Colorado Smash - MVG Presents: REVELATION 2 - MIDWEST NATIONAL! MVG QUALIFIER! May 16-17

[Jorgeme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QRO3gKj3qw

I want to have it's babies.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

unless nothing is safe at all in any decent fighting game... only thing that is really safe is retreating spacing aerials... and if you do that you'll just run out of space. basically nothing is safe on shield in brawl.

mainly there's basically no safe pressure at all

Tim means things are safe in the sense that you don't really get "punished" as much as you would in a real fighter/Melee/64.

Like, if you roll predictably in SSBB, you're gonna eat like... 34% at the most. And that's assuming the character can even punish your rolls.

In SSBM and 64, if you spam rolls and random moves, you're gonna lose a stock/eat 60-80%.

In SSBB, ignoring match-up specific abuses, if you **** up pressure, you're gonna eat prolly 14%, at the most.

Obviously, this is a very gross blanket statement. The best example I can give is that if Bees read Dave in Melee as hard as he did in Brawl, it would have been an easy 3-4 stock. Not a close match by any means.

 

[Bees!]

This thread is so sad right now. I was starting to feel sad too.
Once I move up to Denver if this happens I will bring over Ice cream. We will eat Ice cream do Ganon dittos with pitfalls and watch Lost. Also I almost feel like the only reason I won as much as I did was that people didn't bring their "A" game not necessarily that my training with Reflex(20+friendlies and 18 are posted on youtube XD) or my wifi practice actually helped that much. But then I read this.

Bees didn't do bad

Thank you! you made me feel like maybe I did do some of the work after all.

he didn't have to play any meta kn- *shot*

I lold at this. Also I guess you are right. I fought Fishbait's MK game one and sounds like he wasn't on top of his game. :/
FISHBAIT! next time we play you better give it your all. I know I will

Too much crying in here not enough playing league of legends.

lol @ lol. That game looks fun

Backdoor Rangers 9 isn't a real movie.

Wow perfect timing right after Dekar too XD. and really late response. Like you took a couple days to research this XDDDD

Tim means things are safe in the sense that you don't really get "punished" as much as you would in a real fighter/Melee/64.

estimates and stuff

Obviously, this is a very gross blanket statement. The best example I can give is that if Bees read Dave in Melee as hard as he did in Brawl, it would have been an easy 3-4 stock. Not a close match by any means.

I can understand why people don't like that in Brawl. I however am the opposite. I like a game where in order to do the same thing that you would do in melee. You have to think twice as hard. I could care less what people call Brawl. Competitive or not. I really enjoy lack of hitstun and shield stun and no combos. It makes Brawl unique. Also you have to outplay your opponent even more. You have to capitalize on many more mistakes. rather than 2-3 mistakes deciding a match. I mean I love other fighting games as well. But I still like brawl the most for that reason.
Also thank you! I am glad to hear that people think I read and stuff.

 

[Steam]

well if you could punish like that G&W would basically be a useless character. lol.

but yeah unless your opponent is the Ice climbers you won't generally get punished too hard.

But also in other games you won't get punished if like any move regardless of spacing hits their shield (exageration but still...) <_> Just means more can be done off of reaction basically.

edit: they're just haters bees. you won legitly >.> though I wish we had more tournies so we could see dillon, fishbait etc. bounce back.

 

[Bees!]

though I wish we had more tournies so we could see dillon, fishbait etc. bounce back.

I agree I also want to see more Dave and Lvl Zero
Dave should not be counted out. I mean I could tell he was a little rusty at Zournament. But he is still a strong player with a lot of potential. He just needs to punch more holes in peoples strategies rather than doors
Also lvl Zero is probably one of our most underestimated players imo.
Fishbait is just Fishbait. Is adaptable playstyle reminds me of Alleye(no namesearchy to flame our thread)
We have some amazing players.
Dylan I honestly think is on par with several East Coast MKs. (As good as if not better than bloodcr0$$ and better than 1nu1) Namesearch denied!
and Steam has shown that he can improve greatly and is determined even if he complains about the game from time to time.


