COMPETITIVE Brawl+: Code Agenda

[kupo15]

This is what I wanted clarified. If you haven't already, please fix the post to say you can use other recovery options if you're attacked out of gliding. If they only see UpB available, they may misunderstand and be reluctant to even try out the code.

sure thing. Sorry about that

 

[GHNeko]

I'm sorry but do you guys actually read? What does the bottom of my post say? Maybe I should quote it for you.....

Yea. I read it. :|

Doesnt mean I cant relay my **** thoughts. -___-

 

[kupo15]

Yea. I read it. :|

Doesnt mean I cant relay my **** thoughts. -___-

Just sounded like no one read it. I am making sure that this code doesn't get dismissed because people don't read

 

[.MaRiO]

Guys I am trying to add HAD to my codeset but every time I try to load it, it freezes at startup. I seen a post that said you have to replace some of the lines and i did that and it just does not start up.
I dont know if anyone is playing with Had still or if they have tried it out
This is the code i am putting in...
48000000 80B87C28
58010000 00000154
58010000 00000000
90010000 00000030
80000001 00000000
60000006 00000000
60000003 00000001
4A001000 00000000
4A101001 00000000
36000000 00000032
58010000 00000004
DE000000 80008180
58010000 00000060
DE000000 80008180
92210002 00000014
92210003 00000068
92210004 00000070
92210006 0000007C
92210009 00000018
58010000 00000088
92210007 00000064
92210008 00000058
48001004 00000024
92210005 0000000C
48001004 00000020
92210004 00000014
4A001004 00000000
32000018 00000000
4A001006 00000000
30000038 00000021
4A001002 00000000
36000040 41000000
4A001003 00000000
9221000A 00000038
9221000B 0000003C
4A001005 00000000
3000000C 00000000
1400000C 00000001
9421000A 00000010
9421000B 00000014
4A001004 00000000
14000014 00000000
E2000001 00000000
4A001005 00000000
9221000A 00000010
9221000B 00000014
86A0000A 40000000
86A0000B 40000000
4A001007 00000000
9421000A 00000008
4A001008 00000000
9421000B 0000000C
4A001002 00000000
34000041 41000000
36000040 42000000
4A001007 00000000
14000008 00000000
4A001008 00000000
1400000C 3E000000
34000041 41C00000
4A000000 805A0100
9221000A 00000000
4A001002 00000000
9001000B 00000040
8891000B 0000000A
34000041 42100000
4A001004 00000000
14000018 00000000
E2000005 00000000
4A000000 805A0100
9221000A 00000000
4A001004 00000000
36000014 42000000
9001000B 00000014
8891000B 0000000A
4A001006 00000000
32000038 00000021
4A001004 00000000
14000018 00000000
E2000001 00000000
34000015 41FFFFFF
4A001009 00000000
3000014C 00000000
4A001004 00000000
14000018 00000001
E2000002 00000000
80100001 00000008
62000000 00000001
E200000F 00000000
80000001 00000000
80100000 00000244
62000000 00000000
E0000000 80008000

 

[SketchHurricane]

I support nerfing the glide as outlined earlier. MK and Pit still have superior air options over most of the cast. Char could definitely use a buff in return. The speed idea is nice, but I kind of like the idea of Zard's glide being really slow, as it seems to fit him as a character. Making it a spike (possibly a very good one) could make up for the slowness, but he might end up needing the speed anyway.

Here's an idea that I had for all gliders, but could be exclusively for Zard - give him the ability to glide from the first jump. It would give him another approach option combined with a speed increase.

 

[CloneHat]

I usually never get a chance to use Charizard's glide in a match, his jumps don't get him high enough.

I support this idea, however, because if you use a glide, you get a free recovery-without-recovery, and there's a high-priority aerial to cover you. Also, MK glide>5/4/whatever jumps>Up B glide is ridiculous, it gives him a grand total of like, 300 recovery plans.

 

[kupo15]

I usually never get a chance to use Charizard's glide in a match, his jumps don't get him high enough.

I support this idea, however, because if you use a glide, you get a free recovery-without-recovery, and there's a high-priority aerial to cover you. Also, MK glide>5/4/whatever jumps>Up B glide is ridiculous, it gives him a grand total of like, 300 recovery plans.

