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Nerfing anyone at this point would be ridiculous. I hope the developers have a cooler head than that. Ike's not even the most dominate character. The meta is so infantile nerfs are completely unwarranted. Players need to develop counter play and see how the pieces fall.
I think you should go with Ike simply because you said you like him!
Hmmm i always assumed you were a Ness main
I'd like to see players back that up about Shulk being the 2nd best swordsman. I'm not saying he can't be but you'd think more people would pick him up. ZeRo at least; he liked Shulk in SSB4.
I am a Ness main, this is for a secondary since swordies are so good in this game I thought it would be nice to have one in the pocket
I agree. I do see Nicko making a scene and it's impressive. However, all I hear is "Shulk has potentials" by some players. And to be honest, I'd like to see more than just theory crafting. His end lag buff is nice but his start up is still long for the most part. He does have range and he does seemingly have versatility with his monado art. At the moment, however, monado art usage has been really predictable in my experience - speed and buster until smash at higher percentages, with shield when your about to die. But like Link, these pros may know something I don't as my only experience is elite smash mode.
I think Zackray is showing how to play the character better than anyone right now.is one of the oddest characters to judge right now in the Meta. For every great strength he has another seemingly big flaw. He has an amazing neutral game with having one of the best projectiles in the game, has really good normals and other tools. I am not sure who mentioned it here but he can almost feel like Smash 4
I'd like to see someone make some real waves with Shulk. Right now people most who play him do seem a bit predictable and it's fairly easy to just stall out the more advantageous arts if need be and wait for him to return to neutral Shulk or pick one that you can take advantage of.
I agree with Shulks using the arts very predictably. Nicko looks amazing though. However, even with Nicko Shulk, I don't see what that Shulk does anything tremendously crazy amongst the roster.
Maybe people are finally realizing that it's a ****ty argument.
I can vouch for that. I can also vouch for the fact that that's probably not the case anymore. Even vanilla, Shulk is 100% capable of putting in work.
Just want you to know that I'm holding you to this.
was overhyped a bit, but his standards weren't very high to begin with. The greatest we got of him in the past was , who many call good and lament the loss for, even thought he has been aging worse and worse and hasn't done crap for years. also got buffed from this: , a terrible character in every sense of the word, so anything that resembles a functional character will seem amazing in comparison. has many weaknesses that all relate to each other. The obvious one is that he is very slow on the ground and cannot force you to approach because he has no projectiles. If you are willing to you can camp Ganon and not let him play the game with characters like , or the other variety of not letting you play the game with rushdown. His aerial mobility is a crapshoot, and it relates to how poor his recovery is. His Up B has decent distance and Side B can cost you a stock, but at certain % he dies from stuff like FSmash because he cannot recover even with his DJ. So long as you hit him before the grab bubbles come out his recovery options are not a big threat (if they even come out). He is also combo food and he doesn't have the best frame data or projectiles to cover that weakness, and connects to his recovery.tho.
Ganon lost a few important things. His Uair is no longer a f6 super powerful attack, flame choke can be mashed out of and now always kills Ganon first. This really sucks last stock because now opponents get a free win by running into choke so you can't use it to recover; airdodge helps. Ganon's been made more strait forward as a powerhouse. You're not in control most of the game but if you land a pivot Fsmash it kills at 50%. His smashes and legs have good reach. He's not a good character but always threatening.
I've always thought Incineroar was overrated. With the grab>shield>attack> formula, good rewards off grabs is a strong asset but his mobility, recovery and poor reach bring him down. Revenge is good but still requires good timing. Incineroar is the kind of character you'd CP if you could read the opponent well. He's not good but still better than Ganon and DDD imo.
DK's probably the best heavyweight. He has the speed of a sword character, above average mobility, good reward and useful superarmor. IDK exactly where he'll end up but it's in the upper half of the cast.
May I ask what GSP you got it at? My Lucas is at 3.05m am I far?
My gsp is roughly 3m and I am pretty sure my gsp was around 3m with Ike when I got it.
(300 entrants!) with players like Megafox, Karna, and BestNess present. I know we discussed Ridley a while back, but with his advantage state being ridiculous and the results backing him up, how do you guys feel about the character now? With all the tools Ridley has and the caliber of players playing him at a high level, I can see him going from "Not too sure, need more research" in tier lists to at least high-mid tier or even high tier. Lets get some discussion of the space pirate going!
I often hear Ridley is a swordie in a superheavy body. I think he's more a spear-user that we never got with Fire Emblem. His attacks are generally more linear and require greater precision, but can out-footsie many other swords with comparable speed if used correctly.Trela just won another tournament with Ridley
I think this is going to be the case with all low tiers in this game, no character thus far seems dysfunctional enough that you don't have to respect them.
Vreyvus went for it a few times for tech chases and airdodge punishes at Valhalla II, though I only remember seeing it connect once. That said, Ridley's tail only needs to fly at someone while they're tech rolling on a platform once to put the fear of God in them.
Not very good. He has some good things going for him (one of the strongest kill throws in the game in bthrow, good frame data for a super heavy on buttons, dthrow combos, nair being a solid landing and OoS option, revenge being godly when procced) but he has weaknesses that are too much for him to be anything more than a novelty character competitively. His ground speed is the worst in game and his air speed is almost as bad relative to the rest of the cast. His lack of mobility and range means he can be camped to hell and struggles against characters who can space like swordies. He's combo food and is easy to edge guard/gimp with how bad his recovery is in combination with his air speed. He's basically got your typical super heavy weaknesses.
1 his neutral is pretty good if he can force the opponent to play his game. Bombs are good stage control and boomerang is great for walling and creating pressure. If he can space with his sword and wall he does very well. When the opponent is able to either get past his walling or outcamp Link struggles. It's kind of like Wolf's blaster except Link's CQC game is really slow. Usually small quick characters give him the most trouble. Link's approaching isn't that good so if the opponent forces him to approach Link can have a hard time.
Trela just won another tournament with Ridley
I'm talking about lack of projectiles. He still gets spaced hard by swordies
Perhaps so, but his movement significantly restricts him, giving him less of practical range compared to many other characters. He's not going to control the stage all that well with that movement.
All i can say is that, after playing Locus in friendies vs his main, Ridley... ridley isnt low tier with thay crazy advantage offstage.few other characters i've fought can drag you from the stage to the blastzone like that. That d smash is underrated too, Locus told me it covers so, so many options from a roll, get up, anything on ground. He's a heavy swordsman with good mobility and bad disadvantage. Imagine if he had a halfway decent dair? Would be terrifying.Trela just won another tournament with Ridley
Both Trela and Locus are now maining Ridley. Geez are all the previous notable Smash 4
mains jumping to the space dragon? Does Ridley have anything in commom with Ryu besides the very explosive advantage stage and the occasional ability to take stocks at super-early percents.It also two frames I believe.
I can buy this, but that's obviously an issue with mobility in the end, so saying he has bad range isn't really accurate.
