Chibo's Videos For The Masses Rule

[Mew2King]

ya mow... duh

 

[Vyse]

By this rule, Mew2King's matches should stop disappearing rite?


Rite guys?

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

By this rule, Mew2King's matches should stop disappearing rite?


Rite guys?

Why does he want some of his video deleted overal, then on the other hand he wants the "good" videos uploaded which I can understand, but askin' some to remove a video because he's playing bad at it? that's just stupid

 

[½NIÇK½FBM]

I love watching videos of m2k on youtube. And I really wish the set with m2k and ally that did get recorded be put back up, but not so I can friggin study it for an hour and learn techniques to use with metaknight or learn how to beat metaknights. I like watching m2k because he destroys people and its fun to watch somebody go out there and just destroy people.

Samething goes for ally. His snake is definately unique but I watch it because its fun to watch. Not so I can copy all of his crazy *** tricks that he does.

Most people who don't main MK do the same thing. They watch for fun. People who dis him when bad videos get put up usually are random people on youtube who don't even know what the difference between an uptilt and an upsmash is.

Another thing, SOMEBODY please link me to 1 single video of m2k using metaknight, where m2k gets *****. The one with ninjalink doesn't count. I want to see a video that makes m2k look like complete trash.

How can only putting up bad videos of m2k make him look bad if there are no bad videos of him in the first place. (aside from melee vids)

As for people copying m2k's metaknight when "good" videos get put up; how many metaknights has m2k lost to? How many people in general has m2k lost to? Who actually gives a **** if people think metaknight is gay? Even when m2k finally loses, he shouldn't have the right to complain. Not because he uses the better character or because he lost to somebody with more skill, but because he should be a good sport and be respectful.

Chibo: stop sucking m2k's ****. Just upload the vids please.
Mew2King: Tired of people copying your stuff? Check to see if they have beat you with your own stuff. They havent. Tired of people calling MK "cheap", "gay", "broken"? Tell them to shut up, or go cry about it like your doing right now.
½NIÇK½FBM: Shut up, your a noob.
Moderators: Lock this topic. I'm done here.

 

[Mew2King]

im not asking for anything to be deleted im just *****ing that i always get unlucky, cuz i do and it gets quite frustrating over time when it happens over and over again

 

[Xiahou Dun]

im just *****ing that i always get unlucky, cuz i do and it gets quite frustrating over time when it happens over and over again

I feel your pain but what does bad luck have to do with this?

 

[Toneh]

awesome rule, well thought out. Good for the spectators who actually want to follow the tournaments =), good for the players to watch afterword if they missed certain matches, and no video hording.

 

[pockyD]

two wrongs don't make a right, etc.

just because one set of matches was mysteriously "lost" doesn't mean that another set (from a completely different tournament, no less) should not be posted

it's an unnecessary rule that should go without saying. the videos belong to whoever recorded them, and it's up to them whether or not they want to upload them

I find the proposed "recorded videos must be uploaded" rule more productive, albeit probably more "controversial"

 

[CT Chia]

yea as it was brought up in the thread earlier that was added so the host cant just choose favorites. like if a host thought "oooo il just put up all the matches where m2k did bad and not the ones where he did good!"
that way all matches get uploaded with no bias

 

[Mogwai]

I find the proposed "recorded videos must be uploaded" rule more productive, albeit probably more "controversial"

how is this enforceable though?

 

[AlphaZealot]

if you got luck-screwed as much as me, as often as me, you'd understand. I'd rather have nothing then bad stuff. At least people can't copy that way.

Is your luck worse then the ending of this match:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt2Si7UZZgc

Regardless, videos = Smash will grow.

Which for you M2K may mean more money.

This whole no recording thing is mostly paranoia. The main players you would have to worry about M2K are already AT the tournament watching you play and learning. It seems redundant to think they would somehow gain more from a video then what they observe in real life. More over, if people DO copy as much as you believe, then it will force EVERYONE to get better and start coming up with new things so the same old **** doesn't work forever. Heck, videos are part of the reason Melee became popularized and also how many, many new faces got interested in the scene. So, if the only detriment is that you are worried about your feelings or how you are treated unfairly then I really don't see a problem. No johns. Man up. You already only lose like once in a blue moon, so if its recorded just destroy, because that is what you do in 99% of situations and EVERYONE knows you are the freaking best in the world by a large margin, no one is gonna think you are bad because every 4 months a match of you losing or not destroying as hard is put online. Seriously, your results speak for themselves.

just because one set of matches was mysteriously "lost" doesn't mean that another set (from a completely different tournament, no less) should not be posted

Oh yea, and this is also true. In addition, I don't think there is any grand conspiracy against you M2K. For example, you played amazing against PC in the finals at FCD. But you also LOST in the Winners finals. Guess what? Neither set was put up because MLG lost all the matches. You weren't targeted.