That's exactly what I was thinking about when I thought of idea for the code. Its a free recovery.

 

[goodoldganon]

What exactly does each Action ID do to a move? I mean like how moves are considered electric, darkness, slash, laser, etc. More specifically what does Darkness do?

 

[Shell]

As far as I know it's just a visual effect.

(Also, in case you're thinking of the choke we can't find its Hitbox data and thus can't change it in any way)

 

[goodoldganon]

I was thinking of the choke, but also just in general. I wouldn't be against adding more 'darkness' to Ganon.

 

[Clever_Sleazoid]

What do you guys think of giving MK the opposite of Bowser's thick skin?

To make him a true glass cannon.

 

[Eaode]

^^ that was done in the past, but I think it was done away with, he has other more direct nerfs now

 

[CountKaiser]

In all honesty, MK seems to be being made into a comboer/gimper, like shiek.

If anyone fits the role of glass cannon, its G&W. If people were to make him lighter, he'd be a true glass cannon.

 

[Clever_Sleazoid]

^^ that was done in the past, but I think it was done away with, he has other more direct nerfs now

He never had that. He had something that would send him father from attacks, not something that gave him more % damage from attacks.

MK is still waaay too good, and if he stays the rabid comboer and gimper he is now, he HAS to be a glass cannon.

I also think his upB needs like 50% more startup time (which if you observe how little it is now, it's not doing much).

 

[Phyvo]

I support nerfing the glide as outlined earlier. MK and Pit still have superior air options over most of the cast. Char could definitely use a buff in return. The speed idea is nice, but I kind of like the idea of Zard's glide being really slow, as it seems to fit him as a character. Making it a spike (possibly a very good one) could make up for the slowness, but he might end up needing the speed anyway.

Here's an idea that I had for all gliders, but could be exclusively for Zard - give him the ability to glide from the first jump. It would give him another approach option combined with a speed increase.

For Zard's glide attack to be at all useful his glide would have to be much faster, or his hitbox much bigger. I've never seen anyone land it in a match, so it doesn't matter if it kills at 999% or 0%. It just never works.

Just buffing it so that people could indeed land it, I feel, would be enough.

It annoys me to no end. Ivysaur might be female, but Charizard and Squirtle are totally dudes.

I can almost understand calling Ivysaur female until I hear that voice actor. Fictional pokemon creature aside, that is not a female voice in the slightest.

 

[Dark Sonic]

^^It is in the japanese version so...localization errors lol.

 

[World of Darkness]

Dude, Thanks for the guide! you guys are life savers! keep up the good work!

 

[Clever_Sleazoid]

It annoys me to no end. Ivysaur might be female, but Charizard and Squirtle are totally dudes.

They're all 87.5% dudes. That's the gender ratio.

 

[Deleted member]

They all have 87.5% chance of being dudes. That's the gender ratio.

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[~tgm_Zeej]

Forgive my ignorance, but is there currently any plan to do anything about the single Climber CG?

0-50% chain grabs with little to no thought required personally annoy me, but if it's already been argued and decided upon, I'll just deal with it.

 

[Azurie]

I've been playing a bit lately and I'm really impressed. Everything keeps moving in the right direction. In my codeset before 4.0 I was running "hold L for stage freeze". I don't remember if that was part of the brawlplussery or not. Anyway, after playing the new Luigi's mansion, I think a code of that sort is needed. I know it was kind of glitchy, but more options are awesome.

I assume more stages are going to be altered in time, likely to reduce hazard damage or to get rid of them completely. I think it would be awesome if the altered stages became the defaults, and a player could hold L when selecting it to play the original Brawl version. A reversed version of the "hold L for stage freeze"!

 

[Clever_Sleazoid]

I've been playing a bit lately and I'm really impressed. Everything keeps moving in the right direction. In my codeset before 4.0 I was running "hold L for stage freeze". I don't remember if that was part of the brawlplussery or not. Anyway, after playing the new Luigi's mansion, I think a code of that sort is needed. I know it was kind of glitchy, but more options are awesome.

