Character Board Specific Matchup Chart Project (Last Update: 12/21)- Not a tier list!

[Timbers]

I am honestly leaning towards Neo's. Without the text in the chart and maybe more prominent mediums to seperate the sections a bit better.

I think DanGR's could have potential to sway my vote if the background was a bit darker. As sad, it's a bit "glaring" right now with the white background.

 

[Shy Guy 86]

Also, I'm interested How will this chart tell Shiek/Zelda's advantages, since there is no Shiek/Zelda board, only a seperate Sheik and Zelda one.

 

[DanGR]

Also, I'm interested How will this chart tell Shiek/Zelda's advantages, since there is no Shiek/Zelda board, only a seperate Sheik and Zelda one.

They've got matchups for using both in one fight. Here's one I was linked earlier:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=174741

Generally, if both are used in one fight, they have a better time against the opponent than if they were alone. Zelda can be independent, but Sheik needs Zelda to kill efficiently.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

We created a new match-up thread on the wolf boards. It's still pretty empty, since Mario's the only character for now (we update it weekly) but at least we'll have some numbers and all that stuff for the future...

just gotta search the link...

Edit: That's the link... http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=188329

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

They've got matchups for using both in one fight. Here's one I was linked earlier:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=174741

Generally, if both are used in one fight, they have a better time against the opponent than if they were alone. Zelda can be independent, but Sheik needs Zelda to kill efficiently.

not NECISSARLY true.... Ike, Ivy and olimar, for example, die more often to gimping from shiek than they do to power from Zelda.

 

[DanGR]

Everyone- Neo's new chart has sparked some debate over which chart should be up. I added a darker background to the chart that it currently up for you guys to compare. The first is the original, the second is with a darker background, (half of it anyways) and the third is Neo's most recent chart. Just tell me which you like better and why.

Also, Neo's chart has a red, orange, green, blue, purple color scheme. Do you guys like that better?

P.s-I'm trying to make everyone happy, but it's hard. :/

 

[JJR.O.B.]

when is ROB going to be added

 

[Timbers]

Second one is great, but you really should start saving your charts as .png. The quality is much nicer and the colors won't bleed.

 

[Mr.Victory07]

Hmm, i cant tell the difference much between the darker one, but i still like Neo's better

 

[The Slayer]

I say Neo's. I guess people need glasses if they want to see that one. XP

 

[vanderzant]

Here are two matchups that both communities/character boards agree on for Pikachu. All of Pikachu's matchup discussions don't use numbers, rather they usually have a general statement i.e. "pikachu has a slight disadvantage".

1. Pikachu vs Lucas (Even)

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=183767

4. Pikachu: 50-50. Summary up soon

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=180503

Overall Matchup:

pika=lucas

2. Pikachu vs Olimar (Olimar Slight advantage)

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=185014

Pikachu: 55-45

^This means Olimar has a 55-45 advantage, as is made clear on the linked page and not the other way around.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=181840

Overall Matchup

Olimar has a slight advantage.

Hope this helps!

 

[Talvi]

I vote for Neo's

 

[DanGR]

when is ROB going to be added

I've been using OS' new matchup thread. It's relatively new and it's more accurate and recent than any other matchup thread I've been given for Rob. Look under "matchup threads" in the OP for the link.

Second one is great, but you really should start saving your charts as .png. The quality is much nicer and the colors won't bleed.

Err, my bad. It will get fixed. I had problems figuring out how... >_> (don't ask)

1. Pikachu vs Lucas (Even)
2. Pikachu vs Olimar (Olimar Slight advantage)

I'll put Lucas as even, but Olimar v Pikachu is too close to call it either way. I'm considering 55/45-45/55 even. And thanks.

Edit: I think I saved it as a png. It's the second one. Can you tell a difference?

 

[MK26]

Here are all of the threads that you don't have

Donkey Kong - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=173752
(very in-depth but on very few characters, and no numbers)

Ice Climbers - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=162441
(yay for numbers!)

