Castlevania Mafia - Game Over! Mafia and Traitor win!!!

[Swiss]

Well looks like we're getting a modkill then.

Stall, then lynch SOLID when he flips scum.

 

[Cello_Marl]

giraffelasergun is still in the queue, so that won't necessarily work.

Let's just lynch SOLID. If GLG refuses to replace in and Gheb can't find a replacement before Night ends, then scum might have to forgo their NK. That would be pretty convincing evidence that Xastrn/BSL slot is the final scum at any rate, and if scum wants to frame him by going no NK for someone we were going to lynch anyway, I'm fine with that.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Also, Night will be long because GLG or whoever BSL's replacement is will have to read the whole thread to determine the best NK since his partner is dead. So, GLG would have no excuse for not reading the thread during Night. That being said, actually, it's a better idea to wait until GLG confirms first to make sure he's reading. Let's do what Swiss said.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@giraffelasergun: If you replace in, we WILL lynch you toDay.

 

[Swiss]

GLG is a real player. Wow. Had him down as a troll non-entity.

 

[Swiss]

Incom what happened to that reply?

What's the best plan?

 

[Life]

The reply is taking awhile, I'm getting some clarifications for things that stuck out on me in my reread.

Best play is to get SOLID/B-Xas-Laser lynched and work based on their flips and the nightkills.

 

[Life]

EBWOP: going to get, not getting.

 

[Life]

Finished my reread in roughly 45-50mins (this post is taking a while to compose). I'm a fast reader--I'm not skimming tho--probably read MORE carefully than usual to see if I could pick up on anything that I missed.

And I did find one thing.

It's a little old, but...

X1, Incom is one of my scum reads though I can't decide if his answers to my D1 questions are just noobiness or plain scummy. IC, ya promised me an answer on who you'd lynch other than DH day 1, still waiting on that. (from ur post #215) These questions all mean something, just need an answer on this to make the best read on you that I can, will explain this soon.

Could you explain what you meant by the bold?

Also, now that I think about it: Swiss already noted this but I want to take a different tack on it.

Hmm the fact that you vote and don't like Swiss makes me feel better about you, unless its a bus attempt here seeing as how Swiss is taking a lot of heat right now. I think if Swiss ends up being the play and flips scum this is a serious bus attempt, but if Swiss flips town I'd feel like you were town going after scummy play. So I'll keep an eye on this. This is the thing I was hinting at before, as I saw Swiss try to take advantage of DH's noobness but not yours, so I feel like you two may have a connection there.

You basically said "If Swiss is lynched and flips scum Incom must be bussing him" but that "if Swiss flips town Incom must be town going after scummy play". You failed to take into account:

1. Swiss scum/Incom town: you know, that we could actually have caught a scum player. Roughly a third of us toDay are scum (again, from that post D1 everyone hates for no reason, I'm thinking three scum).

2. Swiss town/Incom scum: Swiss has managed to shrug off getting DH killed, Scum Incom could easily do the same. And, assuming three scum, that would put us in LyLo, at the cost of one of the three scum players so town has to get two correct lynches in a row to win.

So you said I was trying to kill a player of my own faction (which would cause a WIFOM play on my part, in turn making me look scummy either way).

This doesn't sit well with me because either way I'd look like scum (the town-town scenario could be turned into "you were on two wagons that lynched townies [DH didn't technically get lynched but it was nigh inevitable], there's a good chance we're in LyLo now and it's your fault you scum /vote"--that's what Swiss was getting at).

To be fair, I kind of understand why I look scummy to others (I'm the only one that technically knows my alignment other than scum). Kind of. Actually, could someone remind me for what reason the various "slight scum" reads keep coming again?

Nothing definite on you and we've bigger fish to fry (my line of questioning on Cello is not dead, but on hold). Just sayin'.

 

[Xivii]

Cello I like your first plan. If we lynch before someone replaces and there is no kill we know for certain that xas slot is scum. And like you said, if xas isn't scum and mafia holds their nk to frame him, it just gives us an extra lynch.

Although the mod could extend the night dedadline. But that basically just tells us the same thing.

 

[Cello_Marl]

EP, hammer SOLID.

X1, investigate EP if you haven't already investigated XaSLasergun.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Looks like no one wants to take anything in my last post into account.

Cello and Swiss are (probably) town along with Incom/X1.

 

[X1-12]

EP, hammer SOLID.

X1, investigate EP if you haven't already investigated XaSLasergun.

Want me to hammer?

also I'm not cop


DOC PROTECT CELLO

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

What are the chances of having a doc+bodyguard in the same game?

 

[Cello_Marl]

@X1: Yeah, go for it.

 

[X1-12]

@Solid, I think its quite likely..


Unvote
Vote: S.O.L.I.D.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Gheb: I'd recommend that you set toNight's deadline to 2 Days after you find a replacement for BSL, or until you decide to modkill him, whichever happens first.

