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[Dart!]

running dtilt is great when they're dashdancing and then have their back turned, if shes facing you wavedash dtilt is better

 

[Niko45]

I made that point. Niko is just copying me.

copying you? what is this 2nd grade?

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

This topic got me thinking: Over the course of a match, does Marth tend to get cornered more often or end up cornering the opponent? If he keeps playing with this "wait for a mistake" attitude as so many posts I read allure too, it would seem he eventually gets driven to the edge of the stage and loses center spot.

I guess even at the ledge Marth doesn't care, he has a sword, but he seems a lot easier to bait without any room to maneuver. So, if you kept that mentality of waiting for a mistake, you might end up cornered against the edge of the stage.

 

[Niko45]

If you're really good at playing confidently while cornered you can take advantage cause obviously a grab or up tilt near the ledge is really rewarding.

But yea you're right you can't play super passively all the time at least in most matchups.

 

[Dr Peepee]

If someone is forcing into my space then I can hit them or control them better because I have the middle and more space to retreat into as needed. I make it a personal rule to never give up much of the middle with Marth unless I am positive the opponent will approach because Marth's range and mobility is most potent in the middle and least while cornered(hard to move when you can't really dash backward).

The nice thing about Fair is how disjointed it is, so if any character is coming into my space at all I can usually whack them sticking out a move or encroaching onto my space and be relatively okay.

 

[Bones0]

Sarcasm is truly the internet's kryptonite.

 

[.Chipmunk.]

Sometimes Marth does get cornered, but running through somebody to take center stage isn't used that often and it's actually pretty good sometimes. You can catch people off guard. I mean, we already walk/run past people and fsmash them. Why not do it to get center stage?

 

[Construct]

So about twenty pages ago we were talking about weak hit u-air, and I finally got a new controller and eagerly toyed around with it. I basically just ended up getting naired in the face by level 4 falcos while not really being able to pull anything off with it. What should I be doing off a weak-hit uair? 'cause everyone seemed really excited about it, and I feel so left out :-(

 

[Bones0]

Grab, fsmash, and up-B are my personal favs.

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

Sometimes Marth does get cornered, but running through somebody to take center stage isn't used that often and it's actually pretty good sometimes. You can catch people off guard. I mean, we already walk/run past people and fsmash them. Why not do it to get center stage?

Honestly dude...

This is terrible advice lol.

 

[Shroomed]

So about twenty pages ago we were talking about weak hit u-air, and I finally got a new controller and eagerly toyed around with it. I basically just ended up getting naired in the face by level 4 falcos while not really being able to pull anything off with it. What should I be doing off a weak-hit uair? 'cause everyone seemed really excited about it, and I feel so left out :-(

99% of the time vs fastfallers you should grab.

 

[.Chipmunk.]

Honestly dude...

This is terrible advice lol.

Shhhhhh...don't tell them that.

 

[AceDudeyeah]

You just answered your own question.

How much of an effect, I mean.
Not sure if I'm doing it right or if it's not supposed to be that noticeable at all.

 

[knightpraetor]

or you could learn to space your upair properly..i don't understand how you can get hit when you are weak up airing..they can either jump out or fall into the upair..if you're getting hit your timing is just off

weak hit upairs let you rack up damage without letting the fox/falco out...sometimes you're forced to regrab after an upair or you will lose control though...going for another upair when i should have grabbed is probably what causes me the most trouble...however, that's a reasonable temptation since the final weak hit upairs at high percent will combo into a fsmash into kill while grab will only get a nair or reverse fair to bair (i'm assuming my opponents DI like pros)...

both of which while good are not as good as the fsmash to finish.

 

[Dart!]

grab is key to all matchups for marth....whether it be to combo them to death (fastfallers) or to throw them in the air to get position for a kill move (floaties and sheik)

 

[Cactuar]

Lies. Upsmash is the key to all of Marth's matchups.

 

[Mew2King]

please dont listen to cactuar

 

[Beat!]

Man, I can't wait to test my new upsmash-oriented playstyle next tournament. Thanks, Cactuar!

 

[Construct]

Lies. Upsmash is the key to all of Marth's matchups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6iU6WiSaNc&t=3m21s

You need to quit playing that fake furry and go back to marth, yours was so sexy

 

[Bones0]

Cactuar went Marth vs. Javi game 1 and 2 at Apex.

