Code Geass Mafia: OVAH

[Overswarm]

Hey Overswarm, I don't actually think you know that you can't post in the quick topic during the day. You would have called me on it sooner.

Cool story bro.


When you take fantastic leaps to come to conclusions

You end up like this:

You're making a few assumptions:

1) That all neighborhoods are the same and work like your neighborhood did
2) That I would call you out on an inconsistency with my OWN neighborhood and simply assume your neighborhood acted like mine
3) That I would "call you out" on anything on an immediate basis. That's not my style.
4) That I'm going to decode your horrible grasp on the English language


Looking back at this:

Overswarm, why don't you ask your neighbours to say something particular to breadcrumb a future neighbourhood claim today?

I realize you meant to say this:

Overswarm, why don't you ask your neighbours today to say something particular to breadcrumb a future neighbourhood claim?

Now I have to wonder if you planned to make it particularly obtuse, or if you just don't know how to type properly.

 

[Overswarm]

I think a scum buddy just remembered it and told you then. I don't think anyone would have left it so late to vote someone asking them to post in it during the day.

(inb4 "why would you say that" it's already been said in the thread)

+1 point to "poor grasp on the English language".

Seriously, is it your second language? If that's the case then I guess this is fine, but you need to learn basic sentence structure... and use of punctuation.

Because you would have wrote the above sentence like this:

Seriously is it your second language because if that is the case I guess that would be fine but you need to learn basic sentence structure and use punctuation.

 

[Overswarm]

You've disappeared, Summoner. I've got a few questions for you yet after your response.

 

[SummonerAU]

I dunno, I'm pretty sure they'd work all the same OS. I mean, unless the mod went out of his way to make them all different. Would you like to ask someone else in a neighbourhood to see if yours is indeed different? If it is different, I will accept being called an idiot and I will also accept any other insults that people feel inclined to toss(Yes, I do agree with you saying I made an assumption). At worst, if you are scum and you get a buddy to back you up, when one of you eventually get lynched (here's hoping), there will be a connection to follow.

Also, if you were looking back this

Overswarm, why didn't you call me on "Why don't you talk to your neighbours right now?"

would have also caught your attention, so even if what I said was mangled enough to not be understood (pretty sure you can still see that I meant today) this question would have been enough.

Oh, no I'm here, I'm just thinking about what you said. I'd be pretty silly if I didn't. What you are saying is true, I have made assumptions about the rest of the neighbourhoods based on my own. I don't see why the other neighbourhoods would be different. I also think that if there are indeed neighbourhoods that can speak at day, it would have come up during the D1 talk of it.

 

[Overswarm]

I dunno, I'm pretty sure they'd work all the same OS. I mean, unless the mod went out of his way to make them all different. Would you like to ask someone else in a neighbourhood to see if yours is indeed different? If it is different, I will accept being called an idiot and I will also accept any other insults that people feel inclined to toss(Yes, I do agree with you saying I made an assumption). At worst, if you are scum and you get a buddy to back you up, when one of you eventually get lynched (here's hoping), there will be a connection to follow.

Way to make another assumption. I'm not telling you whether my neighborhood is similar or different because, news flash, not all neighborhoods have to be created equal. If one neighborhood has special qualities to it, it could very well be housing a power role(s) or have an ability in of itself.

But your new assumption? That having a different neighborhood type would be a sure-fire way to confirm mafia. Let's say I was scum and said my neighborhood was different, and I could confirm it by someone else saying it was different. Later I get lynched and am flipping scum.

Where in that scenario does it say the other person in my neighborhood was scum? It would just lead to an automatic townie lynch upon my death, granting a free NKill for scum.


Making a few assumptions is important in mafia, but you're making gigantic leaps that seriously throws into question your competence. I have always been under the impression that you're going off of hunches for most of your "scum reads" (I'm right), but I didn't think you actually thought they had a solid backing in logic. That worries me.

Overswarm, why didn't you call me on "Why don't you talk to your neighbours right now?"

That did catch my attention. I said "What?" to request further clarification. It's kinda how we got to where we are now.

Oh, no I'm here, I'm just thinking about what you said. I'd be pretty silly if I didn't. What you are saying is true, I have made assumptions about the rest of the neighbourhoods based on my own. I don't see why the other neighbourhoods would be different. I also think that if there are indeed neighbourhoods that can speak at day, it would have come up during the D1 talk of it.

You are like... the assumption king.

 

[Overswarm]

You know what is pissing me off?

