Dark.Pch Vs. Falco boards.

[Dark.Pch]

Ok so I hear lots of Falcos think Falco beats Peach. Even from Peach players. I finally would like to break the ice on my terms and set you straight on why this match up is even. This match up seriously needs to be discussed.

This thread there will be no trolling or fighting. Not even from me, first person i catch doing that I will report without warning, we are gonna kepp this clean. I also ask that all Peach players stay out of this thread.

Now I won't be back for a few hours, maybe around 9-10 PM. So to start this off, Falcos post your experience and why you think Peach loses to falco. And I will reply to all of them (unless it is some simple useless comment like " Falco has lasers, thats all we need lololol")

Also to start this off my opinion on the match up. Peach vs falco is even.

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[iLL]

well im no good at this game by far compared to just about everyone on this forum, most likely but i would say that his ability to reflect peach's turnips and his sick grab combos contribute. )i dont play peach that often so i duno if peach can chaingrab or not lol) but i do suppose peach's toad reflector is pretty strong and falco's has alot of punishable lag time.

then again i fail at smash >.<"

 

[Yumewomiteru]

well im no good at this game by far compared to just about everyone on this forum, most likely but i would say that his ability to reflect peach's turnips and his sick grab combos contribute. )i dont play peach that often so i duno if peach can chaingrab or not lol) but i do suppose peach's toad reflector is pretty strong and falco's has alot of punishable lag time.

then again i fail at smash >.<"

lolwut? if you think reflectors are a central part of the game you still have alot to learn.

 

[iLL]

im a HUGE newbie and i dont disagree with that statement ^.^. but they can be an off chance useful tool.

 

[aznfreak13]

I do not enjoy any of Peach's slaps and her bun of steel... Those are the attacks I avoid but I have never played against a Peach user before so I have no experience.

 

[Denzi]

Well I main Falco and second Peach. I've played against (and lost to) some good Peaches, and I've played good Falcos with Peach. I have to say I think Peach loses to Falco. Lasers are just too fast (being lagless and all) and they completely shut down peach's float game. I also haven't seen turnips as very effective (aside from interrupting Phantasm) because Falco simply outranges them in addition to having a reflector. If Peach can force Falco to use Firebird it's pretty much a guaranteed kill, but that's a lot harder than it seems, especially with our new development in the recovery area (see last few pages of Q&A thread). In addition to being outranged, Peach only has a few reliable kill methods. Fair is a lot less practical because of lasers, and Falco won't often be in a position where he could be hit by something like Usmash. On top of that, peach is a rather floaty character with a slower than average airdodge, which makes her more susceptable to Falco's Uair shenanigans (if you airdodge Falco's up air, he can hit with any other aerial guaranteed). Falco also has better grab game (despite the fact that we can't really chaingrab you).

So basically, Falco wins in terms of longevity, range, and kill power, while Peach only excels in gimping.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of those points.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Falco beats Peach at least 6/4. Falco can cover most if not all of Peaches approach options with only few moves and Peach can't force Falco to approach. She has to bait the right moves and hope for poor spacing at the same time which is already ridiculously hard against the character with the best projectile in the game. Peach simply has no solid approach against Falco in any situation. Falco's Jab and Ftilt beat everything Peach can do on the ground without being punishable. If Peach floats towards Falco then Laser, Utilt and SHNair make short work of everything that comes.

Though I honsetly don't think you can be convinced - this isn't a troll attempt. I just don't think it'll change your mind.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Lasers are just too fast (being lagless and all) and they completely shut down peach's float game.

Lasers shut down any float attempts that are horizontal to him. She can still float above lasers with a FH. This in itself provides a proficent approach to Falco that is different than simply trying to approach on the ground. So, float is not completely shut down. I know, there are a variety of things Falco can do to counteract this method of floating, but they are not nearly as effective as the options he has on the ground.

I also haven't seen turnips as very effective (aside from interrupting Phantasm) because Falco simply outranges them in addition to having a reflector.

Yeah... For the most part I would say that Peach's Turnips are not all that helpful for most of the match where Falco can respond well. When he cannot (such as being edgeguarded) I say turnips are extremely useful.

