Confirmed Character Discussion (Part 2)

[imareject]

not to double post but i caught myself talkin from my ***, ex: marth & roy dont have their own level.

either way its still a trend worth noting, but this is Confirmed character discussion

 

[roy_owns]

Not really this more of a stage discussion

 

[Masque]

Marth and Roy confirm the trend, however.

Level = character
Character =/= level

 

[roy_owns]

Exactly! thats what I'm getting at

 

[Fawriel]

You can't really use two instances of something to show a real "trend"...
Brawl is a different game.
You might as well assume that Krystal for example won't be added because neither game before had a furry girl in it. And Metaknight couldn't be in due to the trend of Kirby being the sole rep of his series. =/

 

[PIMPSLAP]

not to double post but i caught myself talkin from my ***, ex: marth & roy dont have their own level.

either way its still a trend worth noting, but this is Confirmed character discussion

so in that case the power rangers could be confirmed... they don't have a stage... so yeah that would work

 

[Masque]

You can't really use two instances of something to show a real "trend"...
Brawl is a different game.
You might as well assume that Krystal for example won't be added because neither game before had a furry girl in it. And Metaknight couldn't be in due to the trend of Kirby being the sole rep of his series. =/

Tut, tut. Now you're just throwing out random conjecture. The theory of stage = character has held true for the first two games. Disregarding the Smash stages (Battlefield, FD, whatever), all of the stages had at least one character to represent its franchise. There were two Earthbound stages and at least one character to represent the series (Ness). Zelda had two stages and three characters. Even Icicle Mtn. and Flat Zone had corresponding characters (IC and G&W respectively). Classic Mode requires at least one character to match the appearing stages. If IC hadn't appeared in Melee, there wouldn't have been an Icicle Mountain. This theory is a hypothesis based on an actual trend; the "trends" that you're pointing out are created merely for the sake of contradiction.

 

[Fawriel]

I still see no reason for the trend not to change. I actually wanted to add the contradiction that no Smash game until Brawl had any items that actually unlocked a character's powers to give him a powerful move. We sure didn't see that one coming.

I don't see having only a stage as unlikely at all. It seems like a decent way to rep a franchise without including a playable character. Also, there's ATs now.
Sure, every stage had someone who belonged to it in Single-Player mode, but didn't you also see Pichu belonging to Fourside, Roy belonging to Final Destination and Marth belonging to Fountain of Dreams? Those didn't quite make a lot of sense, either.

Of course you might well be right, but it's far, far from guaranteed. I don't even know which argument is true. I just think you shouldn't assume to have the truth so quickly.

 

[Masque]

I still don't think that each of the characters will each get his or her own stage because the number of characters will probably be greater than the number of stages. Each of the franchise stages had at least one character to rep the franchise, though, not the other way around, which is why Marth and Roy were left only with the alternate music on Temple (even though Akinea or whatever was apparently in the Melee beta).

 

[Fawriel]

Wait, a greater number of characters than the number of stages? Now THAT's just unlikely. And goes against the trend. There have always been more stages... they're far easier to make, too.

 

[-PM-]

he has a point making the stages is much easyer then making the characters

 

[Masque]

Wait, a greater number of characters than the number of stages? Now THAT's just unlikely. And goes against the trend. There have always been more stages... they're far easier to make, too.

Yeah, ignore that. I think I was smoking crack or something?

 

[capt.falcon4life]

it doesnt matter, it's too late to exclude snake from the list of confirmed characters.
Falcon HAS to return. he has been in both ssbm and ssb64.
what's a smash bros. without falcon?

 

[Masque]

it doesnt matter, it's too late to exclude snake from the list of confirmed characters.
Falcon HAS to return. he has been in both ssbm and ssb64.
what's a smash bros. without falcon?

My thoughts exactly. To whom, then, would we show our moves?

 

[roy_owns]

If Samurai Goroh's in C. Falcon's in.

 

[Circus]

If Samurai Goroh's in C. Falcon's in.

That's kind of like saying "Well, if Dr. Wright's in.....someone else from that game must be playable!"

Not necessarily true.

Though I do think the Captain will return.

 

[dan smith]

That's kind of like saying "Well, if Dr. Wright's in.....someone else from that game must be playable!"

Not necessarily true.

Though I do think the Captain will return.

No, it's not like that.

It's like saying "If Metaknight's in then Kirby is in" which he is, and always has been.

If Goroh's in and Falcon's out then that's like Metaknight being in and Kirby being out. Which he's not.