 

[Divinokage]

Lies. Upsmash is the key to all of Marth's matchups.

It always feels amazing to rip someone's butt.

 

[Bones0]

That sounds really menacing with that avatar.

 

[Divinokage]

*Evil laugh*

 

[Teczer0]

Shinobu has a pretty cute laugh.

Not sure if I buy your evil laugh Kage.

 

[Divinokage]

It's open to however you see it, not my fault. =)

 

[Bones0]

The evil laugh was obviously Ganon.

 

[knightpraetor]

is uncharged shieldbreaker or nair better for knocking someone as far away horizontally and down as possible..ie what is optimal for hitting away high phantasms? i decided that vs fox i really wanted to take my edgeguarding off stage more, but the first stage to being able to do that is to actually get kills consistently off high phantasms...i was managing to hit fairs yesterday when i tested it but they typically got a 2nd chance to phantasm . only dropped one edgeguard on the high phantasm and it is easier to guard than allowing them to take up a high firefox position, but i feel like it is barely superior to go offstage if you're going to allow them a 2nd phantasm...need something stronger, so i thought i'd experiment with the other move options when i play on tuesday. i seem to remember shieldbreaker having a better trajectory, but isn't that move really weak? (uncharged, not curious about the other..no time for it.

 

[Bones0]

I wouldn't recommending venturing off stage to hit a high side-B. It's super risky and even if you hit them, like you said, they will usually be able to side-B onto the ledge or even the stage before you can fall low enough to do anything. If you're going to do anything, do a fair and combo it into up-B or dair. If they don't DI into either of those moves, just do your best to get back on stage and jab/dtilt depending on what height they go for the second side-B at. Neutral B is too slow on startup to be used as you jump out, and the cool down is so long that even if you hit them you're definitely not covering their second side-B. The only time Neutral B would be useful is if they are at a high % and you can somehow read their DJ into side-B or predict they will side-B as they fall. It does have a better angle for KOing than fair (especially a tipped fair), but it's only a reasonable option when they're at ~80% for Falco and ~100% for Fox.

Really though, Marth should stay grounded during spacies' recoveries. If they up-B, yeah, obviously jump out and destroy them. Otherwise, cover the ledge and your face with dtilt/jab/ftilt, and cover high side-Bs with a simple reactionary WD back fsmash or w/e will hit them back off the furthest. So at lower %s you may want to just turn around and grab them and dthrow immediately to get them back on the ledge. At higher %s, fsmash (or up-B if you have time to space it) is the most reliable. Be careful of players that like to ledge cancel their side-Bs because that can totally ruin an fsmash if you wait too long.

 

[odinNJ]

Uses of reverse fair besides looking flashy, GO!

 

[Bones0]

There's only one.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Reverse Fair is pretty cool to set up tipper Fsmash on FF'ers.

I don't think it has much of a use outside of comboing?

 

[Bones0]

Reverse fair ledge canceled on a side plat into bair ledge canceled on the edge into immediate dair spike.

Someone do it.

 

[odinNJ]

Reverse Fair is pretty cool to set up tipper Fsmash on FF'ers.

I don't think it has much of a use outside of comboing?

I was thinking that it could be used as a quick ledgedrop move, kinda like a mixup.
But it definately looks mega sexy.

 

[Bones0]

Oh, I actually do use it for ledge drop gimps. It's really good if you manage your invinc properly. Also make sure you get back to the ledge before they do. I've only really tried it in Marth dittos, but it'd probably be way more useful vs. other characters that can't up-B immediately and grab the ledge before you.

 

[odinNJ]

i think it would destroy falcon if you had invinca to dodge the bup grab.

 

[Bones0]

Just make sure you hit them with your up-B on the way back to the ledge (preferably the middle part that has basically no KB). Or DJ into bair to knock them further away. Depends on spacing, %, DI, etc.

 

[.Chipmunk.]

Reverse fair ledge canceled on a side plat into bair ledge canceled on the edge into immediate dair spike.

Someone do it.

I'll have to try this. I've already successfully pulled off the reverse bair to reverse fair to spike.

 

[knightpraetor]

can only beat ganon when camping...so lame

 

[Bones0]

You haven't watched enough Mango vs. Kage.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Reverse fair ledge canceled on a side plat into bair ledge canceled on the edge into immediate dair spike.

Someone do it.

I know this video has been seen already, but a wtf dash attack to the end was so good.