If Peach can force Falco to use Firebird it's pretty much a guaranteed kill, but that's a lot harder than it seems, especially with our new development in the recovery area (see last few pages of Q&A thread).

Pretty much the truth against anyone xD

In addition to being outranged, Peach only has a few reliable kill methods. Fair is a lot less practical because of lasers, and Falco won't often be in a position where he could be hit by something like Usmash.

Neither can Falco kill well. It sort of cancels out a bit in the end. With proficent DI and caution neither should be really dying at ideal KO percents. Overall, I want to say that Peach actually might have the easier time getting KOs when she is edgeguarding Falco. Either trying to force a kill in any condition but edgeguarding is not very likely to work.

On top of that, peach is a rather floaty character with a slower than average airdodge, which makes her more susceptable to Falco's Uair shenanigans (if you airdodge Falco's up air, he can hit with any other aerial guaranteed). Falco also has better grab game (despite the fact that we can't really chaingrab you).

Float shenanigans can more than make up for avoiding punishment in the air. Provided a float is still there. Both have enough low percent attack strings that equal each other.

So basically, Falco wins in terms of longevity, range, and kill power, while Peach only excels in gimping.

Every where that Falco excels in, Peach can match with almost a slightly different method (as I tried pointing out before).

Falco beats Peach at least 6/4. Falco can cover most if not all of Peaches approach options with only few moves and Peach can't force Falco to approach. She has to bait the right moves and hope for poor spacing at the same time which is already ridiculously hard against the character with the best projectile in the game. Peach simply has no solid approach against Falco in any situation. Falco's Jab and Ftilt beat everything Peach can do on the ground without being punishable. If Peach floats towards Falco then Laser, Utilt and SHNair make short work of everything that comes.

What you are saying and what I think of translate into this. Falco plays the match-up in a defensive manner which causes Peach to go on the offence. But all of Falco's defensive play does not really stack-up very quickly. To avoid punishment means you have to play with a lot of pokes and retreats. This method is really slow though. All it will take is for an offensive peach to get in there once and cause enough damage to make up for all the stuff you have been doing before hand.

At low percents you have a lot of attacks that string into each other extremely well. Once you start getting into mid-high percents Peach's attacks start causing enough knockback to change the flow of the match into Peach's favor.

Also to start this off my opinion on the match up. Peach vs falco is even.

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I am not convinced of anything as of yet. But, I am leaning to something around even. I have yet to see a lot of facts that really point out for sure Peach cannot respond at all in a given situation.

 

[Notra]

i am ranked 8th in MI, and i beat the best peach in the Midwest and my friend who plays Peach. Unless the falco messes up alot there is no way for peach to touch him. and since peaches play style leaves a lot of holes. killing isnt that hard either.

this is a match from when i started getting better at brawl. im bad in this video still learning falco, but even then u can see what i mean. if i play him in tourney again ill upload it and show how much better falco can do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjfnTW1Klhs

 

[Kewkky]

Xeylode, Dark.Pch asked all peach mainers to stay out of the discussion. : |


I wanna see how Dark.Pch does. If he convinces all the Falco mainer, I have no idea how I will reward him for his hard work well done... Prolly $1.00 at Pound or something, I dunno.

 

[Yumewomiteru]

I'm convinced its even.

 

[Kewkky]

I'm convinced its even.

Dark.Pch hasn't said anything and you already believe it's even? o_o

Uhh... Weren't you a Snake player? Or are you a Falco mainer too?

 

[Yumewomiteru]

Dark.Pch hasn't said anything and you already believe it's even? o_o

Uhh... Weren't you a Snake player? Or are you a Falco mainer too?

I mostly play Falco at tourneys so yeah I main Falco.

 

[swordsaint]

I'd put it at around 55-45 Falco myself. Even enough, but not even exactly.

People here tend to agree, Falco's lasers shut down any useful approaches. If she has to float above the lasers then that means what? PREDICTABLE. She has one of the WORST airdodges in the game, and a central part of Falco's game is punishing that in every match-up.

Up-smash OoS, or OoS Phantasm can pretty much punish anything Peach puts on shield.

Our Bair can be kept pretty fresh in this MU for kills by using the NAIR, UAIR and DAIR for damage here.

You may have a CG, but good luck getting one from zero when we're shutting down your ground game.

