#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
If it were "objectively" a better game, then no one would disagree with you.
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#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
Hell no. This is a mans topic. Women should bake goods for the discussion at most.
#HBC | ѕoup
The world is not beautiful, therefore it is.
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gorf you're a beautiful human being and i respect your enthusiasm
Well that's a terrible argument. People disagree about lots of things that can be objectively proven.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Except this can't be objectively proven.
That said, I don't really see this discussion going anywhere meaningful at this point.
Someone pick a game in my backlog for me to start when I finish Advance Wars! (Preferably handheld, but console is fine too)
http://backloggery.com/Raziek
That said, I don't really see this discussion going anywhere meaningful at this point.
Someone pick a game in my backlog for me to start when I finish Advance Wars! (Preferably handheld, but console is fine too)
http://backloggery.com/Raziek
#HBC | Kary
Fiend of Fire
FFT
You are just dumb. However, I guess you are living proof that someone can believe something that is objectively wrong.
With a matter of taste, you don't have any ground to stand on, regardless of how strongly you feel.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Copy/paste:
Hey folks!
I need a taker to replace into Soup's slot as France (In Diplomacy), as he has NMR'd a few times and is having internet trouble. I will warn you that he is not in the greatest position (probably 2nd worst-off in the game), but it is still possible to get your *** back in the game with some negotiation.
Soup has 4 territories, but missed build phase.
This is the current state of the game, we are in Spring 1902. The current phase ends in 4 days. If you would like to replace in, let me know as soon as possible.
Hey folks!
I need a taker to replace into Soup's slot as France (In Diplomacy), as he has NMR'd a few times and is having internet trouble. I will warn you that he is not in the greatest position (probably 2nd worst-off in the game), but it is still possible to get your *** back in the game with some negotiation.
Soup has 4 territories, but missed build phase.
This is the current state of the game, we are in Spring 1902. The current phase ends in 4 days. If you would like to replace in, let me know as soon as possible.
Fandangox
Smash Lord
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
Obviously these feminists aren't killing people but it's the same concept: a legitimate cause is being taken very out of proportion by a sum of very loud people.
#HBC | Joker
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Sure, there are "extremists" in any movement. But it is quite a leap in logic to use the worst examples within a community to judge the community or its philosophy as a whole.
Actually, I would just say it's because, statistically, the men in these situations are much less likely to even want custody of the child and therefor don't fight for it. Because that seems to be the truth. In cases in which the father actually fights for sole custody rights, he actually seems to win pretty often.
I wanna make it clear that I agree with you that the gender binary is ultimately unfair to everyone, not just women. And I also want to make clear that, yes, plenty of women do perpetuate the binary themselves, because they're susceptible to internalizing misogyny just as men are. But it's hard to argue that the world we live in wasn't created by alpha males for alpha males and therefor oppresses females disproportionately. That's ultimately the root of it. The point isn't to blame men for everything; the point is simply to recognize the real problem to pursue the real solution.
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Gorf this post is packed so full of bull**** it could keep my lawn green all winter, so I'm going to respond to the one little part that I think is actually at the crux of why you can't see the forest with all these trees in the way. I don't know what kind of "feminists" you've been talking to, but you've really gotten ****ed up on the issue.
And because I can't help myself:
You're bi, right? Sure is easy to relate to a movement for equal rights when it directly effects you, isn't it? When you're not a member of the group being victimized, nor have many people around you who are and understand it, it is pretty difficult to realize you're actually part of the probelm. It's why well-meaning straight people can look at Ellen Page coming out and get grumpy about the fact that they had to be bothered about a topic that doesn't cater to them, rather than being glad that a person is being honest with themselves and bettering their community as a result, even if it's not a community that they belong to.
And because I can't help myself:
So your issue is the name? Get over it. Women have it better than they had before? Cool, so do black, brown and gay people. Doesn't mean racism and homophobia have been eradicated. "I wouldn't be surprised if...?" Come back when you have an actual stance rather than just being pissed at a bunch of strawmen.Edit: The woman in Xonar's youtube link used a very good word: Humanist. Feminists believe in rising up, when in reality they're in a MUCH MUCH MUCH better position () than they were back in the day. I'd be surprised if it wasn't a matter of wanting to be better than men, which is ****ing petty.
No, but seriously, an eyeroll just doesn't even come close to cutting it. "Obviously they aren't killing people but... they still make me feel bad sometimes. That's the same!"
