Common Secondaries and their usefulness.

[elvenarrow3000]

Still, it's just such a random thing to do... I dunno, I was expecting like... Sheik or Ganon or something.

Personally, I dislike the Mewtwo-Jiggs matchup, so, eh.

 

[Taj278]

It's REALLY, REALLY BORING.

Except for my latest match against Mango, it was balls to the wall excitement. He rested me in his first combo. I bring it back with devastating Shadow Claws, teleport up throws and ****.

You had to be there.

 

[soap]

i was playing my friends roy with jiggs tonite. ON green greens he upthrew upb'ed me and i died at 5%. I think i just failed at DI though.

try roy on jiggs. CC reverse upb kills

 

[KAOSTAR]

It's REALLY, REALLY BORING.

Except for my latest match against Mango, it was balls to the wall excitement. He rested me in his first combo. I bring it back with devastating Shadow Claws, teleport up throws and ****.

You had to be there.

I heard lol. I was suppose to go to the juice wit eggz, vish, toph, brady, and C!Z, basically the washington crew plus aftermath lol. but yea good **** on winning those matches. I need to play u sometime lol but probably not in m2 dittos lol.

but the match is pretty boring but I try not to make it last tooo long. Catch that little puff wit some nairs and baby shadowballs to wavedash in djc fairs so that puff doesnt recover and hit u b4 u land and baby shadowballs to upthrow.

POLL: why is it that pure m2 mains not ppl who picked him up eventually get good and then pick up marth lol and then maybe a few others from there. I picked marth cuz I did a couple of dairs against comps and it was sooo satisfying and I love his wavedash. the rest is history m2 marth all day

 

[Deleted member]

Fox or Falco are who you should use as a secondary to Marth. Fox and Falco both cover Marth's ****ty matchups. (Sheik and C. Falcon). Fox is better on counterpicks, but I think Falco is better on neutrals. Falco counters Fox though, which is one important thing to keep in mind. Maining Marth and Falco is the smartest combination as far as counterpicking goes. But Fox is a better character than Falco. (But Falco is easier to play and kills Fox). So it's really a tossup.

I thought about playing Marth, but now I just play Fox and Falco instead =D

 

[Bigleo55]

Lol I main marth and secondary with falco and CF as well.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Fox or Falco are who you should use as a secondary to Marth. Fox and Falco both cover Marth's ****ty matchups. (Sheik and C. Falcon). Fox is better on counterpicks, but I think Falco is better on neutrals. Falco counters Fox though, which is one important thing to keep in mind. Maining Marth and Falco is the smartest combination as far as counterpicking goes. But Fox is a better character than Falco. (But Falco is easier to play and kills Fox). So it's really a tossup.

I thought about playing Marth, but now I just play Fox and Falco instead =D

Yea I agree with that. Falco does well against sheik and Falcon which is nice. But id take marth falcon anyday for, its my best matchup. I learned to play the game on falcon mains and in no way feel intimidated by C. FAlcon.

And Im not terrible at the sheik matchup. but feel better as falcon or falco.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

...wait you play Falcon against Sheik?

 

[KAOSTAR]

...wait you play Falcon against Sheik?

Naa, I said falco is nice against sheik and falcon lol. You go falco against sheik right?

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I don't play Falco, except for fun =P Too easily gimped. I go Fox against Sheik.

 

[metashinryu]

i actually counter sheik with captain,and play marth against spacies.

 

[Proverbs]

I'm picking up Falcon and Falco. Falco because I'd use him as a Sheik counter. Falcon because he's amazing.

Edit: Or we could all be like Elen and play half the roster at tournament level o_x;;

 

[KAOSTAR]

I'm picking up Falcon and Falco. Falco because I'd use him as a Sheik counter. Falcon because he's amazing.