We still have grab combos. Maybe not as effective as a CG but Falco prides himself on getting some momentum.

Jab and Ftilt are both quick and reasonably ranged attacks that do some good damage.

Floating off-stage for a punish before we recover is TELEGRAPHED. And if you do that you're giving Falco room to recover IMO. As long as there isn't someone grabbing the edge, Falco has one of the best recoveries.

If we recover wrong you will kill us sure. That's the same as ANY match-up, so inb4sayingwegimpyou.

While it's still not smart to use reflector, I honestly believe it can be useful in this MU. It's got some great range, and if we're limiting your approach options, a fullhop reflector can be quite the mixup. Now before you say anything like "we can punish you on landing". No, you can't. If that possibility is there, we won't take it. Phantasm cancelling away from you is both low lag and puts quite the distance between us as long as we keep it as a mix up, and as long as we're not predictable with the phantasm as well.

I don't see Falco putting himself in to many positions to get Upsmashed for a kill???? You tell me, you're the Peach, and clearly that's why you're here.

Fair is one of your best kills moves, but afaik it's also one of your damage rackers, that's what I see a lot anyway. Fsmash isn't the strongest of moves, Dsmash is useless. Nair and Bair can both kill but they're a cut below your other kill moves.

Now I don't many ANY offense by this next part, believe me, I just want to know. Are you really here to just convince us? Or is there some sort of bruised ego involved? I promise you no aggression here, I have quite the ego myself as well as a few small anger problems. Though I just wanted to make sure you're here for the right reasons.

 

[M@v]

Falco doesn't really get any thing super special up close, but his bair beats pretty much anything peach can dish out with the exception of uptilt, that thing's priority is ****. It comes back to the camping aspect. Falco can camp Peach like a maniac without much fear.

 

[KevinM]

Ohh **** tell em Dark Pch.

*waits to close thread due to blatant stupidity.*

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Even, or slightly falcos favor.

Peach deals so much pain once she gets in

 

[MetalMusicMan]

Ok so I hear lots of Falcos think Falco beats Peach. Even from Peach players. I finally would like to break the ice on my terms and set you straight on why this match up is even. This match up seriously needs to be discussed.

This thread there will be no trolling or fighting. Not even from me, first person i catch doing that I will report without warning, we are gonna kepp this clean. I also ask that all Peach players stay out of this thread.

Now I won't be back for a few hours, maybe around 9-10 PM. So to start this off, Falcos post your experience and why you think Peach loses to falco. And I will reply to all of them (unless it is some simple useless comment like " Falco has lasers, thats all we need lololol")

Also to start this off my opinion on the match up. Peach vs falco is even.

Begin.

I agree that this is an even matchup. It's no more than 55/45 Falco. I think it's pretty much 50/50.

 

[BleachigoZX]

I stand on anything Dark Pch. says.

The guy is too smart with his character and really knows this match-up.

I haven't played him since the summer, which is a shame because I saw him last saturday. But I'm willing to bet he and I will go even for the entire set.

Srsly, DarkPch is legit.

 

[swordsaint]

and how about against DEHF and SK92?

 

[clowsui]

i've played king beef in tournament

i started out a stock at 94% and by pressing B, spotdodge, roll, jab, nair, phantasm, dash attack and grab i was able to bring it back about 180% before I died from pressing jump instead of spotdodge to dodge a king beef fair

this matchup is highly stage dependent, but falco clearly wins on most stages. peach is not like marth with a high horizontal air and ground speed, so she has a hard time punishing phantasm unless she has a turnip. if falco plays SUPREMELY GAY like i did for 2 minutes against KB this is so hard for peach because she has a hard time baiting falco due to the fact that her aerial + float game is strongly limited by lasers and her ground game is not as good as her aerial game. you can tell peach to float over lasers and **** but falco can still run away lol. an evasive falco is SUPER hard to stop especially if, as soon as you get even anywhere NEAR the edge of their "neutral" or "advantaged" zone they run away

 

[BleachigoZX]

I knew someone would say that XD

I have confidence that DarkPch will do something snazzy.

I honestly think Falco wins by like 1 though. I believe this MU boils down to skill and character control.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

Ohh **** tell em Dark Pch.

