Charizard Tactical Discussion

[Technologikall]

I beg to differ. Squirtle's dsmash is pretty useful, especially on the edge of the stage. Ivy's is decent and so is charz.

Both Ivy and charz are good for the Spot dodge Down-smash.

Maybe I'm just spoiled by playing R.O.B. too much then. =P

 

[Magik0722]

no no hes right, they're all terrible

 

[Steeler]

ivysaur's is possibly the worst smash attack in the game.

at 200%, it fails to kill mario from the center of fd.

it does 8% uncharged and like 11% fully charged.

it has like 45 frames of cooldown lag. which is absolutely RIDICULOUS for a move with such a terrible reward on hit.

it comes out on frame 16 or something

it's ****

 

[Zigsta]

The only good thing that comes from using Ivysaur's dsmash is the general WTF reaction of the person you're playing.

 

[Bomber7]

The only good thing that comes from using Ivysaur's dsmash is the general WTF reaction of the person you're playing.

well Ivy is a wtf character. one move: up smash.

(shouldn't this be going into the Ivy discussion lol?)

 

[Toby.]

Charizard's dsmash is actually OK.

It has pretty good kill power actually. And landing it isn't THAT hard.

 

[IsmaR]

What Toby said. IMO Squirtle's > Zard's > Ivy's in terms of D-smash.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Charizard's dsmash is actually OK.

It has pretty good kill power actually. And landing it isn't THAT hard.

I wish the opponent didn't have to be touching the ground for it to land, however. That's frustrating sometimes.

 

[Steeler]

actually i think once i hit with the little earth shockwaves when the opponent was in the air (very close to the ground though, obviously). it could have just been my eyes playing tricks on me though.

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

I wish the opponent didn't have to be touching the ground for it to land, however. That's frustrating sometimes.

But its Earthquake it doesnt affect Flying types.

 

[Zigsta]

Reflex is trying to get his Charizard to learn Gravity.

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

Reflex is trying to get his Charizard to learn Gravity.

That would be ****, then Giga Impact would never miss.

 

[Kantō]

charizards down smash has got me mant KO's. u just need to save it for the right time. its definatly better than ivysasaurs and squirtles as far as knockback goes. but then again charizard has that big rock...

 

[CoonTail]

I love down smash personally.....no one expects it and alot of times the range stuffs some approaches so all I gotta say is experiment with it more because Ive found ALOT of use with zard's d-smash

 

[Kantō]

how should i get better at spiking with zard? i just landing a few on my buddies, but is there a solid approuch for his spike?

 

[T-block]

his spike is slow, so it's tough. the only semi-reliable way is to use it on a predictable recovery like captain falcon's or something. the hitbox on it is huge, so take advantage of that

 

[Zigsta]

how should i get better at spiking with zard? i just landing a few on my buddies, but is there a solid approuch for his spike?

Just practice using dair on people. I wasn't too good at spiking with it at first since, as t-block already said, it comes out slowly, but I've gotten a LOT better at it over time.

 

[tankzortz]

how should i get better at spiking with zard? i just landing a few on my buddies, but is there a solid approuch for his spike?

for the dair, dont be too close to your enemy, ir it'll miss. if you're not as close, or someone further away, then it should work. but yea, just basically practice it

 

[Kantō]

okay thanks guys, ive got some practicing to do

 

[Kith]

So, baiting opponents by warming them up slighty with short-hopped, fast falled f-air into down-tilt has been working pretty well for me. I really feel that Charizard can be a pretty good, technical character if played well, because short hopped b-air spaces so well lol. The trick is to get your fingers to move as fast as you want them to...

 

[Toby.]

I wouldn't call charizard a technical character just because we can do attacks quickly

If only fair didn't have such a terrible hitbox.

 

[Kith]

Well, I meant more technical than the videos I normally watch lol. I think the boards call it dragon dancing, but that's pretty much what I'm talking about. And unfortunately, I sometimes end up with empty short hops cause I'm messing up the C-stick timing or something. But he can definitely have a more technical metagame than is currently used.

Yeah I wish the whole hitbox had the same knock back lol, but that's why I'm beginning to use it as a baiting move to. Spaced well, a lot of people walk into downtilts or grabs

 

[Zigsta]

I've been using fair a lot less than I used to. I've pretty much replaced it with nair while onstage.

 

[Kith]

Nair is a pretty good move. I don't use it as often as I should

 

[Bomber7]

Nair too good for setting up follow-ups.

 

[Kith]

How much damage does nair do again?...too lazy to check lol

 

[Toby.]

9%.

Sweet spot probably deals about 12.

And yeah it has mad setup potential. Bthrow->regrab->bthrow->nair->ftilt/FSMASH

The hard bit is landing the nair against an opponent in a neutral position.

edit: oshi- 2000 posts

 

[Bomber7]

Nair -> grab is my favorite thing to do, or if you get the chance, nair chain to spike lol.

 

[Charizard92]

Nair, a move that we didn't realize has so many uses until many months in advance.

ahh, the sweet smell of Deja vu.

 

[Zigsta]

Nair's great for attacking plankers on the ledge.

 

[tankzortz]

yea i like to use nair a lot more then fair, just cause

 

[dre_89_]

Everyone was already using nair more than fair weren't they.

 

[tankzortz]

sometimes fair wont make the enemy flinch or whatever u call it. it seems like fair only makes the someone flinch when charazard is attempting to recover and ur opponent is near the ledge

 

[Kith]

Yeah lol I was just suggesting that fairs can be a good bait if spaced well

 

[dre_89_]

Tankzortz when you say they don't flinch are you trying to say they don't get knockback? If that's what you meant it's because fair has a massive sourspot and only a small sweetspot. The sourspot does like 1% damage and no knockback at all.

If that's not what you meant, can you explain to me what you mean, I could learn something here.

By the way is it possible to semi-spike with nair, as in catch with them with the tail when it's going underneath Zard if you get what I mean.

 

[tankzortz]

opps my bad. yea i meant that if fair doesnt get the sweetspot, it has no knockback.

 

[Bomber7]

cant you follow up with any ground move after using Nair? I'm pretty sure you can and you get no landing lag.

 

[Toby.]

My last post on this page was a ground followup after nair. And you replied directly after me >.>

So yes, you can.

 

[MaTA]

yeah im definitely going to try that little combo out. seems awesome if pulled off

 

[Steeler]

i like to edgeguard some characters with flamethrower. it sounds stupid, and it looks stupid (and funny), but it works against recoveries that are slower than yours (so you don't end up edgehogging yourself). fox, falco, ness, lucas, zelda, dedede, diddy somewhat. obviously it only works below the ledge, because above it they can just air dodge through it with no fear of running out of recovery room. the benefit is that it's not as easy to avoid as a fair or something. clearly you can just use fair or edgehog in some situations but flamethrower is a nice mixup to toss in that some opponents won't really expect.