Luigi - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=174824
(good info, but only on 1/3 of the cast)

Mario - 3 separate threads on matchup discussion
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=174907
(just a discussion, no numbers...or even a central OP)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=155877
(yay numbers...but seems a little off - only info on Fox is "SUX")
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=184035
(doesn't have every character, and contradicts thread #2 with some info)

Meta Knight - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=179463
(very in depth, but no numbers and only 1/3 of the cast)

Ness - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=188116
(just started...only on day 3)

Samus - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=183602
(I dunno, they say that Samus is neutral with D3, even with the infinite...but other than that its good)

Snake - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=175515
(focuses mainly on problem matchups...just assume everything else is advantage Snake amirite?)

Toon Link - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=169292
(woah gold star of approv...wait its only half done)

And the boards that dont have one...

Bowser - ...not much of a matchup thread
Diddy Kong - not even worth the copypasta...
Ike - guide with outdated matchups
Jigglypuff - guide without matchups
Link - vote on matchups
Sonic - several weekly threads but no central one

If anyone can link to a thread that I didn't find, I'll be surprised...I used the search function.

EDIT:

and we really shouldn't focus on the background colour cuz when this is all filled in, we wont see any of the background! I vote for the first chart, because the second chart messed up on the lettering with the purple background (see the O in Falco) and the names inside the grid of the third chart are too distracting.

Also

The five squares in the top and bottom left corners of the grid should go:

big adv

Spoiler

-----

even

Spoiler

-----

big dis

Spoiler

---------

adv

Spoiler

-------

dis

aka (according to present colour scheme)

blue

Spoiler

-----

yellow

Spoiler

-------

red

Spoiler

----

green

Spoiler

-----

orange

This way, the big advantage is closest to you and the big disadvantage is closest to the opponent

 

[Shy Guy 86]

The Colour Scheme is good, it should be like this

Big Disadvantage- Red
Small Disadvantage- Yellow/Orange
Neutral- Green/Yellow
Small Advantage- Blue/Green
Big Advantage- Purple/Blue

its either the first or the 2nd choice, I'd go for the first one

DanGR, Are you keeping this unfinished until all the boards agree, I think every board should do a 2 day cycle(like the Luigi Boards) so it can finish faster.

 

[DanGR]

comments in green.

Here are all of the threads that you don't have

Donkey Kong - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=173752
(very in-depth but on very few characters, and no numbers)

I used to use this thread, but I was informed that it was inaccurate and it didn't reflect the current metagame of DK. A group of about 5 excellent DK users are putting together what they feel like are the matchups. This will be linked and added when it gets finished.

Ice Climbers - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=162441
(yay for numbers!)

I'll look into this. I have this feeling in the back of my mind that I said no to this thread a while back.

Luigi - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=174824
(good info, but only on 1/3 of the cast)

will add now.

Mario - 3 separate threads on matchup discussion
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=174907
(just a discussion, no numbers...or even a central OP)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=155877
(yay numbers...but seems a little off - only info on Fox is "SUX")
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=184035
(doesn't have every character, and contradicts thread #2 with some info)

I'll need one central matchup thread that's updated at LEAST monthly. The second one actually fits the spot. There's daily discussion and it's updated daily from what I can tell. I'll use it until anyone disagrees or points me to a different thread that's better or somethin.

Meta Knight - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=179463
(very in depth, but no numbers and only 1/3 of the cast)

no identification to whether it's disadvantage, neutral, or advantage. can't use it.

Ness - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=188116
(just started...only on day 3)

I like that thread.

Samus - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=183602
(I dunno, they say that Samus is neutral with D3, even with the infinite...but other than that its good)

There isn't even discussion in that thread. There's only arbitrary numbers that don't even make sense. No reasoning behind their placement. Samus v DDD is 60/40 samus w/o the infinite, but neutral with the infinite? huh?