*waits to close thread due to blatant stupidity.*

C'mon sir. Don't be a party pooper this is some funny stuff. 5:5, and I am only saying that to make Dark.Pch feel better...

Peach can bring some hurt on Falco w/ combos and some of her grab game, but she won't get the kill until she already behind a stock (mostly). Camping to mad legit in the this matchup for Falco and if your not playing on YI, Battlefield or Delfino in match1, Game Over Peach.

 

[Yumewomiteru]

I also believe in Dark Peach, if he says that it's even, he has really good reasons for saying it's even.

Therefore I will gladly wait in anticipation for his proposal on Falco vs. Peach.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Ok, I waited long. 2 pages should be good enough. And I wanted to see what Sk92 and DEHF would say. But I am gonna assume they would say the same as most of you boys. The most I keep hearing is the lasers against Peach from you boys. Ok, time to get to work.

Well I main Falco and second Peach. I've played against (and lost to) some good Peaches, and I've played good Falcos with Peach. I have to say I think Peach loses to Falco. Lasers are just too fast (being lagless and all) and they completely shut down peach's float game. I also haven't seen turnips as very effective (aside from interrupting Phantasm) because Falco simply outranges them in addition to having a reflector. If Peach can force Falco to use Firebird it's pretty much a guaranteed kill, but that's a lot harder than it seems, especially with our new development in the recovery area (see last few pages of Q&A thread). In addition to being outranged, Peach only has a few reliable kill methods. Fair is a lot less practical because of lasers, and Falco won't often be in a position where he could be hit by something like Usmash. On top of that, peach is a rather floaty character with a slower than average airdodge, which makes her more susceptable to Falco's Uair shenanigans (if you airdodge Falco's up air, he can hit with any other aerial guaranteed). Falco also has better grab game (despite the fact that we can't really chaingrab you).

So basically, Falco wins in terms of longevity, range, and kill power, while Peach only excels in gimping.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of those points.

His lasers are really that big of a deal. Peachs love to float alot and that is not good. Peach is suppose to get a falco from the ground. When Falco is camping, Peach is suppose to move in with the shield. Then when she gets to a certain distance, peach is suppose to stay but and let falco react. cause he could side be or try other means to hit you. Or even go in to attack you. Peach can get close to falco without taking any damage.

IfIf I go near you and you still wanna shoot lasers, i can dash attack under the air shot laser and hit you. you are left open and nothing you can do about it. it is a free hit for me. Not if you wanna F-B through me, I can time a Float cancel Nair on the ground (or any height I think you would go) and hit you out of it. Now if you fear this and go over me with a F-B, I can keep up with you. And if you do it and wanna shoot lasers while I come at you, I dash atack for evasion and hit you. You camping leaves you open when close. And since falcos dont want that, when I get near them, they have to stop. or free hit for me. And as I said befre, I can get near you without having to take damage at all. You can shoot and F-B all you want, I seriously can get to you without a scratch on me.

If falco is camping, Peach is not even suppose to thing about turnips. free hits for him, and while getting close, if Peach goes for a typical to Fair set up, D-B says hi.

Falco is not a Good killer, the best Kill move he has is a Fsmash. Which is not even that simple to land. Upsmash takes second and only landing that if the Peach loves the air Or laser set ups to up smash while she is floating/in the air. This is why I develop a ground game on Falco. What does it do? I can get to you with out taking damage or lil of it from you laser.

Bair is is only good when Peach is in the air and off stage for kills. That move is not gonna send me backing early. I usually live to 170-200 on falcos. they get all the damage they want but can't kill me well.

Peach Can edguard Falco well. Depending on how Fair he is sent flying, I can force Falco to recover in a way he has no choice but to. Up-B is asking for a Fair or a toad. So best option is F-B. I learned a way that I can set my hit boxes to cover both the lede and stage if you was to try to get on one of them. if you wanted to F-B high in the air, I can throw tunips up there and then procees to guard the legde. But of course F-B that high can lead to a nasty kill on you. So You have to Fair to the stage or ledge and I can just ground Float to Nair over and over till you die. if I see you trying to F-B a lil uver my head, my big Uptilt is gonna have a talk with you.