 

[RyokoYaksa]

Players still care about image?

 

[Inui]

Jason, shut the hell up with the "omg someone will copy me and I might lose because they will know what I do."

You're not beatable.

I'm one of the best players in the world, main top tiers, and I've been playing you and copying you for ages...and I can't touch you. Neither can Atomsk, dmbrandon, and every other good NJ player. teh_spamerer, a super genius that also ***** everyone, can't take a game off you.

So stop worrying about that crap.

<3

 

[ADHD]

lylat is going to beat m2k once he realizes his patterns mmmmmmmmmm

 

[AvaricePanda]

People are acting as if M2K is hoarding all of his information for himself. He does share information and has made threads (I remember seeing a thread back in November?...I think, about how to beat MK easier...). But like he said, he doesn't want to share EVERYTHING that he knows.

He doesn't want videos of himself playing up. That's understandable. It's not like M2K is the ONLY Meta-Knight that you can learn from (there's Dojo, spammerer, Inui, affinity, judged, OS, DSF, Tyrant, just to name a few).

The rule can be modified, like if both players don't want the video up, then it shouldn't have to go up. Or maybe the rule only targets semi-finals on up that have to be put up, and other videos are a choice for the people playing. Just ideas...

Though HugS idea seems to be the best; if a tournament uses this rule, they have to upload ALL of the matches, that way they can't be biased and make somebody look worse/better than they really are. Only problem is that it's hard to enforce.

 

[RyokoYaksa]

Players easily impressionable by videos are the easiest spirits to break and hustle money out of. I don't really see a problem aside from players being overly self-conscious about what other, non-threatening (ie. stupid) players think about them.

 

[AlphaZealot]

I agree that videos shouldn't be selectively put up IF an outside person is recording (the TO or someone the TO wants to record matches) and this rule is in effect. I do think if you are recording things for yourself then you can put up whatever the heck you want.

Regardless, M2K's theory is highly unfounded. Yes, people will copy, no, it won't make much of a difference for people challenging M2K. Thats like saying every single chess grandmaster shouldn't record their games because people might copy them.

Lets face it, if we want to get Smash up a level in competition we need videos, especially of the finals with the best players in the country/world.

 

[Sam3231]

it's stupid how easy it is to copy ****, especially when I'm the one coming up with all the ideas only for people to easily replicate it.

Have you ever looked up an AT on the internet?

 

[4nace]

Your argument seems counter-productive.


Let's see, right now you are angry at "luck" which you feel has been bias against you because all your bad videos have been uploaded and you never find any good ones on youtube. And you are upset that people on youtube never see your good games. (Which is pretty fair as it seems like people have been conveniently losing your **** sessions)

So, you would never get recorded again if you have your way, but then you will never have any of your good videos uploaded. So if you ever feel like browsing youtube for comments regarding you, there will only be old bad videos of you, which are even worse than new bad videos because obviously you have been learning new tricks.

But, if you accept this rule and make the TO stand to it, because I definitely think it is a two way street, then you could have all your good videos up along with the bad. And what I mean by a two-way street, that if a TO forces you to have a match recorded and then loses it, then he/she should have to pay some sort of reparations, by either refunding your entry fee or in some other way. Why should you have to risk putting up strategies to this relatively simply game when the TO can just misplace whatever videos he/she doesn't like?

It seems like right now, if you stick to your stance of never having your videos recording, noobs on the forums will just think your scared of having a bad game against a well-known player, and noobs on youtube will just browse m2k videos and think that you're overrated because their selection is slanted. If you really care about your internet reputation, then you'd be better off uploading everything.

However, if all you do care about is stealing strategies, then you should be happy only your bad films are up!


This is my completely objective take on the situation as I am in no position to be affected personally by top players or having my strategies seen on youtube.

 

[Nope]

I've had a similar rule set up for the circuit event here in the Midwest it's a little more formal and looks like this:

Nope's No BS Rule: By participating in this tournament you give the Tournament Operator and their affiliates the right to film, photograph and record your name, nickname, pseudonym, persona, picture, biographical material, voice and/or likeness and to use the same in any manner or media in connection with the Event to broadcast, reproduce, distribute and exhibit such photographs and/or recordings, in any manner whatsoever, by any and all means, media, devices, processes and technology now or hereafter known or devised anywhere in the universe at anytime in perpetuity.

all in all I'm just saying I definitely agree that something like this needs to be part of every tournament

 

[SamuraiPanda]

By the way, the wording of that rule scares the **** outta me with its potential implications. I don't really care much about it because I fully understand your intentions, but it definitely is worded far too strongly.

