YangFuShang
Smash Apprentice
get the **** out
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Colorado Smash - MVG Presents: REVELATION 2 - MIDWEST NATIONAL! MVG QUALIFIER! May 16-17
- Thread starter dettadeus
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Underload
Lazy
Kansas said they'd bring 15 people, yeah right.
Personally, I don't really want Kansas there if they want us to push it back a whole week just for them. Get Wyoming, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, and Oklahoma to come and that'll be enough for me.
Do you guys think Nevada or Texas would have interest in coming, seeing as It's the week after Evo and the week before HOBO17?
Personally, I don't really want Kansas there if they want us to push it back a whole week just for them. Get Wyoming, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, and Oklahoma to come and that'll be enough for me.
Do you guys think Nevada or Texas would have interest in coming, seeing as It's the week after Evo and the week before HOBO17?
Affinity
Smash Hero
lol
No, not really. It was just a request, considering the Midwest Circuit event has had its date set in stone for a while now. If you can't, that's completely understandable.
Kansas is thinking about coming and dominating this thing anyway.
Underload
Lazy
We beseech you to come and show us your moves, Kansas.
You have no chance with Michigan at Gigabrawl, anyway.
You have no chance with Michigan at Gigabrawl, anyway.
Jokez
Timotee
Smash Journeyman
Again, Supercon's date was set long, long ago. Last September or October, if I remember right. It cannot be changed, sowwy.
Affinity
Smash Hero
Ah ok. Fair enough.
EDIT: Looking into the details of SuperCon, this looks like it'll be amazing. I'll talk it over with everyone today.
Underload
Lazy
Well, you guys should come anyway, we have more Nesses than Metaknights.
Timotee
Smash Journeyman
Quite frankly, it will be awesome. I don't remember if DFG updated the info, but there is also Melee singles and teams, along with all the other games/panels/events. Plus, there are plenty of places in Denver to get food and entertainment throughout the weekend, no matter the hour!
And, if you guys do decide to go, you can help me hype it up at Genesis =D
And, if you guys do decide to go, you can help me hype it up at Genesis =D
Fluxus
Smash Cadet
Lawl kansas.
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
If KS can't come, they can't come. If they can, they'd better bring some good Melee players, so CO can show them what happens when we like a game! Or when I like one, anyway. Lololol.
Don't forget that our Brawl pot is bare-minimum $500. That's if no one enters. $510 for one person, 520 for 2, so on and so forth.
It's not dominating if you win Brawl, though. You also have to win:
SC4
SF4
GG (maybe not, actually)
SSBM
SSBM Teams
StarFox 64 vs me/Yang (apparently he's hot ****? I don't believe it)
SB64 (dook already has this one, unless CA brings good people)
BlazBlue
KoF XII (jk, lol)
Or at least place top 4 in 5 events. Taking 1st in 3 is acceptable.
So yeah, bring all your top players for everything. Evo whut?
Underload
Lazy
Go hype Supercon @ Genesis until your tongue falls out, dammit!
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
So guize, I've been thinking of some ways to make CO tournaments a bigger deal, and how we can attract more new players.
What would people say to an amateur bracket and a pro bracket?
Pretty much how it would work is once you win a tournament in CO, you're moved to pro bracket. You can't compete in Am brackets anymore.
BUT WAIT, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT MAKES THIS NOT A ******** IDEA!
Top 2 of every Am tournament are allowed to enter the pro bracket (either for free or half, I'm not sure). Top 1 is stuck there until there is a bracket of 16 players. After that, whoever places last in each pro tournament is moved back into Am brackets.
Now, obviously this idea is very rough around the edges. First, we need to figure out who all has actually taken 1st in the Barwl CO events, and then we need to figure out however many else (bare minimum of 8) we can move to pro bracket, or give invitations to.
The pro bracket would probably get a small boost from the NVGA as far as pot size goes, to keep the "pro" players from sandbagging to enter the Am brackets again. Also, we could look at having another bracket that's pretty much general admission, so the pro players can play the rest of CO in tournament.
