Chibo's Videos For The Masses Rule

[CT Chia]

Chibo here, long time TO. I run tournaments all the time and as much as putting restrictions on things and having tons of rules at tournaments, they are needed. Not all have to be limiting and arguable like the current debate over stalling, such as my Chibo's Color Blind Rule that I started back when Brawl came out. The rule (helping solve confusion in teams colors in Brawl) caught on and has been implemented into the SBR Ruleset, and it is being used in many tournies today (even by name!).

I'm back with another rule I feel is necessary that all TO's should consider using, Chibo's Videos For The Masses Rule. The background for this comes after the fiasco of CoT4. While there was nothing I could do at the time since the rule wasn't in place and I had promised M2K to not put matches up if he didn't want them to be, I realized this was not the right way to go about this.

Here is the rule:

Chibo's Videos For The Masses Rule: By entering the tournament you agree to have any tournament matches be recorded if possible, and be uploaded without the need for consent by the players in the match. The only time a match can be requested not to be uploaded is with extraordinary occurrences such as a power outage during the match. Failure to abide by this rule can result in a DQ for a tournament match. It is also the hosts responsibility to post all videos that gets recorded if possible.

Reasoning: I believe that if players attend tournaments and play with the potential ability to win money at the expense of the community, the community is allowed to watch matches that are part of these tournaments that had money on the line.

The wording may change slightly in the future (though I think I nailed it this time) and it is currently being used at all of my future tournaments.

Thoughts?

 

[AlphaZealot]

Agreed. I don't think you need a rule about it because I think legally its public "information" however yea, stating it would curb confusion.

In other words: don't let people horde videos. IE M2K.

 

[skaterbaj]

I dont even have any vids of me brawlin online lol. but i think this is a good rule and i dont think people should care if there video gets put up..all the more reason to get better if you lose

 

[cutter]

I've never had a problem with having my tournament matches get uploaded, and other players haven't had that problem either.

The community SHOULD have the right to watch the matches.

I would definately be fine with this rule

 

[Anth0ny]

I most certainly agree with this rule.

You might as well call it the "M2K rule" though lol.

 

[Roxas215]

i am deftinaley cosigning this rule. But yea you might as well call it the m2k rule as he is the only person i know who requests not to have their videos uploaded.

 

[pockyD]

this has been an unwritten rule forever

 

[CT Chia]

its a lil different with the advent of brawl and replays

 

[ColinJF]

This is a great rule. However, it remains to be seen whether anybody but the most notable TOs will be able to resist the pressure to remove such a rule when asked by some notable player who is considering attending his tournament. At the very least this will ensure videos from the biggest tournaments are released.

 

[CT Chia]

The top players won't consider entering the tourney. The top players obviously are in it somewhat to win money, and I doubt having videos online will stop them. Also, the more ppl that accept this rule gives them less options.

 

[bobson]

I give this rule my highly valued approval.

 

[Mew2King]

ummm no I don't like this because you already lost all the stuff from the grand finals of the tourney where I destroyed Ally (I know it was Keitaro's fault but still) so I don't like this at all because it's unfair to what happened in the past. That's like having OC3 finals put up while FCD gets lost..... OH WAIT

you lost the grand finals where i think i beat ally what... 2 stock low/mid % all 3 games or something, and I or no one can't view them ever, so what if I do bad next time. Then I look bad. If I do good, people just copy. It's gay either way, which is why I don't like brawl stuff online. Do bad people judge you do good people copy (AND blame everything on metaknight). Gay and more gay. THAT'S why I hate brawl stuff online

 

[Pr0phetic]

ummm no I don't like this because you already lost all the stuff from the grand finals of the tourney where I destroyed Ally (I know it was Keitaro's fault but still) so I don't like this at all because it's unfair to what happened in the past. That's like having OC3 finals put up while FCD gets lost..... OH WAIT

you lost the grand finals where i think i beat ally what... 2 stock low/mid % all 3 games or something, and I or no one can't view them ever, so what if I do bad next time. Then I look bad. If I do good, people just copy. It's gay either way, which is why I don't like brawl stuff online. Do bad people judge you do good people copy (AND blame everything on metaknight). Gay and more gay. THAT'S why I hate brawl stuff online

Well that's understandable, but isn't the goal for people to learn and BE more competitive? Your the top player, excellent at that, don't you want to encourage challenge? I'm not saying your opinion isn't justified, but yeah I'm just saying myself..

 

[HugS™]

How about an amendment to the rule that states that if it is recorded, it must be shown.

I know there are hosts who are biased towards players, and if that said player gets *****, then the vid somehow "disappears"

There should be some sort of rule imposing responsibilities on the host to actually show the footage they record. This isn't just about the players.

