Mmac
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Why you so mean to Yoshi Gheb? What he ever did to you? 
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Character Board Specific Matchup Chart Project (Last Update: 12/21)- Not a tier list!
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Oh yeah, Sonic vs Marth has been agreed on both boards to be 65:35 in Marth's favour.
AndrewCarlson
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If I'm not mistaken, Pit and DK boards agree to 60-40 in Pit's favor.
cman
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How do you figure?
wangston
Smash Lord
Another match up chart cool beans. And this one goes off the official match up discussions. I like it. I give props to the TC
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Olimar v MK was just an example. I really don't know how to explain it any further than I have in the OP. would someone else mind trying? (if any of you guys understand, that is...)
Everyone- this post format above helps a lot. When you say "I think ____ has the advantage," it doesn't really help much. I've still got to look through everything. With this^, I can just trust that you looked in both threads I linked in the OP like Gheb did and saw these matchups that were agreed to.
Edit: I'm going to add the numbers later. It takes a while and I've been busy with school this past week. I'll have them up by the end of tomorrow at the latest.
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To celebrate our upcoming 50th page, let's take a look at the chart I had up in the beginning. lulz
One more thing. I'm sorry for everyone that followed the alphabetically ordered chart, but it's too much work. I simply can't double the hours I'm already working on the chart. I've got a life.
choknater
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what's with your sig
never apologize to those darned steak lovers
never apologize to those darned steak lovers
a little thing i noticed...
you have the falco/pt matchup down, and changed zard/falco to undecided. this is fine. however, the falco matchup thread doesn't even have an analysis on pt up. it's based off of our thread discussing it with that board. the pt board has done this for every single matchup thus far, and seems to be the reason why most of the matchups are blank although we've discussed with that board.
idk, it'd be nice if you could put up the rest of the matchups or just take falco's down. i'm not even sure on it, and think that falco could have a bigger advantage than anticipated. do you see what i'm saying? i guess an explanation would be cool here.
if you really wanted to go off of both boards, then only marth, mk, yoshi, part of link, and pt himself would count.
btw
link<squirtle
link ivysaur undecided
link>charizard
link pt undecided
you have the falco/pt matchup down, and changed zard/falco to undecided. this is fine. however, the falco matchup thread doesn't even have an analysis on pt up. it's based off of our thread discussing it with that board. the pt board has done this for every single matchup thus far, and seems to be the reason why most of the matchups are blank although we've discussed with that board.
idk, it'd be nice if you could put up the rest of the matchups or just take falco's down. i'm not even sure on it, and think that falco could have a bigger advantage than anticipated. do you see what i'm saying? i guess an explanation would be cool here.
if you really wanted to go off of both boards, then only marth, mk, yoshi, part of link, and pt himself would count.
btw
link<squirtle
link ivysaur undecided
link>charizard
link pt undecided
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Marth > Sonic.
Agreed on both boards.
For our match-up table in Sonic thread, look to my first post there (post #3)
The updated table is there.
Agreed on both boards.
For our match-up table in Sonic thread, look to my first post there (post #3)
The updated table is there.
PkTrainerCris
Smash Ace
Emm... why Link vs Ivy undecided?? I thought we had it neutral ( i also think it should be ivys advantage ), but the agreement with the link board was neutral
Lord Yawgmoth
Smash Apprentice
also, Zelda = Wolf
Mmac
Smash Lord
Here are the ones that are disagreed
Bowser:
- We Have: Yoshi > Bowser
- They Have: Not Yet Discussed
C. Falcon:
- We Have: Yoshi > Falcon
- They Have: Yoshi = Falcon
DK:
- We Have: Yoshi = DK