Snake - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=175515
(focuses mainly on problem matchups...just assume everything else is advantage Snake amirite?)

wrong. lol. I'll get the details from the poster later.

Toon Link - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=169292
(woah gold star of approv...wait its only half done)

It's terribly outdated and bias. Olimar is regarded as one of their hardest matchups by most people on both sides. This thread has him a 60/40 advantage TL. >_>

And the boards that dont have one...

Bowser - ...not much of a matchup thread
Diddy Kong - not even worth the copypasta...
Ike - guide with outdated matchups
Jigglypuff - guide without matchups
Link - vote on matchups
Sonic - several weekly threads but no central one

If anyone can link to a thread that I didn't find, I'll be surprised...I used the search function.

EDIT:

and we really shouldn't focus on the background colour cuz when this is all filled in, we wont see any of the background! I vote for the first chart, because the second chart messed up on the lettering with the purple background (see the O in Falco) and the names inside the grid of the third chart are too distracting.


I agree, but until then, it does matter.

DanGR, Are you keeping this unfinished until all the boards agree, I think every board should do a 2 day cycle(like the Luigi Boards) so it can finish faster.

I'm not concerned in the least bit about how long it takes for this to get done. If the matchup analyses are rushed, it probably won't be as accurate as it would be if they took their time anyways. I took on this project knowing this. And to answer your question, I update regularly when I get the info. I haven't had much to update lately. I only update if BOTH boards agree on a matchup.

 

[Tenki]

Orange and green don't work too well for my eyes, if you catch what I mean.
^^;

 

[Shy Guy 86]

Orange and green don't work too well for my eyes, if you catch what I mean.
^^;

Colour Blind?, if so, that must be painful. or you just don't like them

 

[Count]

Some stuff that I think think both boards would agree with concerning diddy:

falco: large advantage vs diddy

wario: small advantage vs diddy

Rob: medium advantage over diddy

peach: medium advantage over diddy

 

[Shy Guy 86]

Some stuff that I think think both boards would agree with concerning diddy:

falco: large advantage vs diddy

The Falco boards have this 60:40 Falco's Favour, but since NinjaLink(or something like that)(who might be the best diddy) also said that Falco has a huge advantage, it depends on who is more reliable, Same goes for the IC's who listed Falco as a 40-60 Falco's Favour, while the Falco boards have it Neutral.

EDIT: Also, whats the difference between the first and Second list(not neo's) and maybe you can put the winning chart on the OP and the other one in a spolier(if it works) or give a link to it.

 

[Vyse]

It's general consensus that Falco has a clearer advantage over Diddy than any other character does, however, it's also general consensus that Diddy doesn't have any impossible matchups. Just really really hard ones.

EDIT:

Falco is prolly the worst. Luigi is hard to do follow ups. GW is annoying. Lucario never dies. Robs the same.

I know the matchup thread we have isn't much of a matchup thread at the moment. I'll see what I can do to kickstart the matchup analysis thread in the subforum.

 

[Shy Guy 86]

DanGR, There are some boards that I didn't find a matchup thread(Diddy) and some that don't list a difficulty level(MK), what are you going to do about that?

 

[Clevr]

Chart 2 is has the nicest appearance, and is easiest to read. Color scheme is great.

Go with Chart 2.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Chart 2 is has the nicest appearance, and is easiest to read. Color scheme is great.

Go with Chart 2.

while I agree... I mean. I think WAAAAYYYY too much of this thread is being devoted to the whole "which chart works best"


can we leave it alone please?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Still Neo's (could you switch purple a few shades darker though)?

The name overlays are tres convenient btw.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

seems pretty ideal to me?

 

[MK26]

comments in green.

(stuff)

(comments)

You missed my suggestion for the squares...

