Clone and Cloned mains.

[Dragoon Fighter]

Alright, the purpose of this thread is to answer a question I have been thinking of recently of the 6 different clone pairs what are the two most difficult to main both at the same time? Who are the easiest? Also why are the answers you are giving the way they are, is it technical or is it just the clones play to differently?

 

[Jim Morrison]

pikachu and pichu gl placing when you're not axe

 

[Merkuri]

pikachu and pichu gl placing when you're not axe

That's the wrong kind of attitude. It should be if Axe can place well then so can the rest of us.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

i'd say marios are easiest to play as both that or space animals pichu and pikachu for whatever reason are the hardest to main both.

also nana mains f***ed up because the cpu popo is dumber than the cpu nana.

 

[TheGoat]

also nana mains f***ed up because the cpu popo is dumber than the cpu nana.

Whoa really.

 

[Kason Birdman]

I dont know if i would trust him on that fact lol.

And IMO two hardest clones to main at same time are fox/falco (at a higher level of play) and pika/pichu (because thats what everyone else said and I want to fit in)

 

[Stratocaster]

I don't see why people think fox/falco is a hard combination, considering there are TONS of people who do that. Take the NC power rankings... 3 people of 10 main both. Don't give me "at a higher level of play" cause at a higher level its always harder to be good w/ more than 1 character

I main Falcon and don't touch Ganon personally because he's sooo different. I think Magus plays both, but I don't know of anyone else who does. It's a serious change of pace, combos, strategy, and style. They have much different fall speed, run speed, completely different fairs, etc.

 

[Kason Birdman]

Ok i guess saying higher level of play is wording it wrong. I suppose what i ment was depending on the level of tech skill and limitations of tech skill of the player (and play style also), it can be hard to main both of them. depending on how you play either fox or falco you can play both. but to be very technically aggresive with both i think is a challenge. lately i have been able to handle the change in everthing between the two better though..
All it is is the two characters take different timing to do a lot of things. and one way to get good at those things is to memorize the timing and get it put into your brain that thats the time you are givin to do things and how fast you have to do them ect, so switching between two timings and trying to memorize two different timings is challenging.

 

[Korrupshen]

Whoa really.

A long time ago when I still played brawl I killed Popo, and Nana taunted for his death and I'm like WTF.

 

[soju]

i'd say marios are easiest to play as both that or space animals pichu and pikachu for whatever reason are the hardest to main both.

also nana mains f***ed up because the cpu popo is dumber than the cpu nana.

oh gawd my dreams of being a young female ****** in a pink parka with a twin brother and matching blue parka have been shattered, well I guess I can be happy being an electric rodent

*and pichu/pikachu are indeed the hardest since people like to play both with the same style when theyre both really really different. . .

 

[Shoopman]

I main Falcon and don't touch Ganon personally because he's sooo different. I think Magus plays both, but I don't know of anyone else who does. It's a serious change of pace, combos, strategy, and style. They have much different fall speed, run speed, completely different fairs, etc.

I feel you on this. I play Ganon on the side, but I never touch Falcon. Just too different.
Also, Kage whipped out his Falcon at Apex, but if he actually seriously plays him I don't know.

 

[Rooktionary]

I think Link and Y. Link are pretty similar. The two spacies have really different playstyles, but they arent hard to pick up.

 

[soju]

I think Link and Y. Link are pretty similar. The two spacies have really different playstyles, but they arent hard to pick up.

. . . Link & Y.Link similar? boi you be smoking crack! tell you what, play 1 hour as link, then switch to y. link. . .yeah i told you so

 

[darkoblivion12]

Roy and marth are really hard to switch between. It takes like 10 games before I've got one or the other working right. Plus they have the largest difference in tier as compared to any of the other clones.

 

[Rubyiris]

if you can't competently switch between fox and falco you're garbage.

 

[Pi]

ganon/falcon is probably the hardest clone to switch between
Their range of attacks, duration of atacks, how the attacks act, combo's, speed, etc. are all really different

with the mario's, and fox and falco, and to some extent roy/marth & pikachu/pichu
most of their moves have the same range/timing, and require only minute adjustment.
Although most of the combo's w/ these characters do vary, mario/doc probably vary the least
I don't know and don't really care about pichu in any way shape or form so I haven't any knowledge of any -combo's- it might have, so forgive me if pikachu and pichu play the same.

link and young link have projectiles that act the same, so that aspect of the playstyles carries over quite well between the two, again, minute differences.
As far as their melee attacks though, there is probably some significant differences there

also to comment on the fox/falco thing
both characters are very viable, good, solid characters
so maining both characters, as in having both a legit tourney viable fox and falco, doesn't directly reflect the similarity of them as clone characters.

I maintain they both have very different combo's & playstyles, and that they are probably the two most different clones aside from ganon/falcon.

Having a tourney viable fox & falco is like having a tourney viable marth & fox, or sheik & marth, or sheik & fox.
They're all good characters, it's not hard to do as well with both of them if you're a good player.