Also quick question all the BB guys.
How many characters are unlockables?
How many can I obtain by Xbawks live?

 

[Sunnysunny]

Brawl would be much better if it was balanced.

And although you don't get punished hard on brawl, you can get punished frequently if the opponent is even slightly better.

my main beef with it though is the lack of hype. In BB anything can happen, at any time, as quick as blink~! <3 I just love the ability to turn the tables so quickly like that. I also think lack of mixup in brawl is kiiinda lame. Its fun, just not...ya know hype fun!

 

[Jorgeme]

I'm not sure if Dylan is quite on par with the east coast MKs yet. I've seen bloodcr0$$'s mk in person and even been owned by his falco in a few friendlies. But i will say I was greatly impressed w/ Dylan's spacing when we played at Meno's dorm. Some of it was M@2@k perfect like when he tippered his up-air and fastfell w/ his opponent to punish his opponents fastfall>airdodge. O and one thing that i forgot about is the EC uses dashdance A LOT like they are playing melee. Maybe we should start to try it out.

I don't think we need more tournies, i think we need more smashfests. I think everyone had a great time at fishfest, and with things like those people don't have to rage about losing/feel bad about playing badly/spend much money. I would be more than happy to host one, but no one seems to want to take the trip up to Fort Collins...

 

[spiritdragon]

But I quickly remembered that Walgreens drug tests you before hiring you, and consistently tests you while you work there. And even though I decided that I'm done with illegal things a while ago, and have started to clean up my system, that test cannot happen until I know for a fact that I can pass a urinalysis or whatever. If I get anything other than a true negative, I'm most likely ****ed.

And that's what's on my mind right now.

just wait a like a week and you'll be good, i passed plenty of urine tests with no problems ever.

if you're concerned about what would happen if you dont pass the worse they can do is not give you the job.

the only test you need to be concerned about is the hair follicle test but that ****'s expensive and unless you're going to work in some closed medical facility or something dont ever worry about it.

also, IF CS2 is the last in the series(i dont have to deal with buying first BB, CS1, CS2, CS3, etc) i will be picking it up to play for real. every new gen fighter out right now is mega slow or uninteresting to me. maybe i just havent played enough?

will probably not play Marvel 3 unless everyone else plays it FOR REAL which it prolly wont. like tim said that one day, i basically only play MvC2 cause yang doesnt have anyone to play it with.

finally, this may or may not be a bad thing but i'm actually at the point where getting a little buzzed is actually kinda enjoyable. although im still not used to the taste of just beer(seriously i hate it, or maybe its just the brand?), rum and mixed drinks with vodka are really good imo. im actually somewhat interested in other drinks as well.

 

[Sunnysunny]

I don't think we need more tournies, i think we need more smashfests. I think everyone had a great time at fishfest, and with things like those people don't have to rage about losing/feel bad about playing badly/spend much money.

Ha, exactly what I had on my mind. Its much more laid back when no stakes are on the line. Much less salt too. =w=

 

[CloudChaser071]

He just needs to punch more holes in peoples strategies rather than doors

How many characters are unlockables?
How many can I obtain by Xbawks live?

I laughed :D

The door's still got another spot for a door knob though, but it can still be used as a table


Only 1 is unlockable; Makoto and Valk are DLC :/



Also yeah, thanks Jo. It's just when an expensive piece of equipment that Father has invested in gets damaged, I will be pissed. When someone else's piece of equipment gets damaged, I will be pissed. Having no regard for someone else's equipment is probably the one thing that pisses and will continually piss me off.

We're looking into estimates into replacing the felt because of the stain. Going to be around $800. I'm still mad about that. Next time I'll have a sign though. If the pool table still gets damaged after, I'm going to flip. Just FYI.