How I have a list of players saved on this computer that just says

Dumb/Scum:

Likely Scum (plus info):

Likley Town (plus info):

and the middle area is completely blank.

 

[Overswarm]

SummonerAU, would you like to play a game?

 

[SummonerAU]

I love games

Still replying to your last post but I'd thought I'd reply to this to give you the time to post.

 

[Overswarm]

Cool.

Who's going first, you or me?

 

[SummonerAU]

You. I can't go first if I don't know how to play.

 

[Overswarm]

Okay, I chose....

-rei-


For you!

Now you choose someone for me.

 

[SummonerAU]

Gheb

wheeee

trying to find a certain post from D1 is hell.

 

[Overswarm]

Alright.

Here's the game:

You have to look up -Rei-'s posts from the beginning of the game until now and make a full review of what you think. If you think they're scum, you say so. If you think they're town, you say so. If you are unsure, you say so. Try to note any connections they seem to have, and people they seem to be consciously ignoring.


Make sure to include quotes with post links in them so people can check yer work, and do a good job!


Imma look up Gheb and do the same.

 

[SummonerAU]

Way to make another assumption. I'm not telling you whether my neighborhood is similar or different because, news flash, not all neighborhoods have to be created equal. If one neighborhood has special qualities to it, it could very well be housing a power role(s) or have an ability in of itself.

Then I wouldn't think that those neighbourhoods would contain scum. I wouldn't think that having an all town neighbourhood with special ability/PR wouldn't be balanced. Thus, it makes it 'easier' for these people in the neighbourhoods.

But your new assumption? That having a different neighborhood type would be a sure-fire way to confirm mafia. Let's say I was scum and said my neighborhood was different, and I could confirm it by someone else saying it was different. Later I get lynched and am flipping scum.

Where in that scenario does it say the other person in my neighborhood was scum? It would just lead to an automatic townie lynch upon my death, granting a free NKill for scum.

It's easier enough to confirm if all the neighbourhoods have the same discussion times. If all of them are the same bar yours, I would be happy to lynch someone else in that neighbourhood. I would think it was a little too co-incidental. If they aren't all the same, then I don't have anything anyway so I don't see why the other person would be lynched. All that needs to happen is for someone in a different neighbourhood to you confirms it and then a second person to just say that they are in a neighbourhood with day posting and then I would be happy with that. You said that the mod could have left an easy way to find scum with the neighbourhood system sometime D1. Could this not be a way to find out if this is the case? (I also recall somebody saying that they think all the neighbourhoods are likely the same size. I think it might have been you but I'm fuzzy on who it was. If it was you, isn't it just as big an assumption to make about neighbourhoods?)

That did catch my attention. I said "What?" to request further clarification. It's kinda how we got to where we are now.

I believe most people would have realised that my previous question was asking the same thing if they caught onto it here.

Can you communicate at day with your neighbourhood?

Also, I forgot to do this in my last post Vote: Overswarm

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Fun game.

I'll be a little delayed due to sleeping. I'll probably wake up in around 9-10 hours and I'll be doing it on and off during the day.

10 minutes to ask me anything else before I go to bed.

 

[Overswarm]

I also recall somebody saying that they think all the neighbourhoods are likely the same size. I think it might have been you but I'm fuzzy on who it was. If it was you, isn't it just as big an assumption to make about neighbourhoods?

There are three in my neighborhood, and there are three confirmed in yours. That's not a coincidence.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@Rockin: Why do you think that I'm having a hard time finding Gheb to be town?

@Meta Kirby: I don't really like your defense for why you didn't vote for Vult. With that kind of attitude, of course we could never get someone lynched. I mean, you MIGHT as well place your vote on someone, even if they don't get lynched, as it's not going to do any harm.

 

[Overswarm]

I mean, you MIGHT as well place your vote on someone, even if they don't get lynched, as it's not going to do any harm.

This doesn't make any ****ing sense

 

[Rockin]

@Rockin: Why do you think that I'm having a hard time finding Gheb to be town?

That's what I want to know, actually. What kind of things do you find Gheb scummy for? So far, I don't see it.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Err. . . What I mean is why do you think I think Gheb is scum? Are you talking about what I said about him earlier?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

This doesn't make any ****ing sense

You misinterpret me. I was talking about Meta Kirby's case specifically. He said that he was fine lynching Vult (amoung several people) Day 1 but didn't vote. As you've seen, I have called him out on this and asked him why he didn't vote for Vult, who had a fairly large bandwagon on him. He responded that he thought Vult wasn't within lynching range, and to that response was what I was. . . err. . . responding to. <_< If he was fine with a lynch of Vult (or really, anyone that he thought was scummy) then he might as well place a vote on one of them, even if they don't get lynched. I don't see why thinking that a person wasn't in lynch range is any excuse to not use your vote.