Doing well with marth & roy on the other hand, it something you won't often see.

 

[X1-12]

mario and doc are prolly the most similar clones

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

it's really hard to say which of the clones are the most silmar because every single move but throws are different for mario and dr. mario so dr. mario has better air speed. so what they in fact have in common 100% are the following: throws, grabs, pummel, WD, DD, height, falling speed, sheild and then EVERY THING about them is a little bit different from f-tilt to f-smash.

dr. mario's f-tilt is faster.

piachu and pikachu the following are the smae not counting self damage nor range ,but if there is a different use than it doesn't count. pummel, jab,f-tilt, d-tilt, jolt, all but upair(not counting the fact pichu has much less lag for all of them from 13 frames of lag to only 7 for bair) If you want to count the fact that that pichu's air moves for much faster and range than there is nothing the smae as them.

also pichu's fair would be totally different because he can legitly combo with it with more moves. and safer vs sheilds. like pikachu could safly fair peach's sheild and start jabbing the F*** out of it.


also something i'd like to note other than marth/roy all the clones seem to have at least one had a walljump. maybe for a bit of balnce I geuss.

also pichu is much more techical thann pikachu, more defenceive, better grab game, overall better air game, faster, harder to hit in everyway but range spaceing, harder time breaking walls, but small size makes it worlds easier than it is for bowser which more range.

pikachu better gimps, upwards kill power but lacks some of that side killing power, more range, worse defnce but more for offence, can take hits worlds better.

 

[Jim Morrison]

That's the wrong kind of attitude. It should be if Axe can place well then so can the rest of us.

im assuming you're not from AZ, so you dont have super saiyan powers like they have.

 

[Rooktionary]

im assuming you're not from az, so you dont have super saiyan powers like they have.

hoooah arizona

 

[Pengie]

Aside from Doc/Mario all of the clones are pretty hard to switch between. I use to find myself lasering like Falco with Fox as well a always approaching with dair and getting punished when i gets shielded. Falcon and Ganon are probably pretty hard to switch between because of how radically different they are. Other than those, the remaining clones are so awful that any switching between them is pretty lulzy.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Well if you don't know them charcters then yeah it's hard. I know fox with nait falco with dair I fI didn't know falco it would be hard same for the marios.

but if you know both like the basic idea pikachu/ pichu are still the hardest by far. my gannon and falcon are on par and I understand both.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

fox and falco have the largest combined tier (hard to beat since they are both top5 characters). pikachu/pichu have the lowest.

As far as differences in playstyles, while everything is definitely relative to the player, i think as far as tech differences between the characters marth and roy would definitely be among the hardest. With the other clones the same moves can be used at the same time (as far as spacing goes) but with marth and roy the spacings are totally different which really changes your zoning. Not to mention the difference of having one floaty characters and one fast faller and someone who can actually upb back to the stage and one who cant lol.

But the difference between falcon's speed and ganon's slowness is pretty exceptional too... but im biased and don't have a problem switching between them

 

[Problem2]

Link and Y.Link are extremely hard to switch between. KhinT's view saying that they both have projectiles is an extremely generalizing term. Both Link and Y.Link's projectiles function differently. Y.Link has less range on his boomerang, but sharper angles, and his bombs are smaller, but actually pack a bigger punch and combo out of easier.

Let's not also mention that their mobility is completely different. Their size is completely different, and their combos, set ups, pretty much everything is different.

They're just similar enough to trip you up when you accidentally play one like he's the other character. On top of this, most Link/Y.Link players actually do have a lot of trouble playing as the other clone.

 

[mastermoo420]

. . . Link & Y.Link similar? boi you be smoking crack! tell you what, play 1 hour as link, then switch to y. link. . .yeah i told you so

That's 'cuz YL is top tier... in Cambodia.

 

[edgeluca]

I can play a decent roy, with my main being marth. I think Mario/Doc are the easiest.

 

[Geist]

I was practicing with Doc once only to find my Mario had become better behind my back.
So, not them.

I'd say Falcon/Ganon or YL/Link, because they honestly might as well not be considered clones the way they play.

 

[mhenlo]

my friend mains roy and says its really easy to switch to marth. its probably just because hes using a much better char though

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

my friend mains roy

lolz

 

[vZakat]

I think the easiest would be mario/doc then link/young link. Spacies are pretty easy to get used to the differences and pichu/pika aren't that hard either. I think that Marth/Roy are the hardest to main both because spacing is so different with each one. Not to mention that they are the farthest apart tier wise.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

I totally understand pikachu and can easily do all his tech skill but to play as him after pichu is harder for me than going from fox to bowser.

 

[Dark Hart]

I don't see why people think fox/falco is a hard combination, considering there are TONS of people who do that. Take the NC power rankings... 3 people of 10 main both. Don't give me "at a higher level of play" cause at a higher level its always harder to be good w/ more than 1 character

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