Event - MLG Anaheim 2014 Dear MLG

[Ussi]

Why can't we get an audio stream while we wait for the rights to get passed/rejected?


edit to below: If you say so.. I was just wondering.. if anything can't we set one up ourselves like how we went and recorded some matches ourselves?

 

[Pierce7d]

There is a reason, I find it to be a fairly good reason. I'll leave it up to MLG to disclose it to the public at their leisure.

 

[Jem.]

You know, as a player who was not able to attend MLG Orlando but did get to attend MLG Columbus, I can't help but agree a little. What's going on is that everyone not at the event is basically left in the dark, which to me, hinders the brawl community. They'll stop caring, stop worrying, and then Brawl will just be a thing for the tournament players, which is not the only way it thrives.

MLG is professional as heck, ill be attending the rest of the events this year, and cbus was ran amazing, but I can't help but agree that SOMETHING needs to happen so that the people at home don't have to wait all day. Allied's Twitter was the only savior, but more people need to step up, or Nintendo/MLG need to work their thing out. Because part of me thinks Brawl could be removed from the circuit next year if something **** doesnt happen with the stream situation, but maybe I'm wrong.

MLG had 2 years to think about adding Brawl, and I would hope that by the first event they would have asked Nintendo a couple years in advance, just to be sure. But things happen, and MLG is amazing, but we can only hope it gets worked out, since 99% of us don't have any say or control in what happens.

 

[Pierce7d]

Well, I can pretty much say with certainty that MLG isn't just going to indefinitely sit and twiddle their thumbs waiting on Nintendo forever. I agree with the patient approach for now.

 

[Dark 3nergy]

It's nintendos console/ their game they have rights too. Patients is required when dealing with them.


If they still say no we have to accept it as fact and move on.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Well, honestly, what can you expect.

This is America: The land of lawsuits.

 

[vVv Rapture]

Eh, I'll say just a few things.

First off, besides my personal vulgar methods of refereeing (which you all love, so don't give me your ****) we ran that **** professional as hell.

Secondly, I talked with some of the higher ups with MLG, and they gave me a VERY GOOD response to why they haven't done an audio stream. Considering I was the first person to suggest this, and would probably be the one selected to perform on the stream, I would hope many of you take it to heart when I say, MLG very much seems to have your best interests at heart. They are thinking in the long term, and they hear you and are NOT ignoring you.

I can also say it's reasonably possible to see an audio stream in the future if Live Stream rights are not granted.

I'm not going into any details, because I'll let an MLG rep do that. I just want you to know that despite all this bashing due to you all jumping to conclusions, etc, MLG is still looking out for you. It doesn't have anything to do with MLG being cheap, because I heavily suspect Sundance would pay for that **** out of pocket if it came to that.

I just found this and found it quite interesting.

Clearly the problem is not Nintendo's reluctance to give permission, rather, it is MLG's reluctance to pay for rights to the stream. That's how it works. Nintendo wants money if MLG uses their product to make a profit. That's the only reason why there is no stream.

The reason why we don't have a stream is because MLG won't pay for it because they can't pay for it. MLG does not make a profit off of its business. It barely breaks even. It does not have the money to pay for those rights, nor will it in the near future at this rate.

 

[Pierce7d]

I just found this and found it quite interesting.

Clearly the problem is not Nintendo's reluctance to give permission, rather, it is MLG's reluctance to pay for rights to the stream. That's how it works. Nintendo wants money if MLG uses their product to make a profit. That's the only reason why there is no stream.

The reason why we don't have a stream is because MLG won't pay for it because they can't pay for it. MLG does not make a profit off of its business. It barely breaks even. It does not have the money to pay for those rights, nor will it in the near future at this rate.

This post seems very largely assumption based and false. I don't know where you're getting your information from, but your source seems very unreliable, unless you're just guessing/making things up, in which case you should not present yourself to be speaking from a standpoint of confirmation

 

[iiDEMIGODz]

Clearly the problem is not Nintendo's reluctance to give permission, rather, it is MLG's reluctance to pay for rights to the stream. That's how it works. Nintendo wants money if MLG uses their product to make a profit. That's the only reason why there is no stream.

I don't think Nintendo has ever even responded to MLG, so when would they have said they wanted money?

 

[vVv Rapture]

This post seems very largely assumption based and false. I don't know where you're getting your information from, but your source seems very unreliable, unless you're just guessing/making things up, in which case you should not present yourself to be speaking from a standpoint of confirmation

Well, please, enlighten me. I can assure you that MLG does not make a huge profit off of what it does, so much so to the extent that it cannot do many of the things it tries to do, namely pay for the rights to a stream.