- They Have: Undiscussed in new Matchup Thread, Yoshi < DK in old Matchup Thread
New Matchup Here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=193883
Falco:
- We Have: Unknown, still under heavy debate
- They Have: Not yet discussed in both Old and New Matchup Threads
New Matchup Here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=167202
G&W:
-We Have: Yoshi << G&W
-They Have: Not Yet Discussed
Ganondorf:
-We Have: Yoshi >> Ganondorf
-They Have: Not Yet Discussed
Ike:
-We Have: Yoshi = Ike
-They Have: Yoshi = Ike in old Matchup Thread, Not yet discussed in New Matchup Thread
New Matchup Here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=192160
Jigglypuff:
-We Have: Yoshi >> Jigglypuff
-They Have: Yoshi > Jigglypuff in old Matchup thread, Not yet discussed in new matchup thread
New Matchup Thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=192160
Dedede:
-We Have: Yoshi = Dedede
-They have: Yoshi < Dedede in old Matchup Thread, Not Yet Discussed in New Matchup Thread
New Matchup Here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=192600
Link:
-We Have: Yoshi < Link
-They Have: Matchup Thread Closed Down? O_o
Lucario:
-We Have: Yoshi < Lucario (Still under minor debate)
-They Have: Not Yet Discussed
Lucas:
-We Have: Yoshi > Lucas
-They Have: Not Yet Discussed
Ness:
-We Have: Yoshi = Ness
-They Have: Not Yet Discussed
Peach:
-We Have: Yoshi = Peach
-They Have: Not Yet Discussed
Pikachu:
-We Have: Yoshi = Pikachu
-They Have: Not Yet Discussed
Snake:
-We Have: Yoshi = Snake (Still under debate)
-They Have: No Proper Matchup Thread
Sonic:
-We Have: Yoshi > Sonic
-They Have: Not Yet Discussed
Toon Link:
-We Have: Yoshi = Toon Link (Recently Changed)
-They Have: Not Yet Discussed
Wario:
-We Have: Yoshi >> Wario (Under Debate)
-They have: Yoshi >> Wario in old Matchup Thread, Generally Yoshi > Wario in new Matchup Thread
New Thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=196010
Wolf:
-We Have: Yoshi < Wolf
-They Have: Yoshi < Wolf
Zelda:
-We Have: Yoshi < Zelda (Under Debate)
-They Have: Yoshi = Zelda in Z+S Thread, Not Yet Discussed in Zelda Matchup Thread
The Agreed Numbers for the Matchups are:
MetaKnight: 45-55 MetaKnight
ROB: 40-60 ROB
Marth: 35-65 Marth
Wario: 70:30 Yoshi but might drop...
Diddy: 50-50 Neutral
Ice Climbers: 55-45 Yoshi
Kirby: 50-50 Neutral
Pit: 50-50 Neutral
Wolf: 40-60 Wolf
Olimar: 60:40 Yoshi
Fox: 50-50 Neutral
ZSS: 55-45 Yoshi
Luigi: 50-50 Neutral
Ike: 50-50 Neutral
Sheik: 50-50 Neutral
Mario: 50-50 Neutral
PT: 55-45 Yoshi
Squirtle: 70-30 Yoshi
Ivysaur: 55-45 Yoshi
Charizard: 50-50 Neutral
Samus: 60-40 Yoshi
Finally, I updated the Chart for the Yoshi Matchups
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/8750/yoshimatchupv13ip1.png
MK26
Smash Master
MMac, about that chart...why is it all the disadvantaged matchups that are debateable?
Uhh...Kirbys have decided on 40-60 vs. G&W, G&W board has nothing
Our matchup ratings (* denotes agreement):
Large Advantage (70-30):
Bowser
Captain Falcon (They have it at 60-40)
Fox (They have it at 65-35)
Ivysaur
Link*
Advantage (60-40):
Charizard
Diddy Kong
Ganondorf
Jigglypuff*
Ike (they have it at 50-50)
Olimar*
Sheik*
Sonic*
Sheik/Zelda* (You have it as advantage S/Z)
Small Advantage (55-45):
Falco*
King Dedede*
Luigi*
Mario*
Samus
Zero Suit Samus*
Neutral (50-50):
Donkey Kong
Kirby*
Lucas
Ness*
Peach*
Pikachu
Squirtle
Toon Link (They have it at 30-70!)
Wolf*
Yoshi*
Small Disadvantage (45-55):
Lucario*
Meta Knight (They have it at 40-60)
Pit
Wario*
Disadvantage (40-60):
Ice Climbers*
Marth*
Mr. Game&Watch
R.O.B.
Snake
Zelda*
Idea: in matchups where there is a disagreement, divide the square in half and in one half put one board's rating and in the other half put the other board's rating...just a thought
Uhh...Kirbys have decided on 40-60 vs. G&W, G&W board has nothing
Our matchup ratings (* denotes agreement):
Large Advantage (70-30):
Bowser
Captain Falcon (They have it at 60-40)
Fox (They have it at 65-35)
Ivysaur
Link*
Advantage (60-40):
Charizard
Diddy Kong
Ganondorf
Jigglypuff*
Ike (they have it at 50-50)
Olimar*
Sheik*
Sonic*
Sheik/Zelda* (You have it as advantage S/Z)
Small Advantage (55-45):
Falco*
King Dedede*
Luigi*
Mario*
Samus
Zero Suit Samus*
Neutral (50-50):
Donkey Kong
Kirby*
Lucas
Ness*
Peach*
Pikachu
Squirtle
Toon Link (They have it at 30-70!)
Wolf*
Yoshi*
Small Disadvantage (45-55):
Lucario*
Meta Knight (They have it at 40-60)
Pit
Wario*
Disadvantage (40-60):
Ice Climbers*
Marth*
Mr. Game&Watch
R.O.B.