 

[Ozone.]

Wow MHolts you might as well make it say TO's have the right to your bank account, social security number, and birth certificate.

 

[Xiahou Dun]

By the way, the wording of that rule scares the **** outta me with its potential implications. I don't really care much about it because I fully understand your intentions, but it definitely is worded far too strongly.

Nope's edited rule.
We can put whatever videos we want on Youtube. Get over it.

 

[Nope]

By the way, the wording of that rule scares the **** outta me with its potential implications. I don't really care much about it because I fully understand your intentions, but it definitely is worded far too strongly.

I like how it's worded haha and ya it's not like I'm doing anything with it but posting it online

 

[teh_spamerer]

teh_spamerer, a super genius that also ***** everyone, can't take a game off you.

If I MM Jason and take a match, can I have $100 from you?

 

[AlphaZealot]

Actually I like it Nope, its sorta unnecessary wording, but if you want to avoid loop holes it works.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

@ Rukkiko - if people deserve to win by making up good strats THEMSELVES then that's one thing, but if they only got so good so fast is because they can copy things then that's dumb.

whatever, any time this rule is in place at a tourney I'm going to go on non-recording set ups as much as possible throughout those tourneys

What Rukkiko's saying isn't that people want to copy off you, they want to learn from you. Those are different.

I don't really think your reasons are very valid though, I understand you don't like having you're vids up because of what's happened in the past, but is that a good justification for not letting budding players watch you and learn from hat you do in certain situations? And anyway, this should go through no matter what 1 or 2 people say about why it's bad, the TOs make the rules, and shouldn't be manipulated by the top players, that shouldn't be how the tourney scene works.

Yes, this rule is good.

 

[ColinJF]

Nope's rule is bad because the things it tries to accomplish do not require a rule -- the person recording the film and taking the pictures already has the copyright, not the people in the picture (they don't matter legally). (Notice how it would be impossible for the media to take pictures of celebrities if the subject of the pictures had a say in it.)

On the other hand, the rule has some possibly unintended consequences, such as allowing the use of materials in a way that might constitute libel.

If your intent is just to publicise pictures of the event, no agreements by the participants are required for that, and I recommend you avoid using one, as it's kind of scary.

While Chibo's rule may not be technically required either (the situation is unclear), it does at least make clear what his policy on the recorded matches is. Without such a rule, it could be unclear to some players what his stance is. Moreover, it is more than a rule, it is a political statement, which is another purpose it serves.

On the other hand, there is no reasonable expectation that you will not have your picture taken when you go to the event, so Nope's rule does not accomplish anything, either as a legal instrument, a clarification, or a political statement.

 

[Pi]

This rule is fine, but it doesn't solve the bias problem. If you're going to implement this rule then you need to implement another one which will give all competitors fair and equal representation in the videos that get put up.


Whatever does get decided, the TO needs to make it very clear how the tournament will be operating before it gets underway, and before people start making travel arrangements.

If the TO wants to state that all matches that get recorded can be published upon the TO's discretion, then you know that you might have to put up with some bias, but at least you'll know beforehand.

If the problem is with videos mysteriously, conveniently getting 'lost' then to be honest I don't see a fix for that. If the TO is suspected of doing such a thing then the only way you'll be able to avoid it would be to not to go to his/her tournament.

The view of the mass public is always going to be dependent upon the media, and under what type of light they choose to put you.

And M2K, the vast majority of higher-end smash players see you AS the best. Unfortunately they represent only a very small sect of the total smash community. So I'm afraid you'll have to be happy with their opinions, if all else fails tell them to put up or shut up. Quote your tourney results, hell make a word document with all the tourneys you've won/people you've 4/jv5 stocked, your conquests and victories in money matches, and just copy/paste anytime someone says you're overrated.

 

[cutter]

http://evo2k.com/?page_id=272

I do hereby confirm the consent heretofore given you with respect to your photographing me or my child in connection with the Evo tournament event, and I hereby grant to you, your successor, assigns and licensees the perpetual right to use, as you may desire, all motion pictures and sound track recordings which you may make of me or my child, and the right to use my name and/or child's name or likeness in or in connection with the exhibition or any other use of such video or recording.

Good **** Evo I hope this will be enforced at Genesis as well.