I can easily give you the source for it, but do I really have to? Look at what all of MLG does, which costs money, and compare it to the profits it makes off of attendance and what not. That right there should give you a clear picture.

I wouldn't say it just to say it. MLG does not make a profit off of what it does. It has invested about $35 million in its time as a business and has barely made that money back.

I don't think Nintendo has ever even responded to MLG, so when would they have said they wanted money?

And who told you they didn't? MLG? I'm sure they did. They wouldn't want to look bad in the situation.

Even if they didn't respond, that's what they would want if they did. All businesses would. No one gives away the rights to their creations for free if they are a business such as Nintendo.

EDIT: It was 35 million dollars, not 45 million dollars.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I'm fine with MLG, it's just that the ads suck.

 

[Kaila]

They make most of their revenue from ads and sponsorships. They know that events do not make money.

You should stop speaking with authority on assumed details. This situation is the same sort of situation as the Street Fighter one. Capcom just refuses to let MLG have it at their tournaments. It's a remnant from a dispute in 2005 and they just can't let go. Nintendo is just being wary, MLG is still a young company in the world of gaming, despite being one of the largest tournament companies still running. Sony and Microsoft are both okay with the streams without any funds being paid unless there are DVDs created and sold for profit. MLG is not doing any streaming to assure Nintendo that there are no plans to save that footage and sell it without their permission. They are trying to foster a strong trust with Nintendo by abiding fully to their demands in hopes to get more leniency in the future.

That has been said multiple times in this thread. Let it die already.

 

[dextasmurf]

i agree with the OP when dealing with the updates

they were slow (I was there but didnt care lol) and the facebook thing was a brillant idea but i think a chatroom whould be better and more useful.

@PIERCE: U ROCK! lol

 

[OFY]

Eh, I'll say just a few things.

First off, besides my personal vulgar methods of refereeing (which you all love, so don't give me your ****) we ran that **** professional as hell.

Secondly, I talked with some of the higher ups with MLG, and they gave me a VERY GOOD response to why they haven't done an audio stream. Considering I was the first person to suggest this, and would probably be the one selected to perform on the stream, I would hope many of you take it to heart when I say, MLG very much seems to have your best interests at heart. They are thinking in the long term, and they hear you and are NOT ignoring you.

I can also say it's reasonably possible to see an audio stream in the future if Live Stream rights are not granted.

I'm not going into any details, because I'll let an MLG rep do that. I just want you to know that despite all this bashing due to you all jumping to conclusions, etc, MLG is still looking out for you. It doesn't have anything to do with MLG being cheap, because I heavily suspect Sundance would pay for that **** out of pocket if it came to that.

You hold yourself in very high regard, even though your place low at smash. Where does this confidence come from!?!?!?!?

 

[AlphaZealot]

Rapture: more or less what Tanooki said. You are completely wrong and your information is false.

 

[fkacyan]

My personal impression of the situation:

MLG is in a position where they can't really give ongoing updates as to the situation. Why? They don't want to mire their potential negotiations with Nintendo or give their fan/user/whateverbase a promise they can't keep. If they say that they're having issues with Nintendo, the Smash community might harass Nintendo and cause issues for MLG. If they say we're likely to get the stream, both MLG and Nintendo might be harassed by the community to rush the decision, or they might turn off people if the stream ends up falling through.

PR isn't as simple as just throwing out information at random. There are a lot of people you have to keep in mind when making information public.

 

[RATED]

wow you all cry so much, geez you have tourneys every where in USA... also MLG and that's ****ing awesome and now u all dare to cry

 

[vVv Rapture]

Rapture: more or less what Tanooki said. You are completely wrong and your information is false.

My information is false? Please, to go into detail, because I'd love to know exactly what I said was false.

 

[Kaila]

My information is false? Please, to go into detail, because I'd love to know exactly what I said was false.

This:

Clearly the problem is not Nintendo's reluctance to give permission, rather, it is MLG's reluctance to pay for rights to the stream

The reason why we don't have a stream is because MLG won't pay for it because they can't pay for it.

I expressly explained to you, although you seem to prefer to ignore me, that the lack of stream is due to politics, not monetary compensation. Nintendo has survived as long as it has because it is careful about its business.

Also, Pierce already does commentary for the finals once his referee obligations are fulfilled, which is why he would be a good candidate if MLG were to establish a stream.

 

[Mister Eric]

wow you all cry so much, geez you have tourneys every where in USA... also MLG and that's ****ing awesome and now u all dare to cry

I wasn't even going to post until I saw this.
We have it so well with the smash scene in America, and we take all of it for granted.
It's silly how some of you act.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Eh, I'll say just a few things.

