"common knowledge" that a lot of people don't know

[Nizro]

This is the killing % on Falco using upward sending attacks.
FD

Fox PAL upsmash - 107%
Marth Dsmash - 97%(92% if you DI towards) with the 2nd hit and 100% with the 1st/front hit.
Peach upsmash - 93% with the special sweetspot.
Fox NTSC upsmash - 93% no DI och 92% with DI towards, 91% very little DI towards
Pikachu upsmash - 87%

Don't feel like checking Sheik, I think the sweetspot kills at 104-105% in PAL and 99-102% in NTSC.

 

[Metal Reeper]

This is the killing % on Falco using upward sending attacks.

Fox PAL - 107%
Marth Dsmash - 97%(92% if you DI towards) with the 2nd hit and 100% with the 1st/front hit.
Peach - 93% with the special sweetspot.
Fox NTSC - 93% no DI och 92% with DI towards, 91% very little DI towards
Pikachu - 87%

Don't feel like checking Sheik, I think the sweetspot kills at 104-105% in PAL and 99-102% in NTSC.

uhhh what stage?

 

[Nø Ca$h]

im still hype about jiggly puff having a left and right taunt.

 

[mastermoo420]

uhhh what stage?

More like:
- What stage?
- What part of the stage were both characters at?
- What DI? There's talk about the DI from Marth's d-smash so that could lead people to believe the DI is not all the same
- What move? "upward-sending attack." Fox has at least five of those off the top of my head (not including things like bair)

 

[Nizro]

lol sorry i was very tired..
This was done in the mid of FD.
Fox using upsmash since it's the strongest so I kinda thought it was a "Duh" moment.
Upsmash with Pikachu, Upsmash with Peach

No DI on Marths Dsmash sends you at an angle upright/upleft.. by DI'ing towards the hitter you fly straight up.. Fox also send you at an angle but his angle ain't as hard as Marth's so I had to do little DI towards to fly straight up and not behind Fox.

Really, people really thought that Falco would die sub 100% with stuff like uair, upthrows?

 

[BunBun]

I have a question:
Does the knockback angle of an angled tilt change with the angle of the tilt?
Since it has a different axis, does the original angle apply on the new axis, or is the knockback the same regardless of the tilt angle?

 

[X1-12]

I have a question:
Does the knockback angle of an angled tilt change with the angle of the tilt?
Since it has a different axis, does the original angle apply on the new axis, or is the knockback the same regardless of the tilt angle?

I just tested with falcos on a jiggs a 999% and there's no noticeable difference

 

[BunBun]

Ah darn. Thanks man.

 

[Nizro]

A tilted attack does more dmg, and often change the angle of flight.
Most noticeably is Luigi ftilt tilted down, it does no knockback only %.


OnT: People don't know that this video is ****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-A5rQm9Xro

 

[Rykard]

has someone actually went through this thread and compiled everything?

 

[Metal Reeper]

has someone actually went through this thread and compiled everything?

I wish, I read it all though, OP needs to compile, but there is a looooot.

 

[TheGoat]

keeping your finger on X brings out ganons sword
after the match if he wins.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

after page 11 it trails off pretty badly

 

[Rayzorium]

Charge shot and missiles become stale in knockback as well as damage.

 

[Pink Reaper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxGFvcEEVzQ&feature=related

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

pichu can duck under gannon's warlock punch.

 

[X1-12]

Charge shot and missiles become stale in knockback as well as damage.

The only moves that don't stale in knockback are fixed knockback moves like Fox's shine


Knockback is calculated AFTER damage is done, so as damage stales, knockback stales

 

[ihavespaceblondes]

The only moves that don't stale in knockback are fixed knockback moves like Fox's shine


Knockback is calculated AFTER damage is done, so as damage stales, knockback stales

Charge shot and missiles behave differently though. If you hit with a Fox upsmash at 99% and it doesn't quite kill, it will do less damage when you hit with it again, but it will still KO. Samus' charge shot will do less damage AND not KO again, much like how every move in Barlw works.

 

[NJzFinest]

Jigglypuff isn't a top tier character

Spoiler

So good.

I love this post

 

[Metal Reeper]

Speaking of moves that has the same knockback always, Roy's UPb, it can kill puffs on BF at the top platform at 0%

 

[TheGoat]

Speaking of moves that has the same knockback always, Roy's UPb, it can kill puffs on BF at the top platform at 0%

It is decided
Roy is the one who shall save us from the Pink Menace!

 

[Rayzorium]

X1, for a clearer example, try shooting Fox with a charged shot on Hyrule. A fresh shot at 100% will take him almost exactly from one end of the stage to the other. A completely stale shot at 112% (btw, 125% after the shot in both cases) will barely clear 1/3 of the stage.

I'm hurt that you simply assumed I was wrong! This thread is all about finding out things you didn't know! D=

Also...

I love this post

I thought your sig was bugs and tried to squish it. =(

 

[Metal Reeper]

It is decided
Roy is the one who shall save us from the Pink Menace!

I agree...the future of smash is counterpicking puff on BF with Roy our boy.

 

[BunBun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxGFvcEEVzQ&feature=related

Whoa .

 

[KAOSTAR]

Charge shot and missiles behave differently though. If you hit with a Fox upsmash at 99% and it doesn't quite kill, it will do less damage when you hit with it again, but it will still KO. Samus' charge shot will do less damage AND not KO again, much like how every move in Barlw works.

those are projectiles and they do actually stale in kb as well as damage.

I jv5 a level 9 bowser using only shadow ball and noticed that even over 140 it would never send him flying.

are samus missiles like this also?

edit: nvm you said and missiles lol.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

falco stole roy's walljump

 

[BunBun]

I don't get it.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

All clones one has a wall jump where's roy's and way does both fox and falco have one?

 

[X1-12]

All clones one has a wall jump where's roy's and way does both fox and falco have one?

fox
falco
mario
falcon
y.link
pichu
samus
sheik

i think thats it

 

[Rayzorium]

It's impossible to get a 1 or 2 on GaW's first Judgement.

 

[Rayzorium]

Woop, wrong thread.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

All clones one has a wall jump where's roy's and way does both fox and falco have one?

exactry !

 

[krazyzyko]

If shiek has her needles charged, she can loose them if she gets hit during her side+B. (Just found out lol)

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

all characters with charged moves lose their charge when they are hit out of their recovery move. May include any B move.

 

[Fernandez]

Some hitboxes in NTSC are bigger then in PAL, especially fox his Up-B is 10 times more easier to edgegaurd in PAL, I just played NTSC for the first time last weekend.
Fox upsmash and Marths up tilt aswell, there are some more but can't think of them now, il check later.

 

[Metal Reeper]

If you grapple beam with Samus, or hookshot with Link/Ylink, and die , you can't use your grapple when you get off the recovery platform.

 

[frotaz37]

You can save your partner with Roys tipper.

I learned this from a guy named Phil.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Some hitboxes in NTSC are bigger then in PAL, especially fox his Up-B is 10 times more easier to edgegaurd in PAL, I just played NTSC for the first time last weekend.
Fox upsmash and Marths up tilt aswell, there are some more but can't think of them now, il check later.

you dont need to. we already know. >_________>

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

Some moves do more damage than others, while others do less than three.

 

[Fernandez]

you dont need to. we already know. >_________>

Ok.

Is there some kind of list somewhere with all the diffrences? Id like to know them all ^_^