 

[Mew2King]

No it's not that I'm just tired of gay things happening all the time. In Melee, whenever I would do really well, and it was recorded, it would never be put online for some reason, but when I did really bad it would. Like, in 2007 I 3 stocked Chu in toureny 3 times at different tourneys (I forget one of them but I remember one of Sensei's tourenys and some OC3 tourney match) yet I never saw either of them even though they were all recorded. Never saw FCD finals, never saw anything from multiple other tourneys. Yet whenever I do bad or lose once that one is always the one saved and put up. The same thing happens in brawl too, but the difference is when I do good in brawl they just blame MK being broken, and when I do well people just copy. I don't like having people always get the easy way out by just copying a game with minimal tech skill involved and then me having a hard time making money at other tourneys SIMPLY because they can copy strategies. I also don't like people saying I'm overrated cuz my vids suck which people did ALL THE TIME in melee. I'm also tired of every time i ****, the vids get lost (FCD/CoT4 GF are the main 2 examples I can think of off the top of my head but there were many many more in the past). Those are my main reasons for not liking stuff recorded, and with rules like this in place it encourages me to purposely go on non-recording set ups whenever possible in the future especially at his tourneys now.

edit - @ hugs, even when I win I usually don't want it online like 90% of the time anyway. This just makes me want to go on non recording set ups all the time now. I usually always play bad on tape anyway.

@ Rukkiko - if people deserve to win by making up good strats THEMSELVES then that's one thing, but if they only got so good so fast is because they can copy things then that's dumb.

whatever, any time this rule is in place at a tourney I'm going to go on non-recording set ups as much as possible throughout those tourneys

 

[clowsui]

m2k people ALREADY respect you as a player....why would vids of your "closeness in skill level" change anything?

if ANYTHING it makes the game more exciting, i know you complain that it's boring a lot so i don't see your problem with this.

FURTHERMORE people receive a lower perception of your skill...which is good for you because this means the metagame develops quicker (because everybody's like "hey, maybe i have even a slight chance!") and you, being at the tippity top, will be able to adapt quite easily.

not having the videos stops the bad things from happening, but it removes a very direct way of increasing interest in the competitive community ("Holy ****, I wanna **** as hard as this M2K guy" - don't lie, Jason, most of your vids are RIDICULOUSLY impressive)

 

[OFY]

I agree with M2k.

I agree because of his comments such as putting videos of him online in where HE loses, when he actually had matches where he ***** notable competitors. That shows a negative image for him or anyone who would be in that position.

EXAMPLE: Sparta, in GunZ lost a match against my clan at that time and we were considered below average. My clan posted the replay on the forums and to that it showed Sparta as being ****ty, or imperfect.

Also, as simple as Brawl is already, copying someones STRATEGY is relatively easy.

If the player doesn't want his videos recorded, then the TO should honor that request. If he doesn't, then the player should just goto a station with no recording equipment.

 

[Mew2King]

I agree with M2k.

I agree because of his comments such as putting videos of him online in where HE loses, when he actually had matches where he ***** notable competitors. That shows a negative image for him or anyone who would be in that position.

EXACTLYYYYYYYYYYY

this happens ALL THE TIME to me for YEARS

 

[OFY]

EXACTLYYYYYYYYYYY

this happens ALL THE TIME to me for YEARS

Yeah, I understand how it makes you feel.

Back in the days of S2 on the GB ladder (2004) all of my matches HAD to be recorded. Not to say that there was much technical skill involved in that game, but strategies such as mine placement and other things were.

Now back in GunZ, all matches could be recorded by use of replay, but it didn't matter really because of the technical skill involved as much in that game. Comparable to Melee in fact.

But in Brawl as S2, it's more of a simplistic/strategy based game, as opposed to technical like Melee or GunZ. recording would make me mad as well. Especially at the top where a person could imitate your style and get better and potentionally destroy you lol.


summary:

In a much more simplistic game, it's easier to copy and find out styles of players. In brawl, there is not much technical skill so imitating another player would be easy.

 

[MurdaMoe]

ummm no I don't like this because you already lost all the stuff
from the grand finals of the tourney where I destroyed Ally

you lost the grand finals where i think i beat ally what... 2 stock low/mid % all 3 games or something

ok u beat ally


lmaooooo

 

[Mew2King]

it's stupid how easy it is to copy ****, especially when I'm the one coming up with all the ideas only for people to easily replicate it. You know I only play vs computers right? to come up with all this stuff when I decide to play this game (most of my play time is at tourneys though, or at least half of it, I just learn fast cuz I'm good @ melee/video games). It's probably harder to make up stuff and "practice" that way which makes it even more frustrating. And even more frustrating is EVERY time I demolish someone AND it's recorded it GETS LOST, with FCD and CoT4 being good examples. Where is that fair or made fair at any point? It's not, and never will be. Only when I do bad will it not get lost and then get put online, only for ppl to say I'm overrated just like they did in melee. Stuff like that using really bad logic with stuff I cannot control DOES get very annoying when it happens for years and years.

