Character Board Specific Matchup Chart Project (Last Update: 12/21)- Not a tier list!

[~ Gheb ~]

Why so complicated? Simple stuff is usually more effective. Who cares about those little details? If they want to know it that exactly they can look it up at the character specific boards

 

[Remzi]

The Marth board is basically done with their matchups, we'll probably be doing revisions by this weekend actually.

 

[Steeler]

any way to get the cool engraved look for the numbers on gimp?

 

[DanGR]

How should I put the matchups with .05s in them? Ex. 65-35, 45-55, 75-25. I mean, 4.5, 6.5, and 7.5 won't fit...

 

[Mmac]

How about just putting in the normal 2 digit number in the Squares?

Ie.

_\ |65
35| \

I'm pretty sure people can decrypt what they mean.

 

[Steeler]

i don't think both digits will fit comfortably.

 

[Adapt]

any way to get the cool engraved look for the numbers on gimp?

It should work the same way on the gimp as it does it photoshop. I do believe you do have the same layer blending options.

I explained how to do it in an earlier post.

Speaking of which... DanGR, Did you read my previous post? If Zamz is sending you psds then you can just email me one and I'll set up some layers for you.

 

[Ussi]

Yeah, Ussi, I'm getting these matchups from both the Ike matchup threads and the other boards' threads. If there is disagreement for a matchup, I don't include it into the chart. You've got nothing to worry about as long as you think your matchup threads are correct.

Would you mind getting Cambriel (was it him?) to include matchup numbers or odds into his matchup thread? I like it better than the one that's up right now.

Edit: This is the thread I'm refering to: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=192160
It's YagamiLight's thread. There's no difficulty rating in it, so I can't use it.

We, the Ike board, decided that rating it is pointless since everyone would come in and say its wrong. So we just say how to win, not the chance of winning.

 

[Steeler]

well ussi i thought we came to a good, agreed upon conclusion regarding squirtle and charizard. ivysaur is the only pokemon that is not agreed upon.

 

[Ussi]

I wouldn't really say we, i left the discussion in the beginning/middle after IRL complained about lag. I don't think even Light was there. I still don't agree with half the things there. And probably PT is the same way. But Take this to heart, You're the only **** character who everyone thinks their character 7/3's

I think PT can never have a real match up #. It's really player's main Dependant. You need 7 separate numbers. one each for alone best, one each for using two of the three equally best, and one for that ONE RARE PERSON who can use all 3 equally.

 

[XienZo]

I wouldn't really say we, i left the discussion in the beginning/middle after IRL complained about lag. I don't think even Light was there. I still don't agree with half the things there. And probably PT is the same way. But Take this to heart, You're the only **** character who everyone thinks their character 7/3's

I think PT can never have a real match up #. It's really player's main Dependant. You need 7 separate numbers. one each for alone best, one each for using two of the three equally best, and one for that ONE RARE PERSON who can use all 3 equally.

Then we take the # of that one rare person.

 

[Praxis]

WTF??!!? NO!!!

How is that even possible??!?!

Huh? How is what?

 

[MK26]

How should I put the matchups with .05s in them? Ex. 65-35, 45-55, 75-25. I mean, 4.5, 6.5, and 7.5 won't fit...

Leave them as their simplified versions (ex. 65-35 = 60-40). An advantage is an advantage is an advantage, and if you add up all the 5-point disagreements in your chart, it will get blank FAST.

If you add all the 05 matchups, the legend will get more cramped

The few matchups that are 100% agreed on may be harder to decipher if the colour choices are too close

Leave 55-45's as neutral as well...it's basically an advantage. If you put 55-45 as advantage, then you'd probably have to put 65-35 as large advantage...and 65-35 is not large advantage

Just my 2 cents

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I completely agree with MK26. As I said: It's better and more effective if you leave it like that

 

[ice-]

Just curious why g&w goes neutral with mk

 

[TP]

I'd like to complain about Ganon being only neutral with Falcon. Ganon's April match up thread says even, but the new one says 65:35. Falcon's thread says neutral, but they say a viable strategy is to bait ganoncides. Yeah, we've been putting a lot of work into Ganon's metagame, and we came to the conclusion that doing a move that ends in death if we fail is a great idea. We are so confident in our ganoncides, we'll do them away from the stage. Falcon's thread is also several months old. I would hope that it either gets changed or the Falcon boards reconsider the match up.

