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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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I really doubt it will ever happen unfortunately.
Ray's best bet is if Nintendo thinks his costume's popularity even outside the CR fandom means he's marketable to people who don't know about the franchise.
 

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I think an SMT Rep is entirely on the table, who it is and how likely they’d be compared to other competition like Eggman and Arle I can’t say for sure, but I wouldn’t at all be surprised by their reveal.
 

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Apparently the Tellius remake rumors are already dead in the water
Thanibomb said to us in no uncertain terms, “Oh I don’t know about anything. I’m just hoping there’s a Tellius remake because they’re my favorite games and it’s suspicious how much Tellius content we’ve been getting in the past year.” The user also added that they’re not involved with leaking game information anymore.
Still, seems like it'd be easy to make and having the games available 1. on a modern system 2. at a reasonable price 3. with a bit of spit and polish would make them worthwhile ports.
 

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lol there's better odds of them adding all the Persona 5 Phantom Thieves before adding a single SMT protagonist.
Would probably sell better, too.
 

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Yeah, anything is possible, but I'm not sure what Nintendo would get out of including an SMT rep when they already kinda have that demographic covered with Persona, which is, you know, way more popular than SMT is.
 

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Yeah, anything is possible, but I'm not sure what Nintendo would get out of including an SMT rep when they already kinda have that demographic covered with Persona, which is, you know, way more popular than SMT is.
To be fair, if you want to talk about covering demographics, I think Nintendo are more than willing to do it if it's profitable, see Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, JRPGs in general, and specifically Sephiroth being literally another FF7 character. Can't get more overlap than another character from the same game lol.

I think SMT's demographic is no more overlapping than Dragon Quest is with Final Fantasy 7 or Final Fantasy 7 is with Persona 5. I think it's moreso the extreme obscurity and nichneness of the franchise that holds it back from being considered, not its similar fanbase.

The only way I personally see SMT making it in is if it's along the lines of Terry Bogard wherein while he's relatively obscure, it's moreso an opportunity to represent all of Atlus's niche historic properties ie "Their giant repository of games that aren't Persona 3-5".
 

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I don't get how the hell "That demographic got something in the first pass so the second one won't at all" is a thing, we got the Rex costume for Xenoblade 2 fans and then we got 2 characters for Xenoblade 2 fans later, even if we ignore how SMT and Persona are different enough, Nintendo clearly doesn't give a **** about making every character appeal to a different crowd
 

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Yeah, anything is possible, but I'm not sure what Nintendo would get out of including an SMT rep when they already kinda have that demographic covered with Persona, which is, you know, way more popular than SMT is.
I mean, I'm sure Persona 5's fanbase has more overlap with Three Houses than any SMT game.

Those two fandoms are notoriously divided and while there are a lot of people who enjoy both, the casual vs hardcore gap between them is very noticeable. Saying that those two have the same demographic is like saying DKC fans think highly of Fire Emblem because they are both Nintendo games.
 

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I guess I just mean I don't exactly understand what Nintendo would get out of including an SMT character when they already have a vastly more popular and marketable Atlus character.
 
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I guess I just mean I don't exactly understand what Nintendo would get out of including an SMT character when they already have a vastly more popular and marketable Atlus character.
What does Nintendo have to gain with adding characters from a game with total overlap with Smash? SMT's vastly different aesthetics to Persona 5 makes it stand out, not to mention Nintendo's given funding and gotten exclusivity for SMTV, makes more sense to me than say, adding an ARMS character
 

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What does Nintendo have to gain with adding characters from a game with total overlap with Smash? SMT's vastly different aesthetics to Persona 5 makes it stand out, not to mention Nintendo's given funding and gotten exclusivity for SMTV, makes more sense to me than say, adding an ARMS character
I feel like you could of said the same thing with No More Heroes.
 
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I feel like you could of easily said the same thing with No More Heroes.
This changes how exactly? I know you always believed Travis was 'too small' of a character to get in, but surely this doesn't apply to a franchise that sold 12 million if excluding Persona, which also managed to get big enough to cross over with Devil May Cry V during the peak of that game's popularity and Berserk?
 

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Sakurai is saying that we're going to have to wait a bit longer for the next announcement. I think this combined with Nintendo having an E3 Direct confirms we're not getting anything in May.
From the context, it sounds like it may not even be Smash related. I mean, I guess he could have been saying "I haven't just been doing Smash Pics of the Day, I'm doing something else too!" but...we all know that. Kinda sounded like he meant something other than Smash in general. Maybe a new IP with Sakurai involved will be shown off at E3.
 