The disadvantages to this?
We'll need a LOT more set-ups, and for people to not use tournament T.V.s for friendlies.
We'll need everyone's help getting interest renewed in Brawl. Tell your friends they have a chance! Invite scrubby Sir Orion! I don't care, just get people to come.
We'll need a constant stream of new faces to really get the Pro bracket up to 16 while keeping the Am bracket full, too.
The pro players will have to bite the bullet for a bit as far as cash netted from 1st goes. If you're playing for love of the game, then this isn't really a downside, since you'll be getting to play new people at each tournament. If you're playing for love of the money Brawl brings in, though...
We can only do this with Singles.
Advantages?
Being in pro bracket means you don't have to wade through tons of shoddy players.
Maaaaaaybe the NVGA can set up some sweet deals for pro bracket (free lunch or something, I dunno).
ALL pro-bracket matches would be recorded.
It could make the CO ranking system a lot easier? I dunno.
What would people say to an amateur bracket and a pro bracket?
Pretty much how it would work is once you win a tournament in CO, you're moved to pro bracket. You can't compete in Am brackets anymore.
BUT WAIT, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT MAKES THIS NOT A ******** IDEA!
Top 2 of every Am tournament are allowed to enter the pro bracket (either for free or half, I'm not sure). Top 1 is stuck there until there is a bracket of 16 players. After that, whoever places last in each pro tournament is moved back into Am brackets.
Now, obviously this idea is very rough around the edges. First, we need to figure out who all has actually taken 1st in the Barwl CO events, and then we need to figure out however many else (bare minimum of 8) we can move to pro bracket, or give invitations to.
The pro bracket would probably get a small boost from the NVGA as far as pot size goes, to keep the "pro" players from sandbagging to enter the Am brackets again. Also, we could look at having another bracket that's pretty much general admission, so the pro players can play the rest of CO in tournament.
The disadvantages to this?
We'll need a LOT more set-ups, and for people to not use tournament T.V.s for friendlies.
We'll need everyone's help getting interest renewed in Brawl. Tell your friends they have a chance! Invite scrubby Sir Orion! I don't care, just get people to come.
We'll need a constant stream of new faces to really get the Pro bracket up to 16 while keeping the Am bracket full, too.
The pro players will have to bite the bullet for a bit as far as cash netted from 1st goes. If you're playing for love of the game, then this isn't really a downside, since you'll be getting to play new people at each tournament. If you're playing for love of the money Brawl brings in, though...
We can only do this with Singles.
Advantages?
Being in pro bracket means you don't have to wade through tons of shoddy players.
Maaaaaaybe the NVGA can set up some sweet deals for pro bracket (free lunch or something, I dunno).
ALL pro-bracket matches would be recorded.
It could make the CO ranking system a lot easier? I dunno.
Underload
Lazy
No. Stick to one bracket.
If anything, do pools and bring the bracket down to 16 best players that way. If you do that, everyone attending is guaranteed ~4 sets if they don't make it to the bracket, unlike our current "dive right into bracket" system where people lose 2 sets and are promptly done for the day and out a good 30 dollars.
The pools system would also be friendlier to out of staters, since the placement doesn't depend on past placings, but overall skill as a player.
This will only work for bigger tournaments, not smaller Cutthroat events, unless we get good attendance from the 18 pages of members from CO on AiB.
Everyone knows what pools are, right?
- Groups of 5-9001, depending on attendance
- Everyone plays everyone in a 2 game set (or is it still 3?)
- The two people with the best records go into the bracket
If, say, 64 people were to show up to SuperCon (same attendance as FS6, not impossible), that would be 8 pools of 8, top 2 get out, an even 16 man pro bracket right there. The secret is to always have 8 pools.
This would require a lot of more setups than what we had at C3T.
Advantages?
Being in a pool is better for the little guy, because they are guaranteed to play more sets than before. Big boys get to warm up more.