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#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
I actually realized that I'm not when I had my ex girlfriend, it was kinda just not being afraid of if I am. Ya just understand more with interaction, you feel me? Other than that I mean you're not going to talk me out of thinking that things have a tendency to be radical when you reflect on the progress we've had as a people man. I don't mean to sound spiteful, I just think that what's happened isn't appreciated, and that, well, change takes time man.
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Circus
- As people who
A.) Don't have the power to make immediate significant reform.
and B.) Don't run around showing hyper misogynistic tendencies.
Which kind of feminist do you think people like Gorf run into? Is it
A.) The kind that don't care about him much at all.
or B.) The kind that shove it down people's throats.
Circus
- As people whoA.) Don't have the power to make immediate significant reform.
and B.) Don't run around showing hyper misogynistic tendencies.
Which kind of feminist do you think people like Gorf run into? Is it
A.) The kind that don't care about him much at all.
or B.) The kind that shove it down people's throats.
ranmaru
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The real problem is women as well, and how society pushes feminism their way. When a man has a son, it's his role to teach the son to be a man, but does he also have that same role over his daughter? Nope. (Usually) I'm sure if the dad taught the girl to be like a man, she'd prolly be happier. Prolly.
Feminism is a self-defeating cycle of fail. Girl is born > Realizes boys have ***** > boys feel good about having ***** and peeing in the pee stall with pride [Well, maybe not all, as I'm lazy and sit every time], while girl feels ashamed of having to sit down to pee > Girl doesn't have as much freedom as man (probably less true today) > Girl has a harder time finding her own individuality in comparison to a boy > Mother and circlejerk of women pressure her to be feminine > In current times, women encourage women to be independent, yet still insist on 'keeping her feminism' and 'prettyness' > girl hates mom for it (if the mother did that) > does the same to her daughter > SELF DEFEAT LOOP OH GOD HOW DO THEY GET OUT.
Some fall in between and this is relevant I guess: http://www.upworthy.com/do-all-the-...omen-make-your-head-spin-heres-a-comic-for-ya
Basically, I am fine with girls playing videogames or climbing trees, as those things shouldn't be things 'just for boys', as it limits their individuality. If a teacher called a girl a tomboy, I would interfere and say "She's not a tomboy, she's a girl that likes to play videogames."
Maybe this isn't the most solid contribution, I'm sure I could give a better one by re-reading 'the second sex'.
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BSL
B-B-B-BLAMM!!!
Lol standing to pee is the problem guys you did it ran equality for everyone
#HBC | Acrostic
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Ramza is overpowered???
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
OHHHHHH French is losing? WOW BIG SURPRISE!Copy/paste:
Hey folks!
I need a taker to replace into Soup's slot as France (In Diplomacy), as he has NMR'd a few times and is having internet trouble. I will warn you that he is not in the greatest position (probably 2nd worst-off in the game), but it is still possible to get your *** back in the game with some negotiation.
Soup has 4 territories, but missed build phase.
This is the current state of the game, we are in Spring 1902. The current phase ends in 4 days. If you would like to replace in, let me know as soon as possible.
AHUH
ahuh
ahuh
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Make jokes if you want, but France has statistically the highest winrate, lol.
BarDulL
Town Vampire
strictly speaking about vanilla FFT (can't speak for the other versions), you can solo the game with ramza more efficiently than a standard run.
basically ramza's squire class comes with a special skill called "yell" that only ramza can get, which will give you a nice amount of experience/job points alongside increasing your speed whenever you cast it (costs 0 mp so you can cast it infinitely). if you cast yell enough times on a single map then you'll eventually be able to move 5-6 times in a row before your opponent can move, which allows you to pummel the enemy team to death without repercussions. things get even more silly once you get "scream" (also a ramza specific move) because it not only raises your speed but also raises your damage output, effectively replacing yell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wah1jXhfVjk#t=4m20s
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July
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Pssh, I can bake good for the discussion and contribute to it, I'm just that good.
On the issue of feminism, I definitely understand the critiques of the current movement that has come to encompass a whole variety of different opinions that are often in conflict with one another (for example, opinions on stay at home moms vary greatly between self-proclaimed feminists). Personally, I prefer the term gender equity over feminism because the latter takes into consideration the fact that binary gender roles are confining for everyone, not just women. People should not be punished for defying gender roles and challenging the binaries of "masculinity" or "femininity", but at the same time they should not be punished for conforming to gender roles if they so choose and genuinely desire to express themselves in that way. Ultimately, gender expression should be a choice and one that comes without stigmatization over time (social changes do not and cannot occur over night).