With all the negativity about what happened at Zournament, not sure if people still want a next Zournament, or even for me to host it. It seems people don't enjoy it as much as everyone would like to.
@Dylan- I've heard you say that you don't like brawl, but play it just for the sakes of playing. I'm sure there are parts of brawl that you enjoy. It just feels like you play just to play.
@Josiah- You're probably the most passionate about the game that I've seen. Not sure what else can be said here.
@Steam- No I don't play brawl. Also at the meetups I constantly hear johns :/ I know you like brawl, but I haven't heard anyone john so much.
@Everyone Else- It feels like a whole lot of negativity. The only one I haven't heard anything from is Tim and Meno.

Again, not sure if people want Zournament. Feels like a whole lot of negativity.

 

[Steam]

Brawl would be much better if it was balanced.

It actually is in the high tiers outside of metaknight. and some of the mid tiers are/would be quite viable as well

 

[demonictoonlink]

t.
I don't think we need more tournies, i think we need more smashfests.

THIS

Also, 1nui is SO much better than me....lol

Maybe I'm on par with EC's bad MKs, or decent ones, but the good ones are on another level than me.

And I do still get enjoyment out of playing brawl. I just get 0 enjoyment out of tournament matches. Ever. I can't deal with stress in the slightest.

 

[Sunnysunny]

You get the tourney jitters dylan? '3'

 

[InterimOfZeal]

@Everyone Else- It feels like a whole lot of negativity. The only one I haven't heard anything from is Tim and Meno.

Again, not sure if people want Zournament. Feels like a whole lot of negativity.

It's okay to get mad. Especially when you're serious enough about your billiard table to get it replaced for a stain. It's just HOW you go about being angry. When you had your outburst, it felt like you were yelling at every single one of us. If you just asked kindly who left the pizza/spilled something/whatever cause the stain, you ~might~ have had someone own up to it, or someone tell you who did it (I'm assuming you didn't). Instead, you yelled at the entire room (and I think it may have been caught on livestream, which is hilarious) and even when so far as to indicate violence, which in a room full of guys that are all a head taller than you with 2-3 stones worth of weight on you isn't really anything outside of entertaining and embarrassing.

It's like going after Iraq under the pretext of 9/11. Any sympathy you could have had was just wiped out in one fell swoop.

Again, I understand completely. I've had games, 2 DSs, countless controllers, and I ~think~ my $600 watch stolen while hosting/attending gatherings. It's infuriating. But making threats so broad as to even indicate that someone like Yang could have done it (obviously he didn't) is the absolute worst way to go about it.

I think I might be willing to do one more Zournament. Prices n such should be posted on SWF, along with any possible discounts. And there should be two livestreams, soz Melee/BB actually get some airtime. That would pretty much be the ****.

It actually is in the high tiers outside of metaknight. and some of the mid tiers are/would be quite viable as well

I've discussed this with a bunch of people. If you took out like... the top 8, Brawl would actually be pretty awesome on a competitive level. I mean, the game mechanics are still a little goofy, but it's incredibly well balanced and the lower tiered characters have some really cool tools that are just **** on by top tiers.

THIS

Also, 1nui is SO much better than me....lol

Maybe I'm on par with EC's bad MKs, or decent ones, but the good ones are on another level than me.

And I do still get enjoyment out of playing brawl. I just get 0 enjoyment out of tournament matches. Ever. I can't deal with stress in the slightest.

This may sound counter-intuitive, but if you're having anxiety problems, take a long break from the greens. No joke, most of my stress has gone away after quitting. Some of it is because I'm not stuck at Goodwill and I've started doing what I want with my life again (a jorb would be nice, though), but I honestly believe that consistent use of the stuff causes mild serotonin imbalances, which can lead to some pretty nasty anxiety/depression issues. Or maybe I was just using it as a sort of self-medication, and I've got it all wrong, I dunno.

I mean, I wasn't even really leaving the house outside work because of how much of a nervous cluster**** I was becoming. Plus, when you take a break for a week or so (in my experience) colors become brighter for a while, and you start to perceive things in a new new light. It's like being high again, but not detrimental at all to your health, mental or otherwise.

Or it could just be that you dun like playing Brawl competitively, I dunno. Lulz~

I kinda want to have a gathering of a sort tonight, but I dunno. Hrm...