If you make it out of pools, you don't have to wade through tons of shoddy players.
It could make the CO ranking system a lot easier? I dunno.
Speaking of
If anything, do pools and bring the bracket down to 16 best players that way. If you do that, everyone attending is guaranteed ~4 sets if they don't make it to the bracket, unlike our current "dive right into bracket" system where people lose 2 sets and are promptly done for the day and out a good 30 dollars.
The pools system would also be friendlier to out of staters, since the placement doesn't depend on past placings, but overall skill as a player.
This will only work for bigger tournaments, not smaller Cutthroat events, unless we get good attendance from the 18 pages of members from CO on AiB.
Everyone knows what pools are, right?
- Groups of 5-9001, depending on attendance
- Everyone plays everyone in a 2 game set (or is it still 3?)
- The two people with the best records go into the bracket
If, say, 64 people were to show up to SuperCon (same attendance as FS6, not impossible), that would be 8 pools of 8, top 2 get out, an even 16 man pro bracket right there. The secret is to always have 8 pools.
This would require a lot of more setups than what we had at C3T.
Advantages?
Being in a pool is better for the little guy, because they are guaranteed to play more sets than before. Big boys get to warm up more.
If you make it out of pools, you don't have to wade through tons of shoddy players.
It could make the CO ranking system a lot easier? I dunno.
Speaking of
we need to plan accordingly so we can have a good live stream of SuperCon. Not DFG style where we only do finals, but a Brawl-only live stream set up on one TV that is on all day, with a commentator rotation, just like every good Smash tourney in the history of ever.
Timotee
Smash Journeyman
I think the idea is to entice people with a better chance of winning, because they don't end up going against Flux in round 1, then Nite in round 2.
Affinity
Smash Hero
lawl Flux
YangFuShang
Smash Apprentice
yeah we better be doing pools at supercon, only logical
Underload
Lazy
The best player there wins the tournament. What you're talking about is getting to play more matches and not getting eliminated from the bracket 0-2. Pools do just that.
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
Well, yeah. I'm not talking about SuperCon, though. I'm talking about the long run, guize.
You want to grow the community?
You have to give people a chance at winning.
No offense, but CO isn't going to lose to CO locals that we haven't played with. We know it, they know it.
Why enter a tournament you can't win? From a scrub's standpoint, I mean.
So why not make it so they can win a tournament or two?
I do agree that any 32+man bracket needs pools, though. We'll be doing that again, methinks.
Also, Tim had an interesting idea:
Brawl+Melee monthlies
$5 venue fee
Pot fee to be decided
For Melee, the #1 player will become a "Challenge Opponent". The way this works is that person doesn't enter the tournament. By being the challenge opponent, they automatically get a small amount just for showing up (this part is my idea, I'll explain if anyone doesn't understand). In conjunction, whoever takes 1st place in the tournament gets to challenge the challenge opponent. If they win, they get even more money (taken from our venue fee) added on top of their pot, and become the CO. If they lose, no big deal. The CO just gets the money taken from venue. I can also see about us sponsoring a CO that has survived multiple challenges.
This way, it not only gives top-level players even more incentive to show up, but it gives our up-and-comers something to reach for.
But yeah, either way, I'd like for us to have beginner's tournaments/workshops start up. Pretty much our top players let lower level players play each other, we record it, and once the person is knocked out of the tournament, we can start telling them what to work on, what they did right/wrong/just help them in general. Of course, this is assuming that they want to. They can just win/lose and go home, too.
This requires more people to become "aware" as to how "mindgames", spacing, and other tools in a fighting game work. Anyone interested in helping teach should lemme know. People like Ferdi know what to do as is, but for other players, I'd be happy to teach you what to look for, and how to teach it. :D!
EDIT:
You want to grow the community?
You have to give people a chance at winning.
No offense, but CO isn't going to lose to CO locals that we haven't played with. We know it, they know it.
Why enter a tournament you can't win? From a scrub's standpoint, I mean.
