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I am so tired of Pika players complaining about how "scary" characters who get camped for free, juggled for free, and gimped for free are to deal with, especially when they can always just Up-B away if they do get hit. On the other hand, there was that one time I 0-deathed a (FG scrub) Pika player in 4 hits as Ganon...
"I tried so hard, and got so far, and in the end it didnt even matter."
Except Pika's still in control of the MU. Do you know what's scarier than being in control of the MU? Not being in control of the MU and wondering if you're ever going to stop getting zapped, juggled, and edgeguarded. Rat mains don't get to complain about "bad" MUs that are 65:35 in their favor.
Ah yes the Grapplers dilemma. See against a grappler you have to play near perfectly or lose. As Pikachu you have to play arbitrarily close to perfect to do well.
The music on this video is so perfect. Ganon really seems like he's working hard.
ike can compete at a high level, but he's at a "just barely" level akin to brawl wolf/fox. once customs arrive, however, he's easily top of mid/bottom of high, if not better.
Short answer yes.
You want to know why Tempest is good? It's a massive windbox that can be charged to become even bigger that stalls him in the air. It's an amazing and safe edgeguarding tool.
how unbeliveably broken would it be? have you even seen the characters that get tethers? other than zzs all the others can definitly use a tool like it.
Kinda relevent is the fact that... as Tagsy was saying... One hit or two and you are dead... And its exactly what happened... The ganon won even though the Pikachu is probably the best showcase of pikachu power i've ever seen (and I've seen every Esam video)
Yeah that Pikachu was bananas. Honestly I feel like he massively outplayed the Ganon, he just had a bit of bad luck with his recoveries.
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Absolutely. As Ganon I'm licking my chops whenever I see a Pika charging Skull Bash offstage because even just trading with it is hugely favorable for Ganon and will likely end up killing Pika. It's much harder tracking down a Pika using QA as opposed to one that's locked into a predictable trajectory.
Yeah, I think a lot of people in this game kind of just autopiloting their recoveries since right now most people aren't edgeguarding well. Then you get two boots in the face and lose the set and it should hopefully be a wakeup call.
well dat ganoncide at the end was the read of the century. xd
By some you mean none.
Well I don't mean that a single attack is literally all you use, but rather than one attack is pretty much defines the way you play that character. For example, I would say Falco (in Melee and Brawl) is a character like this. Falco laser is such a powerful tool that it pretty much defines Falco as a character. If someone had a custom that was like Falco laser, it would completely change how they play.
I think what he meant is not necessarily 1 attack but 1 combo out of 1 attack as well.
With customs yes, because he actually has the recovery tools to not get gimped by a good player before reaching those percents. Without them he dies fairly easily to the better gimp games out there.
Even with that weight, his recovery sucks hard, so a lot of characters can edge guard him. At high percents, pretty much every character can camp him as well. He pretty much has an auto lose match up to some of the most common characters like Sheik Rosalina and ZSS. I don't see any Ganondorfs winning major tournaments any time soon
Paralyzing counter is meh. It's slightly better than default in Ike's harder matchups, but other than that I hate it. Default Counter is a lot stronger for edgeguarding and punishing commitments to high damage attacks like Smashes. Now to be fair, several of Ike's harder matchups tend to be ones that do less than 9% a hit, which makes a combo from Paralyzing Counter a bit more rewarding. However in most of Ike's matchups, default Counter imo is more practical.
Close Combat, Samus's missile customs, and Fast Pills/Fireballs imo are pretty close to that level of game changing.
Well, no one is saying you have to use the same set of customs for every matchup. Remember, winner picks customs after loser picks character, so you can counterpick that way.
I think Upper Cutter might be too. It might even make Kirby viable (gasp!)
I've seen this video before because somebody posted it in the Pikachu videos thread. I want to get people's take on Ganon. How amazing is he? Or not? Clearly he has the tools to win grossly disadvantaged match-ups, but perhaps he has a high learning curve or requires amazing reflexes?
Well, like I said, I feel Pikachu basically gave that match away by committing (unnecessarily) to skull bashes. If he had done QA or Air Dodge he should have made it back.
basically to be a good ganon you have to be really good at predictions.
My experience is contrary to that, since I've yet to actually lose to ZSS, Sheik or Rosalina with Ganondorf. He just needs to Perfect Shield and Spot Dodge, and he'll be the one on the upper hand before you know it.
He doesn't have much of a learning curve, people can pick him up and play him, but he does require good reflexes and timing. He's actually a really viable character, and his match ups aren't TOO disadvantaged; people are simply just sleeping on him once more. (Look at Japan's Ganondorf, for example.)
Don't forget the Meteor Bomb for Link as noteworthy, as well as Link's PK Thunder-killing Quickfire Bow. And as Game Changing, put in Ganondorf's Warlock Blade and Wizard's Dropkick, as well as Whirling Leap.A lot of people have been saying that customs arent that big of a deal except a few... I would love to have a list of game changing customs... Make a character a lot more viable or change his playstyle.
For now the list I have is:
Gamechanging
Upper cutter :Kirby:
Fastpills/Fireballs :DrMario: :Mario:
Super Speed/Lightweight
Koopa Klaw (Wavedash) :Bowser:
Kong Cyclone :donkeykong:
Crescent Slash
Tempest/CloseCombat
Counter Seed :villager:
Jumbo Hoop :wiifittrainer:
Noteworthy
Drifting Star Bits :Rosalina:
Power Bow
Short-Fused Bomb
Slow Missile
You guys have others to add to the list or disagree ?
im sure ganon has an oos option u b custom that not only has super armor but can kill as easy as zelda's elevator. Dark rise or somthing.A lot of people have been saying that customs arent that big of a deal except a few... I would love to have a list of game changing customs... Make a character a lot more viable or change his playstyle.
For now the list I have is:
Gamechanging
Upper cutter
Fastpills/Fireballs
Super Speed/Lightweight
Koopa Klaw (Wavedash)
Kong Cyclone
Crescent Slash
Tempest/CloseCombat
Counter Seed
Jumbo Hoop
Warlock Blade/Wizard's Dropkick
Noteworthy
Drifting Star Bits
QuickfireBow/PowerBow/Meteor Bomb
Short-Fused Bomb
Slow Missile
You guys have others to add to the list or disagree ?
You need a crapton of experience and character/player knowledge to play Ganon. Most characters have to in some way respect his options, but the catch is you have to be able to identify player patterns around this.
I don't find Fast Fireball to be a game changer for Mario. While it does kill that massive recovery problem that default Fireball has, you lose the versatility as well. Fast Fireball only seems to be effective as a zoning tool, similar to Luigi's. I'd chalk it to just be different rather than better.Fastpills/Fireballs
I can do that?
if that giant fire ball custom had less lag i would opt for that move my self. just for the spacing options it so potentially had.