Falco beats Peach at least 6/4. Falco can cover most if not all of Peaches approach options with only few moves and Peach can't force Falco to approach. She has to bait the right moves and hope for poor spacing at the same time which is already ridiculously hard against the character with the best projectile in the game. Peach simply has no solid approach against Falco in any situation. Falco's Jab and Ftilt beat everything Peach can do on the ground without being punishable. If Peach floats towards Falco then Laser, Utilt and SHNair make short work of everything that comes.

Though I honsetly don't think you can be convinced - this isn't a troll attempt. I just don't think it'll change your mind.

Lasers don't do anything to me if I approach from the ground. Like any projectile Vs Peach, I am not even suppose to be floating to you. picture that, the heck and I gonna do with a whole buunch of stuff comming at me. I can't air dodge while I am floating. and I am easy to hit. Plus I move slow when floating. The ground isa what I am suppose to do to get close to falco. And I can take lil to no damage getting at falco with his lasers. The point is to get close to him, then he as to stop with the lasers or east a dash attack and get pushed off staged. Now if he wants to come to me with lasers, even better.

Utilt works well. But I can Dance on his shield and move away to wave a uptilt and then hit Falco if he wants to attack me out of shield. Even his Nair. But my spacing has to be on point. If not, yea Falco can do all that stuff and punish Peach. This is why I like to short hop my moves on Falco and space them. Yes, even her Dair. Done right, Falco can't just me thanks to jabs.

I'd put it at around 55-45 Falco myself. Even enough, but not even exactly.

People here tend to agree, Falco's lasers shut down any useful approaches. If she has to float above the lasers then that means what? PREDICTABLE. She has one of the WORST airdodges in the game, and a central part of Falco's game is punishing that in every match-up.

Peach does NOT need to float to get to falco AT all. She should not be doing it in the first place. it's a stupid move. And with a ground game, Falco won't be abuse Peach with air dodges........cause she won't be in the air much to begin with in these cases.

Up-smash OoS, or OoS Phantasm can pretty much punish anything Peach puts on shield.

Upsmash out of shield. I can dance in your shield from the front of behind you and ether Dsmash/ Jab or reverse Jab if I land behind you and you wont get a Fsmash like that.

If I am behind you:

Dair>Bair>Dsmash/Ftilt/Reverse jab/Reverse Gab (quick reflexes to pull this off. Thank god I love to buffer)

If I am in front of you:

Dair>Fair>Dtilt/Jab/Ftilt/Nair

if I space all this, not happing with that Fsmash.

F-B out the shield is not a Smart move. I love to play techical. I would just space a air attack then instantly Ground Float to Nair (spaced) while in your face and you are getting hit. Or jab you. One of the better pressure games that loves you in your shield that you have no choice but to roll away. I do this correctly you are not landing a hit on me. While I am in your faced.

Our Bair can be kept pretty fresh in this MU for kills by using the NAIR, UAIR and DAIR for damage here.

Even when fresh I am not doing well of that move onless I am in the air and off stage.

You may have a CG, but good luck getting one from zero when we're shutting down your ground game.

You can't shut down my ground game since it is not hard to get near you. So yea, chain grabs are still there.

We still have grab combos. Maybe not as effective as a CG but Falco prides himself on getting some momentum.

ok

Jab and Ftilt are both quick and reasonably ranged attacks that do some good damage.

If I dont space well enough you win. if I do, I win.

Floating off-stage for a punish before we recover is TELEGRAPHED. And if you do that you're giving Falco room to recover IMO. As long as there isn't someone grabbing the edge, Falco has one of the best recoveries.

your recovery on me is telegraohed. I can force you where to recover just from my Ground floating air attacks and lauching turnips above or out the stage as you get sent flying. You can not recover safe against Peach. When off the stage, I can have the control of where you go, not you. And you the one trying to make it back for that matter

If we recover wrong you will kill us sure. That's the same as ANY match-up, so inb4sayingwegimpyou.

I don't need to gimp you. nor way I gonna bring it up. On falco I really don't need to.