 

[Steeler]

I wouldn't really say we, i left the discussion in the beginning/middle after IRL complained about lag. I don't think even Light was there. I still don't agree with half the things there. And probably PT is the same way. But Take this to heart, You're the only **** character who everyone thinks their character 7/3's

I think PT can never have a real match up #. It's really player's main Dependant. You need 7 separate numbers. one each for alone best, one each for using two of the three equally best, and one for that ONE RARE PERSON who can use all 3 equally.

this post is too good. too. ****. good.

 

[DanGR]

Just curious why g&w goes neutral with mk

I'm going to change it to undecided.

this post

I agree, the falcon matchup thread is too old and outdated. I'll look for a different one.

this post is too good. too. ****. good.

It's sad.

@Ussi, I understand what you're saying. A similar problem happened to the DK boards. I allowed the top DK players to make their own matchup thread on AiB that I'd use simply because it's what they think represents the DK metagame. Look at the link in the OP. You guys can do the same if you want. If not, all of Ike's matchups will stay blank.

Edit:

I completely agree with MK26. As I said: It's better and more effective if you leave it like that

I agree as well.

45-55 through 55-45 will be given the number 5.
60-40 through 65-45 will be given 6.
70-30 through 75-25 will be given 7.
So on and so forth.

 

[choknater]

you fools! what about 80:20!

90:10!

100:0!

THOSE ARE MY FAVORITE MATCHUPS!

SHEIK VS GANONDORF


110:-10!!!!!!!

 

[Mmac]

Some News on Yoshi and Falco

-MetaKnight on the other (Good) Matchup has agreed on Even with Yoshi also, so taking it off is unnecessary
-We have agreed on Yoshi=ZSS, and Yoshi>Samus.
-Dedede and DK we no longer think has an advantage over us.

And Falco revived their old Matchup Thread - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=167202

 

[choknater]

when will you ever say something negative about yoshi?

 

[Lord Yawgmoth]

SHEIK VS GANONDORF


110:-10!!!!!!!

It easily gets more amusing each time I hear you regard this matchup. Your making it so I can hardly wait to play a ganondorf. : P



And DanGR, it is definitely coming along good
*pat on back*

 

[choknater]

Yeah cuz with each passing second, Sheik gets stronger and Ganondorf gets weaker.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And with each time you say "Sheik vs Ganon = 100:0 lololololololol" the less credible it sounds ;(

 

[Mmac]

when will you ever say something negative about yoshi?

Negative? Yoshi? I don't get the language you are speaking

 

[choknater]

And with each time you say "Sheik vs Ganon = 100:0 lololololololol" the less credible it sounds ;(

lol, seriously though. ganon really doesn't have a chance.

maybe i should say 70:30 just to give people a compromise... less extravagance

but hell

i can never imagine a real sheik losing to ganondorf. ever. there's absolutely no way the slowest close range character can beat the fastest.

Negative? Yoshi? I don't get the language you are speaking

lol, just saying. i never hear you acknowledging yoshi's weaknesses (even if you do, i don't hear it) so it's hard to believe you sometimes. in fact, if it wasn't for your widespread enthusiasm, Yoshi wouldn't be even with MK on the matchup chart. (however i do agree that yoshi is even with him )

 

[~ Gheb ~]

no choknater, I wasn't referring to the fact, that Sheik has such a large advantage...which may be the case (I agree that it's huge). It's just the fact that you mention it so often. I think ppl know it by now

 

[choknater]

oh, hahah. i see

69:31 on falcon.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

69:31 vs Falcon? KK, go tell that to the pl in teh character specific boards

 

[Mmac]

lol, just saying. i never hear you acknowledging yoshi's weaknesses (even if you do, i don't hear it) so it's hard to believe you sometimes. in fact, if it wasn't for your widespread enthusiasm, Yoshi wouldn't be even with MK on the matchup chart. (however i do agree that yoshi is even with him )

I do clearly say in some threads though, that Yoshi has trouble killing with most characters, and his Shield Game is bad. However those are really the only 2 things I admit to. Everything else is minor at worst and can get around easily.

Yoshi's not perfect, but he is still not really getting the credit he deserves

oh, hahah. i see

69:31 on falcon.