Edit: Or we could all be like Elen and play half the roster at tournament level o_x;;

lol. I only play marth and m2 in tourney at the moment. I just picked up falco and falcon. I like having those options for friendlys and soon for tourney. Those four are the only ones I find fun to play. Everyone else is just blehg

 

[Just Sexed]

Fox or sheik make great secondaries for marth players IMO because they're so easy to pick up.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Fox or sheik make great secondaries for marth players IMO because they're so easy to pick up.

FOX??? is fox considered easy to play? I think hes hard and sheik is overly easy and boring lol.

 

[Just Sexed]

FOX??? is fox considered easy to play? I think hes hard and sheik is overly easy and boring lol.

Pretty much once you have L-canceling down......maybe im just alot more technical than most people because hes is sooo easy to play

 

[KAOSTAR]

ur technical because hes is easy to play?

 

[Miggz]

Fox or sheik make great secondaries for marth players IMO because they're so easy to pick up.

Fox...easy to play?! GTFO!

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Yeah... as much as I hate jumping on the bandwagon, I'm gonna have to agree with the majority here and say that Fox is not an easy character.

 

[metashinryu]

fox probably needs more dedication to master than any other char,how the **** he is an easy char to play?at least decently

 

[Miggz]

I'm just going to pretend I never even laid eyes on that guy's words. ^^;

 

[metashinryu]

if that comment was to me then:

what does that mean? you play fox easily? you can drillshine anyone? you camp wit shdl? thats what i mean.

 

[Miggz]

Lol.

Oh no, not you, dude.

XD

 

[soap]

i don't see how fox is that much harder tech-wise than sheik or marth or falco. I think it's easier to use him than those cuz his nair is such a solid fast approach.

learn how to dash dance, learn how to sh nair, l cancel shine. u play fox.

 

[Miggz]

Ok well here is my opinion, although I do value yours, Fox is much harder to play tech skill wise then Sheik and Marth. I have no clue when Falco came in to this, but I digress. lol

Anyway, the way I see it, Marth's aerials are easier to land then Fox's simply because of the reach. Then again, one can argue tipping/spacing with Marth is just as hard as landing Fox's dair. Anyway, there is still more to Fox, obviously. Waveshining is one thing, but it takes a lot of work trying to get the "perfect" wave dash length or your waveshines, and use that length consistently.


Through my eyes, Fox has a far more complicated recovery system then both Marth and Sheik, possibly combined. Learning all the possible angles for Fire Fox recovery is insane. I swear I use angles that make my mouth drop.

So yeah, I'll refrain from rambling on an on, after all these are merely opinions.

 

[metashinryu]

i don't see how fox is that much harder tech-wise than sheik or marth or falco. I think it's easier to use him than those cuz his nair is such a solid fast approach.

learn how to dash dance, learn how to sh nair, l cancel shine. u play fox.

sheik is just easy to play,a noob can own any intermediate player just because she is that cheap,marth is a floaty little bistard whit the **** longest arm+most cheating sword in game,falco is just button timing,but FOX is the weirdest/fastest shffle,is light,is fastfaller,is small,has one of the best recoveries ever and the **** shine,in short:hes a ***** indeed

by the way, how do you l-cancel shine? ;D

 

[Miggz]

sheik is just easy to play,a noob can own any intermediate player just because she is that cheap,marth is a floaty little bistard whit the **** longest arm+most cheating sword in game,falco is just button timing,but FOX is the weirdest/fastest shffle,is light,is fastfaller,is small,has one of the best recoveries ever and the **** shine,in short:hes a ***** indeed

by the way, how do you l-cancel shine? ;D

Dude, your signature made me lmao. Haha.

 

[metashinryu]

yeah its new XD

but i want to know how to l-cancel a shine,can u tell me soap?

 

[KAOSTAR]

yeah its new XD

but i want to know how to l-cancel a shine,can u tell me soap?

ur joking right. Cuz u only jump cancel shines.