 

[Cello_Marl]

I don't want to cheapen my win from a modkill or mod-confirmed information, in case anyone was wondering.

 

[Life]

I don't get what about lynching now stops a NK...

at any rate, nothing I can do about it, hope that was the right choice.

On the off-chance there's a vig, don't kill anybody toNight so we can see for sure if we get the Night off.

Above is all advice, not trying to dictate. [I highly doubt a vig exists (dunno if an 11-man game can support three kills a cycle) but ya never know.]

 

[BSL]

I'm assuming it's ok for me to post, since the mod hasn't mentioned replacing me yet.

before i get replaced, i did want to say one thing.

I, BSL, did not, and do not, like Swiss at all.

It was understandable that he may have thought saying role colors was ok. What isn't understandable, at least from my point of view, is why he didn't answer Zen(?) about his own role color, if he thought it was ok.

I agree with his realization of DH's towniness after DH was killed sounding canned. That is, his realization sounded canned (that sentence is hard to read).

And then there was this part.

Dark Horse have you read the rules? If yes, are we to expect you to skim repeatedly in this game? If no, why no consideration for the rules?

Vote Dark Horse

voting dark horse for skimming the rules? seems reasonable.

Incom - At the beginning of the day I did not try to get DH modkilled, that was pressure. I did not intend to get him modkilled the second time (we've used role colours before). When you play lots of games, you do tend to skim the rules more, looking only for the game specific bits.

wait, he skims rules too? what?




again, i'm really sorry for coming in here, holding up the game, then having to leave with only one post.

 

[BSL]

EBWOP: one real post. or two. if you count when i didnt like cello's post about town.

 

[Airgemini]

I already questioned Swiss about the whole PM color thing and he gave an explanation somewhere a few pages back.

 

[BSL]

ah, ok. well ignore that point then.

the other few suspicions still hold water, right?

 

[Xivii]

I don't want to cheapen my win from a modkill or mod-confirmed information, in case anyone was wondering.

That was kind of the point. Is it really that cheap? It's more like bad play by the players of the player slot confirmed info I think.

 

[Cello_Marl]

That exploit (assuming Gheb chose to use a 48 hour Night) is, by it's very nature, impossible to be due to bad play, because there is no player to play.

The player slot itself will be lynched one way or the other due to the scummy play of the players that has occupied it. However, we don't need the mod to tell us who scum is to win this game. At least, I don't think I do.

As for why I mentioned it at all, I just wanted to say something that would make the lynch happen. I was getting bored.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Hey Air, you said your vote for Solid was for the reasons celo posted. can u clarify which reason you thought was the most convincing to you for you to vote Solid? hopefully u can respond before Solids flip.

Finished my reread in roughly 45-50mins (this post is taking a while to compose). I'm a fast reader--I'm not skimming tho--probably read MORE carefully than usual to see if I could pick up on anything that I missed.

And I did find one thing.

It's a little old, but...



Could you explain what you meant by the bold?

My theory was that you and Swiss were scumbuddies, and I wanted to see if you'd jump on the Swiss wagon forming. If you jumped on the moment I asked you who else is the play I figured (and still think) you are scum jumping on the wagon to prevent yourself from looking bad from refusing to go on a scumbuddy's wagon. However if my read on Swiss was wrong and he was town, then I don't think scum would jump on that wagon as such an opportunistic time (its not safe/careful play), it's the same reason I don't think Xastrn was scum for his opportunistic jump on Swiss. This is why I see think you and swiss are both the same alignment and that I think that alignment is probably scum, and why I eliminated all those other possibilities you bring up.

Hmm the fact that you vote and don't like Swiss makes me feel better about you, unless its a bus attempt here seeing as how Swiss is taking a lot of heat right now. I think if Swiss ends up being the play and flips scum this is a serious bus attempt, but if Swiss flips town I'd feel like you were town going after scummy play. So I'll keep an eye on this. This is the thing I was hinting at before, as I saw Swiss try to take advantage of DH's noobness but not yours, so I feel like you two may have a connection there.

The bolded statement you are asking about is basically what I bolded above. Its my theory of a connection between you and Swiss based on your lack of pursuing anyone scummy besides joining the Swiss wagon on DH. It was also based on Swiss lack of pursuing your somewhat noob play versus DH's and thats why I asked Swiss about that very thing. Swiss somewhat alleviated my concern on that point in his later post though, but not enough to stop the fact that I still see a connection between you two. so I stand by these reads.

You basically said "If Swiss is lynched and flips scum Incom must be bussing him" but that "if Swiss flips town Incom must be town going after scummy play". You failed to take into account:

1. Swiss scum/Incom town: you know, that we could actually have caught a scum player. Roughly a third of us toDay are scum (again, from that post D1 everyone hates for no reason, I'm thinking three scum).