Murdamoe - you completely miss the point

 

[nevershootme]

and so what about the case of live streams where people can blatintly screen capture the live stream and toss it to youtube...

i really think this should not be named under a person's name (IE. chibo). should be more of what they called it as Media Release Consent Rule due to the legal nature (IE. smashers, and being this is a public event, not a national a la NFL). i mean what did MLG do as far as recording matches went during those days?

 

[Rocann]

jason you're being incredibly arrogant to the point it's annoying

come off your high horse where every single thing mk players do got stolen off of you, but I don't see how that's possible when every single one of your good videos gets lost you know

you expect any of your good videos to get put up if you don't let anybody ever record? like do you REALLY believe there's some video god out there making sure it's only your bad videos that get put up? give me a break

 

[Mew2King]

if you got luck-screwed as much as me, as often as me, you'd understand. I'd rather have nothing then bad stuff. At least people can't copy that way.

speaking of MLG, my set against HugS (MLG Orlando) was recorded and I never saw that up. Maybe if I lost then I would have gotten to see it

 

[CT Chia]

Good point hugs. I had already planned that part but forgot to put it in writing. It brings balance so it's not just on the attendees but the host as well.

M2k, luck happens. That's why its called luck. This is separate from all of that.

 

[Deleted member]

I have to agree with m2k. personal bias aside, it's silly that the RoM finals were put up when the FCD ones were lost. Having seen probably half of m2k's career matches in person, his online videos are absolutely atrocious by comparison.

edit: need an example? go to youtube and type in "Mew2King Sheik" and watch everything, then play his sheik. Tell me the results when you get them.

 

[Xiahou Dun]

So one of your 2 main gripes is that not all of your matches are put up only the ones where you do bad? Because of this you want to oppose a rule demanding they all be put up? Not making a huge amount of sense here. : D

Yet whenever I do bad or lose once that one is always the one saved and put up.

Eh people are proud of their accomplishments. Just like you want it to be shown when you do really well against really good people they also want it shown and want to get props for their accomplishments. Because you don't like it when videos of you doing well aren't uploaded you want to make others feel the same as you did? Still not making much sense.

As for the copying you aspect sure that makes more sense. But you're hardly eliminating the aspect are you? As you said yourself it's a game where strategy is easy to emulate...You frequently play in tournaments with 100+ people around you, you think they can't copy you too? A lack of video's is going to have a very minimal impact on the number of people that copy you to be honest.

 

[strawhats]

U see m2k now use that anger, train and show everyone at Genesis something so good that their highest skill base couldn't possibly copy your strategies. By the way it is said whoeverwins Genesis is the true King of Smash. Its a presidential election withe fists. Show everyone that u are not overrated and shut their ***** up. Also beat mango and people will believe.

 

[Sand-Trap]

Let me get this straight...since M2K "obv" created every single thing possible for MK and no one could even play MK without his help, we shouldn't be allowed to learn from videos. I mean, we shouldn't be allowed to imitate new and better moves because he's the only one who thought of them.

I get it. It's like M2K is the U.S. military, and everyone else are Indians. M2K developed gunpowder, the Indians have bows & arrows. M2K kills everyone with his guns, and the Indians die. Seeing the power of gunpowder, others make their own gunpowder. M2K says, "No screw you guys, this isn't fair! I should be the only one to use gunpowder, even if you've seen the gunpowder multiple times!".

You know what I mean? -.-;;

Honestly, if people got better, that's a good thing. You'll have to come up with newer and better things to stay on top, and since you're so good, that shouldn't be a problem at all. And mindgames are mindgames. People can see a mindgame happening, but it's not like it's automatically stored, it must be learned, no? And even so, there's no cap on the level of mindgames possible, no?

 

[nevershootme]

in other words... north korea

 

[OFY]

Let me get this straight...since M2K "obv" created every single thing possible for MK and no one could even play MK without his help, we shouldn't be allowed to learn from videos. I mean, we shouldn't be allowed to imitate new and better moves because he's the only one who thought of them.

I get it. It's like M2K is the U.S. military, and everyone else are Indians. M2K developed gunpowder, the Indians have bows & arrows. M2K kills everyone with his guns, and the Indians die. Seeing the power of gunpowder, others make their own gunpowder. M2K says, "No screw you guys, this isn't fair! I should be the only one to use gunpowder, even if you've seen the gunpowder multiple times!".