While it's still not smart to use reflector, I honestly believe it can be useful in this MU. It's got some great range, and if we're limiting your approach options, a fullhop reflector can be quite the mixup. Now before you say anything like "we can punish you on landing". No, you can't. If that possibility is there, we won't take it. Phantasm cancelling away from you is both low lag and puts quite the distance between us as long as we keep it as a mix up, and as long as we're not predictable with the phantasm as well.

full hop reflecter, dash attack is taking care of that if I am in range and you gonna sit here thinking I seriously need an air game. Not many people tend to understand that Peach has a good ground game. It's just too many peach players love being in the air so much. So of course this would be expected. I have both a slolid aor and ground game. I can space on the graound as well as the air. And For the F-B, I explained this one already.

I don't see Falco putting himself in to many positions to get Upsmashed for a kill???? You tell me, you're the Peach, and clearly that's why you're here.

I have a good platform game. Any stage with platforms you play Peach on, you are at rick of getting hit with a Upsmash. It's not something to depend on, but don't sit here and thing you won't eat one from Peach.my platforms dude. I turned battlefield into my counterpick cause of this. And not just on falco, any character in this game. if they bann that, lylat gets the job done.

Fair is one of your best kills moves, but afaik it's also one of your damage rackers, that's what I see a lot anyway. Fsmash isn't the strongest of moves, Dsmash is useless. Nair and Bair can both kill but they're a cut below your other kill moves.

If I clap you with a tennis racket sweet spotted you are dieing early. Cause that move sents heavy characters down word a lil. And with that recover you gt, if you was to try and make it back, you gonan have a really hard time. Only way you making it back from this is if I screw up the edgeguard.

Dsmash is not useless at all. Not sure where you getting this from. And I can combo into Dsmash on Space animals well. And with my pressure game and spacing eating your shield. once that shield is small enough, you are getting shield stabbed.

Fair is not one of my Damage rackers. I have so many ways to rack on damage. Really on have/ space animal characters. And once I have you off the stage, You are in deep trouble. Youusually See Peach players abusing Fair alot and thats why you think it is one of her damage rackers. Thus would be stall. It's not like that with me dude. I can save my kill moves. Even you you are camping like there is no 2morrow. My Fair will be fresh on you. And all I need to do is get you off the stage at 50~60%+

With edguarding you with grounded air attacks, I can mix up both Nair and Bair, so they won't be stale so much keeping you out and you die sooner.

Now I don't many ANY offense by this next part, believe me, I just want to know. Are you really here to just convince us? Or is there some sort of bruised ego involved? I promise you no aggression here, I have quite the ego myself as well as a few small anger problems. Though I just wanted to make sure you're here for the right reasons.

I'm doing this to Teach both Falo and Peach players about this match up seriously. Cause I keep hearing the same reasons I deal with against these good falcos I play in my region. With his lasers it is common sense As it stands now, only a few realize this. if I really wanted too, I could not even come here and have you boys thinking like this. Then when I come in and hit you by suprise, you gonna wonder how this is even possible. peach players can't handle lasers, and why Falco gets away with alot of stuff with them. And then both sides thinking Falco wins. This is a lesson to them and even for you boys. This can help you out. As well as the Peach players. I am not doing this for me. Or else I not be here.

It comes back to the camping aspect. Falco can camp Peach like a maniac without much fear.

That is false dude. Read above. And to be honest. I am more afraid and have a harder time against Falco when he is fighting me up close. he has a good uplcose game and can do damage to Peach. But then they all wanna camp and Peach can't seem to deal with it, it comes down to people saying what you just did.

and how about against DEHF and SK92?

I'll play them and make my statement stand out more no problem. if they wanna camp me 24/7, They are not getting away with this. I father fight caping falcos then one that takes me on up close.

i've played king beef in tournament

i started out a stock at 94% and by pressing B, spotdodge, roll, jab, nair, phantasm, dash attack and grab i was able to bring it back about 180% before I died from pressing jump instead of spotdodge to dodge a king beef fair

this matchup is highly stage dependent, but falco clearly wins on most stages. peach is not like marth with a high horizontal air and ground speed, so she has a hard time punishing phantasm unless she has a turnip. if falco plays SUPREMELY GAY like i did for 2 minutes against KB this is so hard for peach because she has a hard time baiting falco due to the fact that her aerial + float game is strongly limited by lasers and her ground game is not as good as her aerial game. you can tell peach to float over lasers and **** but falco can still run away lol. an evasive falco is SUPER hard to stop especially if, as soon as you get even anywhere NEAR the edge of their "neutral" or "advantaged" zone they run away

From what you told me just nopw about KB, that is not good, and it is stuff I explained in the other post above. Better yet, my post above can take care of this one.