 

[Rockin]

Err. . . What I mean is why do you think I think Gheb is scum? Are you talking about what I said about him earlier?

Ah. sorry. lol

http://www.smashboards.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=10403556

I just felt that in this post, you either found it suspicious that he was right or..you just don't want to trust him.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Uh, the link leads to a quote in a reply. >_>

Is this what you're talking about?

Post 903:

Huh. Gheb, you seem pretty sure of yourself when you say that you were convinced both Vult and Seph were town. Both of them were yesterDays top two lynch candidates. While at the very least you were correct about Vult, it still seems odd that you were quite convinced of the innocence of BOTH players that, by everyone else's standards, were the scummiest.

 

[Rockin]

Uh, the link leads to a quote in a reply. >_>

Is this what you're talking about?

Post 903:

yeah, sorry

man I am fail...

 

[Overswarm]

holy crap

Gheb_01

​

Light confrontations:
Sephiroth Masamune (multiple times)
Rockin (in regards to Ermac's inactivity)
KevinM (in regards to lynching Sephiroths Masamune http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10331607&postcount=734)

Confrontations:
adumbrodeus (all freaking game)

Overswarm (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10270721&postcount=261)

Rockin (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10287548&postcount=370)

SummonerAU (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10301836&postcount=502)

FoS:
SummonerAU (no reasoning)

Votes:
adumbrodeus
Blue Yoshi
Ermac
Sworddancer

Slightly buddying/pairing up with:
Gustave
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10263372&postcount=159

Meta-Kirby
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10281288&postcount=331

KevinM
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10285384&postcount=335

Openly buddying/pairing up with:

Openly defending:
Vult R
Rei (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10270672&postcount=260)
Sephiroths Masamune (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10331418&postcount=730)

Who has Gheb interacted with:

Players he has interacted with in some way (defending, attacking, buddying, strong commenting, etc.) are bolded.

2. Exn replaces xonar d1 <-------- only one without much discussion
3. meta-kirby
4. overswarm
5. sephiroths masamune
7. adumbrodeus
8. sworddancer.
9. -rei-
10. gheb_01
11. rockin replaces gustave d1
12. summonerau
13. kevinm
14. blue yoshi
15. dark_ermac


Notes:

Gheb claims to not be Town Mason. (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10270810&postcount=266)

Gheb pushes hard for a lynch on adumbrodeus, but claims he doesn't want a quicklynch... but describes a quick lynch in all but name when it comes to what he wants.

Gheb claims that walls of text are anti-town. Specifically mentoins that Overswarm, Frozen, and Adum should lower the size of their posts.

Gheb doesn't post in his pink color: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10281288&postcount=331 (lol)


Gheb starts his confrontations off with adumbrodeus here (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10263252&postcount=154). I don't agree with Gheb's approach to this, at all. His post is basically "I mean, COME ON" and then votes. Not helpful, and reminds me of KevinM.

An aside: Looking back, I'm wondering about adumbrodeus with Gheb's comments. I'd like to have someone in adumbrodeus' neighborhood claim to be neighbored with him if possible, as adumbrodeus openly stated to be ignorant of what a neighborhood was. This isn't out of character for him (I've modded two games he's participated in), but it is something we can easily check up on. Does anyone disagree with asking for ONE of adumbrodeus' neighbors to claim neighborhood with adumbrodeus?

Gheb finally steers away from adumbrodeus for a while around this post (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10286001&postcount=338) where he asks me what I think of SummonerAU. He then asks for anyone's opinions on Meta-Kirby and Blue Yoshi, citing inactivity/uselessness of the players.

[gustave requests replacement, is replaced by Rockin]

Gheb, in http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10287548&postcount=370, immediately says he's fine with lynching Rockin' at any time. Does not post reasoning.

Gheb then defends Vult again but does not explain why http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10288570&postcount=381


Gheb continues to bicker with Sephiroths Masamune, but has no vote on him still and simply asks questions.