I assume more stages are going to be altered in time, likely to reduce hazard damage or to get rid of them completely. I think it would be awesome if the altered stages became the defaults, and a player could hold L when selecting it to play the original Brawl version. A reversed version of the "hold L for stage freeze"!

Luigi's mansion only has problems with 4 players, no? Where sometimes they spawn RIGHT in front of each other, and once I had Charizard frozen in the air until he was hit and it was fine.

Also, I would rather have a "hold R to play original stage" in effect.

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10fixes

But since they don't have a chance of being either genders each match... I'm just gonna call em 87.5% dudes XD.

 

[Revven]

Luigi's mansion only has problems with 4 players, no? Where sometimes they spawn RIGHT in front of each other, and once I had Charizard frozen in the air until he was hit and it was fine.

Also, I would rather have a "hold R to play original stage" in effect.

The problem with freezing Luigi's Mansion is that the mansion doesn't disappear when you destroy it. It's still "there" but it acts like it's not there when destroyed but the mansion is still up, it never actually doesn't go away as it still comes back. Holding L for freezing wouldn't fix all the stages so why bother using it? =\

 

[trojanpooh]

I really agree that we have to get more "fun codes" in Brawl+. Things that just make the game cooler. Add some dark effects to Ganon, Screech to Ness's Bat, anything that would add to the personalities of the characters.

 

[Cyan_Blau]

@ trojanpooh: IDK if you just knew, but @ board.GSCentral.org they already can support with the SD Textures code and can direct to some of the effect files and where you have to place them. But I guess the SD Textures don't work with the double GCT method.

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I've a few questions:

1. what exactly does the "merger" code?, Example plz!

2. Is the "short hop, dash speed, etc" code just another kind of the Jump Grav Values, or not?

3. Does the SD Textures code really don't work together with snapshot codes or double GCT?

4. I tried using SSBM Air Doge and for any reason it didn't work with the codes I added via Brawl+ 4 Beta, why?

I hope you guys won't hate me, and could plz answer my questions.


/AX)

 

[Almas]

Hey, welcome to the boards.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by the "merger" code. I wrote one a while ago that brought together the effects of many of the codes Phantom Wings wrote, but that is now obsolete.

The Launch Speed Modifier and Grav Values Modifier code are kind of like "engines" for the values code. They extract the information for each character to decide how their jumps etc. should change. All three codes are necessary to get the desired effect (taking just two of them will result in some distorted values).

I believe some people have gotten the Textures codes to work with the double GCT method.

If you used the SSBM airdodge with the double gct method, it wouldn't work because it shifted the location of some things. I believe spunit developed a workaround, you should be able to find it in the double gct thread.

 

[.MaRiO]

I tried to work around to get in the HAD airdodge and it does not work. It freezes when starting up

 

[storm92]

.Mario, post in the Hacking Support thread.
No one here really cares about HAD anymore, sorry.

 

[Cyan_Blau]

Hey, welcome to the boards.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by the "merger" code. I wrote one a while ago that brought together the effects of many of the codes Phantom Wings wrote, but that is now obsolete.

The Launch Speed Modifier and Grav Values Modifier code are kind of like "engines" for the values code. They extract the information for each character to decide how their jumps etc. should change. All three codes are necessary to get the desired effect (taking just two of them will result in some distorted values).

I believe some people have gotten the Textures codes to work with the double GCT method.

If you used the SSBM airdodge with the double gct method, it wouldn't work because it shifted the location of some things. I believe spunit developed a workaround, you should be able to find it in the double gct thread.

Ok, I still use the textures with double GCT, but The loader GCT I use wasn't that hard created, was it?

I used the one which where together with Brawl+ 4.0 BETA, on the same account.

I'll look how it works xD

But really thanks for your support ^^!

 

[jalued]

why do people keep saying that brawl+ is trying to be like melee 2.0? its not, its trying the be the best smash game possible incorporating everything that nintendo should have done to smash but were too lazy/careless to do.

 

[FrozenHobo]

i have some problems with PT and the whole pokemon switch codes. shouldn't you just leave regular PT's switch out mechanic how it is (when one dies the next automatically comes in) instead of the whole 'hold r to switch' thing? additionally, why do the single pokemon still have a working down b? i thought the point of using the single pokemon was so you could just use them and not have to switch....