 

[InterimOfZeal]

just wait a like a week and you'll be good, i passed plenty of urine tests with no problems ever.

if you're concerned about what would happen if you dont pass the worse they can do is not give you the job.

the only test you need to be concerned about is the hair follicle test but that ****'s expensive and unless you're going to work in some closed medical facility or something dont ever worry about it.

also, IF CS2 is the last in the series(i dont have to deal with buying first BB, CS1, CS2, CS3, etc) i will be picking it up to play for real. every new gen fighter out right now is mega slow or uninteresting to me. maybe i just havent played enough?

will probably not play Marvel 3 unless everyone else plays it FOR REAL which it prolly wont. like tim said that one day, i basically only play MvC2 cause yang doesnt have anyone to play it with.

finally, this may or may not be a bad thing but i'm actually at the point where getting a little buzzed is actually kinda enjoyable. although im still not used to the taste of just beer(seriously i hate it, or maybe its just the brand?), rum and mixed drinks with vodka are really good imo. im actually somewhat interested in other drinks as well.

I didn't really believe it when I was first told, but people are pretty much right - the more beer you drink, the more you come to appreciate the different tastes. We should drink soonish. If I had $, I'd say tonight, but maybe next Friday would work? Hopefully, I'll have $$$ by then.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MjGaatWb-A

 

[YangFuShang]

oh and steam i have ssf4 and bb but i don't play them regularly online

 

[Spelt]

I feel like i've been transported into the tier list thread.

 

[Rizen]

The coasts just have bigger smash scenes all around.

Just B-air and smash spam man~! :D

Lol, that's basically my G&W. It works if the opponent doesn't know their stuff.

 

[Timotee]

What do people want my opinion on? I wasn't really reading through everything.

 

[Steam]

@tony- I would love the top 8 being taken out : D especially if you bundle D3 in with the top 8 (because if you didn't he'd become the next MK) Lucario would be awsome and only lose to like fox. but he'd go even with like 10 characters lol

@dillon- me too tbh. I don't like pressure of tourney matches/ MMs. sometimes I do better when I think I'm going to lose because there's no pressure and nothing to really lose.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Lol, that's basically my G&W. It works if the opponent doesn't know their stuff.

I'll give ya a tip~! B-air spam cannot be punished by yoshi~! C: Thats why its such a **** match up~!

Oh but my buddy back in arizona was a really good G&W. He said something along the lines of "G&W is a one-dimensional character. Too be good at him on a pro level you have to be tricky, make your opponent fear everything you do."

I think by that he meant, G&W benefits from reading the opponent ALOT better then any other character. He kills so early. xD Sorry I don't know much about G&W but I hope that helps in the slightest~! :D

@dillon- me too tbh. I don't like pressure of tourney matches/ MMs. sometimes I do better when I think I'm going to lose because there's no pressure and nothing to really lose.

I do good in MM's and tourneys because im a greedy *******. :3
You guys just need to want the money hard enough! <3

 

[demonictoonlink]

I know. I ****ing hate being the one that's expected to win playing people that don't even expect that they can win. The pressure is so different.

Like I loved fighting m2k in tourney. I had 0 pressure to beat him, so I played my best and didn't get *****. I wanna be the underdog in a big scene, but we just never had enough people for that kind of scene to develop.

@Tony: I think you're right about taking a break. Man, it just seems like whenever I hang out with friends, that's what we do. I wish we had other activities that smoke and stroll around campus. BTW I'm living on campus next semester.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Alright i've already said this but.
Dylan don't put sooo much of your concern about winning man. Taking winning completely outta your mind, get it focused on just having fun.

I know its easier said then done. I find talking to the dood next to you an easy way to chill out when ya play.

 

[demonictoonlink]

That's not at all how you should play a competitive game. In tournament, you shouldn't be playing to have fun, you should be playing to win. Hopefully fun comes out of playing to win, which it sometimes does for me.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Bahaha!

I have fun to win dood.

What im saying here is if the thought of playing to win stresses you out, then get an different motive while playing. I play soooo much better when im not constantly thinking. I go by instinct dood, and read them naturally when im having fun. If you focus so hard on winning, to the point that you start making any mistakes its gonna get to ya, and its gonna throw you off.