The flaw in your reasoning is that nobody from Simcity has ever previously been in Smash, so your analogy fails to be relevant.

EDIT: I forgot to make my post blue.

 

[bigmoney187]

characters who i am talkin about da da DA

i heard about characters asked about on smashblogs and heres wat i think
Danny Fantom nice try
Sorahe might i heard
Ganondorf/w Swordi heard
Homer Simsonyea right
That dude from Halo gamei dont know
Pac Manhe is nintendo but also namco
Narutoall these dumb questions i be hearing
Other(wat i asked)
2p Adventure
Baby Bowser
Dk Jr.
Sephiroth(from Final Fantasy)
Diddy Kong
Ridley


Thats All Folks

 

[Circus]

No, it's not like that.

It's like saying "If Metaknight's in then Kirby is in" which he is, and always has been.

If Goroh's in and Falcon's out then that's like Metaknight being in and Kirby being out. Which he's not.

The flaw in your reasoning is that nobody from Simcity has ever previously been in Smash, so your analogy fails to be relevant.

EDIT: I forgot to make my post blue.

You can't group Metaknight and Goroh in the same category. Goroh is an AT. Meta is a playable character.

Yes, Meta being in as a playable character without Kirby would be weird because Kirby's the main character of that series.

Goroh being in as an assist trophy doesn't effect C. Falcon's odds at all. The same way the nintendog and Dr. Wright don't effect anyone's chances.

The reason people think C. Falcon will be in is, as you said, because he was in the previous games—which is a good reason. That is, as a said in my last post, why I think C. Falcon will return for Brawl.

 

[Stryks]

i heard about characters asked about on smashblogs and heres wat i think
Danny Fantom nice try
Sorahe might i heard
Ganondorf/w Swordi heard
Homer Simsonyea right
That dude from Halo gamei dont know
Pac Manhe is nintendo but also namco
Narutoall these dumb questions i be hearing
Other(wat i asked)
2p Adventure
Baby Bowser
Dk Jr.
Sephiroth(from Final Fantasy)
Diddy Kong
Ridley


Thats All Folks

What the... that made no sense, I dont even know what ur triying to say!!!

 

[Devastlian]

Wait, a greater number of characters than the number of stages? Now THAT's just unlikely. And goes against the trend. There have always been more stages... they're far easier to make, too.

...

You mean like how the original game had nine stages and twelve characters? I don't think it being true in 50% of the instances counts as "always". And SSBM had 24 original stages, 2 redone stages, and 3 past stages which, when weighted, isn't a great deal more than there were characters. Also, despite the obvious ease in making a stage compared to a character they may just want to keep it close to 1:1 again (maybe 1:1 +1 for Battlefield) for fairness or whatever.

 

[LukeFonFabre]

Still, I wonder if we are going to get a repeat of melee and have characters assigned to a stage largely unrelated to them (such as Marth and the FoD stage). Hopefully each franchise will get a stage this time.

Edit: Devastlian, you might want to update your sig, DK has returnd.

 

[Fawriel]

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You mean like how the original game had nine stages and twelve characters? I don't think it being true in 50% of the instances counts as "always". And SSBM had 24 original stages, 2 redone stages, and 3 past stages which, when weighted, isn't a great deal more than there were characters. Also, despite the obvious ease in making a stage compared to a character they may just want to keep it close to 1:1 again (maybe 1:1 +1 for Battlefield) for fairness or whatever.

I chalk that mistake up to my sleep-deprivedness.
...I wasn't sleep-deprived when I wrote it?
Soooooo?

It completely eluded me that there were a bunch of secret characters without stages in the original. I just thought "1 stage per character + 1 unlockable".
Oh well, at least there IS a trend of the stagesharacters ratio increasing.

 

[roy_owns]

I wonder which character we're getting this week...

 

[Sensai]

Fawriel, up until noon today I hadn't slept for 48 hours. How is it that us intelligent guys always end up...not asleep?

Um...I'm not sure that particularly having a stage per every character is really all that necessary. Sure, it'd be cool, but if I had to choose between a stage from the Zelda series and a FOURTH stage from Pokemon (1 being Pikachu, 2 Pichu, then Jigz, then _insert Pokemans here_), I'd choose the Zelda one.

One stage per character isn't necessary. In fact, in some cases it's just stupid.

 

[roy_owns]

You think Pichu will make it?

 

[imareject]

You can't really use two instances of something to show a real "trend"...
Brawl is a different game.
You might as well assume that Krystal for example won't be added because neither game before had a furry girl in it. And Metaknight couldn't be in due to the trend of Kirby being the sole rep of his series. =/

two instances though being two entire games = everything we have to judge from this standpoint. im not saying anything too specific like furry girls just the trend in general.

