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Smash Champion
55-45 wario is accurate!!
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**Diddy Kong [Old] General Match-Ups**
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white peachy
Smash Ace
I awlays thought it was pretty much even. I can live with 55-45 though.
DUB
Smash Lord
I've played a good Wario a few times. It's a lot of spacing. The double jump weaving shouldn't cause problems, hes got too come down eventually, granted he might just shield if you miss timing. Wario can't do to much with the naners and has a bad dash attack to get them.
GT OoS will screw you over if you don't mix it up. Against a good Wario who knows what your doing he'll come in with a bite and take you while your shielding. He's terrific off the stage with the annoying little fair.
I don't really know what stages are good and bad for Wario. He's got kill moves that are good horizontal and quick low lag vertical kill. On a gimping level, he's about average.
His F-smash is kind of predictable when it will be used so get him after it. He's got a gnarly spot dodge so you gotta be quick.
Diddy's got the grab-release dair off the end of the stage someone here came up with. It's patience really. An annoying match but just dribble while he's floating to and away from you to make him change movement and follow him.
55-45 Wario.
GT OoS will screw you over if you don't mix it up. Against a good Wario who knows what your doing he'll come in with a bite and take you while your shielding. He's terrific off the stage with the annoying little fair.
I don't really know what stages are good and bad for Wario. He's got kill moves that are good horizontal and quick low lag vertical kill. On a gimping level, he's about average.
His F-smash is kind of predictable when it will be used so get him after it. He's got a gnarly spot dodge so you gotta be quick.
Diddy's got the grab-release dair off the end of the stage someone here came up with. It's patience really. An annoying match but just dribble while he's floating to and away from you to make him change movement and follow him.
55-45 Wario.
chimpact
Smash Lord
Yea it's definitely in Wario's favor. Considering he can change the momentum of the battle easily and not relinquish it. It is hard for diddy to come back when wario has you in the air. You have to camp really hard and have good spacing with your peanuts to start capitalizing on Wario's mistakes. And don't forget, the Fsmash might be predictable, but it has SA frames, and the wario could use it when diddy is above him.
true. Diddy's u-smash sucks!
bludhoundz
Smash Ace
In terms of killing... yeah
In terms of eating spotdodges, shields, and damage racking.. nah
Nitrix
Smash Ace
Wario scares me 
ADHD
Smash Hero
naner lock > grab > dair spike at the edge. Beastly!!!! So I think it's either 40-60 in wario's favor to 45-55. It's not that bad at all, you just have to keep playing the matchup and it gets easier. I don't remember talking about wario that much, but his trip is beautiful to punish XD It's the perfect length. Your aerials can compete with his, and that's his strong suit. The main reason why he does well against diddy is he just can space superbly in the air and give diddy a hard time with retreating attacks; also diddy cannot kill wario until 140ish each stock which is a pain unless it's an undecayed dsmash at the edge of a stage perhaps.
Player-1
Smash Legend
I played a good Wario today, and I have to say that you CP YI against Wario, you have more space to GR > dair him. The lips at the edges of the stage give you the ability to grab him from a farther distance since they're slanted and you can still GR him there.
i noticed that alot of warios move in the air in the shape of a hourglass or sometimes an oval.
and
argh whats the best way to gimp wario? can u sideb him while he has his bike? o-o i could never time that right cuz of the angle some warios place their bikes in the air.
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argh whats the best way to gimp wario? can u sideb him while he has his bike? o-o i could never time that right cuz of the angle some warios place their bikes in the air.
Twin_A
Smash Champion
subscribing. good stuff
Diddyknight
Smash Lord
they always stay in the air >.>
Dark Ryu
Smash Ace
Here's what I know about the matchup, first and foremost remember Wario can be grab released to a dair which could be used for a quick gimp kill. Also as Chrome stated, his trip length is perfect to punish which I prefer to go to a GR for an easy 15% dmg. Try to keep using peanuts for spacing for some easy extra dmg. Something to remember is that wario's fsmash also has a hitbox behind him so be aware that you could be killed by it if you're close enough to him. Another thing to remember is that Wario's up-B doesn't auto grab the ledge making it easy to edgehog if for some circumstance he doesn't have his bike. Last thing I want to say is that Wario's fart has more killing potential before its fully charged so a good wario would go for it a little earlier.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
hehe i kno the match very well. I have a vid but only special ppl can watch it lmao.
Peanuts dont work. Just saying.
Peanuts dont work. Just saying.
Twin_A
Smash Champion
Hey NinjaLink I'll give you a dollar if I can watch it >.> haha yeah right 
I dont know much about this matchup tho so can't help you guys with this one >.<
I dont know much about this matchup tho so can't help you guys with this one >.<
ADHD
Smash Hero
They do until he comes at you XD
Player-1
Smash Legend
I'm special =)
fsdfsdgsgdf
Smash Champion
Hey ninjalink do you still not main anyone?
NinjaLink
Smash Master
yes i still main no one. Why?
fsdfsdgsgdf
Smash Champion
just wondering.
but i wanna see you play as wario, luigi and pikachu
but i wanna see you play as wario, luigi and pikachu
ADHD
Smash Hero
You main diddy kong. You main everyone, and everyone isn't no one. Diddy kong is a part of everyone therefor you main him.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
please try not to get on my nerves Chrome.
i have a vid of my luigi and wario suspect Its old though. The wario one is funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPMOHJQx6gg
i have a vid of my luigi and wario suspect Its old though. The wario one is funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPMOHJQx6gg
ADHD
Smash Hero
I wasn't, it's a geometric theorem I just forgot the name.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
sounds more like inui logic
white peachy
Smash Ace
You really made me 'lol' that first stock...
