Max?
Smash Champion
Nah, Marth is still ***.
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Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
Does he fight in wars?
Dart!
Smash Master
I wouldn't call it wars he fought in. Plus he lead his "army" He's a commander/Lord
Bones0
Smash Legend
I was just joking because Mango literally did not land a single grab on Kage in that match.
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
Elyssa Xey Hexen
Broken!
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In fire emblem, there are classes for units. Warrior, lord, pegasus knight, mercanary, etc. So, his class is Lord, not warrior in the game. By textbook definition, he is a warrior.
Dart being tricky.
Dart being tricky.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Marth or not doesn't really matter, I meant 2nd foolish warrior to challenge me which is a real person. But no one else can be a warrior so no one will be able to do it. Hehe.. =P
.Chipmunk.
Smash Ace
A wise warrior makes no challenges, nor accepts challenges when other avenues are possible. Are you calling yourself foolish as well?
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Yup, it's not like I make the best decisions all the time.. I would be a saint if that were the case.
Bones0
Smash Legend
No, that would make you Mango.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
He makes the best decisions all the time? I don't see power emanating from him.
Dart!
Smash Master
Can't really say that him going to jail and missing tournaments is making the right decision all the time. Plus losing to hbox in Losers at apex...can't call that either.
Bones0
Smash Legend
You guys are obviously just jelly.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
mango went to jail? lol thug lyphe
Phoenix~Lament
Smash Ace
mango went to jail? O__o
Grape Ape
Smash Apprentice
He must have been ****** too hard.
(are **** jokes in bad taste?)
(are **** jokes in bad taste?)
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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Since you had to ask, yes.
Beat!
Smash Master
I remember that. He missed that Cali tourney (CGC 16, the one Shiz won) because of that haha.
Having some trouble edgeguarding sheik's up b after I'm over 100%
Under 100 ledgegrab -> roll onstage is quick enough to punish the up b, but the roll after 100 is too slow if you want to keep her off the ledge.
It feels like it might be better to let her have the edge and the try to predict the get up or dtilt the lag from her up b.
Wondering what you guys do
Under 100 ledgegrab -> roll onstage is quick enough to punish the up b, but the roll after 100 is too slow if you want to keep her off the ledge.
It feels like it might be better to let her have the edge and the try to predict the get up or dtilt the lag from her up b.
Wondering what you guys do
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
i see you watching this thread, hannah
hi, hannah
hi, hannah
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
on topic:
does anyone here know all the characters that f-throw -> pivot f-smash works on?
in fact, is it even guaranteed with perfect DI (down or down-away)? or does it just cover more DI options than f-throw WD f-smash?
does anyone here know all the characters that f-throw -> pivot f-smash works on?
in fact, is it even guaranteed with perfect DI (down or down-away)? or does it just cover more DI options than f-throw WD f-smash?
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Why not just... roll earlier?Having some trouble edgeguarding sheik's up b after I'm over 100%
Under 100 ledgegrab -> roll onstage is quick enough to punish the up b, but the roll after 100 is too slow if you want to keep her off the ledge.
It feels like it might be better to let her have the edge and the try to predict the get up or dtilt the lag from her up b.
Wondering what you guys do
It seemed like like whenever I tried that it was early enough that they could react and go for the edge. I don't know the frame data is on Marth's edgeroll past 100, but I guess I'm having trouble timing it so sheik can't react.
I don't have a ton of experience in the matchup so I might be stupid.
I don't have a ton of experience in the matchup so I might be stupid.
Fortress | Sveet
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Time your roll earlier, but so that it still covers the edge. Play Braid until you mastered timing
MT_
Smash Ace
@Boat Mode, it just takes some practice. Try doing a regular get-up onto the stage instead of a roll (it's faster) if you think that you're having to act earlier than you want to.
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http://store.steampowered.com/app/26800/
you can also download it illegally, but this is one of my favorite games of all times. Puzzle platformer where you manipulate the flow of time.
you can also download it illegally, but this is one of my favorite games of all times. Puzzle platformer where you manipulate the flow of time.
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It actually taught me a lot about timing and stuff.
