting game. Let's start a ****ing arms race of them.

Man, that Google Stadia fighting game's going to be pretty tiny.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Every console maker should have their own crossover fighting game. Let's start a ****ing arms race of them.

Revive PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale but make it good and make it have a good roster, let Microsoft make their own platform fighter, let the indies have their fun with Fraymakers and Rivals of Aether, and eventually in a few decades we can have a grand crossover fighter between Nintendo, PlayStation, and Xbox

 

[Icedragonadam]

Well

Good Vibes Gaming released the second part of their E3 Predictions video, this time covering non Nintendo E3s.

May I have a TL:DR version of the videos please?

 

[UserKev]

Roasted the same way he roasted all those traumatized kids playing Animal Crossing for the first time all those years ago.

o_o Don't think it was that serious. Animal Crossing doesn't have voice acting at least. The kids were just being dramatic at a mole who was worried for they're safety. Honestly, I was gonna say wimps, but nah.

 

[warubyun]

Man, that Google Stadia fighting game's going to be pretty tiny.

With every online match having delays comparable to Smash's netcode at its worst.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Revive PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale but make it good and make it have a good roster, let Microsoft make their own platform fighter, let the indies have their fun with Fraymakers and Rivals of Aether, and eventually in a few decades we can have a grand crossover fighter between Nintendo, PlayStation, and Xbox

Or we can make a fighting game starring the Console Waifus made by that one artist on Twitter (the one who made Internet Explorer-chan).

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Or we can make a fighting game starring the Console Waifus made by that one artist on Twitter (the one who made Internet Explorer-chan).

No just have them as guest characters in their respective consoles so we can see Nintendo-chan or whoever she is clean house at EVO 2134

 

[cashregister9]

Or we can make a fighting game starring the Console Waifus made by that one artist on Twitter (the one who made Internet Explorer-chan).

Does this count?

It's not a fighting game so it already doesn't count but whatever.

Neptunia characters are themed after Video Game Consoles, The Sega Hard Girls are Official designs for each Sega console as a human.

 

[volbound1700]

Revive PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale but make it good and make it have a good roster, let Microsoft make their own platform fighter, let the indies have their fun with Fraymakers and Rivals of Aether, and eventually in a few decades we can have a grand crossover fighter between Nintendo, PlayStation, and Xbox

Here is a great video of why PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale turned out the way it did. It explains well why some major star franchises were missing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IArLaodE1uc

 

[chocolatejr9]

Does this count?

It's not a fighting game so it already doesn't count but whatever.

Neptunia characters are themed after Video Game Consoles, The Sega Hard Girls are Official designs for each Sega console as a human.

Eh, that might be slightly harder to sell, given Neptunia's mixed reception...

 

[RileyXY1]

Here is a great video of why PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale turned out the way it did. It explains well why some major star franchises were missing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IArLaodE1uc

Basically, money and corporate greed where behind many of the game's more questionable decisions, such as Dante using his design from the failed DMC: Devil May Cry reboot instead of the classic design.

 

[Technomage]

With the conversation on other companies' crossover fighters, I've been thinking: Since Ninty and Mike are so buddy-buddy, maybe the could create a spin-off Smash Bros. game that's like Marvel vs. Capcom (except, you know, it'll be Nintendo vs. Microsoft)?

 

[Lyncario]

Or we can make a fighting game starring the Console Waifus made by that one artist on Twitter (the one who made Internet Explorer-chan).

A fellow Merry Weather reader, I see.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Are you guys planning to stay or leave smashboards after the DLC is done?

Judging by the responses you're getting, it seems I should leave just because the forum will be dead.

 

[GoodGrief741]

With the conversation on other companies' crossover fighters, I've been thinking: Since Ninty and Mike are so buddy-buddy, maybe the could create a spin-off Smash Bros. game that's like Marvel vs. Capcom (except, you know, it'll be Nintendo vs. Microsoft)?

Unless Microsoft goes the way of Sega I don't see it. Such a game would have to be on Xbox, and I doubt Nintendo would sign off on their IP being on a rival console.