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"Just a bit longer" could mean a delay, or it could mean similar to what happened last time that we have some extra stuff coming, or even that things are shaping up faster than we expect. It's normal Sakurai talk.

At this point, ive long since lost intrest in this game
Then why post in a thread on a forum for discussing this game? Go do something fun instead.
 
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So they're basically going to sit on whatever they have until E3? Hopefully this means they have stuff to announce and it's not just "oops only Breath of the Wild" or "oops only Smash" like some previous E3s.
 

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So they're basically going to sit on whatever they have until E3? Hopefully this means they have stuff to announce and it's not just "oops only Breath of the Wild" or "oops only Smash" like some previous E3s.
Considering the only other games they have are Skyward Sword HD and Splatoon 3 I feel it's gonna be showing off other planned games for the year and perhaps next year
 

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I don't think SMT overlaps with Persona at all in terms of fanbase. I mean, there's obviously an overlap for multiple and obvious reasons but Persona 3, 4 and 5 have essentially their own fanbase for each game. Especially 5. Then there's a more overall Persona fanbase which is still more dedicated to the newer entries.

And I don't agree much with the point when anyone could argue we got picks that cater to audiences that already got a piece of cake in base game/Fighters Pass 1. Heck you can even find people that thinks Hero appeals to the Persona audience as much as Joker only because both series are JRPGs despite of being drastically different.

I'd say a Shin Megami Tensei character would appeal to mostly a new audience and at the same time, would bring more attention towards the series. A lot of Persona fans have heard about SMT at some point and probably are familiar with the notion that Persona and SMT are related, but never gave the series a try for multiple reasons. A Smash character could push them to do that. This would also apply to other people, not only Persona fans, of course.
That is a thing Nintendo and the third parties seek. Nintendo has seemingly funded SMTV, which is an exclusive game and the first Atlus game to have a worlwide release, which is a HUGE deal for Atlus. And I'm pretty sure part of that is thanks to Nintendo. So Nintendo would definitely want the game to be a success and I'm sure they're gonna push it a lot when the time comes.

So I could see them pushing for a SMT character in a similar way to what happened with Bayonetta (a game that Nintendo has interest to push because of exclusivity reasons) or Dragon Quest (a historic series with strong ties to Nintendo).

And in this case, these 2 reasons apply to Shin Megami Tensei, which is something that not a lot of franchises can say in regards to Smash. Yeah, the series is still kinda niche and all but sometimes I feel that when it comes to SMT in Smash people are very quick in dismissing the possibility when the franchise has some arguments in it's favour that a lot of people use for other IPs but for some reason it doesn't seem to be as valid with Shin Megami Tensei.

2017 and 19 were really strong years, but 18 and 20 were kinda weak with only one or two big games. If the pattern continues, this will be a good year.
I hope so, and if that's going to be the case we should see more about that soon, with the E3 Direct as the final stop. I'm sure we'll see Breath of the Wild 2 there. I believe we could see Bayonetta 3 or something Metroid related there as well, I think it's already time for that. There's also the rumoured FE remake and whatever Monolith Soft is working on.
 

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I don't think SMT overlaps with Persona at all in terms of fanbase. I mean, there's obviously an overlap for multiple and obvious reasons but Persona 3, 4 and 5 have essentially their own fanbase for each game. Especially 5. Then there's a more overall Persona fanbase which is still more dedicated to the newer entries.

And I don't agree much with the point when anyone could argue we got picks that cater to audiences that already got a piece of cake in base game/Fighters Pass 1. Heck you can even find people that thinks Hero appeals to the Persona audience as much as Joker only because both series are JRPGs despite of being drastically different.

I'd say a Shin Megami Tensei character would appeal to mostly a new audience and at the same time, would bring more attention towards the series. A lot of Persona fans have heard about SMT at some point and probably are familiar with the notion that Persona and SMT are related, but never gave the series a try for multiple reasons. A Smash character could push them to do that. This would also apply to other people, not only Persona fans, of course.
That is a thing Nintendo and the third parties seek. Nintendo has seemingly funded SMTV, which is an exclusive game and the first Atlus game to have a worlwide release, which is a HUGE deal for Atlus. And I'm pretty sure part of that is thanks to Nintendo. So Nintendo would definitely want the game to be a success and I'm sure they're gonna push it a lot when the time comes.

