Yes he edited his bombs, they're in common3.pac
And Sage please move the beta discussion to the other thread
And Sage please move the beta discussion to the other thread
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Brawlplusery Official Codeset 5.0 RC1 Discussion
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SymphonicSage12
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Sorry I didn't notice the new thread, Bio.
*salutes*
*salutes*
No problem =O
NC-Echo
Smash Lord
Please fix G&W, he is ridiculous. I just took part in a tournament where a ganondorf main after getting wrecked in singles and doubles went to play G&W for the first time ever and because of that character and his b-air, came in first and second in singles and then doubles. B-air on shield actually leads straight into jab combo which pushes the opponent out of shield grab range and since the move has that little hit in between there is no time to punish. The character takes little to no skill yet can dominate a great deal of matches with just that single move. Oh and it also leads into, if connected with, another b-air, a f-smash or a f-air depending on when the move is canceled.
SymphonicSage12
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That tourney you went to must have sucked.
Seriously, he is far from broken. Either you're a cheap *** or the opponents you fought SUCKED.
We aren't "fixing" him just because one person whines about it.
He ain't even close to RC1 ness's state.
Seriously, he is far from broken. Either you're a cheap *** or the opponents you fought SUCKED.
We aren't "fixing" him just because one person whines about it.
He ain't even close to RC1 ness's state.
NC-Echo
Smash Lord
Your right good comeback, just tell me I suck. I can assure you sir this is not the case. Try playing as him once or twice and try doing the things I just told you about and tell me hes not insane. If you can do that I am afraid my response may be as close minded as yours... you probably just suck.
NC-Echo
Smash Lord
Well obviously I disagree. If he is spacing correctly vs. most character he shouldn't even be hit so its irrelevant that he is combo'd easily and dies early.
and if the better character is spacing correctly as well, it doesnt matter, worse character loses.
If a better character is better, on equal level, it will show. he will win in the end where it matters.
tierology 101, son. get educated.
If a better character is better, on equal level, it will show. he will win in the end where it matters.
tierology 101, son. get educated.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
How are G&W and his bair any more difficult to fight than he was in previous versions, or vBrawl for that matter?
I'm not against removing the ground hitbox from his bair though. It's always seemed pretty silly to me. It's sole purpose is to make it impossible to punish.
I still doubt G&W is broken but admittedly I haven't played a good one other than Slikvik, and that was several months ago.
I'm not against removing the ground hitbox from his bair though. It's always seemed pretty silly to me. It's sole purpose is to make it impossible to punish.
I still doubt G&W is broken but admittedly I haven't played a good one other than Slikvik, and that was several months ago.
G&W is an interesting case. Top tier characters like MK, Marth and Diddy have an answer to everything G&W can possibly do. They basically have everything needed to stop G&W in his tracks.
Then when you look below G&W on the tier list he destroys basically the entire lower portion of the cast.
He is basically an obscure character in the CP system. He is lacking something essential to compete with a lot of the top tiers but the other side of the spectrum lacks what it takes to beat him. A character of extremes.
There's the option of reworking him to fit in the For system like a normal character but I would pray that doesn't happen. His place in the game is unique but still balanced overall.
Then when you look below G&W on the tier list he destroys basically the entire lower portion of the cast.
He is basically an obscure character in the CP system. He is lacking something essential to compete with a lot of the top tiers but the other side of the spectrum lacks what it takes to beat him. A character of extremes.
There's the option of reworking him to fit in the For system like a normal character but I would pray that doesn't happen. His place in the game is unique but still balanced overall.
you'd be removing the butter from his bread and butter if you remove the ground hitbox from bair imo.
The guy only has like 2 abuseable move, and only one of them is multipurpose, that being bair.
The guy only has like 2 abuseable move, and only one of them is multipurpose, that being bair.
Adm. Melonhead
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Brawl+ is good and all, but did it really have to replace half my textures?
SymphonicSage12
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um...it doesn't replace half your textures...
just don't use the premade sd package.
just don't use the premade sd package.
Alphatron
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No it doesn't and it shouldn't. Unless you were using item textures and a title screen texture, or effect textures for Fox and Falco.
If you were, use brawlbox for optimum visual service. It's how I still use Pit's black arrows.
cobaltblue
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How about sonic changes for the next release that aren't completely from left field? We in the sonic+ thread have been brainstorming some ideas and trying to get a general list of what he needs to gain a better position before B+ goes gold. I myself haven't posted on this thread about sonic's status as I thought this was thread wasn't for whining/begging for character changes.
However since that seems to be false (lol Zelda/Lucario too nerfed). I again ask if some WBR members can take a look at the sonic+ thread before going "lol sonic is fine" or giving half hearted changes he doesn't need.
However since that seems to be false (lol Zelda/Lucario too nerfed). I again ask if some WBR members can take a look at the sonic+ thread before going "lol sonic is fine" or giving half hearted changes he doesn't need.
lord karn
Smash Master
Wait, I don't know how me 3-0ing you in winner's finals with Ganon is me getting wrecked. You wrecked my Ganon in one individual match with CF in grand and then I switched to G&W. Also, I played G&W at the last tournament in teams, and I picked him up in friendlies a long time ago. This was definitely not my first time playing as him.
I do think that he is kinda OP in teams, but I'm not convinced at all that he is broken in singles. When you went Olimar, it seems like your reverse grab beat several of my options and you could force me to approach, so it seems like you can definitely do stuff in that match-up to beat me. I mean, maybe G&W still wins the matchup, but it didn't seem unbeatable to me. I dunno about Falcon, but G&Ws moves seem punishable to me by most characters if you know the spacing.
