Character Competitive Impressions

[RobinOnDrugs]

ZERO IS BRINGING THE FALCON TO M2K!

 

[HeroMystic]

Am I the only one who was super excited during all 3 Pac-Man Rosalina games? Literally 6 full minutes of action, with zero true stalling outside of spawn platform waiting on dabuz's last stock.

Y'all talking like it was a Sonic ditto.

Not as hype as ZeRo's Falcon!

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wow that dair to knee with Falcon was pretty nice.

 

[HeavyLobster]

So many opportunities where Pac Man's grab could've been used. Rosa kept doing down b, and the best way to punish baiting the down b is to grab (Pac Man can't do much else from that range to punish). But zero grabs were used.

Pac-Man's grab game... the final frontier.

 

[FullMoon]

Whoa, suddenly Captain Falcon?

 

[zeldasmash]

And back to Diddy dittos........bring back the Falcon please. That Dair to Knee was awesome

 

[HeroMystic]

Despite the Diddy dittos, I'm loving the energy from the crowd. Once people get to Zero and M2K's level I feel this can become the standard for crowd hype.

 

[RobinOnDrugs]

That Falcon definitely came out of nowhere. I wish Zero still used him again, but that crowd was going nuts throughout the entire set.

 

[NairWizard]

mew2king vs. Zero was way better than Dabuz vs. Abadango. As boring as people find Diddy because he is overwhelming and somewhat linear, at least he goes in and makes games go quickly/intensely. Can you imagine if Pacman had a good grab, and were as effective as Diddy? Ugh. Zoning in the smash series is painful at times.

 

[ChronoPenguin]

Had a feeling Dabuz would timeout abadango to win.
Rosalina so boaring.

I wasn't bored felt I understood what they were both going for, but I also think Abandango mistimed his attacks.
I was watching and saw him adapt to gravitational pull, then go for Grab, F-air and N-air follow ups. I was wondering how he was going to break through and he almost did with a grab but Dabuz jumped. He then went back into aerial chases after his item throw but I wonder what would of happened if he attempted grab pressure again. Abadango funny enough...didn't have enough time to figure out how to break through, but not for lack of trying. Dabuz was definitely repeating his defense options in Gpull with a couple mix ups and he often got punished for not doing the pull.

I thought it was mad interesting but maybe thats me.

Also that ****ing Falcon Ground bounce into knee, threw my headphones on the floor in hype. Outside of Falcon vs Diddy I rather of given Dabuz and Abadango another 2 sets and see if Abadango figured it out.

 

[Thinkaman]

Maybe I'm just old and patient, but I really did truly love those 3 games. I'd totally play a Smash game with only zoning characters.

Also, a thought: I think most Diddy matchups are fast but "boring"; but the Diddy ditto is pretty great!

 

[ChronoPenguin]

I dont like the Diddy ditto. Amount of times they pass each other and grab irks me.

 

[NairWizard]

I'll agree that it was interesting/exciting.

But that's because (imo) Pacman is unexplored, and Pacman vs. Rosalina has basically never happened on stream. New territory is always interesting, especially when it's also new for the players and they're still figuring out what to do. The match was definitely exciting because of that. But if this were the norm? It'd be a far worse norm than Diddy v. Diddy, I think.

 

[Kofu]

Nietono looked so mad when Mr. R BAired him from the ledge, lol. So who all is left? Dabuz, Zero, and...

 

[ChronoPenguin]

I don't know about that Solid because both of them were scouting for information as the rest of us were.
I don't require a match to be fast-paced to be viewable. My problem with Sonic camping is he's doing it for no ****ing valid reason given his options. You'll have two characters on the opposite sides of the stage doing *NOTHING* because fear of each others options, that is the most...wtf is this bull**** kind of gameplay I can't tolerate. Pac-man is a zoning character everything he's doing is purposeful and thought out. Not a "They're shielding my Spin-dash wot do...they're beating my spin-dash wot do" level of horsechit 80% of Sonics break down-to.

Meanwhile you have Abadango having his projectile game broken down and thinking of how to penetrate. Its the kind of zoning game I can appreciate on both levels, although I rather it was Mii Gunner or Megaman instead of Rosaluma who also have ways to shutdown pac-mans projectiles but I greatly enjoy their zoning games more then Rosalumas. That or Toonlink/Link.

Theres a lot of interesting zoning characters and while they may not take things in the time people want, I enjoy it if anything given the way Abadango was adapting I think it'll only end up more offensive and more strategic as that MU experience grows, not less.


PS: To all Sonic players that decide to run to one side of the stage to do nothing when you are playing the fastest character in the flipping game, with fully capable frame data, and no horizontal projectile game. Your decisions make no sense to me, given the distance increase you create doing so only *increases* the window of time your opposition has to react, which guess what they really don't have against Sonic in Mid-range because Sonic is so fast. Stahp. Falcon, Mac, Speed Shulk? Some Top 4 characters in the game for speed, just like Sonic they have no horizontal projectile, none of us do that, because there is no reason to and Shulk has the weakest frame data of them all.

 

[RanserSSF4]

I thought the Pac-Man vs Rosalina match was interesting because we've never seen the MU before. I was mad that people hated Dabuz for stalling the timer when they should realize two things:

1. Both Pac-man and Rosalina were designed to mostly be campers, which leads to point #2.
2. It's based on MU's. Zoners obviously are going to stall out.

I agree camping isn't fun to watch and it's not my favorite style of play, but I don't mind if people prefer that and it's a viable strategy!

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Am I the only one who was super excited during all 3 Pac-Man Rosalina games? Literally 6 full minutes of action, with zero true stalling outside of spawn platform waiting on dabuz's last stock.