 

[imareject]

Tut, tut. Now you're just throwing out random conjecture. The theory of stage = character has held true for the first two games. Disregarding the Smash stages (Battlefield, FD, whatever), all of the stages had at least one character to represent its franchise. There were two Earthbound stages and at least one character to represent the series (Ness). Zelda had two stages and three characters. Even Icicle Mtn. and Flat Zone had corresponding characters (IC and G&W respectively). Classic Mode requires at least one character to match the appearing stages. If IC hadn't appeared in Melee, there wouldn't have been an Icicle Mountain. This theory is a hypothesis based on an actual trend; the "trends" that you're pointing out are created merely for the sake of contradiction.

lol very well put, thats wat i was tryin to say

 

[Masque]

lol very well put, thats wat i was tryin to say

Well, thank you! I try to express my ideas in a way that makes sense to at least one person besides myself.

 

[The rAt]

Sensai, the answer is roofers. Roofers are why we smart folk are not allowed to sleep. I nearly slaughtered a dozen or so of them yesterday. But they'd already accomplished their task of keeping me from sleeping, so I decided an honorable death would be too good for them.

In regards to the stages, I don't think Zelda and the Pokemon are good examples because Zelda already has a stage. The Bridge of Eldin. I mean, Zelda was in the game, too right? Who's to say the stage belongs to Link? Same could be said about the Pokemon stages. Personally, I'd like to see a bit more diversification. Since not every decent game series can be represented by a character, why not see a stage for them instead? I suspect that may be the case with AC personally, though y'never know.

roy owns, Pichu? That was out of nowhere. But no, I don't think he'll be back.

imareject, double posting is frowned upon here. And by double posting, I mean posting twice. In a row. Hence the double.

See ya'll after the update. Unless someone says something I just have to respond to.

Andy

 

[nin10do]

Looks like Samus and Zero Suit Samus share the same character slot :O

 

[typh]

****ing great.

Now if Final Smashes are turned off, we can't play ZSS in tournaments.

I'm so conflicted.

 

[Fawriel]

Now THIS is a weird update.

It doesn't necessarily mean Samus can't be chosen on her own, though... that's just... absurd. Maybe the Zero Laser is so powerful that they made "messing up" Samus' game by turning her into a different character, the downside to the Final Smash in order to balance it.
Maybe this will also automatically unlock her the first time you accomplish it.

 

[dynamic_entry]

i think this update is stupid. it implies zero suit is a less worthwhile character than regular samus. which is crap. it may well turn out that zero suit is a complete waste of a character, but that should be for us to decide IMO. it makes no sense to have the 'drawback' to samus' final smash as zero suit.

 

[The rAt]

Any speculation on if this is our character reveal of the week?

 

[Circus]

Any speculation on if this is our character reveal of the week?

I say nay.

It's not so much a "character reveal" as it a "how to access this character reveal".

YOSHI TOMORROW.

Or something...I've stopped caring.

 

[Fawriel]

Any speculation on if this is our character reveal of the week?

No.
There will be a Zamus profile, and it will say that there are other means of accessing her.
I respectfully direct you towards my signature.

 

[LukeFonFabre]

I seriously hope so Fawriel (or at least make her unlockable via using Samus' FS).

If this really is the only way that ZS Samus can be accessed, then I really think that this has been a poor move on Sakurai's behalf.

 

[Masque]

Guys, guys, guys...

Does anyone else have déjà vu? This is what many of us speculated would happen back when the E3 '06 trailer first gracefully descended from the heavens (I know I did!). In the trailer (for those still unaware), Samus fires the Zero Laser and her armor subsequently falls off. How much simpler could it be? Now, I'm not saying that I don't sympathize, nor do I say that this is the only way of accessing Zamus: Sakurai could always pull a Sheik-like "secret" select method. However, I do believe that we should not let this surprise us in the least. We have--or at least should have--known about this for over a year!

(Side note: I also don't think this really constitutes the character update for the week. We'll probably get an official Zamus profile or something for more information, if not a veteran).

 

[Gojira]

i think this update is stupid. it implies zero suit is a less worthwhile character than regular samus. which is crap. it may well turn out that zero suit is a complete waste of a character, but that should be for us to decide IMO. it makes no sense to have the 'drawback' to samus' final smash as zero suit.

wasnt it implied sheik was a lesser character and we were first told to turn into zelda for the KO's?