Gheb then quotes KevinM's claim of "sworddancer is the way to go" and says he'd want to kill Sworddancer, Meta-Kirby, Blue Yoshi followed by Xonar and Ermac. He then defends Adum by saying he's "probably just way off with his scumhunting". http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10293386&postcount=413

Gheb is completely against the neighborhood claim by Rei, a popular point of discussion at this point. http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10296733&postcount=429

Gheb then references Sephiroth Masamune's confusion on his role (tracker or cop?), and has a few comments with several players. http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10301352&postcount=500

Gheb has a confrontation with me again here (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10302064&postcount=506). Refuses to answer neighborhood questions, says "vult is town" again, and says he is suspicious of Adum, Sworddancer, and Meta-Kirby. (I limited him to three, these are what he chose)

Follows this up with a post saying "wouldn't be opposed to just lynch BY either as I said earlier"

Gheb then confirms he's in a neighborhood, then says he doubts that with Xivii as the co-designer that there would be a gap in the game that would leave all the mafia members outside of a neighborhood with everyone else in them. http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10302085&postcount=513


Gheb talks with frozenflame (confirmed townie) and agrees with flame's interpretation of sephirtoh's mistake. specifically, that sephiroth was given an unclear safe claim or made up a fake claim on is own and messed it up.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10305574&postcount=545

Gheb then notes that the Day is coming to an end, and goes after BY again.

Gheb then posts things around here http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10306231&postcount=571 that defends Sephiroth's wagon-hopping and asks for thoughts on Dark_Ermac due to his inactivity.

Summoner brings back up the Sephiroth Masamune role error here: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10309541&postcount=594 and Gheb answers as to how someone could confuse them, then promptly votes for Ermac. Gheb is FoS'd by Summoner

Asks to lynch Ermac and call it a day.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10312789&postcount=616

Supports that sentiment here:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10312789&postcount=616



Sephiroths Masamune makes this post:

Overswarm= Vult, Ermac
Blue Yoshi= Vult, Ermac
Sephiroths Masamune= Vult, anyone inactive.
FrozenFlame751= Seph, adum
Sworddancer.= Vult, Blue Yoshi
-Rei-= Vult, sword dancer
KevinM= sword, Seph
Adum= Vult, Blue Yoshi
Meta-Kirby= vult, Seph
Gheb_01= Ermac
SummonerAU = Gheb, Blue Yoshi
Vult Redux = Sword
Exn = Gheb, Vult, Seph

Vult=8
Ermack=4*
Seph=4
BYoshi=4*
sword=4*
Gheb=2
adum=1

*=Seph thinks they are inactive.

So far, Rockin, dark_ermac have not posted their views.

Gheb then claims he wants to lynch adum because he thinks he is scum, but that it'd hurt the game overall so he'd rather lynch someone who's hurting the game for now. (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10324027&postcount=672)

He then promptly defends Vult again.

He also blasts Ermac for blatant inactivity, and has a minor clash with Rockin in this regard when Rockin defends him.

Rockin confirms he is a neighbor with Ermac

(this is important, as Rockin can confirm Ermac's activity at a later date, and vice versa. They're both fairly inactive players)

Gheb references a vig in passing, prompting him to shoot one of the "many targets".

Gheb openly says "I don't get Sephy as scum at all", then defends Seph from a mild KevinM attack. http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10331607&postcount=734



Gheb makes his 2nd non-pink post (lol)
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10336088&postcount=760

In it, he says the hammer (my vote) was dumb... but it wasn't a hammer. Just a mistake. From this point, Gheb stops posting in pink (but continues to post his arcanine! A SCUM TELL?! I THINK SO)

Gheb questions adumbrodeus on his mafia expertise.

Gheb asks to lynch Sworddancer, Ermac, or BY (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10338046&postcount=776)

Shortly after, claims he should have gone after adumbrodeus harder.

Continues to banter with adumbrodeus hardcore.

Gheb proclaims he won't vote for someone he thinks is town (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10347799&postcount=873) and this is currently backed up by his vote on dark_ermac at the end of the Day.

DAY 2 STARTS

Gheb starts it off by voting for Blue Yoshi (followed by an automatic vote back at Gheb by BY)

Gheb kind of has a downward spiral at this point and doesn't really seem to be putting too much effort into the game. It's more "omg you guys are awful" type of stuff.

Gheb comes back into the game with this gem:

That's some massive WIFOM. Not going after a doomed townie = easy way for scum to look credible later. It's easy for a mafiosi - somebody who knows the rest of the mafia - to say "hey XY is town" when he already knows. Huge reasons why contradictions aren't scumtells. It's easier for scum to be consistent.