ArcNatural
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I almost never roll vs Shiek unless they are being forced to upB straight up. I always use a combination of just getting up, get up attack, or ledgehop waveland. Timed properly get up will still block the edge from angled upbs and it's not as hard as it looks once you figure it out.It seemed like like whenever I tried that it was early enough that they could react and go for the edge. I don't know the frame data is on Marth's edgeroll past 100, but I guess I'm having trouble timing it so sheik can't react.
I don't have a ton of experience in the matchup so I might be stupid.
TheCrimsonBlur
Smash Master
I have a real tough time covering the airdodge/onstage poof mixup. When they airdodge, I typically go for a ledgehop reverse nair, but if they poof I get burned. Wavelanding on stage seems to slow too cover airdodge and you run the risk of getting burnt on your waveland or letting them grab the ledge. Rolling and getting up have similar problems. Even if I predict the poof and wait on the edge, they go to the middle of the stage and its really hard to do a full punish.. 
What do you guys do?
What do you guys do?
I hit the poof with a move so that the damage clanks. Or normal get up. Those are the only two options.
I do the same **** with Fox. Sheik going up onto the stage with poof? Ledgejump nair to kick the poof, land and **** them in the face.
I do the same **** with Fox. Sheik going up onto the stage with poof? Ledgejump nair to kick the poof, land and **** them in the face.
TheCrimsonBlur
Smash Master
Hm, which move do you usually use to clank? fair? Interesting idea
Normal get up is kinda cool but airdodge kinda ***** it. If they airdodge low enough, its super hard to time without doing it so early that they can just grab the ledge.
Normal get up is kinda cool but airdodge kinda ***** it. If they airdodge low enough, its super hard to time without doing it so early that they can just grab the ledge.
Niko45
Smash Master
Rolling vs ledgestand is VERY dependent on where she is poofing from.
If she is poofing right on top of you so that if you do nothing you will get hit, then you should ledge stand as it will cover ledge if she tries to go for it.
If she is poofing further back where you won't get hit by it then you should roll because the extra distance away from the ledge will allow her to take edge if you try to time a ledgestand for punishing on stage. Roll occupies ledge for longer and deals with this.
I only ever go for a wavedash on stage fsmash if she has been pushed way out and is just completely desperate to get back, but even then I still find that to be a greedy unnecessary option.
If she is poofing right on top of you so that if you do nothing you will get hit, then you should ledge stand as it will cover ledge if she tries to go for it.
If she is poofing further back where you won't get hit by it then you should roll because the extra distance away from the ledge will allow her to take edge if you try to time a ledgestand for punishing on stage. Roll occupies ledge for longer and deals with this.
I only ever go for a wavedash on stage fsmash if she has been pushed way out and is just completely desperate to get back, but even then I still find that to be a greedy unnecessary option.
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
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Niko45
Smash Master
It doesn't workon anyone if they Di down and away. Basically its a good tool for making sure you get a tipper on imperfect DI.
MT_
Smash Ace
Yeah f-throw pivot fsmash never seemed to work any better than wavedash fsmash in the times I tried it. Doesn't work on proper DI like Niko said. I think the only way to follow up on proper DI off the fthrow is dash attack but I'm not even sure if that is guaranteed...
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
Bones0
Smash Legend
Are you talking about DDing backwards into a pivot for when they DI really hard in, or dashing forward into a pivot for when they are just barely out of range of a regular fthrow fsmash? Neither seems particularly reliable.
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
so something i found out that's really fantastic against falco's recovery (forward B, at least)
is to just crouch
and then tap A to d-tilt if he aims his forward B low
or quarter (or 1/8th) circle forward and tap A if you want to forward tilt (when he aims his forward B at your face)
so you don't have to really anticipate his forward B height (or react quickly to it) and so you greatly reduce the risk of accidentally doing a dash attack, f-smash, walking towards the ledge, etc.
if he does up B, this may still work anyway LOL
is to just crouch
and then tap A to d-tilt if he aims his forward B low
or quarter (or 1/8th) circle forward and tap A if you want to forward tilt (when he aims his forward B at your face)
so you don't have to really anticipate his forward B height (or react quickly to it) and so you greatly reduce the risk of accidentally doing a dash attack, f-smash, walking towards the ledge, etc.
if he does up B, this may still work anyway LOL