So why not make it so they can win a tournament or two?
I do agree that any 32+man bracket needs pools, though. We'll be doing that again, methinks.
Also, Tim had an interesting idea:
Brawl+Melee monthlies
$5 venue fee
Pot fee to be decided
For Melee, the #1 player will become a "Challenge Opponent". The way this works is that person doesn't enter the tournament. By being the challenge opponent, they automatically get a small amount just for showing up (this part is my idea, I'll explain if anyone doesn't understand). In conjunction, whoever takes 1st place in the tournament gets to challenge the challenge opponent. If they win, they get even more money (taken from our venue fee) added on top of their pot, and become the CO. If they lose, no big deal. The CO just gets the money taken from venue. I can also see about us sponsoring a CO that has survived multiple challenges.
This way, it not only gives top-level players even more incentive to show up, but it gives our up-and-comers something to reach for.
But yeah, either way, I'd like for us to have beginner's tournaments/workshops start up. Pretty much our top players let lower level players play each other, we record it, and once the person is knocked out of the tournament, we can start telling them what to work on, what they did right/wrong/just help them in general. Of course, this is assuming that they want to. They can just win/lose and go home, too.
This requires more people to become "aware" as to how "mindgames", spacing, and other tools in a fighting game work. Anyone interested in helping teach should lemme know. People like Ferdi know what to do as is, but for other players, I'd be happy to teach you what to look for, and how to teach it. :D!
EDIT:
What I'm talking about is giving not "the best" a chance to win money. Wouldn't that be nice? :D
spiritdragon
Smash Ace
Chap lets hang son when are you free my man
Timotee
Smash Journeyman
No, we're talking about 2 tourneys, one of which might not have the people that have knocked you out 5 times in it. For example, I know there's one player named iRoq or such who shows up to tourneys but we never hear from otherwise. I've knocked him out of winners/tourneys 3 or 4 times now. Showing up and seeing that I'm in a separate tourney might entice him to show up more regularly, as an obstacle to his winning and getting money would be removed.
I dunno, that combined with the CO idea could work. We just need to get a venue and start having our actual scene make some tourneys, instead of just relying on EFL/NVGA.
Fluxus
Smash Cadet
I'll help teach.
Underload
Lazy
Definitely do some workshops for Brawl at future tournaments for the lower level players who want to get better (ex. Me for Melee). That's a great idea. But, maybe not at SuperCon since we have a lot on our plate already.
And we need consistent Brawl + Melee monthlies, too. Also a great idea. If we had Smash-only tournaments @ professional venues in addition to Cutthroat and EFL, that would help the CO metagame immensely. Do eet.
Drop the Challenge Opponent idea, too. Stick to what works. We don't want anyone having an advantage, especially the best player, since that goes against your philosophy of giving not "the best" a chance to win money.
EDIT: Now that I can see Tim's post, I get where we're going with this idea of a pro bracket. Letting the less experienced player play his own skill level on a competitive level, and getting support from the "pros" to build their skills even further. Am I on the right track?
And we need consistent Brawl + Melee monthlies, too. Also a great idea. If we had Smash-only tournaments @ professional venues in addition to Cutthroat and EFL, that would help the CO metagame immensely. Do eet.
Drop the Challenge Opponent idea, too. Stick to what works. We don't want anyone having an advantage, especially the best player, since that goes against your philosophy of giving not "the best" a chance to win money.
EDIT: Now that I can see Tim's post, I get where we're going with this idea of a pro bracket. Letting the less experienced player play his own skill level on a competitive level, and getting support from the "pros" to build their skills even further. Am I on the right track?
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
I don't think you understand the Challenge Opponent. He's not part of the tournament. He's a chance to make even MORE money after winning. But it'd be for Melee only.
We have Smash workshops scheduled for SuperCon already, I do believe. But I was talking about non EFL/NVGA. Everyone should start checking out their respective areas for potential cheap venues. I'd prefer something in Denver, though, since that's where most of CO is.