Y'all talking like it was a Sonic ditto.

As much as would love love love to say YES SO HYPE! I will admit there is a lot of bias on my side.

One for being a Rosalina main and two because the Rosalina player was Dabuz.

Still, seeing Pac-man's game style was awesome as well as seeing Dabuz adapting to it. Probably will start to lose that feeling but we will see.

I'm certainly glad a Rosalina main is near the top. Hoping to see some more expert play by Dabuz.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It's because smash players are used to a Melee like game where players die faster and are mostly rushing down vs anyone who would be a zoner like Rosalina or Pacman isn't in the top 8 of Melee.

People need to watch other fighters where larger viarety of playstyles happen.

 

[Paper Maribro]

Maybe I'm just old and patient, but I really did truly love those 3 games. I'd totally play a Smash game with only zoning characters.

If it means having lots of matchups as downright unfair as Rosa/Pac I'd rather not. The fact a character at the push of a button can just make another character's moveset disappear is dumb. I've played around with this matchup quite a bit and it often doesn't matter how well I play, I will often lose. Pac's primary ways of hitting Luma away are just down-b'd which means Rosalina can wall him out with her superior range or just run away.

As for grabbing Rosa, it's always a risk because of how laggy Pac's grab is and how powerful Rosalina is. You can't really pressure with Pac's grab because it's that bad and Rosalina's punishes are super strong.

 

[Nu~]

@ ChronoPenguin well there was a pac vs mega match. They kept shutting down each other's projectiles and stole each other's metal blade/fruit. Ultimately megaman couldn't keep up once he was pushed into disadvantage.
I would have rather saw that again.

 

[Antonykun]

I'm so salty i missed Abadango vs Dabuz, especially since it was an amazing battle from what i heard.

 

[RobinOnDrugs]

Looks like we are gonna see another Diddy vs Shiek match.

NVM It's Dabuz v. M2K.

 

[HeroMystic]

It's because smash players are used to a Melee like game where players die faster and are mostly rushing down vs anyone who would be a zoner like Rosalina or Pacman isn't in the top 8 of Melee.

People need to watch other fighters where larger viarety of playstyles happen.

I do agree with this. Personally, I can enjoy the battle of fundamentals between zoning characters and when it comes down to bit by bits of damage making a difference. It's why I enjoy watching Starcraft as well.

However even in Starcraft and even in Street Fighter, a lot of viewers are also displeased by slow gameplay and prefer faster matches. So it's not just the Smash series that has this problem.

 

[FullMoon]

Even Nintendo commented on the Abadango vs Dabuz fight =P

 

[thehard]

Bill Trinen @trintran
What few people realize is that Rosalina's down B injures the opponent if hit by their own projectile in the vortex. Be aggressive Dabuz

Get called out

I've loved all the matches so far.

WOW GRENINJA'D

 

[NairWizard]

I wouldn't call it a problem, or say that people "need" to do anything; that's being unnecessarily condescending. You like what you like, right?

Chess is a great game, and I love playing it, but watching it being played is like watching paint dry. I'd rather watch soccer than chess any day. The same principle, but on a different level, applies to zoning in fighting games. I'd rather watch fast competition than slow competition.

Also, zoning in most fighters leads to more reward than zoning in Brawl, and also somewhat in smash 4 (though Pacman gets a lot from landing a hit).

 

[TriTails]

I wish I can watch the stream. ZeRo seem to bring out Captain 'SHOW ME YOUR FALCON PUNCH MOVES!' Falcon.

Oh well. I'm going for a school event for 3 days anyway. I really need to watch the replays later when I get back.

*Expecting Alerts explode 3 days later*

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I do agree with this. Personally, I can enjoy the battle of fundamentals between zoning characters and when it comes down to bit by bits of damage making a difference. It's why I enjoy watching Starcraft as well.

However even in Starcraft and even in Street Fighter, a lot of viewers are also displeased by slow gameplay and prefer faster matches. So it's not just the Smash series that has this problem.

I get why, but I find it to be just scrubby.

But given how I play MOBAs and how some other games go I really gotta just say no johns. It opens up variety and game-play so I welcome it. If people hate it oh well I won't change their mind.

 

[Antonykun]

Dabuz switches to Olimar!

 

[thehard]

The Hoo Hahs from the crowd is making this amazing. Can this always happen?

The crowd (and chat sometimes) has a surprisingly large effect on how enjoyable Melee is (and any game really). Sh...

 

[RobinOnDrugs]

And Dabuz got two-stocked by M2K.

Let's see how his Olimar fairs against M2K's Diddy.

 

[zeldasmash]

Woah, Olimar. Let's see how this turns out.

 

[ChronoPenguin]

I get why, but I find it to be just scrubby.

But given how I play MOBAs and how some other games go I really gotta just say no johns. It opens up variety and game-play so I welcome it. If people hate it oh well I won't change their mind.

I get it to an extent, Rusaluma is probably one of the least interesting Zoning characters with default specials. Conceptually interesting for what she can do...but she's probably low on my list of most undesired MU's to fight and to spectate.

 

[NairWizard]

Let's see how his Olimar fairs against M2K's Diddy.

pun intended?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

That Olimar won it.

 

[thehard]

I think Dabuz can bring this back

 

[RanserSSF4]

Olimar is one of the only few zoner characters I like to watch

He's being overlooked in Smash 4.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

On my 2-2 now.

 

[RobinOnDrugs]

And Dabuz levels the playing field!

Get ready for game 5!

 

[HeroMystic]

Dabuz bringing it back. That's my boi.