Also I've never heard or seen anyone refer to Microsoft as Mike, I was confused and thought you meant Nike at first

 

[subterrestrial]

With the conversation on other companies' crossover fighters, I've been thinking: Since Ninty and Mike are so buddy-buddy, maybe the could create a spin-off Smash Bros. game that's like Marvel vs. Capcom (except, you know, it'll be Nintendo vs. Microsoft)?

I could see smash 6 being sum crossover **** tbh

definitely getting drastic changes tho, I doubt they’d release a Smash Bros even Ultimater. (might get a port tho)

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Also I've never heard or seen anyone refer to Microsoft as Mike, I was confused and thought you meant Nike at first

No no, he meant Mike Jones from Startropics, it turns out they finally worked out their differences and will be able to include some content from those games in Smash.

 

[N3ON]

You know, thinking about Master Chief in Smash has me realizing that between Rare, Bethesda, and the various IP's within Xbox Game Studios, MS could probably pull off a decent crossover fighting game of their own if they wanted. I mean:

Banjo-Kazooie
Conker
Joanna Dark
Battletoads
Killer Instinct
Gears of War
Halo
Fallout
Elder Scrolls
Commander Keen
Doom
Wolfenstein
Hellblade
Psychonauts
Minecraft
Ori

They've really got a hell of a base roster if they ever went that direction.

The craziest thing is that literally none of these franchises began life being owned by Microsoft.

MS is just the king of "I want dat".

 

[Mushroomguy12]

The craziest thing is that literally none of these franchises began life being owned by Microsoft.

MS is just the king of "I want dat".

Ah, the Disney of video games. (In terms of corporate behavior, in terms of characters themselves that would be Nintendo).

 

[Louie G.]

With the conversation on other companies' crossover fighters, I've been thinking: Since Ninty and Mike are so buddy-buddy, maybe the could create a spin-off Smash Bros. game that's like Marvel vs. Capcom (except, you know, it'll be Nintendo vs. Microsoft)?

Any sort of Nintendo crossover fighter would be a hit in my book, although I'd much rather see Nintendo vs Capcom pan out first, or Nintendo vs Sega to capitalize on the most legendary rivalry in gaming history. I imagine those would have a little more worldly appeal too, while Nintendo vs Microsoft would be heavily skewed in favor of a western demographic of course.

The craziest thing is that literally none of these franchises began life being owned by Microsoft.

MS is just the king of "I want dat".

This is another reason why I judge Microsoft a little bit differently, since it's not a traditional developer / publisher like say, Capcom or Square Enix - it's a conglomerate. It's in a different league than what we were used to dealing with before and I find that really interesting to think about.

Although maybe Square Enix is a weird one since that's a merger. And plenty of other companies in Smash buy out other series or subsidiaries but you get the idea. Microsoft is a totally different ballpark.

 

[Technomage]

while Nintendo vs Microsoft would be heavily skewed in favor of a western demographic of course.

I don't follow... Wouldn't that lead to a more equal representation?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

The craziest thing is that literally none of these franchises began life being owned by Microsoft.

MS is just the king of "I want dat".

Recreated video footage of Bill Gates talking to other contemporary gaming CEO's:

Volume warning

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Are there any characters you believe have a chance of being revealed at E3 regardless of want, fan demand, or frequency of speculation?

I mean, not that I want them, but they are a possibility: Jonesy from Fortnite, Tracer from Overwatch, Lloyd from Tales Of franchise. The latter which I know has been discussed but I still feel is kind of discredited here just due to Tales Of not being as big in the West.

Honestly, I could see Sora, Dr, Eggman or Tails, Ryu Hayabusa, Crash, Gen. VIII Pokémon, Jonesy, Tracer, Lloyd, or even Waluigi, just for shock value, to be our possible E3 reveal.

 

[Louie G.]

I don't follow... Wouldn't that lead to a more equal representation?

I just meant that Nintendo vs Sega / Capcom would probably see more success across the board. On our end the prospect of Nintendo vs Microsoft sounds amazing but to the Japanese market that would need to greenlight it... I'm not sure all those series are particularly noteworthy or well known.

But I mean, I'm not seriously arguing against the prospect or anything since it's of course a pie in the sky hypothetical. It was just sort of an aside.