To master marth its harder than to just be good with fox. Fox is fast and can get in between attacks with speed. just nair around and dont miss l cancels and shine. you dont have to be technical or flashy to win with fox. Not baggin on him but ever heard of cactuar.

upsmash out of shield - upthrow uair - dair grab - nair shine - nair lol

fox has gimmes but to do anything more and actually have fun with the game. Fox can be tricky.

sheik is way to easy to play well. its almost as bad as brawl.

marths F smash is punishable lol. Noobs where u at?!?!?!?

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I'm actually going to say that Marth is harder to play than Fox. If you disagree with me, I can explain my reasoning.

Soap, I'm gonna partially disagree with you. No, L-canceling with Fox or whatever isn't harder to do than any other character, and his basics aren't that much more difficult. But like... the thing is, Fox has a lot more potential than the vast majority of the characters. There's a reason most of the AR vids are of Fox doing crazy things.

 

[metashinryu]

i don't see how fox is that much harder tech-wise than sheik or marth or falco. I think it's easier to use him than those cuz his nair is such a solid fast approach.

learn how to dash dance, learn how to sh nair, l cancel shine. u play fox.

thats what im talking about XD

 

[outofdashdwz]

thats what im talking about XD

Stop nitpicking on trivial technicalities. I think it's pretty obvious he's talking about l-canceled aerial -> shine or JC shine and typo'd.

 

[KAOSTAR]

I'm actually going to say that Marth is harder to play than Fox. If you disagree with me, I can explain my reasoning.

Soap, I'm gonna partially disagree with you. No, L-canceling with Fox or whatever isn't harder to do than any other character, and his basics aren't that much more difficult. But like... the thing is, Fox has a lot more potential than the vast majority of the characters. There's a reason most of the AR vids are of Fox doing crazy things.

Basically. With marth if ur not warmed up or on your game u can get rocked pretty hard. A fox has a better chance to make it thru with a win by doing the bare minimum.

outofdashdwz ur post was so unnecessary. All you did was bring it up again. We were past that so far gone and moved on to bigger and better things lol. Whats your take on fox vs marth in difficulty. post and make yourself useful. and thats a huge typo. we knew it was a mistake. just pokin fun

 

[ILoveRice]

well when i mained marth i secondaried falco and i felt my falco could combo better but get ***** at everything else i think it improved my fingers and it made it faster and it made it easier for me to combo with marth i guess...

hi kaos

 

[Just Sexed]

i don't see how fox is that much harder tech-wise than sheik or marth or falco. I think it's easier to use him than those cuz his nair is such a solid fast approach.

learn how to dash dance, learn how to sh nair, l cancel shine. u play fox.

Someone not ******** on the marth boards. ^^

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I'm gonna go ahead and say that that's pretty stupid to call everyone who doesn't agree with you a ******. These are discussion boards, not "everyone agree with Just Sexed" boards. Grow up.

 

[Just Sexed]

I'm gonna go ahead and say that that's pretty stupid to call everyone who doesn't agree with you a ******. These are discussion boards, not "everyone agree with Just Sexed" boards. Grow up.

Well it is pretty stupid to think fox is hard to play compared to others at a high level and yes i agree with you marth is harder to play at higher level than fox.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

So you think Fox is easier to play than... say... Sheik?

 

[KAOSTAR]

Well it is pretty stupid to think fox is hard to play compared to others at a high level and yes i agree with you marth is harder to play at higher level than fox.

So u agree with a dumb person? I think thats pretty dumb. Also u did agree with the dude who was trying to l cancel his shines lol.

But seriously. Im talking about the creme of the crop. Even m2k johned about him lacking tech skill to beat mango with his fox. Fox can be easy to play because of how good he is but to really shine, no pun intended, you gotta be a beast.


sup rice-yea I went thru the same thing except I main m2 and second marth but whatever. Been playin falco and falcon lately.

 

[Just Sexed]

So you think Fox is easier to play than... say... Sheik?

Fox is easier to play than falco, falcon, marth IMO.