You know what I mean? -.-;;

Honestly, if people got better, that's a good thing. You'll have to come up with newer and better things to stay on top, and since you're so good, that shouldn't be a problem at all. And mindgames are mindgames. People can see a mindgame happening, but it's not like it's automatically stored, it must be learned, no? And even so, there's no cap on the level of mindgames possible, no?

You can't compare it like that, because it's nothing like that lol.

Put it like this, imagine yourself in Mew2King's position. You are one of the top players in brawl and meleel, if not the best there is. However, when they do record sets of your matches, they usually upload on Youtube the matches where you lose. How would you feel? I would be mad mate, because they decided to upload videos of me playing in a negative aspect, which would give me negative views by people.

In a comparison, Brawl to the United States military decisions and strategies for war. Would we share them through the media? Would we tell the media EXACTLY how we are going to attack and where we are going to attack? No, we wouldn't mate, that would make us look like a fool and our enemy would LEARN how to counter act to that strategy. But if we attack without them knowing of our plan, they would still learn from it, but after the battle is over. Still U.S. would learn from the enemy and continue to get stronger.

^^Apply this to Brawl. Brawl is a simplistic, there isn't much technical skill or fast finger action to do in the game, if there were recorded videos of a player wouldn't be as useful because you still need to train your fingers to do this movements effectively and efficiently.

Now being that it is like this, I don't a TOP player would like to have videos of himself uploaded to the internet for other players to mimic, repeat, or learn from.

 

[nevershootme]

now... does Ally even care if his videos were consistenty be put on the net at all? weather if he wins or loses

 

[bobson]

Put it like this, imagine yourself in Mew2King's position. You are one of the top players in brawl and meleel, if not the best there is. However, when they do record sets of your matches, they usually upload on Youtube the matches where you lose. How would you feel? I would be mad mate, because they decided to upload videos of me playing in a negative aspect, which would give me negative views by people.

I wouldn't care, because no one should care about what random Youtube people think. A million billion people can all come together in agreement that M2K sucks based on this video they saw, but if his name is still next to the "1." in the tourney results...
Oh, and yes, copying people's playstyle perfectly by watching Youtube videos is very easy in Brawl. That's why so many people can compete with M2K and why he keeps losing tournaments, right?

 

[Mew2King]

ur not me, im not ally. don't care. miss the point

 

[CT Chia]

I have to agree with m2k. personal bias aside, it's silly that the RoM finals were put up when the FCD ones were lost. Having seen probably half of m2k's career matches in person, his online videos are absolutely atrocious by comparison.

edit: need an example? go to youtube and type in "Mew2King Sheik" and watch everything, then play his sheik. Tell me the results when you get them.

just cause one tourney messed up doesnt mean the rest of tourneys forever should be screwed

 

[da K.I.D.]

I wouldn't care, because no one should care about what random Youtube people think. A million billion people can all come together in agreement that M2K sucks based on this video they saw, but if his name is still next to the "1." in the tourney results...
Oh, and yes, copying people's playstyle perfectly by watching Youtube videos is very easy in Brawl. That's why so many people can compete with M2K and why he keeps losing tournaments, right?

I pretty much fully agree with this,

People can think I played like garbage all day and night until the cows come home, but if I'm the one going home with the first place cash, it really doesnt matter does it?

Also, people need to stop bashing brawl, despite the fact that its not as skill heavy as melee, people arent giving the game enough credit since it really isnt tha easy to just pick up and win.

I would know, Ive personally tried to imitate the stuff that ive seen M2K do in vids, but it doesnt work that way since I dont have that in depth expansive knowledge of the spacing and physics fo the character the way he does.

Lastly, thats kind of a greedy way to look at the situation to begin with on M2Ks part. Like, sure I want to win, but i also go to tourneys for the comradery and association of my fellow smashers, and to get better. So people getting my vids on the internet would be great for me, because if people saw my tactics and either replicated, or countered them, than that would be just more fuel for me to find/learn something even better to continue winning with, because that competition is why we play and its how the metagame advances

 

[cutter]

The point of a competitive community is to better each other so we can continue to learn and get better.

If a person who is very notable in the community wants to hoard his own information to himself, he does nothing but stagnate and regress things for the rest of us.

I'm actually interested to see what is going to happen at Genesis.

 

[Mew2King]

i share my info SO much with people on smashboards and aim and get nothing out of it just to be nice, doesn't mean I want ALL my info shared

chibo it's not just 1 tourney that messed up CoT4 messed up badly too losing the grand finals. I don't care if it was Keitaro's fault for that - where's repent for it? Clearly you don't intend on giving me any

 

[Deleted member]

I'm really confused as to how one "loses" the grand finals. like, why?

 

[bobson]

I'm really confused as to how one "loses" the grand finals. like, why?

Because M2K won, duh.