 

[Shadic]

why do people keep saying that brawl+ is trying to be like melee 2.0? its not, its trying the be the best smash game possible incorporating everything that nintendo should have done to smash but were too lazy/careless to do.

Ignorance is easier than thinking. Tied into that, people are fanboys.

 

[~tgm_Zeej]

i have some problems with PT and the whole pokemon switch codes. shouldn't you just leave regular PT's switch out mechanic how it is (when one dies the next automatically comes in) instead of the whole 'hold r to switch' thing? additionally, why do the single pokemon still have a working down b? i thought the point of using the single pokemon was so you could just use them and not have to switch....

I was going to come in here and make an argument, but ^^this dude^^ already did it for me. xD

 

[cAm8ooo]

I was going to come in here and make an argument, but ^^this dude^^ already did it for me. xD

Agreed.

Keep the wild pokemon that cant switch and make PT force switch. Anything else just doesnt make sense.

 

[Almas]

Making the PT force switch raises the question why anyone would play PT. It is trickier to manage the three characters, you're guaranteed to have atleast one of them who is weak against your enemy (and swapping is no easy business), and stamina makes you weaker at any individual pokémon.

PT is a tricky character to make decisions regarding. While it would be nice to preserve him as a character, the desires of many people to just play one of the pokémon must be considered. I'm beginning to lean towards the viewpoint that he should be forced to play as a normal character.

 

[cAm8ooo]

But if the individual pokemon can switch then whats the purpose of playin PT? They should not be given the option to change, only PT should have it.

Edit: Here's how i think this should work.

PT should have the option to switch pokemon or not switch (by holding R) BUT there is a stamina. This would help to broaden the options of PT while meanwhile the indivisual pokemon or "wild pokemon" have no stamina but are forced to stay that pokemon for the entire match.

People would play Pt for the ability to change during game and force their opponent to change thier playstyle or cause them to have a worse matchup but at the same time they cant stay at this advantage forever. A "wild pokemon" mainer doesnt have to eventually change. This kind of person would feel comfortable with only one pokemon who he feels is his best option but against a bad matchup he cant switch.

 

[FrozenHobo]

Making the PT force switch raises the question why anyone would play PT. It is trickier to manage the three characters, you're guaranteed to have atleast one of them who is weak against your enemy (and swapping is no easy business), and stamina makes you weaker at any individual pokémon.

PT is a tricky character to make decisions regarding. While it would be nice to preserve him as a character, the desires of many people to just play one of the pokémon must be considered. I'm beginning to lean towards the viewpoint that he should be forced to play as a normal character.

if anything you should only use the 'hold R at death to stay the same poke' code for regular PT and leave out the down b change for each of the individual pokes as the play chose them to be that pokemon, not one of the others.

additionally, keep the stamina in for regular PT but go on keeping the individual pokes how they have been (again, sans the bown b change)


EDIT: i agree with what cAm8ooo said too. people play PT so they can use all the pokes and people pick the individual pokemon so they only have to worry about using that single poke. with these latest code additions you've blurred the line between full PT and individual pokemon. they need to stay as two (4?) different character options each with their own pros and cons.

 

[Almas]

But... If I want my opponent to have a bad matchup, I'll just counterpick them with one specific pokémon. They'll either have to swap to a character they're worse with, or play with a disadvantage. The only benefit that the trainer conveys is that if you don't know which character your opponent will pick, you'll be good against him some of the time.

I seriously doubt that PT has enough strong points in true competitive play. The "versatility" of being able to play as more than one character in a game doesn't really translate well, I feel, past a few trivial mindgames.

 

[Shell]

Just a pipe dream:

Imagine them swapping tag-team style instantaneously mid-combo -- Squirtle shellshift in for the grab, up throw to uair, fair, Ivy pops in for the fair to launch them up a little more, Charizard pops in for a final uair to up-B kill.

Of course I know this is ridiculous, not technically possible with the loading system, doesn't fit within the traditional style of PKMN fighting, and would be a ***** to balance. Just a fun what-if thought I had.

 

[Blank Mauser]

Call them in via assist button MvC2 style.