First off, besides my personal vulgar methods of refereeing (which you all love, so don't give me your ****) we ran that **** professional as hell.

Secondly, I talked with some of the higher ups with MLG, and they gave me a VERY GOOD response to why they haven't done an audio stream. Considering I was the first person to suggest this, and would probably be the one selected to perform on the stream, I would hope many of you take it to heart when I say, MLG very much seems to have your best interests at heart. They are thinking in the long term, and they hear you and are NOT ignoring you.

I can also say it's reasonably possible to see an audio stream in the future if Live Stream rights are not granted.

I'm not going into any details, because I'll let an MLG rep do that. I just want you to know that despite all this bashing due to you all jumping to conclusions, etc, MLG is still looking out for you. It doesn't have anything to do with MLG being cheap, because I heavily suspect Sundance would pay for that **** out of pocket if it came to that.

I don't want to see that stage list and hear some BS about MLG listening to the people next try though pierce keep on spinning it mah dood.

 

[vVv Rapture]

This:

I expressly explained to you, although you seem to prefer to ignore me, that the lack of stream is due to politics, not monetary compensation. Nintendo has survived as long as it has because it is careful about its business.

Also, Pierce already does commentary for the finals once his referee obligations are fulfilled, which is why he would be a good candidate if MLG were to establish a stream.

No, no, my apologies. I just never responded as I was doing other things, then responded to AZ's post since it perked my interest.

Anyways, I do see what you mean, but still, a problem is that we don't know all of the details. We may think we do, many are sure that they do, but we don't, namely because Nintendo has kept quiet. If we had their side of the story, not just them not saying anything, then it would be easier to process.

 

[ADHD]

I don't want to see that stage list and hear some BS about MLG listening to the people next try though pierce keep on spinning it mah dood.

It's not his fault OS and AZ were placed with power.

 

[omegawhitemage]

It's not his fault OS and AZ were placed with power.

Umm, OS has no control over anything but content. Get your facts straight.

 

[metaivan]

noob question

why they cant record the match now and in the melee days they can ??

 

[-Ran]

As a business grows, they begin to gain awareness of the legal ramifications of what they are doing. Rather than rely on Fair Use laws, they instead immediately assume that they would be told 'no' to using something. Eventually a company grows large enough to the point where they realize that they should abuse Fair Use, and should do anything they want until they are told that they can't.

 

[vVv Rapture]

noob question

why they cant record the match now and in the melee days they can ??

Back then, MLG was much smaller, so Nintendo basically didn't give a ****.

Now, MLG is a tad bigger and Nintendo doesn't want them getting off scot-free for using their product to make money.

 

[Kaila]

Ran, you're just being salty. I hate using that terminology, but that is exactly what you are.

They have very competent lawyers and marketers in the office, MLG is *gasp* being a business and doing what is best for them while trying to provide Smashers as much as they can. You've been told the situation, stop filling in your own reasoning until you get some facts for your claims.

 

[-Ran]

Is a horrible Facebook chat the 'best' they can do?
Is the lack of audio/visual feed of competitors [not even matches] the best they can do? N
Are the deplorable amount of updates the best they can do?

Big woop, they can't get us an actual stream of the matches. That's fine, but that doesn't mean they cannot accommodate our community in other ways. It seems that everyone is hung up on the Stream aspect, and aren't even considering the other points that I brought up.

 

[Kaila]

Is a horrible Facebook chat the 'best' they can do?
Is the lack of audio/visual feed of competitors [not even matches] the best they can do? N
Are the deplorable amount of updates the best they can do?

Big woop, they can't get us an actual stream of the matches. That's fine, but that doesn't mean they cannot accommodate our community in other ways. It seems that everyone is hung up on the Stream aspect, and aren't even considering the other points that I brought up.

I focused on it because you were complaining about it, again, in your last point. You can't complain about people focusing on it, when you even mentioned it again in this post.

I'm pretty sure everyone has agreed the Facebook thing is awful.

 

[-Ran]

I was explaining a fact about business in my last post. As a business matures and thus grows, their level of trepidation drops considerably. This is of course, after one moment in their life where they are hyper-allergic to anything that could possibly backfire.

 

[metaivan]

Back then, MLG was much smaller, so Nintendo basically didn't give a ****.

Now, MLG is a tad bigger and Nintendo doesn't want them getting off scot-free for using their product to make money.

that sucks man

 

[Limeee]

MLG is such a fail, in terms of smash.

poor krystedez