Charizard Tactical Discussion

[PokemonMasterIRL]

I dont think so.

Put it is disjointed. So you may be able to win that spacing battle.

 

[Zigsta]

EDIT--Nevermind. XD

 

[Zigsta]

Technical double post 'cuz I have a question.

We know that grab following a nair is a true combo--thanks to Magik's recent vid, I've been doing this more, and it is so ****, haha. But is a pivot grab following a nair a true combo as well?

 

[Toby.]

No.

Nair to grab probably isn't a true combo either. It's still good though.

If you enjoy doing that, bthrow->nair->jab->grab is also fun and useful. You can also go for the double bthrow and predict their spotdodge for a free rock smash.

Back in july nair to grab / nair to rock smash / nair to jab was the only reason I did well against all those american marths hahaha

 

[Zigsta]

I could've sworn Magik's vid said it was a true combo...oh well, haha.

Wrecking American Marths must have felt good.

 

[Toby.]

His video definitely said it was a true combo, but as far as I'm aware he was just assuming as much. I know that it definitely LOOKS like a true combo, but proper DI and a 1 frame invincibility move such as fortress, wolf's shine or marth's dolphin slash could probably lead to an escape.

That having been said, I've never had anyone escape. I just don't think it's a proven true combo yet.

And yeah, America was fun :D

 

[dre_89_]

This is probably a stupid question but does Zard have an infinite ground release on Kirby? I assume he probably doesn't but just wanted to confirm it because I got like 8 straight on someone before.

 

[Toby.]

No, he doesn't.

 

[Steeler]

it's an infinite if you slap their controller out of their hands though

 

[Toby.]

You can also gently nibble their ear for a similar effect. For best results, whisper compliments in their ear at the same time.

eg.."you're looking great today"

"you're delicious"

"chain grab me harder"

etc etc

 

[Miles.]

Usa doesn't have **** on Toby..

 

[Steeler]

fino, an olimar, once bit his opponent's nipple mid-match

dead serious

 

[gantrain05]

fino, an olimar, once bit his opponent's nipple mid-match

dead serious

he's not gonna be at NO KOAST this weekend is he?? if he is, im staying far away.

also, you probably don't remember me, but we played a couple times at a couple tournies steeler, we are going to have to play some games at NO KOAST if you are there.

 

[Bomber7]

You can also gently nibble their ear for a similar effect. For best results, whisper compliments in their ear at the same time.

eg.."you're looking great today"

"you're delicious"

"chain grab me harder"

etc etc

yeah.... stuff like that is a hobby down here.......

 

[Magik0722]

In my video i said i wasnt sure it was a true combo

i dont have a marth to test it on so somebody should try it on a marth who starts to spam upB after the nair

 

[Zigsta]

I'll make my roomie go Marth today so I can test it.

 

[Steeler]

he's not gonna be at NO KOAST this weekend is he?? if he is, im staying far away.

also, you probably don't remember me, but we played a couple times at a couple tournies steeler, we are going to have to play some games at NO KOAST if you are there.

yeah i remember you. we'll play!

 

[MaTA]

I actually pulled off charizards nair to grab in a tourney match. It worked out pretty good but its a lot harder to get because they can shield after the first hit sometimes.

 

[Bomber7]

in your video for match 4&5 Magik, looked like you were going for a multible grab when you threw Xyro into the tree at around 2:30. At lower %'s you think that could have worked?

 

[Magik0722]

Like most things, it probably wont be guaranteed

 

[Bomber7]

It'd be worth trying it out on training mode however the only problem I got with training mode is that there is room for sufficient error like DI and what not so a move or combo can be just as easily discredited or labeled as "situational" and thrown into the garbage. Trust me, it's happened to me on the TL boards many times.

 

[tankzortz]

im sorry if this sounds really dumb or has been asked, but how do u DI with charazard?

 

[Technologikall]

im sorry if this sounds really dumb or has been asked, but how do u DI with charazard?