From http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10390598&postcount=968

(This post in particular strikes me as scummy, as it would be exactly what he's doing)

Gheb asks for a lynch of Sworddancer, Blue Yoshi, Ermac, Rockin and Adum here: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10394450&postcount=979

Gheb says that D2 is stalling as his final post, and asks for "an alliance" with KevinM.

CONCLUSION​

Gheb is leaning town for me.

Should certain people flip scum, I'd go after Gheb immediately, but for now he seems pretty consistent while still not limiting himself as to who he hunts. Gheb's play could be mafia, but if it was he'd end up bussing a mafia member or outing himself so I'm A-OK with him being alive at the moment.

I can go into more detail if you guys would like, but I'd prefer to keep things close to the chest until my brain stops hurting and I get comments on this.

Questions for Gheb​

Gheb, please post your thoughts on Exn/Xonar (Exn is Xonar's replacement).

Gheb, why do you want an alliance with KevinM?

Gheb, who do you think KevinM is wrong about? Why do you think KevinM thinks that person is scum when you do not?

Gheb, why did Summoner receive a FoS but everyone else you looked at a Vote?











If anyone has any questions for me, lemme know. I didn't really proofread this that well as it took a bit to do and I just... won't do it.

unvote vote Blue Yoshi

 

[Overswarm]

oh, add "KevinM" to the "openly buddying/pairing up with" part.

Also I expect similar results from you, Summoner!

 

[#HBC | marshy]

vote count

blue yoshi (3) - gheb_01 kevinm overswarm
overswarm (1) - summonerau
meta-kirby (4) - exn sworddancer. adumbrodeus blue yoshi
summonerau (1) - sephiroths masamune

not voting (4) - meta-kirby -rei- rockin dark_ermac

with 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!
deadline is the last second of 6/6 est!

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb, please post your thoughts on Exn/Xonar (Exn is Xonar's replacement).

Truth to be told, I tend to largely ignore Xonar in these games and as a result I have no read on him. I will however for the sake of stepping it up again do a reread and come up with some thoughts - on him in particular.

Gheb, why do you want an alliance with KevinM?

I think he's town and right about most stuff (for exceptions look below).

Gheb, who do you think KevinM is wrong about? Why do you think KevinM thinks that person is scum when you do not?

I think he's wrong about Seph. His reasoning doesn't make sense to me. As far as I'm aware Kevin finds Seph's voting pattern scummy but I don't see how this is the case. A townie is supposed to use his vote and that's what he does.

Gheb, why did Summoner receive a FoS but everyone else you looked at a Vote?

I will go into detail when I post stuff about Xonexn.

 

[adumbrodeus]

An aside: Looking back, I'm wondering about adumbrodeus with Gheb's comments. I'd like to have someone in adumbrodeus' neighborhood claim to be neighbored with him if possible, as adumbrodeus openly stated to be ignorant of what a neighborhood was. This isn't out of character for him (I've modded two games he's participated in), but it is something we can easily check up on. Does anyone disagree with asking for ONE of adumbrodeus' neighbors to claim neighborhood with adumbrodeus?

I'd prefer you didn't out my other neighbor/neighbors.

Rei already claimed neighborhood with me.




Sworddancer, summoner, Rockin, Blueyoshi, I haven't seen much useful out of you guys.


Please answer these questions.

Who are your top 3 scum choices and why?

Who are your top 3 town choices and why?



Metakirby, you still owe me an answer.

 

[Overswarm]

I'd prefer you didn't out my other neighbor/neighbors.

Rei already claimed neighborhood with me.

That's good enough for me. Just needed a confirmation.

 

[Rockin]

Sworddancer, summoner, Rockin, Blueyoshi, I haven't seen much useful out of you guys.

Sorry. Difficult to contribute when I don't find a lot of people really scummy or dunno where to look. >>

Please answer these questions.

Who are your top 3 scum choices and why?

Who are your top 3 town choices and why?

As far as scum, I can only give out one. Sorry, I just can't find anyone else I have found strikingly odd (I Blame the fact that this is the first/second time I'm playing against said new people).

Meta Kirby - I'm not liking how he's responding to something that should be a simple question. It just seems like he's either trying to dodge it or something. The attitude tone doesn't help me believe he's town.

however, as far as town

Gheb - Liking how he's contributing into the game as well as the way he's been playing seems town to me. Nothing thus far has striked me as odd

KevinM - also good contributer. The guy is moving around in terms of votes, but makes not of who he mainly feel is scummy (so far it's swords. Still waiting for his reason about wanting to lynch OS).