So I could see them pushing for a SMT character in a similar way to what happened with Bayonetta (a game that Nintendo has interest to push because of exclusivity reasons) or Dragon Quest (a historic series with strong ties to Nintendo).

And in this case, these 2 reasons apply to Shin Megami Tensei, which is something that not a lot of franchises can say in regards to Smash. Yeah, the series is still kinda niche and all but sometimes I feel that when it comes to SMT in Smash people are very quick in dismissing the possibility when the franchise has some arguments in it's favour that a lot of people use for other IPs but for some reason it doesn't seem to be as valid with Shin Megami Tensei.



I hope so, and if that's going to be the case we should see more about that soon, with the E3 Direct as the final stop. I'm sure we'll see Breath of the Wild 2 there. I believe we could see Bayonetta 3 or something Metroid related there as well, I think it's already time for that. There's also the rumoured FE remake and whatever Monolith Soft is working on.
I can attest to that for myself at least. I loved Persona 3-5 but I’ve never played a mainline SMT game. I’m probably going to try out the new game coming out on Switch to see if I enjoy the series as much as I do Persona.
 

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Lord help everyone if there is another metroid moment at e3 where they announced a game a bit too early
Or the SAME game a bit too early, AGAIN.

I guess I just mean I don't exactly understand what Nintendo would get out of including an SMT character when they already have a vastly more popular and marketable Atlus character.
What did they get out of adding Simon, when they already had Snake?
 
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Yeah, anything is possible, but I'm not sure what Nintendo would get out of including an SMT rep when they already kinda have that demographic covered with Persona, which is, you know, way more popular than SMT is.
I my opinion, that "demographic thing" doesn't mean anything at all. Terry is such a good exemple. SNK (most preciselly FF/KOF) isn't well known in USA, having a most prominent success in asian countries and latin america. Metal Slug, by the other hand, is somewhat popular in USA. That didn't stop them to put Terry in the game, which let many people to comment things like "What? That's just Ken in a hat! I don't know who that is and i hate it."

I'm not trying to defend the inclusion of a SMT rep (i've never played any SMT game and don't pretend to), but demographic popularity isn't a reliable value to discuss if a character addition is going to be likely or not.
 
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Honestly, I'm betting on a tease sometime in may, and then a reveal(possibly a double reveal, or even a triple one, if that one weird slot inbetween Pyra and the next character means anything) at E3. It would line right up with the schedule of ending the pass this year, and give enough time to spread the hype out.
 

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I can attest to that for myself at least. I loved Persona 3-5 but I’ve never played a mainline SMT game. I’m probably going to try out the new game coming out on Switch to see if I enjoy the series as much as I do Persona.
Then I truly hope you to enjoy it when it releases. Even if you don't like it as much as Persona, you should have a good time with it. You'll find some familiar things but it's mostly different from Persona.

I'm really excited for SMTV to be honest, it was one of my main reasons to pick a Switch back then, alongside Bayonetta and Metroid... and well, I'm still waiting lmao
 

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For the record, SMT has a completely separate fanbase from persona nowadays. A lot of people play persona now because of the dating sim stuff, while SMT doesn't have that at all. That's why persona fans tend to actually be modern persona fans, because P1 and the P2s haven't got dating sim elements (even though it's not actually as close to SMT as people think).

They are essentially different series now, and SMT in smash could technically represent all of non-modern persona megaten, which includes dungeon crawlers, cinematic story-focussed JRPGs, action-RPGs, tactical RPGs and stuff like that. Unlike Persona, SMT could actually appeal to a wide variety of fanbases, while also representing a couple of switch games Nintendo wants to push.
 

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I think the final character will be saved for a Sakurai Presents like Corrin/Bayo and Byleth so Sakurai can talk about the character and thank everyone immediately after the reveal. Even if E3 is a big venue, it's hard imagining them going, "Here's the very last character. Wait a few more months and then Mr. Sakurai will talk about them. Hope you enjoyed the second pass."
 
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I’m just praying for a Sora reveal.
I'd be willing to bet Sora is just not happening. (unless Disney approves) They technically own Sora and the Disney stuff in FF games, and thus would need their approval for Sora to get in. At the same time though, Square does still have the rights to FF characters, hence how we got :ultsephiroth:
 
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