And Falco can't run away from me dude. Orion tried this on me with Falco. Camp and run. He got 2 stocked by me for it. Also, talk to Minus who has a pretty good Falco. He camped me and did all this stuff at SNES in bracket. I ened up winning the set.

Also KiD. I played him on saturday. we were going baclk and fourth but I won most of the games. And his Falco is beast. And he gets good Peach pratice from me and this other good Peach player from Jersey. He would tell you all this that I am saying now. I am VERY patient in this match up and Camping me with lazers dont annoy me at all. And I have my cool from start to finish. This is what I am trying to teach other peach players.

Bleachigo, another Beast with Falco. We played in tourny and it was a close game. he could have won and was doing some sick **** in the set. But I was also playing smart and just dealing with Falcos lasers just fine. close game but I took it.

So with all of this. Peach Vs Falco is even. I just now have to play these WC falcos now.

 

[Turbo Ether]

Nice. Hopefully we get to see Dark.Pch vs west coast Falcos at Pound4.

 

[swordsaint]

Yes. I understand Dark Peach perfectly, BUT, I still think Peach has to try harder. I never said it wasn't 50/50, as generally anything between 45-55 to 55-45 is considered "even".

Anyway, I can't wait to hear how you go at Pound4 Dark Peach.

If you're the top of the Peaches vs the top of the Falcos.

But just FTR, if camping doesn't work, any smart Falco...no, PLAYER will stop and give some solid pressure a go.

 

[Dark.Pch]

But just FTR, if camping doesn't work, any smart Falco...no, PLAYER will stop and give some solid pressure a go.

This Can be said for the Peach player as well *wink*

 

[swordsaint]

You said yourself it's harder though!

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

**** son Super Theorycraft Bros!

Strange mu as peach can deal some pain but falco is more of a overall solid damage racker, in terms of killing falco has the advantage tho which breaks the mu in his advantage, if only slightly.

 

[LanceStern]

EDIT: Oh I'm not supposed to be here

 

[Mikey Lenetia]

i am ranked 8th in MI, and i beat the best peach in the Midwest and my friend who plays Peach. Unless the falco messes up alot there is no way for peach to touch him. and since peaches play style leaves a lot of holes. killing isnt that hard either.

this is a match from when i started getting better at brawl. im bad in this video still learning falco, but even then u can see what i mean. if i play him in tourney again ill upload it and show how much better falco can do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjfnTW1Klhs

That'll be interesting, that's for sure. Also, I should mention that in said video, I'm not playing at my best, and suffer from a lack of Falco experience these days.

Which reminds me. Don't let me forget to get some matches in against you, Notra, for more experience. I'd appreciate that.

 

[Vlade]

I've actually always thought it was even, both times we've discussed the Peach matchup I've gone with 50:50 or slightly in falco's favour

I'm going to be quite brief here because everyone's already brought up the main points anyway

Peach:
- Aerial Priority
- Chaingrab
- Gimping
- Decent approach options

Falco:
- Damage racking ability
- Solid Anti-approach options
- Gets gimped
- Kills better than Peach

The above aspects of both characters are what make this an evenish matchup.

 

[Dark.Pch]

You said yourself it's harder though!

What are you talking about.

**** son Super Theorycraft Bros!

Strange mu as peach can deal some pain but falco is more of a overall solid damage racker, in terms of killing falco has the advantage tho which breaks the mu in his advantage, if only slightly.

You tend to forget that I can rack up damage as well, and faster than you can. Also Falco really only has 2 solid kill moves. Fsmash is his best one on me and that move isa not something you can land easy. And then it's his upsmash. And that move does not kill all that well with good DI. The rest need me to me on the air to kill well or off stage.

And if I really wanted to take it to the next level of kills, I have lots of options top get back on stage well. you don't and when Peach edgeguards Falco well, you are gonna be taking a lot of damage or just won't come back.