2. Swiss town/Incom scum: Swiss has managed to shrug off getting DH killed, Scum Incom could easily do the same. And, assuming three scum, that would put us in LyLo, at the cost of one of the three scum players so town has to get two correct lynches in a row to win.

So you said I was trying to kill a player of my own faction (which would cause a WIFOM play on my part, in turn making me look scummy either way).

This doesn't sit well with me because either way I'd look like scum (the town-town scenario could be turned into "you were on two wagons that lynched townies [DH didn't technically get lynched but it was nigh inevitable], there's a good chance we're in LyLo now and it's your fault you scum /vote"--that's what Swiss was getting at).

To be fair, I kind of understand why I look scummy to others (I'm the only one that technically knows my alignment other than scum). Kind of. Actually, could someone remind me for what reason the various "slight scum" reads keep coming again?

Nothing definite on you and we've bigger fish to fry (my line of questioning on Cello is not dead, but on hold). Just sayin'.

I didn't fail to take these into account, I made that post for the very purpose of saying that I eliminate these other possibilites in my mind, based on ur play. The possibilites of swiss town/incom scum and swiss scum incom town were IMO removed by two factors - a, that you jumped on dh wagon without making a case on anyone else and b, you suddenly jumped on a swiss wagon without making a case on anyone else. It was your lack of cases against anyone else that gives me the read that either ur both scum or ur both town, and I was hoping Swiss flip would reveal this.

However since then you have made other cases, so I dont think ur scum for play d1 and early d2 alone, its your recent play as well. Incom if you are wondering the main reasons why I get scumvibes from you, other than the numerous reasons I've already given in my posts, it's just that I don't see you pursuing anyone with any sense of commitment or confidence. I see u asking questions and taking issue with select statements from certain players, then moving on to someone else. It's very safe play, like u just vote with what's popular at the moment. In detail:

Post #421 you dont like that Swiss "knew you were town". Had ur vote on swiss at one point in time, and on top of that you find more behavior suspicious here, but you let new events sway your opinion very easily as you later switched your votes and never really pressured Swiss again.

Post #438 didn't like cello trying to out X1 as cop, pursues it a little and vote Cello in Post #452, but is so quickly convinced by cellos wagon in post #463. You basically joined the wagon of a player you just voted for, and joined the wagon after 2 people already joined it. You also joined that wagon despite favoring BSL as the play for the day (#471). A lot of this is very non committal to any decisions on your part.

post #479 took a stab at BSL for not re reading the thread, which was legit, he's had plenty of time to catch up, but you took it back as if to defend him by saying /terriblelogic. didn't see the point in that, it kind of takes away the pressure you would have otherwise put on him with ur original statement. more non commital play.

You asked why ppl found you scummy, this is why I find you scummy, and its been a constant read through the game. I think Solid's avoidance of ANY stances at all is a stronger scumtell though and would prefer him lynched toDay, but you wondered why players find you scummy, went back and highlighted the reasons why I do.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

To clarify 3rd to last pragraph above

When I say you joined the wagon of a player you just voted for, I mean that you joined the wagon started by the player you just voted for (Voted Cello, few posts later decided Cello was fine very easily, even so much that you decided to vote for the wagon that Cello just sterted) Just clarification for above post

 

[Xivii]

Cello if that's the case, we could have at least let solid make his post to get bus info from it.

I feel you were just being manipulative and I don't like it.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Day 2 Ends!

Day 2 - Final Votecount

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Swiss [2] - BSL, EdreesesPieces
BSL [2] - Swiss, BSL
SOLID [5] - Cello_Marl, Airgemini, Inferiority Complex, Zen, X1-12

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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SOLID (Jonathan Morris, Vanilla Townie) has been lynched!

Night 2 begins!
Send in all night actions until Thursday, 4th November
Dedline for night actions may be extended due to replacements.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

giraffelasergun replaces BSL.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Flavor coming later. My trash internet is acting silly with the current MLG updates.

Cello_Marl (The Ferryman, Independent Warlock) has been killed during the night!

Day 3 starts!
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

 

[Swiss]

Wow, thought he was scum.

GLG you'd better get postin'

Vote Giraffe

 

[X1-12]

What do people think of :

1.) Cello's speculation of my role now he's flipped

2.) Xastrn slot (now GLG)

 

[X1-12]

Whats a warlock

Swiss it may well be LYLO.. (3S vs 4T)

 

[Swiss]

2) Scum

10char

 

[Xivii]

Same swiss haha. Saves time.

7 - 4. How many scum are in this game again Swiss?

 

[Swiss]

No idea what a warlock is. But I know what an indie is.

Don't think this is LyLo.

 

[X1-12]

hope you got the signs there, but seriously what's a warlock? sounds villainous

 

[Xivii]

That was @ #512 btw.

 

[Swiss]

Idk how many scum are in this game. Never do mechanics stuff. Think it'd be harsh to put us in LyLo after 2 mislynches and one anti town NK.