We have Smash workshops scheduled for SuperCon already, I do believe. But I was talking about non EFL/NVGA. Everyone should start checking out their respective areas for potential cheap venues. I'd prefer something in Denver, though, since that's where most of CO is.
Owndizzl3r_Ownag3
Smash Apprentice
so underload is their gonna be a smashfest this saturday! cause I can probably go!! omg! this like never happens!!
Underload
Lazy
Yup, I get it now. #1 is removed from the equation so #2-#3000 have a chance to get paid instead.
How much are we talking about here for the CO?
And why is it only for Melee?
Workshops for SuperCon...OH YEAH! I remember that, I totally blanked. They're on Sunday, right? I'll go if I can, I'll probably have my permit by then.
As for venues, none here in Morrison from what I know.
Dammit Owndizzler_Daveage, don't pressure meeeeee. I really wanna set up a smashfest, but I have 14 year old johns. I'll try to make it happen.
Lawkk
Smash Rookie
Does CO even have enough people to do 2 seperate brackets as of now? I know the purpose of two brackets was to get more people but do we even have enough people to start it up?
Timotee
Smash Journeyman
If we were to pull numbers like CCCT, we'd be able to do 2 16-man brackets with a bit left over.
The CO is only for melee because melee doesn't have the numbers for the other idea, so just taking 1 person out and showing that you could make double the 1st place winnings by beating that guy is more understandable. If I'm not being clear, and it is likely, let me know here or by IM or whatever and I'll try to word my explanations bettah.
And we'd be aiming to get the CO prize to be about as much as first place in the tourney got, maybe a touch more, so that whoever is the CO isn't missing out on winnings. That's one reason for the venue fee, another would be so we could get some TVs to rely on. I'm gonna try to talk with some people and see what I can learn about finding a venue.
The CO is only for melee because melee doesn't have the numbers for the other idea, so just taking 1 person out and showing that you could make double the 1st place winnings by beating that guy is more understandable. If I'm not being clear, and it is likely, let me know here or by IM or whatever and I'll try to word my explanations bettah.
And we'd be aiming to get the CO prize to be about as much as first place in the tourney got, maybe a touch more, so that whoever is the CO isn't missing out on winnings. That's one reason for the venue fee, another would be so we could get some TVs to rely on. I'm gonna try to talk with some people and see what I can learn about finding a venue.
Underload
Lazy
Idea sounds good, but now we need to put it into action. Let's try and find a venue to host this all in.
We should also have 64 as a side event, seeing as it's awesome and all. 1 N64 setup should be just fine.
We should also have 64 as a side event, seeing as it's awesome and all. 1 N64 setup should be just fine.
YangFuShang
Smash Apprentice
so will there be pools at supercon?
Underload
Lazy
10osupyangs
YangFuShang
Smash Apprentice
oh did not see that cuz i got all confused with this challeging stuff
Timotee
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, our thread is moving too fast these days. In other news, Yang's sig turned back into the amazing sprites!
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
I dibs being a commentator for at least one set ^^
Underload
Lazy
I think I might just hog the livestream at Supercon.
That is, if we actually get it up and running. Anyone here own an XP / Vista laptop?
That is, if we actually get it up and running. Anyone here own an XP / Vista laptop?
Timotee
Smash Journeyman
I know of at least 4 laptops in the scene, but mine is the only XP one I can think of. Rest are Vista, I believe.
Judo Chop Action Super Buddha
Smash Cadet
- Joined
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im going to commentate so gtfo
Underload
Lazy
Okay, so there's a potential laptop for the job.
Now we need a capture card. Idk which will work better, an external one or internal one. I guess we just need to get tabs on who has what kind of capture card.
I keep forgetting who you are...were you at C3T or no?
Fluxus
Smash Cadet
Lulz, I'll put in a few words.
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
Yeah...There is now way I'm not commentating one...I wanna do my own matches ^^
Underload
Lazy
There can be more than one commentator at a time, guys. We'll all have our chance.