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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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epicmartin7 said:
Here's the mathematically approximated next color for Fighter 10! (Note: There's technically more than one color possible, I just haven't gotten around to showing them yet. But I will do so here soon.)


I finally worked out the kinks in my math stuff!

Double Note: Standard math description I usually do. As long as you don't think I'm Sakurai himself, your pretty much good to go.



Well... Pink could be considered a Juggalo color. So... maybe?
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Viola from TimeSplitters 2? Good choice!

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epicmartin7 said:
Here's the mathematically approximated next color for Fighter 10! (Note: There's technically more than one color possible, I just haven't gotten around to showing them yet. But I will do so here soon.)

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What’d I tell you guys about giving me hope?
 
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Jerry98 said:
I played Federation Force recently. Call me stupid, but for what its purpose is I don't think it's a bad game.
Clearly it's one of the worst games in the franchise, but it's just a mission-based multiplayer game with a Metroid feeling and it's kinda entertaining if played with other people. Then I think we can all agree that it was release in the worst moment possible for Metroid, but it's still part of the series and Prime 4 will probably be based on the events of Federation Force.

Now let's talk about Other M: I think it's a decent game overall and a mediocre Metroid game. Still, I believe it receives too much undeserved hate.
I won't discuss the gameplay, but the story has two main problems:
1) It focuses more on a character's psychology, behaviour and relationship with other characters rather than the actual events and it is written by Japanese for Japanese. We know that Japanese people sometimes, in some situations, behave in a way that we westerners perceive as a "weird" and not always we are able to understand it.
2) The game has literally been massacred outside Japan by the localization team. There are a lot of missing or modified elements that mess up characters, dialogues, the worldbuilding and more.
I highly recommend watching this video, where a guy fluent in Japanese language analyzed the game's dialogues and pointed out the most important differences between the Japanese version and all the others. Maybe it won't change your mind about the game, but hopefully it will at least make you aware that the story you experienced is only partially the actual story and that a bad localization and translation can completely change the perception of a game.
With that in mind Other M doesn't magically become an amazing game of course, but a lot of unclear points are now explained and it is definitely improved, overall. I hope that someone felt the same after watching this video essay.

In the end, I don't think a bad Metroid game exists. Some are amazing, some are good, some are mediocre, but there aren't bad games in the franchise.
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A couple things that I should note.

While it's true that cultural differences can affect how a character is portrayed and perceived, it should also be noted that many of the complaints, including Other M's portrayal of Samus, were also criticized over in Japan. So we can't say that the problems with how her character came out were exclusively down to eastern vs. western sensibilities, the way the character was delivered ran into issues on both sides of the sea and may've just came down to just general writing issues.

Another thing that I'll say is that Sakamoto is noted to have played a part in the localization of Other M. Samus' English VA Jessica Martin mentions that she met him and he did play a part in the direction of her voice acting for instance. So it's possible that it was not just the localization team's fault here, there may've been communication issues with how Sakamoto wanted to portray the story and how the localization team was trying to convey his vision and it ran into problems.
 
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Personally, I was more on the mixed or neutral side when it came to Other M. Gameplaywise it was okay. The combat was fun and the boss battles were mostly great. I didn't even find the controls that hard to adapt to like alot of other people apparently did. The only time I really recall maybe finding them a pain was when having to switch back and forth between 2D and 3D during the Queen Metroid battle, that fight was obnoxious about it from what I remember. My only major gameplay complaint was that the pixel-hunt segments ****ing sucked.

Story-wise...yeah Other M was a mess. I wasn't as negative about it many others and think the complaints get hyperbolic at times, but that said I also wasn't a fan of how hamfisted and perpetually anticlimactic it was. I guess to give it SOME credit I didn't mind some of the lore/backstory stuff it introduced, and the deleter sunplot was awesome...at first atleast. Too bad it couldn't have also ended nicely...

Overall Other M was just a "meh" game to me. Not bad; not that good, but not bad. Honestly I don't think I would even say it's my least favorite Metroid title. As flawed as it was I could still have some fun with the gameplay atleast, which is more than I could probably say for the original versions of Metroid 1 and 2 (these games are both VERY rough to get into nowadays), or Metroid Prime Hunters (probably one of the most forgettable titles in the Metroid Series imo).
 