Do what ever puts you in a good mood. Play for whatever gets you that "Damn im amazing at this" thought in your head. Whatever makes you confident that you're gonna win.

You get what im saying? The way you play is drastically based on how you're feeling.

 

[FishBait73]

Sooooo should I hold a smashfest then?

 

[Steam]

I know. I ****ing hate being the one that's expected to win playing people that don't even expect that they can win. The pressure is so different.

Like I loved fighting m2k in tourney. I had 0 pressure to beat him, so I played my best and didn't get *****. I wanna be the underdog in a big scene, but we just never had enough people for that kind of scene to develop.

I completely understand. I hate playing people I'm considered better than but are perfectly capable of beating me in tourney... lol at least in tourney. Friendlies are k.

though I don't really see the point in holding tournies anymore. It just restrics the ammount of matches we can play and makes Dave punch doors, Dillon get depressed, Steam john, Bees not play MKs... etc.

 

[Zajice]

And makes Zaj not play at all because he likes to keep his money, lol.

 

[Bees!]

Thats IT!!! From now on if there is an MK main at a smashfest they have to play me in at least 1 set in friendlies!

 

[Steam]

And makes Zaj not play at all because he likes to keep his money, lol.

That too. we can't play to improve since we're too busy playing to win

 

[CloudChaser071]

And there should be two livestreams, soz Melee/BB actually get some airtime. That would pretty much be the ****.

Noted. I got 2 machines perfectly capable of handling a stream. I also just yelled at Comcast and threatened to go to Qwest, so we got a noticeable boost in our service. Told them to stop limiting my damn packets.

I'll do some tests and see the quality I can get from the Dazzle. I'll also do some from splitting a component signal to a composite so we can have an HD stream with a CRT. Now that I think about it... we can use some of the money from Zournament Pt.2 and get a CRT with component... Hurrrrrr.

 

[demonictoonlink]

Damn, I really liked Steam's idea.

lol at Bees's interpretation of the idea.

 

[Rizen]

That's not at all how you should play a competitive game. In tournament, you shouldn't be playing to have fun, you should be playing to win.

It's not a job. Is a tourney reward worth making people depressed? From my experience, there is no winning if I don't have fun; I play worse and feel worse. Obviously I don't play Link to win but for fun. Sometimes I do win, often I don't but it's what I want to do. People say my Link's good.

For anyone, what character or winning/loosing should be secondary to what you want to do. That's my 2 cents.

That too. we can't play to improve since we're too busy playing to win

Lol, hell yeah. I suck when I stop playing for fun. Seriously.

 

[O'chunks]

Wow.... a bunch of the previous posts I've read are depressing. Is everyone okay now?

*quietly fades away*

 

[Timotee]

If you're in a Tournament, you should be trying to win it. There's nothing wrong with not playing to win, but in a tourney if you don't want to win, and won't attempt to overcome your limits, I don't want to play you.

 

[Mikezor]

 

[Rizen]

If you're in a Tournament, you should be trying to win it. There's nothing wrong with not playing to win,

Well, yeah. But if you (the player) are playing to win it should be what you want to do. You should always play to win but that's not the only reason.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Pffft. I don't have to think of winning to win. I just win. :3

But nooo. If you're in a tourney of course you're gonna be trying to win, naturally. Even if there more focused on just having fun that doesn't mean there not gonna be playing there hardest.

Yea I know im not making much sense, but I don't think about winning, I just have fun man. That doesn't mean I won't be playing my heart out though. =w=

 

[InterimOfZeal]

If you're in a Tournament, you should be trying to win it. There's nothing wrong with not playing to win, but in a tourney if you don't want to win, and won't attempt to overcome your limits, I don't want to play you.

I'm with this 100%. Playing with someone who doesn't try to improve is no fun to me. How am I supposed to get better if my opponent is the same every time I play them?

The only exception to this is SF. I can't get enough of people worse than me @ SF. Even then, I like playing people at or above my level.