I've actually always thought it was even, both times we've discussed the Peach matchup I've gone with 50:50 or slightly in falco's favour

I'm going to be quite brief here because everyone's already brought up the main points anyway

Peach:
- Aerial Priority
- Chaingrab
- Gimping
- Decent approach options

Falco:
- Damage racking ability
- Solid Anti-approach options
- Gets gimped
- Kills better than Peach

The above aspects of both characters are what make this an evenish matchup.

Add to the Peach list "Damage racking ability" as well. But yes, you are correct

 

[6Mizu]

This is a good thread. I'll know what the MU is as soon as i play against my friend who
recently picked up peach.

Btw, hi guys, i'm new to the falco boards. I've decided to
falco. and so far it's looking good. I'm planing to play falco as my secondary.

 

[stingers]

Mizu stop playing everyone
(I play Falco too)

 

[Denzi]

Also Falco really only has 2 solid kill moves. Fsmash is his best one on me and that move is not something you can land easy. And then it's his upsmash. And that move does not kill all that well with good DI. The rest need me to be in the air to kill well or off stage.

^Everyone underestimates the kill potential of Uair. I said before that with Peach being as floaty as she is (and having the airdodge she does), Uair is a good kill move/kill setup, because if Uair misses then we get another aerial guaranteed.

I would like to point out that I just spent the last couple hours playing my Falco-maining friend, and I have to say I think it's 50:50 or 55:45 Falco. Funny how opinions change. The thing that really seemed to swing it in my favor was the fact that I just got him to kill %'s faster than he could. Also it's a lot easier to hit a recovering Falco than I initially thought.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

As soon as people learn not to airdodge uair it's crap again.
**** range and no disjoint, but if it's airdodged it's a free dair/bair.

You tend to forget that I can rack up damage as well, and faster than you can. Also Falco really only has 2 solid kill moves. Fsmash is his best one on me and that move isa not something you can land easy. And then it's his upsmash. And that move does not kill all that well with good DI. The rest need me to me on the air to kill well or off stage.

And if I really wanted to take it to the next level of kills, I have lots of options top get back on stage well. you don't and when Peach edgeguards Falco well, you are gonna be taking a lot of damage or just won't come back.

Like I said, you rack up damage in spikes, I rack up damage over time.
Our best kill move is by far bair, especially combined with out vertical acceleration.
Usmash can hardly be DI'd btw. It's Fsmash that's not so strong when DI'd.

And olol play a good falco who knows how to use his recovery. Not every Falco jumps like a moron while peach is floating to predict his jump.
His jump is top tier and his best recovery, to bad most falcos are morons with it.

 

[Dark.Pch]

As soon as people learn not to airdodge uair it's crap again.
**** range and no disjoint, but if it's airdodged it's a free dair/bair.


Like I said, you rack up damage in spikes, I rack up damage over time.
Our best kill move is by far bair, especially combined with out vertical acceleration.
Usmash can hardly be DI'd btw. It's Fsmash that's not so strong when DI'd.

And olol play a good falco who knows how to use his recovery. Not every Falco jumps like a moron while peach is floating to predict his jump.
His jump is top tier and his best recovery, to bad most falcos are morons with it.

I rarely die from an Up air on Falco.

Fsmash is to hard to land on a Peach with a good ground game. The only way you pulling a good hit off is with Laser set ups if I am in the air alot. And What do you mean I rack on damage in spikes?

As I said before, I can get to Falco without taking a hit from his lasers as he is camping.

And is that right? I'm gonna let Bleachigo and KiD take care of this one for me.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I rarely die from an Up air on Falco.

Fsmash is to hard to land on a Peach with a good ground game. The only way you pulling a good hit off is with Laser set ups if I am in the air alot. And What do you mean I rack on damage in spikes?

As I said before, I can get to Falco without taking a hit from his lasers as he is camping.

And is that right? I'm gonna let Bleachigo and KiD take care of this one for me.

You shouldn't with a dair like peach's.
Fsmash sucks on peach true, that's what I said x.X

With damage in spikes I mean that while I deal damage in small bits all the time, you come in and deal pain, then you get knocked off and have to wait a while before you can give a combo. Like spikes, first it's low, then it's high, then it's low, then it's high.

I don't care if you don't get hit by lasers if you approach, I'll phantasm you and let you retry all over 'till I get like a stupid grounded laser on you or summit.