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Bobthealligator said:
That rule was already on shaky ground considering it was based on a mistranslation anyway.
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A translation, not a mistranslation:
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Localizers instead cut out mention of complying to age rating boards like Cero.

Regardless, I doubt age ratings would prohibit a character from being included if they're willing to censor a character design until it's acceptably within the game's age rating.
 
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Arcanir said:
A couple things that I should note.

While it's true that cultural differences can affect how a character is portrayed and perceived, it should also be noted that many of the complaints, including Other M's portrayal of Samus, were also criticized over in Japan. So we can't say that the problems with how her character came out were exclusively down to eastern vs. western sensibilities, the way the character was delivered ran into issues on both sides of the sea and may've just came down to just general writing issues.

Another thing that I'll say is that Sakamoto is noted to have played a part in the localization of Other M. Samus' English VA Jessica Martin mentions that she met him and he did play a part in the direction of her voice acting for instance. So it's possible that it was not just the localization team's fault here, there may've been communication issues with how Sakamoto wanted to portray the story and how the localization team was trying to convey his vision and it ran into problems.
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Yeah, I understand and I didn't mean that localization and cultural differences were the only problems. As I said, a good localization probably wouldn't have patched everything. I think that they could have given us a much better portrayal of Samus, though I think that this specific point of her life was the only one where showing her weaknesses would have actually made sense.

I didn't know that Sakamoto met the English VA, thanks for letting me know. Then maybe it's partially his fault too.
But this doesn't change the fact that some phrases of the original Japanese version are modified or entirely missing. There is a missing line even in Metroid Fusion English version: a line that links together Fusion with the events of Other M and makes Samus reaction to what is going on the BSL Station more appropriate, given what she experienced on the Bottle Ship. I struggle to believe that these are Sakamoto's fault. But communication problems definitely happened.

Maybe in a Fusion sequel (let's hope to see it at E3, I'm hungry for a new Metroid game!) they could add a brief sequence where they better explain some details of both Other M and Fusion to let doubts fade away.
I mean... Adam's consciousness is inside Samus spaceship computer at the end of Fusion and he should know something.
 
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Swamp Sensei said:
Honestly, I really like that Metroid Prime in general is being referenced.

So much spotlight is given to the original and Super that the rest of the series feels forgotten by comparison.
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I think that's really just a "Sakamoto ignored Prime in Other M" than any kind of Nintendo policy/preference. Other M itself only really shows up in things due to being the most recent high-def model for Samus.

Anything that goes deep into Metroid has nods to prime, such as Smash Bros. itself, WarioWare, and Miitomo. Samus Returns heavily references the Prime soundtrack, and Ridley's appearance is based on explaining how he turns from Meta to organic. I've got no doubt that Prime is the future of the series.
 
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Ayumi Tachibana said:
So apparently, Sakurai's Famitsu Column is ending this year.
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Shroob said:
Well, pile on another to the "This is it, Luigi!" pile.
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Looked at the Article, it seems that Sakurai will continue the Column a bit after the DLC are released but will end during this year, however he does add that he won't stop working on games/the game even after the column stop.

My weebspeak isn't the best but that's what I seems to read.
 
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Looked at the Article, it seems that Sakurai will continue the Column a bit after the DLC are released but will end during this year, however he does add that he won't stop working on games/the game even after the column stop.

My weebspeak isn't the best but that's what I seems to read.
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Does seem pretty sus though that the column ends the same year that FP2 ends, the same FP that he's in no less than 5 or 6 times hammered in "This is the end" now.

I do think he'll continue to work on the game in regards to say, balance adjustments, but the closer we get to the end of this pass, the more and more it really does seem to be "That's all, folks."
 
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epicmartin7 said:
Here's the mathematically approximated next color for Fighter 10! (Note: There's technically more than one color possible, I just haven't gotten around to showing them yet. But I will do so here soon.)


I finally worked out the kinks in my math stuff!

Double Note: Standard math description I usually do. As long as you don't think I'm Sakurai himself, your pretty much good to go.