69:31? No way!

It's 68:32. Falcon is too manly to give in.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

lol, seriously though. ganon really doesn't have a chance.

maybe i should say 70:30 just to give people a compromise... less extravagance

but hell

i can never imagine a real sheik losing to ganondorf. ever. there's absolutely no way the slowest close range character can beat the fastest.

80/20 doesn't sound as "OMG TEH BROKENNESS" but is still absolutely true... it's a **** matchup.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

most characters vs ganon is a **** match-up though...

 

[Mmac]

Another update. We updated and revised the the Yoshi Matchups into a pretty, handy, and compact PNG File.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8971/yoshimatchuv12gw9.png

It's almost finalized from the current Yoshi MetaGame, but Falco, Lucario, and Zelda are still under heavy debate. Snake and ROB are being look into too, but for everyone else it's nearly perfect.

I'll contact you Dan if the Chart gets updated. Also you probably need to change Yoshi vs. Jigglypuff to undecided... again

 

[MK26]

Kirby board matchup changes:

Advantage (60-40)
Ike (changed from 70-30)
Sheik/Zelda

Small Advantage (55-45):Mario (changed from 45-55)
Samus (changed from 40-60)

Neutral (50-50):
Toon Link (changed from 60-40)
Wolf (changed from 60-40)

Small Disadvantage (45-55):
Mr. Game&Watch (changed from 40-60)

Disadvantage (40-60):
Marth (changed from 30-70)


S/Z, Mario, Wolf, and Marth boards agree with the new changes, not sure about the others

Question: Why is Meta Knight vs. Olimar an exception? I don't understand your explanation for it?

EDIT:

Another update. We updated and revised the the Yoshi Matchups into a pretty, handy, and compact PNG File.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8971/yoshimatchuv12gw9.png

It's almost finalized from the current Yoshi MetaGame, but Falco, Lucario, and Zelda are still under heavy debate. Snake and ROB are being look into too, but for everyone else it's nearly perfect.

I'll contact you Dan if the Chart gets updated. Also you probably need to change Yoshi vs. Jigglypuff to undecided... again

In the Yoshi thread it says Link is a 3, but in the link it says 3.5...typo?

 

[choknater]

Another update. We updated and revised the the Yoshi Matchups into a pretty, handy, and compact PNG File.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8971/yoshimatchuv12gw9.png

It's almost finalized from the current Yoshi MetaGame, but Falco, Lucario, and Zelda are still under heavy debate. Snake and ROB are being look into too, but for everyone else it's nearly perfect.

I'll contact you Dan if the Chart gets updated. Also you probably need to change Yoshi vs. Jigglypuff to undecided... again

OMG, that is cute!!!!!

 

[Mmac]

In the Yoshi thread it says Link is a 3, but in the link it says 3.5...typo?

Nah, the old Matchup Thread hasn't been updated for months. People have been longing for a revision. this is the revision.

OMG, that is cute!!!!!

I was aiming for something that fits Yoshi's Style. I think I did my job

 

[Browny]

I dont recall seing any yoshi match-up threads going into other characters forums to ask for thier opinion. when the whole point of this thread is so that both sides agree on a match-up, youre picture doesnt seem to have too much weight in any argument :/

 

[Mmac]

I dont recall seing any yoshi match-up threads going into other characters forums to ask for thier opinion. when the whole point of this thread is so that both sides agree on a match-up, youre picture doesnt seem to have too much weight in any argument :/

We'll it's because they take forever to discuss us. Most of the character matchup boards want to do the "Important" Characters first, and usually save us for last.

We're done our matchup's (mostly), we're just waiting on everyone else now

 

[Blackbelt]

We'll it's because they take forever to discuss us. Most of the character matchup boards want to do the "Important" Characters first, and usually save us for last.

We're done our matchup's (mostly), we're just waiting on everyone else now

Hey, the only reason the Lucas' haven't discussed Yoshi yet is because, honestly, you guys keep discovering new stuff, making older discussions worthless.


Stop discovering stuff, than we'll discuss Yoshi.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Hey, the only reason the Lucas' haven't discussed Yoshi yet is because, honestly, you guys keep discovering new stuff, making older discussions worthless.


Stop discovering stuff, than we'll discuss Yoshi.

QFT

Just let Yoshi suck. That's better for everyone