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Well have of them doesn't even know what is going on in the first place. If its not a lot of random crap happening its just slow and boring.
When I got upset with Brawl I stopped playing it. That was it.
D3 has no answer to nanas because he can't realistically threaten Diddy from the air. Diddy doesn't really need to approach because nanas and peanuts outcamp gordo tossing. He can punish a lot of what D3 does with nanas then just go ham with grabs and aerials. The slightest advantage can transition into 30%+ combos on D3. Yeah Diddy has trouble killing him (although JC toss in stutter step fsmash is not to e underestimated) but the percent disparity should be so high that Diddy can afford to wait until 180% to kill him with uair. D3 also has trouble killing Diddy. What kill move is he realistically killing Diddy with below 120%?
I...wasn't being melodramatic, though. I pretty much did that when I realized that I didn't enjoy what top level Brawl was becoming.
NairWizard
You can angle needles and force Dedede to airdodge, too.I...wasn't being melodramatic, though. I pretty much did that when I realized that I didn't enjoy what top level Brawl was becoming.
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Sheik mauls D3 off-stage with Bouncing Fish as long as she sets up into it. That's not my biggest fear against her off-stage, though. It's more the fact that she's one of the few characters in the game that can force D3 to burn through his jumps by just swinging surgically with her aerial normals.
Smooth Criminal
That's a pretty bad stance to take. Results shouldn't be your main focus at all. If you look at peaches tools and analyze the character you'll see a great chatacter. Who probably is top ten. To be like herp derp i needz some results is silly. You should be able to form an opinion on a character without needing results. It's sad for you to write off characters because of results.
Well, it's one thing to have an opinion on a character. It's another to have factual evidence for that opinion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Top 10 is a really good place to be for a character, and that only comes from experience with a character. Honestly, from training alone, all we can say is that Peach does a lot of damage to Sheik with her early combos, and nothing else.
Why would I be the Diddy god when everyone here thinks I underrate him lol
The only thing results are factual evidence for is which character has been more successful in tournaments. They're not factual evidence for which character is better. They don't give you factual evidence that higher success is due to the character being better or having better players.
Most characters could still take sets at this point in time. When the meta is more developed and becomes more defensive that will probably change, because poor options are exposed more in defensive environments. This only applies to top level play though. Anything will remain viable at any level lower than that.
Wait, are you saying that a character's success in tournaments does not directly correlate to that character's overall strength in the roster and that those results don't mean that a character is, in general, better?
Your definition of non viable is absurd and makes all characters viable. Winning a set a national tourney isn't a big deal. Everyone in pools aren't killers.
In that case, what would you define non-viable as?
its not that i have any problem analizing a characters strenghts i think peach has potential but its like the same thing with yoshi, if hes so great seriously where are the results? All that makes me feel is that the character has some weakness that hindering them that our theory craft and frame data is not noticing thats all. I'll simply be looking at her critically like every other character until results prove otherwise. I think alot of characters are great but until i actually see somthing in top 8 at a regional, I wont be moving them above high-mid tier.
I would say a character is non viable depending on their MU. If you have like 30-40 losing MU's you're not viable. I'm just throwing that number out there. But your character should be able to compete with the top characters or most used characters in tournaments. If they don't then they're not viable .
My response is you either wait for the results or you put up the results you seek from others. Peach has more than potential IMO . If you feel as though she's a strong character why do you need results? There's a lot of factors as to why there's been no results for peach. A lot of people have reasons for running a certain character.
We all need different things to convince us friend. I don't know what "more than potential" is to you or what that even means. (Super potential?)
If your argument is that, if someone thinks a character is strong, a character should be played regardless, then I agree with you there. But results are results, and results don't lie. Took Gimpyfish years to accept that Bowser wasn't a good character, despite him thinking Bowser was strong. The tourny results allow us to see who's strong at the current point of the game WITHOUT bias. Again, If your argument is that, if someone thinks a character is strong, a character should be played regardless,then the discussion ends there. If you are asking that data be ignored, then I must say you don't have a good reasoning for that.
She has the tools that make her a threat. It's not like we're doing super theory craft with peach.
So, she has potential then.
Well, I am daffy.
Like everyone else? This early in the game, unless it's clearly apparent that a character outright sucks and when I mean sucks, I mean this character's fastest move is frame 20, highest damage is 7%, kills at 301%, and dies at 30% to Luigi's Down Taunt. I'm talking about a character worse than Brawl Ganondorf. That's bad and nobody in their right mind has made a character like that even as a joke. Hell even then, joke characters are sometimes dangerous, viable, or even godplayer. Dan's all right in Street Fighter, right? Yoshimitsu is by all intents, a wacky and fun character, Pichu's okay in the right hands, Jigglypuff was technically a joke character, but is a (dragon-slaying) beast now, and Wii Fit Trainer isn't horrible.
Not to come off rude but why did you feel the need to tell me this? Did i say somthing within this and the last page that made u feel otherwise? Please point it out im trying to work on my cyntax.Well, I am daffy.
Like everyone else? This early in the game, unless it's clearly apparent that a character outright sucks and when I mean sucks, I mean this character's fastest move is frame 20, highest damage is 7%, kills at 301%, and dies at 30% to Luigi's Down Taunt. I'm talking about a character worse than Brawl Ganondorf. That's bad and nobody in their right mind has made a character like that even as a joke. Hell even then, joke characters are sometimes dangerous, viable, or even godplayer. Dan's all right in Street Fighter, right? Yoshimitsu is by all intents, a wacky and fun character, Pichu's okay in the right hands, Jigglypuff was technically a joke character, but is a (dragon-slaying) beast now, and Wii Fit Trainer isn't horrible.
We shouldn't write off anyone as horrible. They all have potential for now, but how much potential depends. So, someone like Peach has a lot of potential while someone like Dr. Mario might not, especially without customs, but since customs are legalized, then Dr. Mario has a better fighting chance and we've seen the monster that is Kong Cyclone DK or customs Pally.
Can't top 8 at a regional/major consistently.
Trully curious if you feel marth is a character with customs that has enough, juice.
Characters who get repped by the better players are going to get better results than other ones close to them tier wise. If all the top players decided to main Sheik, she'd be considered the best character in the game. If Zero decides to main ZSS, she'd probably be considered top 3. Zero could take any mid-low tier and push them above other mid tiers that aren't repped by elite level players.
****ing brothers in arms right here. I cannot agree with this sentiment more!
Except that's not how it works long term. And if Zero can take a low/mid tier and find tourny success with them, then they aren't actually low/mid, are they? Elite players are more likely to play the best characters available because winning is their top goal.
Nah, I just like adding onto statements. It wasn't directed to you, but pretty much everyone.
Unviable? Hell no, the results deny that entirely. The character is CLEARLY viable, but the problem is, the character definitely has issues that would prevent the character from being the best character, and that the character clearly isn't jank and shouldn't be "omg pls nerf" if anyone complains about how the character always makes it to winner finals. The only exception is if the character has something stupid like a permanent chain grab that invalidates the majority of the cast and the person always winning #1 is one of the few characters that can ignore it.
by virtue of some, yes.
That depends on how your local tourneys distribute prize money.
Well, that character is the first loser... Better luck next time, Melee Falco.