Honestly, the type of social equity such as that described in the above paragraph is incredibly difficult to achieve because it requires a complete rethinking of our deeply entrenched, socially constructed ideas about sex and gender. However, the other big issue among feminists is usually economic equality or equity, and that should (at least in theory) be easier to achieve: the same work should be rewarded with the same pay, regardless of a person's age, gender, sexuality, race, etc. Yet surprisingly we are not at that point yet, although I have some kind of optimistic faith that we'll get there eventually.
BSL
B-B-B-BLAMM!!!
WAIT IM REPLACING IN AS FRANCE?!?!?!?! **** ME
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Going to interrupt you right here just to say that I don't accept 'B.' In fact, based on what Gorf posts here and his claim that his anti-feminism is a known characteristic to his brother and his brother's girlfriend, I would assume exactly the opposite is true if I were to assume anything at all.@
A.) Don't have the power to make immediate significant reform.
and B.) Don't run around showing hyper misogynistic tendencies.
But I'd prefer not to make those assumptions.
I'm really not in a position to determine "which kind" of feminist Gorf typically runs into, nor do I see why it would matter. I'm not interested in case-by-case assessments of right and wrongdoing. I just want to make the point that, if you truly do think that everyone should be treated equally, as Gorf has claimed and as I'm sure most everyone else reading this would claim, then you are a feminist. That's what feminism is. Whatever bad experiences one may have had regarding failed chivalry or whatever is irrelevant. And if the worst thing a woman has done to you as a man is say something snotty when you hold the door for her, then you've got no business complaining about women as a whole, or feminism as a concept. You just held the door for ****ty person. You're still at the top of the food chain, make no mistake.
Also, regarding the implication that "shoving [feminism] down people's throats" is a bad thing, what else would you propose when someone is unwilling to take their medicine? This is not a live-and-let-live situation. Certain things are personal: your faith (or lack thereof), your taste in art, your favorite ****ing Final Fantasy Tactics game. But when you're dealing with how society actually treats you and people like you, there is no being nice about it when a change needs to be made. You stand up and demand better treatment or you don't ever get it. Which is why I'm here, posting walls of text, instead of reading Gorf's posts, rolling my eyes and switching tabs. If I sit quietly with my beliefs, then they don't make any difference. If people don't get called out on their ****, they never learn, and society doesn't just change slowly, it doesn't change at all.
Gorf thinks that not enough acknowledgement is given to how far women have already come. That makes sense, because as a man, it really does not matter to him if they go any farther. He has no horse in that race. So he has the luxury of looking backward and admiring the distance traveled, rather than looking ahead and cursing how far away the finish line still is. We have NOT crossed it yet, so why would we rest? Why would we stop to pat ourselves on the back for making it halfway?
Like, I'm starting to think you guys think that progress just happens? It doesn't. It takes work. It takes a willingness to see from points of view that are not your own so that you can see how your life and its privileges impact others. And sometimes it involves being totally unlikable and preachy online. You either do all that and align yourself with the solution or you stay part of the problem, and in twenty years we'll still be telling boys not to cry so that they'll bottle up their emotions and take them out as aggression later. We'll still be telling girls that their aspirations in life should be landing a partner and starting a family rather than whatever the **** they want them to be. We'll still be telling women that the closest thing to desert they deserve is yogurt because getting fat would be worse than getting a terminal illness. We'll still be telling young women what to wear when they go out to try to prevent them from being *****, rather than teaching young men not to ****, and we'll still be telling the girl she must have been "asking for it" if she had chosen to wear a skirt that day. And that's all bull****. And it only changes if we recognize that all of these things, including the things that impact men, are a product of patriarchy and then take steps to change how we live our own lives within that.
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i see you jerkus
>keeps typo
i see you jerkus
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
I'm actually just not gonna respond because I feel like what it boils down to is you and me telling each other things we already know, Circus. Have fun arguing with gorf of all people though.
#HBC | Laundry
Grand Sage of Swag
How and why did we go from like FFT/FE talk to Feminism?
Oh, Gorf. Naturally.
Oh, Gorf. Naturally.
#HBC | Laundry
Grand Sage of Swag
Not as ****ed as Asstria. Russia, on the other hand, is the anti-Moth.
#franceeast
#HBC | Laundry
Grand Sage of Swag
Circus, have you ever read the Racial Formation Theory? This relates to the topic at hand, I promise.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
well, they start with the same letter
BSL
B-B-B-BLAMM!!!
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#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
I didn't say it. Was just a picture of baguette.
BSL
B-B-B-BLAMM!!!
You and I both know what you meant.