Just move the control stick to the side. DI is when you move in the air by doing so.

 

[Zigsta]

Use both the control stick and c-stick. You ideally want your character to fly towards the corner in most situations.

 

[Vermy]

Just move the control stick to the side. DI is when you move in the air by doing so.

Wrong. Both of you newbies watch this video to understand how to DI correctly with all 3 pokemon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdUP_HSg7eA

 

[Technologikall]

Wrong. Both of you newbies watch this video to understand how to DI correctly with all 3 pokemon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdUP_HSg7eA

I just said what DI was. And though I didn't feel like explaining the details and other things like Smash DI that that vid probably covers, I was still right. =P

But W/E I'll watch it anyway. =P

Edit: watched it and it's a nice vid. =P
I'll admit that I didn't know that Squirtle had to DI in, I always DIed up with all three. =P

 

[tankzortz]

thx guys.DI is much easier than i originally thought

 

[Vermy]

I just said what DI was. And though I didn't feel like explaining the details and other things like Smash DI that that vid probably covers, I was still right. =P

But W/E I'll watch it anyway. =P

Edit: watched it and it's a nice vid. =P
I'll admit that I didn't know that Squirtle had to DI in, I always DIed up with all three. =P

If I didn't correct you, Tankzortz would have very well gone away thinking that's what DI is. If you're going to help, don't be lazy. Half-***** advice doesn't help anyone.

And you're too liberal with "=P"

Don't you try and sass me, boy.

@Tankzortz: You're welcome. I help where I can.

 

[Zigsta]

So I found out yesterday that Rock Smash to dsmash ***** Nana.

 

[Bestiarius]

So does Popo.

 

[typh]

yeah well everything ***** PT, suck it

 

[Zigsta]

yeah well everything ***** PT, suck it

Aww typhy, u mad.

 

[Vermy]

It's all good.

I caught a Taillow and am training it up. I taught it:
-Double Kick (gatling combo)
-Pursuit (phantasm)
-Siesmic Toss (D-throw)
-Short hop double laser (I couldn't think of a pokemon term ;_

At this point in the bit, you should have figured out I've played a lot of Falco lately. =3

Back on topic, I hardly find any use for Zard's dsmash, other than against roll spammers like lucario and kirby mains. Its not a good move at all. Its a couple frames slower than usmash and works like DKs down b, with a shorter radius. No big hitbox. It just doesn't have many uses. Nair's potential needs to be sought after.

 

[Magik0722]

I'm a pretty big advocate on nair, but i think most people would agree with me nowadays

 

[Vermy]

Jumping from the ground to a platform while performing a nair is awesome. Provides you with the flame sweetspot sitting just under the platform as you land, lag free. Haven't found a practical use other than running away, but could be the start of something.

Nair, flamethrower, dtilt and rocksmash are zards best defensive options, and id say there are more options/techniques we aren't considering.

 

[Zigsta]

I've been nairing a lot more lately. It's boss.

Dsmash is good on ICs to separate them, especially on Nana. If you see her on the ground, charge downsmash while she's getting up to run back to Popo. Other than that, I don't use dsmash, haha.

 

[Charizard92]

I don't really use any smash unless I line it up well (I interestingly get a lot of Fsmash line ups).

I find D smash pointless. OK, I admit that here are characters who benefit from their D smash, but Charizard isn't one of them.

 

[Technologikall]

All PT Pokay's have crappy Dsmashes.

 

[Bomber7]

All PT Pokay's have crappy Dsmashes.

I beg to differ. Squirtle's dsmash is pretty useful, especially on the edge of the stage. Ivy's is decent and so is charz.

Both Ivy and charz are good for the Spot dodge Down-smash.

 

[tankzortz]

All PT Pokay's have crappy Dsmashes.

they're not bad. just wouldnt use ivy's dsmash often. charazard's is ok, got some ko power and i dont know bout squirtle