Well... Pink could be considered a Juggalo color. So... maybe?
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I’m feeling Reimu, Octoling or maybe even Ahri
 
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Dinoman96 said:
Yeah, FP2 is very clear the end of the line for this game, and anyone who still thinks otherwise is asking for disappointment.
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That is why I’m keeping my standards low for E3, because usually smash reveals near the end are usually less popular or less requested characters and become hated because someone’s else’s favorite character didn’t get in. I don’t think it’ll be a big or popular character unless Nintendo originally planned for FP2 to run through 2 E3s.
 
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That is why I’m keeping my standards low for E3, because usually smash reveals near the end are usually less popular or less requested characters and become hated because someone’s else’s favorite character didn’t get in. I don’t think it’ll be a big or popular character unless Nintendo originally planned for FP2 to run through 2 E3s.
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They absolutely did.

Even assuming COVID threw a wrench in their plans in 2020, CP 10 or 11 would have comfortably fallen at E3.
 
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:ultgreninja: my man. And not only that, but it's super misleading.

He just said he once upon a time considered early retirement, but that he'll continue to work to his best until the end and will continue to work on Video Games Projects even after Smash Ultimate/The Famitsu columns ends
 
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Sari said:
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Wonder if we'll be getting Gen 4 Remake news this week as well.
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We did.
The game comes out November 19th.
 
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Sari said:
There was a problem fetching the tweet

Wonder if we'll be getting Gen 4 Remake news this week as well.
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You know what, I'm still salty about the last game and I said the same thing I said before but aw heck it, this is the SwSh redemption arc. It will only take about 4 games but Pokemon will have a definitive super awesome 3D content packed story driven RPG on the Switch. Please.
 
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Idon said:
We did.
The game comes out November 19th.
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November 19th is exactly what I expected.

But January 28th for Legends: Arceus is too soon imho. I hope they're able to polish the games and fix the technical problems they showed in the trailer before the release date. Maybe Monolith Soft or some other team can help them
 
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Dinoman96 said:
Yeah, FP2 is very clear the end of the line for this game, and anyone who still thinks otherwise is asking for disappointment.
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I'd find it really hard to play devil's advocate at this point. Every fighter release has only compounded the finality of this pack. The only hope for future DLC is to not have Sakurai involved, which has a big fat 0% chance of happening in my opinion.
 
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epicmartin7 said:
Here's the mathematically approximated next color for Fighter 10! (Note: There's technically more than one color possible, I just haven't gotten around to showing them yet. But I will do so here soon.)
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Take your pick.

Amy I weirdly am feeling more, UNLESS

Dixie Kong is meant to tie into this super duper new Donkey Kong game that's getting rumored so much. That would make sense.

I'd like it to be Birdo JUST to upset people (and to bring back the Red Shell Mii Hat aka the only shell that's in SMB2)
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Take your pick.

Amy I weirdly am feeling more, UNLESS

Dixie Kong is meant to tie into this super duper new Donkey Kong game that's getting rumored so much. That would make sense.

I'd like it to be Birdo JUST to upset people (and to bring back the Red Shell Mii Hat aka the only shell that's in SMB2)
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I forgot about Red Shell Hat theory, that could crack this case wide open
 
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epicmartin7 said:
Here's the mathematically approximated next color for Fighter 10! (Note: There's technically more than one color possible, I just haven't gotten around to showing them yet. But I will do so here soon.)


I finally worked out the kinks in my math stuff!

Double Note: Standard math description I usually do. As long as you don't think I'm Sakurai himself, your pretty much good to go.



Well... Pink could be considered a Juggalo color. So... maybe?
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Oh great, more fuel.



You realize the more patterns I see, the more possible it is I could convince myself this may happen?
 
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epicmartin7 said:
Here's the mathematically approximated next color for Fighter 10! (Note: There's technically more than one color possible, I just haven't gotten around to showing them yet. But I will do so here soon.)


I finally worked out the kinks in my math stuff!

Double Note: Standard math description I usually do. As long as you don't think I'm Sakurai himself, your pretty much good to go.



Well... Pink could be considered a Juggalo color. So... maybe?
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She's in

A Mech Character would be fun tho 0_o
 
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