Argh...don't know anyone else that I know/feel is town. I want to say Exn, but's too early. I gotta see how he plays a bit more. Everyone else is neutral.

sorry if the amount of town/scum you wanted to know is small. I can't get a read on a lot of people T_T;;

 

[Overswarm]

Sorry. Difficult to contribute when I don't find a lot of people really scummy or dunno where to look. >>

See my post on Gheb?

Your assignment is KevinM. Shouldn't be too hard, he doesn't post much.

Go.

 

[Rockin]

See my post on Gheb?

Your assignment is KevinM. Shouldn't be too hard, he doesn't post much.

Go.

err, wait.

what do want me to do? o.o

 

[Overswarm]

err, wait.

what do want me to do? o.o

See my big whoppin' post on Gheb? You do one on KevinM. Just like that. Summoner is getting Rei.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Well... I have a thought on my neighbors... but I don't want to reveal who they are. One I find to be town for reasons I don't want to explain (neighborhood reasons), and one I found suspicious at the time (he was not active at all during the night... meaning he did not take part on conversations at all). He made maybe one useful post during the night... but nothing otherwise. We had some pretty important conversations as well, which he knew about but took no part in it. So... basically useless that night. But what makes me even more suspicious of him is that as soon as night is over, he's one of the most active people in this thread, making many town-like posts... so... where was he during the night? I can see him going either way... but... well... don't know.

I'm not revealing who either one of these two are, as I see no need to reveal my neighborhood... (but... well, at least my neighborhood will know where I stand on each of them).

Otherwise, excluding the night phase, here's who I think is scummy or townie (may or may not include my neighbors):

Scum:

Meta Kirby - Unless I'm mistaken, he has made very few useful posts... and hasn't really helped town at all.

Dark_Ermac - absolutely useless basically all game, has made very few (if any) posts.



To be honest, no one (other than my neighbor... even then not 100%) strikes me as town.



And to my neighbors, lets not discuss it here, lets wait until night again (my neighborhood only talks at night).

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Skipping all "worthless" posts (Xonar tends to write lots of them)

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10268157&postcount=224
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10268213&postcount=225

224 and 225 are the first posts that can be even considered "contributions". First he said he doesn't see Adum as scum but doesn't point out why. Well, I can already guess why he'd think so but he's probably wrong and I'm not going to point it out either because it hurts town more than it helps. Post 225 is somewhat phony / hypocritical because he's not doing any scumhunting himself. Seems to be a meta-thingy as well. Not fond of it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10270959&postcount=275

275 looks like he's defending me. Not hard to look smart when everybody's being idiotic about the quicklynch thing. I'd treat it as null.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10271201&postcount=282
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10271433&postcount=286

Kind of annoying how he's attacking Guus / Gustave. First of all Xonar's been more worthless than him and second of all there are plenty of other useless players. Looks like selective scumhunting aka going after an easy target. A lot of that looks like feigning activity and 286 is a weak justification for that. Potentially scummy.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10286835&postcount=354

That's a lot of WIFOM - not to argue a particular point but to defend somebody. I'm not fond of this post and if I didn't know Xonar I'd say it's pretty scummy. Since it's Xonar it's probably not.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10304160&postcount=535

Next decent post takes a while. That's too weak for scum to do >_<
In all seriousness though I don't know what to think about it. At first I was worried about that confusion too but it also looks like kneejerk decision. Very questionable content once again.


That's pretty much all that's useful about Xonar I could find. Then Exn replaced in...

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10322596&postcount=657

Backpedaling older issues ... meh. The whole quicklynch story is just dumb dumb dumb. Basically a little summary of his thoughts but not actually taking a genuine stance...


I'm not gonna lie, after reading through these posts so far I kind of understand why I felt like giving up. These posts are empty - no content and if there is content it's not a genuine stance. Play like that destroys the town. I doubt we'll win this with so many failures around.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And tbh I got sick of even readinf Xonar / Exn because it's all p. much worthless.

BY, you don't make sense. You voted me earlier but don't think I'm scum now?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

to be honest, no one (other than my neighbor... Even then not 100%) strikes me as town.

+1

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Uh OS, Rei made the role error not me. Rei thought he was the cop and it turned out he was a tracker.

Are you just skimming?

 

[Blue Yoshi]

BY, you don't make sense. You voted me earlier but don't think I'm scum now?

I do still find you suspicious, but not nearly as much as the ones mentioned.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

bum p