The five squares in the top and bottom left corners of the grid should go:

big adv

Spoiler

-----

even

Spoiler

-----

big dis

Spoiler

---------

adv

Spoiler

-------

dis

aka (according to present colour scheme, which can be changed)

blue

Spoiler

-----

yellow

Spoiler

-------

red

Spoiler

----

green

Spoiler

-----

orange

This way, the big advantage is closest to you and the big disadvantage is closest to the opponent

 

[Morrigan]

seems pretty ideal to me?

That's too gay (LOL)

Green shouldn't be the Neutral color, everyone sees green as a "good thing".

Blue, Green, Yellow, Orange, Red are excellent, why change it?

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

That's too gay (LOL)

Green shouldn't be the Neutral color, everyone sees green as a "good thing".

Blue, Green, Yellow, Orange, Red are excellent, why change it?

everyone was complaining that yellow was too harsh to the eye... so I kinda took it out and spread the colour scale out a bit

 

[neoREgen]

Still Neo's (could you switch purple a few shades darker though)?

The name overlays are tres convenient btw.

Yes, but I'll do it when/if we decide it's best to use my chart. I'd like to keep voting consistent and not make DanGR post another version.

Blue, Green, Yellow, Orange, Red are excellent, why change it?

I don't find yellow to be a neutral color at all. It's alarming (green -Yellow -RED stoplights). It's actually scientifically the 'most irritating' color to the human eye due to it's very limited portion of the color spectrum.

From Wikipedia - Visible Spectrum:
violet 380–450 nm (range is 70)
blue 450–495 nm (range is 45)
green 495–570 nm (range is 75)
yellow 570–590 nm (range is 20)
orange 590–620 nm (range is 30)
red 620–750 nm (range is 70)

Because yellow and orange have the smallest range in the visible spectrum, they are more difficult to differentiate than any other color.

Green shouldn't be the Neutral color, everyone sees green as a "good thing".

Why shouldn't an equal fight be a good thing? ; )
Blue and purple means the fight'll be easier. Red and orange means it'll be more difficult. I think that's very fitting of the common color roles.

 

[Morrigan]

(you got the gay joke right?)

If Blue, Green, Yellow, Orange, Red are used on Neo's new chart (WITHOUT THE NAMES PLEASE) I don't think it'll be that much of a problem to see.

Who thinks it's too harsh for the eye anyway?

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

(you got the gay joke right?)

If Blue, Green, Yellow, Orange, Red are used on Neo's new chart (WITHOUT THE NAMES PLEASE) I don't think it'll be that much of a problem to see.

Who thinks it's too harsh for the eye anyway?

yes it was soooooo funny <_<

Bah I don't care... I can see the colours fine myself either way

I can't remember exactly... but someone said so... go back and read thread.

 

[Morrigan]

Oh okay then let's change everything because of one person.

 

[MK26]

Uhhh...Ganondorf v Kirby is agreed by both boards as 60-40 Kirby. Where do you see that they disagree with each other.

And about the colours, why dont we just compromise and make neutral green-yellow, rather than one or the other?

 

[neoREgen]

Dekuu, I'm not sure if you mean to or not, but please stop trolling.

 

[Timbers]

Again, colors are fine. Unless we used like, gray, for the neutral matchups, then I can't think of a better color than yellow for "neutral."

Plus being able to relate the colors to wifi's latency colors I think is effective.

 

[Morrigan]

Dekuu, I'm not sure if you mean to or not, but please stop trolling.

I am not trolling at all. I just don't see why we don't stick to the original colors (Red to Blue), just like Melee's.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/786/phannassbmcharactermatcec9.gif

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

I am not trolling at all. I just don't see why we don't stick to the original colors (Red to Blue), just like Melee's.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/786/phannassbmcharactermatcec9.gif

oh god... without numbers that is IMPOSSIBLE to read. >.<

 

[Morrigan]

That's why they are there

 

[Shy Guy 86]

seems pretty ideal to me?

I'd go with that

All the people who say green is not a neutral color, it is.