CloneHat
Smash Champion
How 'bout you SDI the bair? I know it's big and powerful and all, but even my CPUs can SDI up and punish me.
IC3R
Smash Lord
Occasionally, yes, CPUs will DI.
jalued
Smash Lord
so lucario now cant recover from below...but we all know he's still high tier, i mean he has some insane combos on all the cast.
oh and this no autosweetspot horizontally has distroyed MK's side B recovery option :D
would be ok for a speedup of his extreme speed if needed, just to say
oh and this no autosweetspot horizontally has distroyed MK's side B recovery option :D
would be ok for a speedup of his extreme speed if needed, just to say
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TLMSheikant
Smash Master
I dont think mk needs more nerfs ppl. Stop complaining. He felt very skillful when I played him ugh. And I liked him a lot when i played RC1. Please no more nerfs just learn to play against him. COmplain about ness or squirtle not mk. And G@W is definetely not OP'd lololol. Bair is so easy to SDI its not even funny.
and that's all he needs rofl
pretty sure these are probably the last nerfs that need to happen to mk anyway
get rid of minor problems but is basically the second coat
usually no one needs third coats
unless u screwed up somewhere
but obv 3rd isnt the charm this time
pretty sure these are probably the last nerfs that need to happen to mk anyway
get rid of minor problems but is basically the second coat
usually no one needs third coats
unless u screwed up somewhere
but obv 3rd isnt the charm this time
mad uninteresting imo.
limiting moves like that. side b nerf wasnt needed as well. SDIable. unsafe on shield, can be unsafe on hit too. has hard landing lag tact'd on. any platform ats with this move is situational. only was good on heavies.
move was only average. why nerf it?
and i'm pretty sure this isnt the last time MK gets hit lol.
limiting moves like that. side b nerf wasnt needed as well. SDIable. unsafe on shield, can be unsafe on hit too. has hard landing lag tact'd on. any platform ats with this move is situational. only was good on heavies.
move was only average. why nerf it?
and i'm pretty sure this isnt the last time MK gets hit lol.
MK26
Smash Master
why dont you just tap down on the control stick to make it autosweetspot...
JCaesar
Smash Hero
It got nerfed because it was a completely unstoppable recovery move. But now it can't autosweetspot, so that nerf might prove unnecessary.
what does that have to do with my post?
@JC, Side B wasnt even the greatest recovery move anyways. trying to nerf its recovery ability wont really do much against MK.
he still has multiple jumps, a glide, and 4 recovery moves, one of which turns into a glide. it's like trying to wizz into an ocean of piss.
MK26
Smash Master
nothing at all
i thought you could still autosweetspot with it if yuo tapped down on the control stick
and everyones like bawww no autosweetspot
and i want to know if you can still tap down
mulberry tree
i thought you could still autosweetspot with it if yuo tapped down on the control stick
and everyones like bawww no autosweetspot
and i want to know if you can still tap down
mulberry tree
JCaesar
Smash Hero
Are you kidding me? The number of moves that could realistically hit MK out of his side-B (in RC1) when he was recovering could be counted on one hand. Even without it he still has an excellent recovery, I'll give you that, but at least his other options have a chance of being edgeguarded. It was silly how safe side-B was.
I actually don't know if you can still sweetspot with it by tapping down. I haven't tried myself.
The same could be said about his other recovery moves too you know. All of his recovery moves have chances of being edgeguarded against. Anyone with a decent disjointed move can beat GIGA DRILL BREAKA. You've seen its hitboxes havnt you? There are 3 of them. One on top, on in front, and one below. It has openings in the corners of the moves, and is completely open in back.
And side b is unsafe on shield. 100%. The move is a multihit move and each hit affords little shield stun, so by being smart and holding shield until the very end of the move, you get to punish MK no prob. And if you get hit, you have huge opportunity to SDI out before the final hit and possibly punish on hit as well. The move is not that safe.
probably because it was nerfed harder than dsmash.
because it needed to be nerfed.
because it was a gdlk move before nerfing and for a while after nerfing which called for more nerfs.
side b was never in that category. never will be. hence why nerf it when it was an above average move at best that couldnt be spammed, is easily punished on shield and can be on hit, SDIable because of the extra ton of hitlag and because it moves it a single direction, and lasts for ever. it's ko potential isnt even notable unless you use it off stage.
it was never a go to move for MK. even in B+.
because it needed to be nerfed.
because it was a gdlk move before nerfing and for a while after nerfing which called for more nerfs.
side b was never in that category. never will be. hence why nerf it when it was an above average move at best that couldnt be spammed, is easily punished on shield and can be on hit, SDIable because of the extra ton of hitlag and because it moves it a single direction, and lasts for ever. it's ko potential isnt even notable unless you use it off stage.
it was never a go to move for MK. even in B+.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
The move is 100% safe as a recovery move, that's all I'm talking about. It's a "Get Out of Edgeguard Free" card.
It's usage onstage is crap. That doesn't matter though when it's one of the safest recovery moves in the game.
We should remove the endlag nerf but keep the size nerf. That improves it's usage onstage but keeps it from being a "Get Out of Edgeguard Free" card.
Edit: Wait, did side-B ever have an endlag nerf? I'm confusing myself...
We should just make sure it's safe on hit. That's all it needs.
It's usage onstage is crap. That doesn't matter though when it's one of the safest recovery moves in the game.
Exactly. They're good, but balanced. Except side-B.
That's crap.
We should remove the endlag nerf but keep the size nerf. That improves it's usage onstage but keeps it from being a "Get Out of Edgeguard Free" card.
Edit: Wait, did side-B ever have an endlag nerf? I'm confusing myself...
We should just make sure it's safe on hit. That's all it needs.
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