ADHD
Smash Hero
Move this discussion to ike? Ike is a matchup i feel slightly in diddy's favor but Ike can be a pain
just be cautious of ike's air cancels into jab combos. and beware the neutral B as it has stage spike/killing potential plus has invincibility frames.
oh and note to block the air cancel attacks such as shnair into jab cancel combo just shield grab after the first initial attack of the shnair. A clear example of this can be seen in some of kurks matches (hes a pretty damm fine ike tho nonetheless o.o).
dont attempt to verticaly gimp ike as it usually results in a highly possible failure suicide/kamikazi xD. but hell if u know hes gonna sideb, either take the hit and/or spike that **** ^.^.
when recovering as diddy watch out for when ur close to the edge...expect a dtilt spike o-o
another thing to add is that ike's ftilt may be slow but thats what makes it so ****ing unpredictible to block. you can kinda say it goes through spotdodge in a sense where you see ike perform the ftilt u spotdodge then ur spotdodge ends and then finally ikes sword hits u...ugh sometimes very homo just shield more than u spotdodge cauze u wouldnt want ur friends to face palm when u get a fully charged fsmash in ur face >_<.
basically time all of ikes moves and block and punish when appropriate.
in my mind 55-45 diddy...mindgames+spacing+cowbell ftw.
oh and note to block the air cancel attacks such as shnair into jab cancel combo just shield grab after the first initial attack of the shnair. A clear example of this can be seen in some of kurks matches (hes a pretty damm fine ike tho nonetheless o.o).
dont attempt to verticaly gimp ike as it usually results in a highly possible failure suicide/kamikazi xD. but hell if u know hes gonna sideb, either take the hit and/or spike that **** ^.^.
when recovering as diddy watch out for when ur close to the edge...expect a dtilt spike o-o
another thing to add is that ike's ftilt may be slow but thats what makes it so ****ing unpredictible to block. you can kinda say it goes through spotdodge in a sense where you see ike perform the ftilt u spotdodge then ur spotdodge ends and then finally ikes sword hits u...ugh sometimes very homo just shield more than u spotdodge cauze u wouldnt want ur friends to face palm when u get a fully charged fsmash in ur face >_<.
basically time all of ikes moves and block and punish when appropriate.
in my mind 55-45 diddy...mindgames+spacing+cowbell ftw.
For the people talking about Wario picking up bananas with dash attacks, that's not my preferred way of doing it. Our nairs are much more effective at that, and they have the added advantage of either spacing you guys, or weak-hitting into a combo.
rinoH
Smash Lord
60:40 for Ike imo
Ike it is then!
Can someone drop a thread in their forum and post a link please?
<3
Can someone drop a thread in their forum and post a link please?
<3
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
....I could have swore we did this match-up on the Ike end of the boards like, a week ago. O_o
I believe we were talking 55-45 Diddy's A to 5-5 range.....I'll dig through it again.
Unless of course, I'm wrong on the character. *shrugs*
I believe we were talking 55-45 Diddy's A to 5-5 range.....I'll dig through it again.
Unless of course, I'm wrong on the character. *shrugs*
Thats from Chromepirate's input.
ADHD
Smash Hero
yes don't get jabbed not much else to say, really straight-forward match
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
The general results were mostly 55-45 Diddy's advantage during the week we discussed this match in the Ike forums.
There's only one thing that's changed, and it's pretty major, actually.
Ike normally can't glide toss forward and his backwards one is pretty terribly. With DACIT (Dash Attack Cancel Item Toss) he gains the ability to slide across 3/4 of Final Destination while throwing an item, essentially a massive glide toss.
It's a very recent discovery, so we didn't discuss it in the Ike topic.
There's only one thing that's changed, and it's pretty major, actually.
Ike normally can't glide toss forward and his backwards one is pretty terribly. With DACIT (Dash Attack Cancel Item Toss) he gains the ability to slide across 3/4 of Final Destination while throwing an item, essentially a massive glide toss.
It's a very recent discovery, so we didn't discuss it in the Ike topic.
would love to see a vid cuz glide tossing can change matches xD (mk/dk) >_<
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
Le_THieN
Smash Lord
LOL, I saw the Wolf Boards creaming their pants over Wolf's banana peel DACIT into D-smash a couple of weeks ago, and then JJ lost to Nanerz in a MM. *shrug* It's great for spacing and pressure, but not as versatile as you think.
agreed. but hell they have a glide toss now >_< as long as its predictable i wouldnt care yet :\
white peachy
Smash Ace
I guess I just have a lot of experience with this matchup but I don't it's very difficult for diddy. If necessary, diddy can camp Ike easily and pressure him into approach, at which time he becomes predictable. Trying to gimp a good Ike can be dangerous, so I would say play more on the safe side because diddy should control the majority of the match. His glide toss, or variation of the glide toss, doesn't seem to have great follow ups from what I've seen. This could be a matchup that is very stage dependent but IMO Diddy's advantage 60-40.
CrAzYdRuNk
Smash Cadet
Thing is, that if he picks a stage that eliminates Diddy's banana game, (like Norfair, or something) his range nails Diddy to the wall. On a neutral stage , Diddy just kills Ike. But on a counterpick that eliminates banana play, Ike wins. Or at least thats my experiance.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
DACIT -> Jab -> Pivot grab while still sliding is still nice though. >_> Seriously. The only other moves I can see an Ike using out of DACIT are Eruption due to SAFs, Counter because it looks cool (lulz) or Usmash. It defiantly helps, but I don't think anyone on the Ike boards has attempted to use it much yet......