Snake
Zelda*
Idea: in matchups where there is a disagreement, divide the square in half and in one half put one board's rating and in the other half put the other board's rating...just a thought
Mmac
Smash Lord
That isn't true at all. Lucario is being discussed if he's actually HARDER, Zelda could go either way, Bowser is already in easy, and Link is either way
ROB is already final, thats a typo. I think I meant to move it to Wario
nope
We have Wolf > Zelda; Ankoku, EL and Omniswell all kinda agreed. The Zelda board is - how surprising - the only one who has it as nautral ;(
Lord Yawgmoth
Smash Apprentice
Im sorry, last time I checked your thread you had it listed as 55:45 zelda.nope
We have Wolf > Zelda; Ankoku, EL and Omniswell all kinda agreed. The Zelda board is - how surprising - the only one who has it as nautral ;(
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=198375
Then again, the last posts i checked in your thread had it in wolfs favor. (same as ours, but 55:45, which i thought was being considered nuetral?)
Omniswell mentioned 65-35 at first, but i was under the impression that he thought less of the advantage with his later posts.
if its different, its different. my apologies. (I actually think wolf has an advantage, but the two threads seemed to say 'not by much')
JackieRabbit5
Smash Journeyman
great chart, would like to see it filled out more but i know how speculative and debatable it all is
PkTrainerCris
Smash Ace
mmMmac charizard vs yoshi is 55:45 ofr charizard agreed ¬¬
Lord Yawgmoth
Smash Apprentice
haha, I know he didn't think Zelda is 35:65, thats not even questionable. Wolf has the advantage. The question was is it more than 55:45, but no-one spoke numbers in the last couple pages.
Hmm, well I guess the boards are of a different oppinion. I would think that there could be an agreement between the boards on what the matchup truely is, otherwise this is going to take forever to evaluate.
That said, I have no sway on the Zelda boards.
ZeroFox
Smash Lord
Interesting and useful thread. Thanks for your work!
And lol @ MK. What a baller.
And lol @ MK. What a baller.
Mmac
Smash Lord
Wario to Small Advantage, though exact Numbering is still debatable
Jigglypuff back to Small Advantage agreement, again Numbering is debatable
Zelda is even according to Ankoku's Sheik/Zelda Matchup Chart... so I guess it's even for now... but it's still debateable....
Lord Yawgmoth
Smash Apprentice
pretty interesting that you capitalized 'Link'One more thing. I'm sorry for everyone that followed the alphabetically ordered chart, but it's too much work. I simply can't double the hours I'm already working on the chart. I've got a life.
had me confused for a second.
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Their thread doesn't have any numbers. I won't be using it.
You've got a link to the Ike board's thread.
we still think Ivy is advantaged us- making the PT matchup in our favor. (not neccesarily my opinion, but the Oli board's opinion. You guys have Ivy v Olimar neutral- ultimately making the PT matchup neutral.
You could make a thread about the Oli v PT numbers if you want.
Everyone- wow, I've got a lot to update = big and juicy.
Brinzy
Godfather of the Crimean Mafia
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=188314 That's the Pokemon Trainer match-up thread, so you can edit that in the first post, as it'll basically show what's on this chart with discussion mainly for that character.
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No, YOU get used to the wonders of the lower case L!
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Mmac
Smash Lord
Oh, and we concluded that Yoshi < Falco, but it's still debatable, and will probably change sometime... Exact Ratio 60:40
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
Hmm, either the Peach's don't agree with anyone, or you're missing info.
I will do some digging.
Falco and Peach disagree with each other.
Peach says 50-50
Falco says 60-40
Kirby and Peach also disagree.
Peach says 55-45
Kirby says 50-50.
Lucario and Peach agree - I think.
They both say neutral, but Peach says 50-50, Lucario says "gray."
Wolf and Peach agree.
They say 55-45; Wolf's favor.
I will do some digging.
Falco and Peach disagree with each other.
Peach says 50-50
Falco says 60-40
Kirby and Peach also disagree.
Peach says 55-45
Kirby says 50-50.
Lucario and Peach agree - I think.
They both say neutral, but Peach says 50-50, Lucario says "gray."
Wolf and Peach agree.
They say 55-45; Wolf's favor.
MK26
Smash Master
55-45 is considered neutral. Ergo, Kirbies and Peaches agree, even though they disagree.
Hoser
Smash Ace
Hey DanGR, you have Ike at a huge disadvantage to Ness, when the Ness boards are saying it's only 45:55 O.o
DANGER you could at least put squirtle advantage and charizard disadvantage. O: also, i think for the pt overall matchup, it should taken into consideration that the oli board's main reason for disadvantage zard is that oli can combo him. that isn't an issue if pt switches zard in at high percents, and that is what a good pt would do...since he makes a decent stock tank playing safely.